240sx vs integra/prelude

[masticatingcow]

The only reason I'm pissed is because...well look, the 240 is a great car, outta all the cars I've driven and owned it is my favorite. I came to this board a long time ago to learn some good info and meet some other enthusiast. I mean, the car was "rare" back then if there is such a thing. I didn't even know nissan made a 240 untill about a week before I got my first one. It just pisses me off that everyone is stuck talking crap about every other car out there. I mean that's why I came here, to get honest no bull, no partisan opinions and advice. I'm pissed because I see that slowly fading away. I'm pissed because this board is starting to sound like every other honda and mustang board I've ever been to, that's why I'm pissed.

I hear you loud and clear. How about being one of those who honestly bought the car because it was a two-year-long love affair, not a fad, to you? And then coming on the boards and being grouped in with the "dori-dori-dorifto!" crowd (no disrespect to those who've drifting longer than the fad's been around...) for buying a 240sx?

I also agree that it's irritating when when you have to separate owner's "pride" aka BS, from factual information. Being a relative newbie myself (to these boards and, in many ways, my car) I've sometimes looked like an jack*** in the "real" world quoting some people's "information." Lesson learned: Check it out for yourself.

I don't hold it against NICO members when they flex a little Nissan pride every now and then. God knows we're all dealing with it from the winged Honda crowd and the occasional Mustang... bobert, theS14project, everyone... let's all be cool with each other's differences...

I mean, I'm tired of "go SR" being the one and only answer to the KA's admitted limitations. And I'm also tired of people saying the KA-T is an easier, more powerful way to get the same power. But I respect these opinions for what they are: opinions. And everybody's got 'em.

I agree with Nismo_Freak, though I would argue we've all learned something in this thread, and therefore, it is useful.

[240SXer]

I can hold my own with the 5.0s.

I mentioned that I realize the 240 is a less than ideal drag car, but I was just saying any FWD car is worse. My argument was fwd vs. rwd. I don't have anything against GSRs. But that does not mean we can say inacurate stuff like a GSR has some awsome race engine or that is would just walk away from a stock 240. That just isnt true. I'd much rather have a Corvette z06 than my 240sx. I still love my 240, but I don't have unlrealistic ideas about it in my opinion. I'd make the same argument of any RWD car comparing it against FWD. All I do is drag race and cannot look past that. I've lost to hondas before and i'll admit it, that's not the issue here. I raced a Turbo Civic 4door from a roll and he walked away from me (I was at 12psi) I then raced him from a light and by the middle of 2nd gear he was walking away from me again.

[cys19]

Whatever I say is newbie talk. But anyway, I've heard that if you enlarged your pistons (??) and modified some other stuff, you could get your sr20det to go over 400hp. I've also heard that the sr20det doesn't have a limit as of now.

[masticatingcow]

Whatever I say is newbie talk. But anyway, I've heard that if you enlarged your pistons (??) and modified some other stuff, you could get your sr20det to go over 400hp. I've also heard that the sr20det doesn't have a limit as of now.

Recently, I was involved in a similar discussion. Turns out, a well-tuned SR20DET can hold 400+ rwhp on the stock engine (mechanically, of course... peripheral things like the fuel pump, injectors, etc. should be upgraded) As far as not having a limit... perhaps not, but I can almost promise you that if you want a 1000rwhp car, you need to get a MkIV Supra or a R34... not an SR-powered 240sx.

The KA needs more TLC to produce high numbers like that, but the argument (as complicated as it is) is that the KA24DE(T) would be a faster engine and car because of the increased displacement.

There are TONS of threads "discussing" these ideas. I say "discussing" because most of them turn into "My SR can kill your KA" and "Nah uh! My KA-T will walk away from your SR, beotch!" Check 'em out, but like we've learned in this thread, don't assume everything you read is true right off the bat.

[cys19]

Even my piano tuner has a 1995 240sx.

[tar0icy_w/tapioca]

integra gs-r vs. 240sx vs. prelude all three are premiere sports car for three different manufacturer i know acura and honda is the same but still gs-r is a sport motor based on an engine that was made with fuel economy in mind, they are fast because of the v-tech so power will be felt after ~3000rpm, meaning it dont feel very sporty, but if u want to go fast then there is a huge support as far as after market (always a +), so good base car with potential and good tray slyding tool.

