240SXer you are a real ricer. About the FWD tires thing you are way off. You sound like an un educated little boy that plays with hotwheel and swears they are real car and act like real cars. By the way the civic was on DOT tires. You cant say that the civic had performance tires on thats why it beat the Viper because If you never seen viper tire before (which you probably never had) you would notice that hey are sports tires too. You are an idiot if you think an AWD car will not rip you a new butt hole in the fist 6 feet of a drag race. Don't think you know how to drive a car till you go on road course. It is not dificult to mash down a gas pedal going in a strait line. I understand people being a little biased about there car but your just sounding stupid. Turn off the Grand tourismo and start driving a real car if you really have one and then try to argue with me about legit stuff. You should get banned to a mustang forum for all the stupid stuff you just said. NiCO is a great forum but when people like you get in it and start typing stuff all you do is ruin it.
Please read my other post again because I swear it was clear enough to understand. If you want me to write a book about it you will have to wait a really long time because Im not planning on writing it anytime soon.
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240sx vs integra/prelude
Who in there right mind would build a used engine to 600HP without rebuilding it first besides 240SXer? Do you even know what kind of abuse the SR20 had to go through in Japan? NO. That is why you rebuil it so you are sure your engine won't die on you. But you probably can even do and il change since you sound so dumb. Do you even have a real car? how old are you 12? What does burnouts have to do with what I posted about tire pressure. I was talking about road racing. For you information RWD car heat up there tires just like FWD cars. It is called friction and friction turns to heat. Why do you think Nascars and cart cars warm up there tire at the beginig of a race? By the way what does Nascar and Cart ahave to do with this discussion? who in ther right mind would have a Rear engine FWD setup. It just more weight. If you were smart you would know that a FWD car can take an oval course jut as well as RWD car. They would car as much also. If you think you cant regain control of a FWD car how in the world would you be able to do it in a RWD car? The front whel are always the one that stear the car so if you say if he front wheel loose control in a FWD car you cant steer It will be the same thing in a RWD car. Only in a RWD car you can speed up into a barrier where a FWD car you will only be able to slow down. Learn your stuff before you argue on this forum RICER.
HA HA that must be you the guy in the yellow shirt in your avtar. You don't know wat your doing.
Thanks bobert for actually bringing good stuff to this site.
HA HA that must be you the guy in the yellow shirt in your avtar. You don't know wat your doing.
Thanks bobert for actually bringing good stuff to this site.
Teg boy, go take your Mark III Supra to another forum. As soon as you build it to the point where you can beat 240SXer down the 1320, come back here with some timeslips. You don't even have the cash to modify whatever you buy, so everything you say is just hot air out of your backside.
And before you get all heated about how your Supra is going to be so super fast, go check out the Street Stories on FreshAlloy. A KA-T guy there just hung with a ~400hp MkIV Supra up to 150mph.
To the guy with his F-body argument, ya, ya... blahdee blah blah. 240SXer made some good points about originality and all that. I'm not dumb enough to argue which of the two is a better drag car. Those WS1 Firebirds are pretty freakin fast. For what they cost, they better be.
I'm willing to bet that for the sticker price of a new "super dragable" F-body, you could build a turbo KA that can at least keep up, if not beat it.
If you're looking for a "race car" on a budget, the 240SX is pretty hard to beat. Notice that I didn't say it's unbeatable.
With regards to what people are going to think of the "import scene" in 25 years, I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that it will considered as lame and outdated as every other scene that is built up. The disco scene, the break dancing scene, the rave scene... blah, blah, blah.
I wonder if 25 years from now, if the 240SX will have the same sort of cult like following as the Datsun 510 does. Where people will look at it as a great Nissan, that shared performance parts with its bigger brothers, and became a popular tuner car.
And before you get all heated about how your Supra is going to be so super fast, go check out the Street Stories on FreshAlloy. A KA-T guy there just hung with a ~400hp MkIV Supra up to 150mph.
To the guy with his F-body argument, ya, ya... blahdee blah blah. 240SXer made some good points about originality and all that. I'm not dumb enough to argue which of the two is a better drag car. Those WS1 Firebirds are pretty freakin fast. For what they cost, they better be.
I'm willing to bet that for the sticker price of a new "super dragable" F-body, you could build a turbo KA that can at least keep up, if not beat it.
