5 Star Shine Paint Protection Explained

[PalmerWMD]

A professional car washing and detailing magazine <would> have that stance.besides there is no claim here, teflon is attching to the paint directly.

teflon is <in> the product and teh product is what attches.

You have clearly not read the explaination as this exact point was addressed there.

This is completly differnt from Slick50 and such.

Your post if anything has convinced me to buy it for sure sinceit made me read the explanation again.

I will post my results in a few weeks when I ahve time.

Fred..

PS: Chad can I do this in winter outdoors?

[rydwhite]

Fred, you have to tell us how it goes. I am seriously thinking about forking out the dough for it.

[DAEDALUS]

I stumbled across this from another site and decided to post a little info about Teflon and PTFE:

Professional Carwashing & Detailing magazine, January, 1989, page 110.

"Dupont several years ago released a press statement about their trade mark product Teflon. In a nutshell, they said the Teflon added nothing to waxes or polishes as Teflon can and will onlybond to metal while heated to very high temps. Basically what they were doing was giving a disclaimer for all of the polished and waxes hitting the market making claim after claim about howsuperior their product was just because it was supposed to contain Teflon. This came out about the time the debacle about PTFE resins and the Slick 50 product that also turned out to be a big farce."

http://www.autoeducation.com/carcare/protect.htm :

There are also highly advertised Teflon based products on the market. It is my understanding that it requires a 600 plus degree environment to bond Teflon to your paint. So, unless you are applying it with a flamethrower, you may not be getting all you paid for.

Magret please see Chad's post above that addresses this issue. Apparently 5-Star has a patented process for ensuring the PTFE will adhere to the vehicle. I have not tried it and I am looking forward to other members' results. I am certain chemical engineers can accomplish a lot in 14 years.

[chadster]

Fred you type much faster than I do.

Welcome to the boards Magret. I have a sneaking suspision that you are a detailer? Maybe not.....that's ok.

As Fred stated, who understands the chemistry of what our product is, we aren't claiming that Teflon alone attaches to the paint. The solution with polarity that it is suspended is what keeps it in place and then the curing process takes over from there.

You obviously didn't read our patent. There is a section in the patent that discusses the very issue that you are talking about (teflon needing high temperature to bond) and how our product remedies that. Read the section that talks about the "background of the invention". It references a previous patent that uses the teflon heat bonding process. Check it out. I certainly wouldn't be spending the time here to answer you if I didn't believe in our product and have seen it work......

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi...81171

Fred, To be more specific, after getting more info, and editing my previous answer. You can apply it outdoors in the colder months. I don't think people are going to be putting it on their car outside when it is frozen. Mainly, it will take a bit longer to 'cure' as in general things take longer to dry/cure in colder weather. This isn't a process that you 'see'. It's not like you are waiting for something to dry if it's wet. The curing is an on-going natural process that continues after application. The main thing is for people to follow the directions carefully, especially the part about having the paint really clean (clay bar if need be), and it will work as said.

I wish I could say that you can put in on outside in the freezing cold but physics and my integrity keep me from doing so. As I said before most people would put it on in their garage in any weather which is no problem. Just follow the directions....... Here in CA I don't really have that problem.......-Chad

[magret]

I am certain chemical engineers can accomplish a lot in 14 years.

If you read the patent it was files in 1989 so it's not 14yrs of chemical engineering.

Fred you type much faster than I do.

You obviously didn't read our patent. -Chad

You are right I did not thourghly read the patent, but I have now.

First off it's a patent....it doesn't mean it has to work!! It means:"It gives the patent holder the exclusive right (monopoly) to make, use, or sell the patented invention for a period of twenty years from the date of application. If another party makes, uses, or sells the patented invention within the United States, the patent holder may take the 'infringer' to court and seek damages."

Second, since PTFE will not bond to any surface without high temp. it sounds like the only way for this to work is to have the PTFE suspended in the polymer resin. If that's the case the polymer resin basically encapsulates the teflon to prevent it from being washed away, etc. then in turn rendering it useless. It sounds like any polymer sealant like Klasse, Zaino, Blackfire, etc. nothing revolutionary for sure.