240sx is a sport car that has a heart transplant, the KA is a truck motor, for that reason it will eat up gas more, but 25mpg is posible, also for that reason it feels more like a sport car, the whole power band is lower down the rpm gauge, with a RWD drivetrain u can offcourse drift, if u have the money for a SR20DET, then it can compete with any and all 4 banger, for the KA there is little after market support (though growing), great potential with SR but prepare to cough up the money for parts, not to mention the time to hunt it down

prelude, out of the three i've grown to like it the most, the 92-96 prelude anyway, this is a true sport car, with a high displacement engine backed by honda's v-tech, h-22/h-23 have plenty of power and after market support, also with the rare 4-wheel steering model, ur handling will be world class, but to truely get its full potential, lots of money will be needed

final verdict: GS-R easy pick up and go car, have potential for greater power 240sx cheap, sporty car, have potential but only for the serious minded Prelude easy pick up and go, and greatest potential for one with lots of $$$

[tar0icy_w/tapioca]

for the people argueing about drag, RWD's only upper hand was a good lsd, but lsd are being develope for lots of FWD cars, FWD cars will ones again be on top, y the "squat" , that pretty much take any power u putting to the ground away, the only RWD cars that i've seen NOT do this was car that have been set up for drag racing (meaning the suspension was locked tight, or those big professional dragsters, which have a space as wide as ur shoulder between 2 huge wheels), with a FWD, there is little if any "squatting" then look at it in term of basic physics, is it easier to pull a weight or is it easier to push the same weight in a environment with friction??? and then for those that make the arguement of different factorsnone of those matter since they all can be control some how, it is the basic behavior of the car that u can't change, u can spend lots of money to modify it, correct it, but it will always be there

[Nismo_Freak]

integra gs-r vs. 240sx vs. prelude all three are premiere sports car for three different manufacturer i know acura and honda is the same but still gs-r is a sport motor based on an engine that was made with fuel economy in mind, they are fast because of the v-tech so power will be felt after ~3000rpm, meaning it dont feel very sporty, but if u want to go fast then there is a huge support as far as after market (always a +), so good base car with potential and good tray slyding tool.

240sx is a sport car that has a heart transplant, the KA is a truck motor, for that reason it will eat up gas more, but 25mpg is posible, also for that reason it feels more like a sport car, the whole power band is lower down the rpm gauge, with a RWD drivetrain u can offcourse drift, if u have the money for a SR20DET, then it can compete with any and all 4 banger, for the KA there is little after market support (though growing), great potential with SR but prepare to cough up the money for parts, not to mention the time to hunt it down

prelude, out of the three i've grown to like it the most, the 92-96 prelude anyway, this is a true sport car, with a high displacement engine backed by honda's v-tech, h-22/h-23 have plenty of power and after market support, also with the rare 4-wheel steering model, ur handling will be world class, but to truely get its full potential, lots of money will be needed

final verdict: GS-R easy pick up and go car, have potential for greater power 240sx cheap, sporty car, have potential but only for the serious minded Prelude easy pick up and go, and greatest potential for one with lots of $$$

I think you've covered just about every generalization there is about the 240.

The only advantage the Prelude has over the 240SX is that it's front suspension is a double wishbone setup. This allows it to gain more camber in bump situations as well as give stable geometry in uneven surfaces.

However, the increased frontal weight of the vehicle gives it a bad weight distribution (H22's are heavy engines as far as Honda series engines go). The car is also FWD, which again taxes the front tires more. The Prelude will understeer greatly and if it does not do so from the start, it would easily begin to understeer on a track where the front tires would be damn near melted from having to do all the work of accelerating, turning, and stopping the car.

The Prelude has a top end power advantage, but the KA has the H22 easily until about 5000 rpm in terms of torque and throttle response.

You say the KA consumes more fuel. I think you should re-evaluate that statement. The H22 found in the 4th Gen Preludes is rated at 22 mpg city / 26 mpg highway. Likewise the S13's KA24DE is rated at 22 mpg city / 28 mpg highway.

To even touch a common SR swapped 240 you need to more than likely boost the Prelude's H22 engine, which isn't known for it's boostability.

The potential for a 240 ranks right there with the other monsters from Japan like the EVO, STi, Skyline, Z32, FC3S, FD3S, and many others. In fact, the S13 and S14 have the 2nd largest aftermarket of any car in Japan. The largest market being the GTR.