If you're looking for a "race car" on a budget, the 240SX is pretty hard to beat. Notice that I didn't say it's unbeatable.
With regards to what people are going to think of the "import scene" in 25 years, I'm going to go out on a limb and predict that it will considered as lame and outdated as every other scene that is built up. The disco scene, the break dancing scene, the rave scene... blah, blah, blah.
I wonder if 25 years from now, if the 240SX will have the same sort of cult like following as the Datsun 510 does. Where people will look at it as a great Nissan, that shared performance parts with its bigger brothers, and became a popular tuner car.
Humm… The tires has everything to do with it, did you not read any of my posts, the disadvantage of FWD in drag is TRACTION. Hence, one of the main factors of traction being TIRES. Get it? It’s not really that hard. No duh the Viper has Performance tires, it’s a viper. But if the Civic is on slicks it’s not too much of a “street” race, is it? Why don’t you come up with something concrete, I told you I ran low 1.9 60fts. What do you think a WRX does in the 60ft? Let’s look on Dragtimes.com…
Here are some examples for ya:
[email protected] 1.970 [email protected] 2.024 [email protected] 1.939 [email protected] 1.885
Okay, my best run was a 13.5@105 with a 1.94 60ft. Seems pretty much the same to me, how about you? Do you see a huge difference?
I don’t think you know how to drive a car till you do a lot of drag racing, how about that one? How about I don’t’ think you know how to drive a car till you drive with only your feet? See how stupid you are? If one does not meet your stupid little criteria they don’t know how to drive.. Right.. You’re the pinnacle of the world. I don’t have a car? Right.. I’m dumb? Okay.. How come you can’t come up with a real argument, let’s see some figures, facts… All you can do is talk crap. You don’t seem to really know anything about cars or racing.
Didn’t I mention the Cost of building my KA? You really are incompetent, you just read what you want to read and form stupid little opinions. It’s odd that several people here in the states have SRs producing 600hp on the stock bottom end. Yes, I’ve got a real car. And no, I’m not 12; I’m 22. Obviously I thought your tire pressure statement had to do with drag racing, so therefore your childish little comments about that I’ll just let go. Nascar and Cart cars are all RWD, and only CART is rear/mid engine, sorry. Nascar is FRONT engine, REAR drive. What actual racecar is FWD? I can’t think of one. Any real fast drag car, track car, etc is ALL RWD. Explain that one. Humm.. It’s odd that you’ve only mad 35 posts and you come in here acting like Mr. bad just talking a bunch of crap with no real argument. You’ve in no way came up with anything factual against what I’ve said. The only “figure” you’ve came up with is a supposed story were a “civic beat a viper”…
<<HA HA that must be you the guy in the yellow shirt in your avtar. You don't know wat your doing.>>>
Right.. More childishness out of a guy who says I’m 12.
Here are some examples for ya:
[email protected] 1.970 [email protected] 2.024 [email protected] 1.939 [email protected] 1.885
Okay, my best run was a 13.5@105 with a 1.94 60ft. Seems pretty much the same to me, how about you? Do you see a huge difference?
I don’t think you know how to drive a car till you do a lot of drag racing, how about that one? How about I don’t’ think you know how to drive a car till you drive with only your feet? See how stupid you are? If one does not meet your stupid little criteria they don’t know how to drive.. Right.. You’re the pinnacle of the world. I don’t have a car? Right.. I’m dumb? Okay.. How come you can’t come up with a real argument, let’s see some figures, facts… All you can do is talk crap. You don’t seem to really know anything about cars or racing.
Didn’t I mention the Cost of building my KA? You really are incompetent, you just read what you want to read and form stupid little opinions. It’s odd that several people here in the states have SRs producing 600hp on the stock bottom end. Yes, I’ve got a real car. And no, I’m not 12; I’m 22. Obviously I thought your tire pressure statement had to do with drag racing, so therefore your childish little comments about that I’ll just let go. Nascar and Cart cars are all RWD, and only CART is rear/mid engine, sorry. Nascar is FRONT engine, REAR drive. What actual racecar is FWD? I can’t think of one. Any real fast drag car, track car, etc is ALL RWD. Explain that one. Humm.. It’s odd that you’ve only mad 35 posts and you come in here acting like Mr. bad just talking a bunch of crap with no real argument. You’ve in no way came up with anything factual against what I’ve said. The only “figure” you’ve came up with is a supposed story were a “civic beat a viper”…
<<HA HA that must be you the guy in the yellow shirt in your avtar. You don't know wat your doing.>>>
Right.. More childishness out of a guy who says I’m 12.