Please correct me if I have a wrong interpretation of the "patent" This is just like any infomercial you see on the TV claiming to revolutionize the (you fill in the blank) industry.

[Cujo31]

Does anyone truly read all that? Holy cow. I was trying to read it, but all the stuff being tossed at ya its no wonder most people dont care what is really in it as long as it works LOL.

From parts that I have read it looks like the applicator ( Me ) has to produce enough heat to still get this to bond? If that is true then wouldnt it be safe to say that you really have to work your arms to get the paint to heat up? It also mentioned the applicator being skilled? How skilled? A Pro detailer skilled?

Correct me if I am wrong ... the patent is more of an aid to make the Teflon bond rather than tweaking the Teflon itself? Kind of like Zainos ZFX so to speak?

Cujo

[PalmerWMD]

I think we will just try it.

Fred..

[chadster]

Hey Cujo, the part that you are referring to is in the 'Background of the invention" part. This has been in a previous post but I'll splain it again...

NOTE: Don't be confused, in the paragraph "BACKGROUND OF THE INVENTION" it describes a DIFFERENT PATENT INVENTION (4,284,668 ). 5 Star remedies and eliminates the "buffing" which can damage paint that the other patent needs in order to achieve effect. 5 Star Shine contains NO ABRASIVES.

-Chad

[szh]

I think we will just try it.

Fred..

That does seem to be the best approach to quiet the concerns!

FWIW, I have not tried 5 Star Shine, so I cannot comment on it. But the Zaino - which is apparently similar - that I have tried is wonderful! My shiny 1995 Q45 is living proof of that. At this point, since I have enough Zaino to do my wife's Acura soon, I am not about to buy 5 Star Shine to compare. But, Chad, if you want to contribute a kit for me to do a thorough side-by-side, objective, comparison, I will gladly do so!

(As a complete aside, I have to admit that I am somewhat turned off by the "Late Night TV Commercial" approach of the 5 Star web site - including the video clips with the British voice reminescent of some of those 30 minute infomercials - but if the product indeed works well, then <shrug>!)

Z

[chadster]

Hi, Z,I agree, the site is something that needs to be worked on..... I am getting that together.....

I think that there are some who have bought it already that are going to give it a whirl and report back. I'll think about it though......

-Chad

[lessthanjakejohn]

The pics don't work, but they say its good stuff...

http://forums.thevboard.com/viewtopic.php?t=15985

[lessthanjakejohn]

this link has pics

http://forums.thevboard.com/vi...shine

[lessthanjakejohn]

still more http://forums.thevboard.com/viewtopic.php?t=17545

[lessthanjakejohn]

[AZhitman]

It sounds like any polymer sealant like Klasse, Zaino, Blackfire, etc. nothing revolutionary for sure.

This is just like any infomercial you see on the TV claiming to revolutionize the (you fill in the blank) industry.

If you find something, ANYTHING, that works better, let me know. The first bottle will be on my dime.

Folks, who gives a rat's arse HOW it works? Half of us don't know how variable valve timing works either - But does that stop us?

Here's the point I THOUGHT I made abundantly clear in my prior post: I tried this technology side-by-side with the best stuff on the "over-the-counter" market. Zymol, Mother's, 3M, and Meguiars. The resin products FAR outperformed them all.

Anybody wanna buy some half-empty bottles of PepBoys wax/polish crap?

[szh]

It definitely sounds like this product is worth it! I am completely willing to support NICO sponsors too, but, unfortunately, I will not be needing any till I need to redo my cars many (hopefully) months from now. The pictures from those other links seem to clear enough to make a purchase of 5 Star Shine seem worthwhile!

Z

[Cujo31]

I can get the same look with my Poorboys products thats on that yellow car Might not have the durability, but I can amaze anyone with almost any product. Key ... is the prep Wax, sealant, blah blah blah wont look that great if the paint is not prepped. If Im correct even 5 Star says something about prepping to a certain degree.