[Nismo_Freak]

for the people argueing about drag, RWD's only upper hand was a good lsd, but lsd are being develope for lots of FWD cars, FWD cars will ones again be on top, y the "squat" , that pretty much take any power u putting to the ground away, the only RWD cars that i've seen NOT do this was car that have been set up for drag racing (meaning the suspension was locked tight, or those big professional dragsters, which have a space as wide as ur shoulder between 2 huge wheels), with a FWD, there is little if any "squatting" then look at it in term of basic physics, is it easier to pull a weight or is it easier to push the same weight in a environment with friction??? and then for those that make the arguement of different factorsnone of those matter since they all can be control some how, it is the basic behavior of the car that u can't change, u can spend lots of money to modify it, correct it, but it will always be there

That "squat" isn't the power being "taken away" it's the result of the front suspension unloading weight onto the rear suspension. This in turn adds weight load to the rear tires, which raises the amount of friction the tires produce. Friction essentially equals tire grip. In fact (assuming you don't have crappy suspension), the more squat you get ... the harder the car is launching.

On a FWD car ... the squat removes weight from the front drive wheels and transfers it to the rear. This causes the front tires to lose traction. Why do you think the FWD drag cars run wheelie bars? It's to prevent the squat associated with an accelerating vehicle.

LSD functions the same on both setups.

FWD was never "on top" of drag racing... never will be. In fact, FWD isn't "on top" of any pre-estabolished form of racing.

FWD doesn't pull the car in the sense you are thinking of. Pulling is easier because of leverage. If I'm pulling something I can lean into it and use my body weight to pull it along. If I'm pushing something and have no "base" to lever myself against then I am using only my force created by pushing it.

[cys19]

Two nights ago I dreamt that I finally got an s14 and my friend broke it the same day.

I love this thread.

[thes14project]

Ok guys, I just wanted to say I am sorry if I offended anyone. I just got pissed, but not anymore. I am a 240 enthusist balls to bones. Sorry I lost it.

[SpeeDDrifT]

NismoFreak- thank you for setting that straight....and in such a informative and professional manner....i love reading your posts.....thank you once again.

[bobert486]

if you have actully driven a prelude, the steering is much more precise than the 240(again i have both cars so i can compare). prelude suspension is amazing for a fwd, its crisp and turns where u point with no "slack" or "play" while cornering. 240sx however, has much more "slack" in the steering thus less feel for the road and a less precise ability to point and aim the car. But the 240 has good balance. so it all depends what u want, everything is a balance vs trade off.

[cys19]

newbie question: what are all the advantages to having a 50:50 weight balance ratio?

[thes14project]

it has to do with understeer and ovwestear and general ability to handle curves. When a car is 50:50 it takes a curve with the same force applied throughout the car. if a car is front heavy, you're more likely to overstear, or have the rear end slide out from under you because the front is pulling harder than the front. If the car is rear heavy, like an MR2 then your prown to understeer or you turn the wheel and it won't turn because the back is pulling harder than the front. So in short 50:50 weight balance and a skilled driver will be able to keep acceleration up through the curve rather than slowing down and then speading up after reaching the apex (where the curve starts to end). Basically 50:50 is good for drifting.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's how it was explaned to meLater, Scott

[masticatingcow]

it has to do with understeer and ovwestear and general ability to handle curves. When a car is 50:50 it takes a curve with the same force applied throughout the car. if a car is front heavy, you're more likely to overstear, or have the rear end slide out from under you because the front is pulling harder than the front. If the car is rear heavy, like an MR2 then your prown to understeer or you turn the wheel and it won't turn because the back is pulling harder than the front. So in short 50:50 weight balance and a skilled driver will be able to keep acceleration up through the curve rather than slowing down and then speading up after reaching the apex (where the curve starts to end). Basically 50:50 is good for drifting.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's how it was explaned to meLater, Scott

I'm not sure if I understand what you mean by either end "pulling harder."

Wouldn't a rear-heavy car tend to oversteer? The increased weight would, under similar lateral g's, tend to lose traction before the lighter (front) end. I mean, I'm no physics major here, but:

If you place two objects of equal mass (size, which approximates the relative "halves" of a car) on the poles of a fixed segment (like this: []-+-[]) but allow one object a higher DENSITY (which would increase the relative weight) you could roughly simulate a car with weight bias. Now, to simulate the laeral g's associated with cornering, you could attach a length of string to the midpoint of the segment (see below)

...[]-+-[] <--- car "model".......|.......| <--- string.......|

(EDIT: "..." are to hold model aligned, instead of left-justified.)