Quote »Because everyone and their mom who is a drag racer has an LS1 powered Fbody. That's lame; [/quote] oh yea? isnt it become every ricer and their moms are now jumping on the 240 bandwagon. not too exclusive anymore.Quote »These domestic boys need to be smoked by some imports. [/quote] There people go again, the battle between import VS domestics actin like the ricers got something to prove. who cares. if you love cars, you love cars, period. oh yes, why dont you go ahead and call domestic owners renecks and hicks too while you're at it.Quote »The US 240sx was expensive and didn’t offer anything to the average consumer. It's a tuner car, not a good out-of-the-box performance car (especially in drag) like a Camaro. [/quote] well, the 240 was somewhat pricy, the prelude was more(depending on options but im saying similarly equiped) camaro expensive? well........maybe slighty more, but it was named #1 best bang for the buck in the either car/driver or motor trend issue in 1995 against 15 other cars.
the 240sx may or may not have a cult because of the explosion of drifting and its popularity. many ricers are ruining it for the few.
i hate to say this cause i love import cars(and american too), but it seems like the more you put into an import, the less seriously people take you. anyone else notice that? thats why my 240 and prelude look very stockerish on the outside. haha well......inside too i suppose haha
the 240sx may or may not have a cult because of the explosion of drifting and its popularity. many ricers are ruining it for the few.
i hate to say this cause i love import cars(and american too), but it seems like the more you put into an import, the less seriously people take you. anyone else notice that? thats why my 240 and prelude look very stockerish on the outside. haha well......inside too i suppose haha
240SXer you are still on a whole different page. So why is nissans flagship car AWD? looks like they just wanted it to be slower? And when did I say anything about me making my supra fast. Damb I am not talking about drag racing. i could care less about drag racing.
About loosing control of a car that hardly happens in drag racing. Ask any real drag racer how many of them have rod racing experience then come back and tell me.
The civic did not have slicks that is the point im tring to make. I know he probably spent 20grand making that civic that fast but that is not the point. I get your point on RWD have better launch then FWD im not arguing about that. If you look at my post I actually back that up. What I am simply stating is that FWD cars do not melt there tires in a race if they are properly adjusted (Pressure). It is the same concept used in RWD cars. Why do you see them alway checking the tire temperatures in a race? it is because they want to have the best temperature to traction ratio.If you want you can try that out. Check your tire pressure and drive around till you tires warm up and then check the temp. Then raise or lower your tire presure and then drive around the same course the same way you did it and you sill see that you will get a different reading.
If you are still arguing with me about you sr20 is faster than a stock wrx well it might be. Im not saing its not faster than a stock wrx. I see your runnig 13s that pretty good. Im just stating that if both cars were identical the AWD car would be faster due to the fact that it can take off at a higher RPM then the rwd car.
I have 35 post what does that have to do with anything? That just means Im new to this forum not to cars. You can have a F1 tech sign on this forum and have 1 post It doesnt mean hes not knowlegable in cars.
I know the nascar is FR I was talking about the cart car at the time.
Im not saing that drag racing is easy It is pretty difficult when you start having more power all Im saing is that raod racing is harder since you have to go around corners. for example take an inexperienced driver and put him on a drag strip and see how many time he hits the wall. Now take the same driver with the same car and put him on a road course and see how many time he will go off course.
And what does my supra have to do with anything? I never said I could take every 240 out there in my supra in fact I think alot of them can beat me. If you want to know the supra is a better car then the 240. Toyota is one of the best car manufaturer plus the car comes whith an inline 6 engine. If you know baut car you would know that the supra is actually the car with the most potencial that came out of japan. The Skyline is the second. and Im not talking about my mkIII im talking about the mkIV turbo.
If you want to see a FWD race car look at touring cars. They have the RSX, Integra R, sentra SE-R, Mazdaspeed trotege, Civic si and the Tiburon. I belive all of those are FWD cars. look up spoonsprts website the race FWD cars. With the exeption of the s2000.
