240sx vs integra/prelude

[masticatingcow]

Sorry.

Why are you sorry?

If "sorry" is your form of asserting that you're right, then okay, but you have no reason to be "sorry."

[bobert486]

Quote »Again, I agree with bobert here, and again, with one exception... I think that "You get what you pay for... if you don't pay, you won't get it simply" is a better way of looking at it[/quote] haha thats what i ment to type, i was in a hurry.

[240SXer]

That's not particularly true. I could buy a 30k Audi TT and run high 15s all day. I can get a EVO and run low 14s/high 13s all day. I can get a 240 for 4k and run 16s all day. But I can put 10k worth of mods into the 240 and run 11s all day. And still only having spent 14k. But I see your point. Depending on what you want to do. EVO isnt a super good deal, but i'm comparing a new car to a 5-14 year old car. Not really fair. I don't have that love for brand new cars that some do. So I guess that's my bias.

[Nismo_Freak]

Ahh... where to start.

ALSO what is the point of putting a sr engine in your car if your going to loose .4 of a liter and about 1500 bucks. Just turbocharge the ka and deal with having a US spec motor. JDM is not gods gift to man.

Why do people put B18's in Integras when they can put H23's in them?

Simply stated, there are benefits to either arguement and obviously you do not yet understand either of them. Just as the same as I don't understand everything about Honda's.

I read a few post back about FWD not being abole to take ZO6s and vipers think again. I have seen a Civic smoke a Viper. I was shocked as hell when I saw that but it happend.

You mean Cheesefrog's black EK turbo hatch racing the modded Viper (one where he had the handbrake on?) I've ridden in Carey's (sp... can never spell his name) hatch and that thing is definately quick. Anyone who says X car can't beat X car on a baseless arguement is generally pretty ignorant.

You are able to correct the loss of control in FWD car. In understear fust unwind the stearing wheel and you will get traction again. In overstear it the same as RWD just counterstear. If you can stop fast enough well I don't know what to do then but crash.LOL

Depends solely on the situation and car setup. FWD cars that have beam rear suspension (like B14's and Paseo's) can be prone more towards oversteer situations given the situation. Once a FWD car begins to oversteer it generally is alot harder to control the skid than a RWD car... simply because a FWD oversteer situation is a result of the rear tires breaking traction, not as a result of the driver being heavy footed.

FWD race cars dont melt there front tire because they are set up to sue the optimum heat to get the optimum traction. If you take air out of your tire they will get hotter. If you add air to your tire is will be cooler. Im saing that if your runnig them at the track. So for example if a tire has its best traction at 200 degrees You can achive that temerature in both FWD and RWD cars. Both car will most likely have 2 different tire preasure to achive that degree of heat.

You have a poor understanding of tire pressure's effect. If you have more air in the tire than optimum you will heat up the center portion of the tire because it is destorted, the same way an underinflated tire heats up on the shoulders.

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Tire Tread Deformation as a Result of Pressure 

**Note**Alignment settings as well as bump changes will effect the temperature of a tire as well. Ex. neg. camber will heat up the inner portion of the tire. 

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Properly Inflated (optimum) - heat transfered evenly over the surface of the tire.  

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Under Inflated - heat builds up on the shoulders of the tire. 

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Over Inflated - heat builds up in the center of the tire

FWD cars will ALWAYS exert more frictional force on the front tires. That is a downfall of the FWD car because it is asking it's front tires to do everything.

As a result the RWD car can adjust it's front suspension to do nothing but provide braking and cornering force. It does not have to provide acceleration force ability as well.

FWD car are really great in road racing aplications because drifting is not the fastest way around a track.

RWD cars don't just automatically drift around the track and FWD cars aren't "really great" in road racing. They are good in their own regulated FWD racing series. Don't get me wrong, they are good race cars but they still have no advantage over an equally setup RWD car.

[Nismo_Freak]

This thread is getting really off-hand with alot of ill-thoughtout posts being made... clean it up if you want it to remain.