To watch the effect of centrifugal force as applied to the "car", find a flat surface and swing the "car" in a circle with the string in the center. (Like a ball on a string, as if you were swinging it around your head, you know) Just keep it on the flat surface, or "ground."

You'll see the heavier end of the "car" swing AWAY from the center of this circle. So, in a real world application, this suggests that a car with a heavy rear end will swing out before the front, suggesting OVERsteer. I say BEFORE the front because at some point, the lateral g's acting on the front end of the car should overcome the friction at the wheels, sending the front AWAY, and possibly the whole car into an outside wall.

The benefit of 50/50 weight ratio is still evident: in this model, viable or not, neither end of the car will experience a greater lateral force, thus distributing the lateral g's over the entire car, effectively doubling the friction area used to keep the car on course. This allows for higher cornering speeds.

50/50 is good for drifiting because it optimizes the level of control the driver has through throttle steer. By slamming on the gas, the driver effectively kills the friction on the rear tires, allowing lateral g's to push the rear end OUT, thus purposely initiating oversteer.

Physics guys are welcome to jump all over me for this one, but I'm pretty sure that, all other things equal, my model holds water.

[masticatingcow]

thes14project, I can see where you're coming from. Greater weight tends towards greater traction. But I think that for your model to be correct, the weight distrubution has to be radically off. (i.e. 70/30 or 30/70)

[thes14project]

probabaly true, I just know that Mr2's have really bad understeer I assume it was for that reason.

[240SXer]

for the people argueing about drag, RWD's only upper hand was a good lsd, but lsd are being develope for lots of FWD cars, FWD cars will ones again be on top, y the "squat" , that pretty much take any power u putting to the ground away, the only RWD cars that i've seen NOT do this was car that have been set up for drag racing (meaning the suspension was locked tight, or those big professional dragsters, which have a space as wide as ur shoulder between 2 huge wheels), with a FWD, there is little if any "squatting" then look at it in term of basic physics, is it easier to pull a weight or is it easier to push the same weight in a environment with friction??? and then for those that make the arguement of different factorsnone of those matter since they all can be control some how, it is the basic behavior of the car that u can't change, u can spend lots of money to modify it, correct it, but it will always be there

??? What are you talking about? Have you even driven a high horsepower FWD car? It has nothing to do with LSD. My 240 with Open Diff and a KA running 16s was turning the same 60fts at my friends Supercharged GSR running 14s on DRs. No matter how the suspension is setup the weight is STILL going to transfer to the rear you can't stop it. (you can a bit with those rear bars, but that's hardly a street app). Pulling Vs. Pushing has to do with your body weight behind something, it has NOTHING to do with car and it really does not need to be discussed. When you PUSH something it's easier to get more of your body weight behind the push than when pulling. NOTHING do with cars. NOTHING. Go online and do some reading about fwd vs. rwd, don't listen to the people in here if you don't want. You'll find that I’m right. FWD will never hook as well as RWD (similar setup i.e. slicks vs. slicks, similar power). NEVER sorry. You're uninformed. Just because you don’t' notice the 'squat' it does not mean it's not happening.

[sk8erguy1501]

s14=ownage. prelude=unbalanced.

[240SXer]

My Nissan truck was like 70/30

I'd like to see any Street worthy FWD car try to hold me off the line with my 245/50R16 Nitto NT555R Drag Radials.

[bobert486]

Quote »sk8erguy1501 s14=ownage. prelude=unbalanced. [/quote]

ummm no

[TryinHard]

don't get a prelude. I have a '93 si, it's a nice car, but has a lotta foul ups. Joined a prelude only car club, 40 or so lude's and they've all had the same problems at one point or another. Good thing was that when your car messed up, if you didn't know what you were doing, you could just call up a friend and have them tell you. Bad thing was you had problems, alot.

[WhItEdRiFt]

I agree with the point that the decision is basically between FWD and RWD. I own an Integra *gasp!* (I know, I know ) and it is great being able to turn hard and have the car yank you in that direction. The acceleration isn't as good as a RWD car obviously but it gets the job done. Almost reminds me of one of those Subaru commercials when I drive on a two lane road through the hills.

But then again, that is a car I got cheap. My first car was actually a Mustang which was cool. As far as my interests go I like driving with an enormous band of grip. But I drive me brothers Corolla (AE87 :P) and it rocks my socks accelerating so fast. I think if you get a well-balanced car you will be happy as long as you don't get one that can't easily suit your tastes.