About loosing control of a car that hardly happens in drag racing. Ask any real drag racer how many of them have rod racing experience then come back and tell me.
The civic did not have slicks that is the point im tring to make. I know he probably spent 20grand making that civic that fast but that is not the point. I get your point on RWD have better launch then FWD im not arguing about that. If you look at my post I actually back that up. What I am simply stating is that FWD cars do not melt there tires in a race if they are properly adjusted (Pressure). It is the same concept used in RWD cars. Why do you see them alway checking the tire temperatures in a race? it is because they want to have the best temperature to traction ratio.If you want you can try that out. Check your tire pressure and drive around till you tires warm up and then check the temp. Then raise or lower your tire presure and then drive around the same course the same way you did it and you sill see that you will get a different reading.
If you are still arguing with me about you sr20 is faster than a stock wrx well it might be. Im not saing its not faster than a stock wrx. I see your runnig 13s that pretty good. Im just stating that if both cars were identical the AWD car would be faster due to the fact that it can take off at a higher RPM then the rwd car.
I have 35 post what does that have to do with anything? That just means Im new to this forum not to cars. You can have a F1 tech sign on this forum and have 1 post It doesnt mean hes not knowlegable in cars.
I know the nascar is FR I was talking about the cart car at the time.
Im not saing that drag racing is easy It is pretty difficult when you start having more power all Im saing is that raod racing is harder since you have to go around corners. for example take an inexperienced driver and put him on a drag strip and see how many time he hits the wall. Now take the same driver with the same car and put him on a road course and see how many time he will go off course.
And what does my supra have to do with anything? I never said I could take every 240 out there in my supra in fact I think alot of them can beat me. If you want to know the supra is a better car then the 240. Toyota is one of the best car manufaturer plus the car comes whith an inline 6 engine. If you know baut car you would know that the supra is actually the car with the most potencial that came out of japan. The Skyline is the second. and Im not talking about my mkIII im talking about the mkIV turbo.
If you want to see a FWD race car look at touring cars. They have the RSX, Integra R, sentra SE-R, Mazdaspeed trotege, Civic si and the Tiburon. I belive all of those are FWD cars. look up spoonsprts website the race FWD cars. With the exeption of the s2000.
bobert they will take you serios if the car dont look riced out. I will take serious anyone that has a turbo under the hood because you never know what else come with it. Civic and integra are harder to take serious since there are so many ricers that own them. That is why Im not doing any body work on my car untill it pushes at least 300hp.
I never said AWD wasnt better, I just said it's not as good as you're trying to make it sound like.
No doubt my car is much faster than a stock WRX, that's not what I was saying. I was showing my 60ft times compared to a WRX running similar 1/4 mile 60ft times. They were pretty similar.
I mentioned 35 posts because you're coming here and telling me to go away and stop posting, i've been here MUCH longer than you so I dont' see where you have room saying that.
Know what car is better than a supra? Corvette z06, Mclaren F1, Lamborghini Diablo, Ferrari enzo, etc. I can go on forever. Oh, they cost much more? Oh yeah, so does the supra, not only for the car but also for parts. Sorry.
I don't really see what the tire temp vs. pressure thing has to do with the price of tea in China.
Drag racing isnt hard? Maybe you've never drag raced in a car that's actually putting down some power. It's hard to launch the car and hard to control the car. Put a average driver behind the wheel of a drag car and he probably wont' crash, but the times will be slow. I could go around any race cource in my Lincoln Towncar with no problem. Does that mean i'm a good driver? I might be going slow as hell, but i'd make it without hitting anythign. Your point is?
No doubt my car is much faster than a stock WRX, that's not what I was saying. I was showing my 60ft times compared to a WRX running similar 1/4 mile 60ft times. They were pretty similar.
I mentioned 35 posts because you're coming here and telling me to go away and stop posting, i've been here MUCH longer than you so I dont' see where you have room saying that.
Know what car is better than a supra? Corvette z06, Mclaren F1, Lamborghini Diablo, Ferrari enzo, etc. I can go on forever. Oh, they cost much more? Oh yeah, so does the supra, not only for the car but also for parts. Sorry.
I don't really see what the tire temp vs. pressure thing has to do with the price of tea in China.