Chad ... thanks for going back over that for me... LOL might have helped if I read it a little better. I will say that 5 Star does sound pretty good. People seem to like it and have great results with it.

I need to post more ... Im tired of driving Moms car LOL

Cujo

[chadster]

Cujo, yeah, you're right, any wax/polish product says that a car should be prepped beforehand....(I think that clay is the best way to prep) Sounds like you are a great detailer.

After cleaning/prepping etc, Shine, durability, and ease of maintenance are factors to think about when deciding what product to use . To me, from what I've seen 5 Star provides all 3.

Chadhttp://www.5 starshine.comget a $20 discount by using 'vipdiscounts' in the customer code box at checkout.

[rydwhite]

So, wash, clay bar, then 5 star is what your saying?

[chadster]

Exactly. Ryan, you can email my personal account and I'll give you any more info or help/directions...-Chad

[szh]

So, wash, clay bar, then 5 star is what your saying?

From what I can tell from reading how it works (and, yes, I went through the patent thoroughly), that is the correct way.

5 Star Shine does not clean the car - it protects it. So, a thorough and complete wash and then a clay bar treatment, is a basic requirement to get the car ready prior to any coating process.

Z

[magret]

One final question for you, this is regarding the yellow car above, if 5 star shine has Teflon in it and nothing will stick to it then tell me how this guy attached the vinyl pinstriping ( Edit by admin cuz shows "rival" forum:D) without removing the 5 star shine??

quote from KCSpec on how to install the pinstriping:Not hard to put on, you wet the car and then you wet the sticker and slide it into place, squeegee out the water, let it dry and remove the white paper covering and your done.

If 5 star shine really does what it claims it does wouldn't the pinstriping just fall off????

Sorry, here is the image

[PalmerWMD]

Magret:All posts you have ever made on this forum are to disparage this product.

You will have to post on some other subjects psotive fashion manner if you wish posting on this subject.Otherwise you will just appear as simply a competitor.

Fred..

[PalmerWMD]

PS: No hard feelings?

Fred..

[AZhitman]

I thnik she's having a hard time understanding the concept of adhesive.

Magret, find a teflon-coated pan in your kitchen and stick a bumper sticker to it, then come back and tell us your results.

p.s. It'll stick quite nicely.

[magret]

Magret:All posts you have ever made on this forum are to disparage this product.

You will have to post on some other subjects psotive fashion manner if you wish posting on this subject.Otherwise you will just appear as simply a competitor.

Fred..

PS: No hard feelings?

Sorry about that but like I said in a previous post I stumbled across this site post from a different site. Am I a competitor..no, I'm not selling you anything. I've seen products like this before and have wasted my own money on them because I was never shown the otherside of the story.

Quote »PS: No hard feelings?[/quote] Non taken

I thnik she's having a hard time understanding the concept of adhesive.

Magret, find a teflon-coated pan in your kitchen and stick a bumper sticker to it, then come back and tell us your results.

p.s. It'll stick quite nicely.

I think you are having a hard time understanding the concept of Teflon. You are right it does stick, but can be easily removed with a little soap and water:D

This will be my last post on this subject, so if you do order 5 star shine I hope it's all that you want it to be.

[AZhitman]

You asked how the vinyl graphics would stick, I answered you. Didn't mean to sound snottified...

I'll put my 9-year-old paint with a polymer/teflon product up against ANY similar age car using the over-the-counter stuff ANYDAY.

Actually, I'd even add new domestic cars to that bet... Sad, sad shine on those.

[AZhitman]

Our sponsors don't like it either - You can certainly understand why, right John?

Hey Fred - Why are you still hanging out on "that" site?

[lessthanjakejohn]

Hows your knee Greg, I remember you tore something? I better ask now before I forget.

[chadster]

Interesting debate. I can understand that people like magret are skeptical. But then again there still is a flat earth society. Some will never be convinced and try to lead others down the same road of mediocrity and stubbornness.

Chadhttp://www.5 starshine.comget a $20 discount by using 'vipdiscounts' in the customer code box at checkout.