Since my brother got his car and it is RWD it got the idea of drifting in my head. So here I've been for the past couple of days asking all these knowledgable people about the 240SX because I NEED a RWD car haha! Check out some videos online of people racing on tracks and get some of that drift king guy. See what catches your interest the most and go from there. Just make sure you get a car that you can satisfy your driving needs. Don't get an Integra and then decide that you want to try drifting or drag racing.

I think it is safe to say that both a 240SX and Integra can handle the corners well. From my experience a RWD car can turn FASTER and SHARPER but a FWD car can take turns at higher speeds and is more stable in my opinion. There are two things that I love though about cars. One is the feeling when torque slams you into your seat and the other is getting whipped from side to side doing 5,000RPM around sharp curves. YEAH!

Find something you'll have fun with but just be safe when you drive.

[tegls1]

Ok this board has moved a long way since I last posted. I was going to buy a 240 then the day I was going to see it the guy started telling me a whole buch of problems with the car that wasnt mentioned before. Like the engine is still in georgia, It doesnt have a drive shaft. Then I was thinking that the car is not worth 1200 buck for and 89. I was really lucky and found an MKIII supra in almost perfect condition for 1500 so I got that. I am still plannig on getting a 240 in the future like at the end of this year or around september. RWD is lovely I just have one thing I don't like with my car is that it doesnt have enough power. Like usual every speed lover never think there car has enough power. I thought the 200hp would at least satisfy me for a month or 2 knowing that I came from a 130hp integra. I will still be posting on this board and I still like the 240s and Im still planning on getting one just at a later date.

ALSO what is the point of putting a sr engine in your car if your going to loose .4 of a liter and about 1500 bucks. Just turbocharge the ka and deal with having a US spec motor. JDM is not gods gift to man.

I really think you guys are starting to act like ricers sayng stupid stuff. This forum is still pretty good so please don't kill it with stupid stuff. That is the main reason why Supra forums suck. I wish I could find one that was at least halfway as good as this forum.

I read a few post back about FWD not being abole to take ZO6s and vipers think again. I have seen a Civic smoke a Viper. I was shocked as hell when I saw that but it happend.

You are able to correct the loss of control in FWD car. In understear fust unwind the stearing wheel and you will get traction again. In overstear it the same as RWD just counterstear. If you can stop fast enough well I don't know what to do then but crash.LOL

I drag racing RWD will always be better that FWD. An AWD car will beat both FWD and RWD.

FWD race cars dont melt there front tire because they are set up to sue the optimum heat to get the optimum traction. If you take air out of your tire they will get hotter. If you add air to your tire is will be cooler. Im saing that if your runnig them at the track. So for example if a tire has its best traction at 200 degrees You can achive that temerature in both FWD and RWD cars. Both car will most likely have 2 different tire preasure to achive that degree of heat.

FWD car are really great in road racing aplications because drifting is not the fastest way around a track.

[240SXer]

<<<ALSO what is the point of putting a sr engine in your car if your going to loose .4 of a liter and about 1500 bucks. Just turbocharge the ka and deal with having a US spec motor. JDM is not gods gift to man. >>>>>

Okay, My KA had 145k miles on it, and it was starting to have compression issues. So I'd have to rebuild it, and then put a turbo, etc. Do you realize how much more that would have cost? For an engine that would be LESS reliable (in my opinion). A Turbo KA is taking a NA engine and slapping a turbo on it. I'd have to get low compression pistons and such to get it to be as reliable while boosting (I drive 15-20k a year dude). So it's not always as easy as you want to think it is. Not everyone is a JDM fanatic like you think. Sorry.

<<<<I read a few post back about FWD not being abole to take ZO6s and vipers think again. I have seen a Civic smoke a Viper. I was shocked as hell when I saw that but it happend.>>>>

Big deal. I'm the one who said FWD couldn’t take vipers. What kinda tires was that Civic on? Was it street setup? I'd doubt it. Slap some Kumo 712s on a Civic and have him run his 400whp car against a viper any day; my money would still be on the viper. With a totally street setup it's extremely rare that a Civic will ever run anything but low 13s/high 12s. I know this because I know a lot about drag racing, hence me having a website called racingonthestreet.com. Sorry dude, FWD sux. Watch the video of me racing a SRT-4 on stock boost. We were about even in the 1/4 but you're talking about a 230whp lighter car against a 180-190whp car, which is heavier (mine). So ya, - 300lb and + 40-50whp and a FWD car can hold me. Impressive isn’t it? You sound like the rest of the civic guys at the races asking me to not launch because they know they’ll get walked off the line. Sorry.