Drag racing isnt hard? Maybe you've never drag raced in a car that's actually putting down some power. It's hard to launch the car and hard to control the car. Put a average driver behind the wheel of a drag car and he probably wont' crash, but the times will be slow. I could go around any race cource in my Lincoln Towncar with no problem. Does that mean i'm a good driver? I might be going slow as hell, but i'd make it without hitting anythign. Your point is?
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masticatingcow
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Man, there is a lot of hate going around in this forum. Here's my $.02:
tegls1 - You may be right about that Civic. If it was able to smoke a Viper, then good for the driver. But my inclination is that the Viper driver sucked, missed a gear, blah blah blah... there are plenty of reasons a Civic could win BESIDES being a faster car. You might think that luck has nothing to do with racing, but then I would argue that luck has it's fingers in everything, INCLUDING exceptions to the rule. 240SXer has plenty of reasons not to believe that it was due entirely to performance upgrades... as should you.
I would agree that FF has it's merits. But the long-standing tradition in performance cars has been RWD layouts. Only recently, thanks to crazy-cool technology, has AWD been a realistic option for performance. I would like to see FWD follow that pattern, but for the time being... well, you know.
Also, you throw down on 240SXer for dissing AWD's performance, citing that Nissan's flagship is AWD. Well, in case you don't know... the legendary R34 and the Godzilla RB26DETT aren't in production anymore. Haven't been for a while. Not much of a production flagship if is it's not in production, right? So what would be the flagship? If you want to assume that it's still the Skyline in Japan, then you're looking at a RWD G35 with the VQ35DE.
240SXer - Chill out buddy. We all know what you're getting at. No need for you to get upset. You've provided a lot of good information, and while you make a lot of good points, I have to agree with bobert on A LOT of it...
The 240 isn't an exclusive car, and it's owners are becoming, by and in large, more and more ricer. I agree, it's a bummer, and yes, a few are ruining the experience for a lot of owners. But come on guys, let's get the sticks out of our butts and quit complaining. Look at what the trendy ricer scene did for the Civic... that was a pissant car to begin with, but because there was such a demand for parts, companies have answered! Rather than complain about the situation, let's just be glad for what these "ricer-JDM-tyte-dori-dori-dorifto-bandwagoners" may do for the car. Think about it...
bobert - I like what you said about loving cars. I love my 240sx, but I love my neighbor's Millenium Yellow Z06. And my uncle's BMW 330i. And my roommate's RX-7. And, and, well, you get the picture. Cars are cool, really cool. And I think that those of us who get all caught up in the image of it all (ricers and anti-ricers, domestic owners hating imports, import owners hating domestics, etc.) have REALLY lost sight of that. I mean, from the first car we got to the next one we want, we should all enjoy the ride. It's better than walking, anyway. LOL
Oh and tegls1, don't diss Hotwheels and Matchbox. LOL, I still have my collection from grade school. I pull 'em out every now and then to remind myself as to why I've spent so much cash on my car. It all makes sense, you know? Ha ha ha.
Anyway guys, I just wanted to toss that in. I think we're all intelligent people around here and have something worth hearing to say. Keep it real, and like bobert said, "if you love cars, you love cars. Period."
tegls1 - You may be right about that Civic. If it was able to smoke a Viper, then good for the driver. But my inclination is that the Viper driver sucked, missed a gear, blah blah blah... there are plenty of reasons a Civic could win BESIDES being a faster car. You might think that luck has nothing to do with racing, but then I would argue that luck has it's fingers in everything, INCLUDING exceptions to the rule. 240SXer has plenty of reasons not to believe that it was due entirely to performance upgrades... as should you.
I would agree that FF has it's merits. But the long-standing tradition in performance cars has been RWD layouts. Only recently, thanks to crazy-cool technology, has AWD been a realistic option for performance. I would like to see FWD follow that pattern, but for the time being... well, you know.
Also, you throw down on 240SXer for dissing AWD's performance, citing that Nissan's flagship is AWD. Well, in case you don't know... the legendary R34 and the Godzilla RB26DETT aren't in production anymore. Haven't been for a while. Not much of a production flagship if is it's not in production, right? So what would be the flagship? If you want to assume that it's still the Skyline in Japan, then you're looking at a RWD G35 with the VQ35DE.
240SXer - Chill out buddy. We all know what you're getting at. No need for you to get upset. You've provided a lot of good information, and while you make a lot of good points, I have to agree with bobert on A LOT of it...
The 240 isn't an exclusive car, and it's owners are becoming, by and in large, more and more ricer. I agree, it's a bummer, and yes, a few are ruining the experience for a lot of owners. But come on guys, let's get the sticks out of our butts and quit complaining. Look at what the trendy ricer scene did for the Civic... that was a pissant car to begin with, but because there was such a demand for parts, companies have answered! Rather than complain about the situation, let's just be glad for what these "ricer-JDM-tyte-dori-dori-dorifto-bandwagoners" may do for the car. Think about it...
bobert - I like what you said about loving cars. I love my 240sx, but I love my neighbor's Millenium Yellow Z06. And my uncle's BMW 330i. And my roommate's RX-7. And, and, well, you get the picture. Cars are cool, really cool. And I think that those of us who get all caught up in the image of it all (ricers and anti-ricers, domestic owners hating imports, import owners hating domestics, etc.) have REALLY lost sight of that. I mean, from the first car we got to the next one we want, we should all enjoy the ride. It's better than walking, anyway. LOL
Oh and tegls1, don't diss Hotwheels and Matchbox. LOL, I still have my collection from grade school. I pull 'em out every now and then to remind myself as to why I've spent so much cash on my car. It all makes sense, you know? Ha ha ha.
Anyway guys, I just wanted to toss that in. I think we're all intelligent people around here and have something worth hearing to say. Keep it real, and like bobert said, "if you love cars, you love cars. Period."
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tar0icy_w/tapioca
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I praise 4 wheel steering prelude, because understeering is dramatically reduce, and it have plenty of power240sx KA for a nice sport car SR for a power house (but to compete with evos u need to pretty much upgrade everything )integras is what it is, a gas saver, but there are a lot of extremely fast ones out theresquatting makes ur rear flare out creating camper, camper=less traction......meaning u going to need to spend $ on the stiff suspension set up u can find (but r u going to drive around the town on that??)FWD have problem, but less of the problem easier to correct that's y u see those real dragger with the anti-wheely bar in the back of there carBTW i've never seen an import RWD car do a wheely (it would be cool)
tar0icy_w/tapioca wrote:SR for a power house (but to compete with evos u need to pretty much upgrade everything )integras is what it is, a gas saver, but there are a lot of extremely fast ones out theresquatting makes ur rear flare out creating camper, camper=less traction......meaning u going to need to spend $ on the stiff suspension set up u can find (but r u going to drive around the town on that??)FWD have problem, but less of the problem easier to correct that's y u see those real dragger with the anti-wheely bar in the back of there carBTW i've never seen an import RWD car do a wheely (it would be cool)
Humm.. Have to upgrade pretty much everything to compete with an EVO? Are you serious? The EVO has 271hp/273tq@3263lb. Average SR powered car with just a boost controller and FMIC (basically stock SR), Has (fly) 250hp/250tq@2600-2800lb. Do you honestly think a car with 20hp less power and 500lb less weight isn’t going to be faster? Needless to say I've smoked a many EVOs.
"Squatting" I where the rear of the car lurches down when you launch/accelerate. Squatting is good because there is more weight over your rear tires. Stock 240s have the tires slightly angled inward (positive camber?) The tires to not flare out to any reasonable extent.
FWD has more of a problem. The 'anti-wheelie' bar you say is more of a 'anti-squat' bar. Think about it, if I FWD car did a wheelie the front (drive) tires would be in the air. FWD can't do a wheelie. The RWD folks don't usually have them because till you get into the 7 or below (usually) you don't need one. But with FWD, you need a 'anti-squat' at just 10s.
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Kaioshin1982
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um... about that civic winning a viper, i think i know which video it was from. Actually, the civic didnt win but they were pretty much neck to neck and they both shut down. The owner of the civic is pretty popular I think and alot of people knows him by Cheese Frog, plus on that race, he had his ebrake on slightly coz when they were going at it, the rear brake was lighting up. Anyways, plz stop this hating... why do people hate so much on each other, lets all just buy a roller blade and get along.
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Kaioshin1982
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What would have happend if they didnt go from a roll? I have that video. It was actually pretty funny. The viper driver said it was quick then he said something like "that boy is quick, for me to get him i'd have get him from down low." then his friend said "he can't go from down low, he's front wheel drive, he'd spin his *** off" No doubt the Civic was on the viper no problem. Give it any drag race and the Civic would have gotten rocked. The civic was also a sleeper, he has stock exhaust and a 3in manual opening dump pipe that comes off the header which he opens when he's gonna do a race like that. That Civic is sweet and quick. Yes, i'm sure he'd smoke a Stock viper in the 1/4 mile (that viper wasnt stock), but Cheesefrog's Civic was running like 30psi on a build block and a 75 shot of nitrous. It put out like 520whp.
http://www.house-of-power.com/
The Viper runs 10.7@133 off the bottle 9.6@150+ on the bottle
Obviously wasnt on the bottle racing the civic, but no doubt that's a fast Civic.
The Viper runs 10.7@133 off the bottle 9.6@150+ on the bottle
Obviously wasnt on the bottle racing the civic, but no doubt that's a fast Civic.
240SXer wrote:Humm.. Have to upgrade pretty much everything to compete with an EVO? Are you serious? The EVO has 271hp/273tq@3263lb. Average SR powered car with just a boost controller and FMIC (basically stock SR), Has (fly) 250hp/250tq@2600-2800lb. Do you honestly think a car with 20hp less power and 500lb less weight isn’t going to be faster? Needless to say I've smoked a many EVOs.
Now you're getting a bit detached from reality. A basically stock SR still has an SMIC and is running about 8psi. An Evo will eat that, I know, that's what my setup is. Even with an FMIC and 12-14psi, you need to be a good driver to beat a STOCK Evo.
With bolt ons, an Evo will eat 95% of most SR swaps out there.
HOw much power do you think 12-14psi SR with FMIC will produce? How much does it weigh? How much power does the EVO have? How much does it weigh? It's all about power to weight.
I've beaten a few EVOs out here, they all take me off the line (before I got my nittos) but by the middle of 2nd i'm pulling, and by the middle of 3rd they're seeing my taillights. Why not a SR w/boltons vs. EVO w/boltons, instead of EVO w/boltons vs stock SR. Some of you need to get out ther and RACE!!!! Jeez
I've beaten a few EVOs out here, they all take me off the line (before I got my nittos) but by the middle of 2nd i'm pulling, and by the middle of 3rd they're seeing my taillights. Why not a SR w/boltons vs. EVO w/boltons, instead of EVO w/boltons vs stock SR. Some of you need to get out ther and RACE!!!! Jeez
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S13Cruiser
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Kaioshin1982
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gounc14 wrote:Just to clarify, I don't think you can take 240sxer's statement as most sr powered cars have that much power, most sr swapped cars should have that much power. Big difference.
If you want to throw those types of valiables into it it's impossible to argue anything. Engine produces X amount of power, with supporting mods typically produces X amount of power. That's it. You can't say anything else, it could be more, could be less, but I think 250 to the fly is a good idea of what a SR w/exhaust fmic and boost controller will produce.
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Again, I agree with bobert here, and again, with one exception... I think that "You get what you pay for... if you don't pay, you won't get it simply" is a better way of looking at it.bobert486 wrote:you get what u pay for, dont pay, ya wont get it simple.
Let's say you actually have 30K sitting around... you can:
Spend 30K and score yourself an EvoVIII. You get a monster car with a long tradition of excellence, not to mention what could probably be the highest-performing all around Japanese import available right now. (Yes, this last statement will generate an argument... that's fine.) But you've just spent thirty-thousand-dollars!
OR
Spend 4-5K and score yourself a nice S14. (Less if you are smart and get the S13... LOL, Sorry... I'm biased. I love that chassis.) You get a nice all-around car. Good for college students with studio apartments and tuition fees. Anyway... spend 5K and swap the SR in. Spend about 3K more on upgrades and whatnot. Now you have a solid performer that may or may not match the Evo, but you still have 17K to change that. (It may be cheaper/more expensive... depends on personal choices... like KA builds and RB or CA swaps.)
It just comes down to personal preference. Some people like to know that they have an entire performance machine under warranty. Others like knowing that they earned every HP they have at the wheels. It's all good.
BTW.. those Evo's are FAST.