<<<You are able to correct the loss of control in FWD car. In understear fust unwind the stearing wheel and you will get traction again. In overstear it the same as RWD just counterstear. If you can stop fast enough well I don't know what to do then but crash.LOL>>>

I don't know much about track racing but you should give your findings to NASCAR and CART/F1 races and let them know that they need to convert all their cars to FWD because it's just as good.

<<<I drag racing RWD will always be better that FWD. An AWD car will beat both FWD and RWD.>>>

Umm... True.. sorta.. I have yet to se a AWD car able to take me in the 60ft (running similar 1/4 mile times). AWD trannies have many problems. AWD might be good for some stuff, but it's not the holly grail of drag racing that some act like it is. To properly launch an AWD car without busting the transmission it takes a LOT of power. There are fast AWD car out there no doubt, and in general I’d rate it just as good as RWD in drag and sometimes slightly better, but it's far from the holly grail like I said. I love racing against AWD guys who roll it off the line because they know they’ll just spin their clutch or bust the transmission. haha

<<<FWD race cars dont melt there front tire because they are set up to sue the optimum heat to get the optimum traction. If you take air out of your tire they will get hotter. If you add air to your tire is will be cooler. Im saing that if your runnig them at the track. So for example if a tire has its best traction at 200 degrees You can achive that temerature in both FWD and RWD cars. Both car will most likely have 2 different tire preasure to achive that degree of heat. >>>

If you're talking about drag racing FWD cars to burnouts too. I don't really see what you're talking about here but ya... Tires are tires, fwd or rwd. Only difference is in fwd the front tires will get hot and in rwd the rear. Otherwise I don't see the point.

<<<FWD car are really great in road racing aplications because drifting is not the fastest way around a track.>>>

Nice way of saying FWD cars can't drift. We already know that.

[bobert486]

Quote »I know this because I know a lot about drag racing, hence me having a website called racingonthestreet.com. Sorry dude, FWD sux[/quote] haha that sounds like a ricer site to me. racing on the street? sounds kinda pathetic, something people that are into the "street scene" aka ricer. take it to the race track. Also, if ur such a drag racing fanatic, why arent you at the LS1 site or the firebird or mustang site. they are excellent if not one of the best cars for drag, RWD(yay for you guys) + power(double yay cause 240sx dont have that) and incredible grip(yay cubed).:thinker 240sx this and that is mostly hype(w/ exceptions), theres a reason why nissan pulled the 240sx from the USA market before Honda pulled the prelude, toyota pulled the celica, hell, even Gm and their F-bodies. fo that doesnt tell ya something, you need a kick into reality.

tegls1.....well dang, looks like you knew most of the anwsers that these kids didnt know, congrats on your new(well to you at least) supra. they can take a beating and keep running. you're rightm this 240sx/drift bandwagon is outta control haha it is funny, i wonder what society will think of "the import scene" lets say 25 years later........

...lame is the first word that comes to mind haha

[bobert486]

oh yea, notice i said import SCENE, not import cars in general. ok im done

[240SXer]

<<<<haha that sounds like a ricer site to me. racing on the street? sounds kinda pathetic, something people that are into the "street scene" aka ricer. take it to the race track. Also, if ur such a drag racing fanatic, why arent you at the LS1 site or the firebird or mustang site. they are excellent if not one of the best cars for drag, RWD(yay for you guys) + power(double yay cause 240sx dont have that) and incredible grip(yay cubed).:thinker 240sx this and that is mostly hype(w/ exceptions), theres a reason why nissan pulled the 240sx from the USA market before Honda pulled the prelude, toyota pulled the celica, hell, even Gm and their F-bodies. fo that doesnt tell ya something, you need a kick into reality.>>>>

Because everyone and their mom who is a drag racer has an LS1 powered Fbody. That's lame; it's not a sleeper unless it's running 10s. No doubt it's a better drag racer but it's not only about that. These domestic boys need to be smoked by some imports. They do not give "incredible grip" and I do go to the track all the time ricer. Kick into reality? What are you talking about dude? A LS1 fbody costs MORE, non-sleeper, everyone has one, etc. You sound like the ricer who wants to get a car just because everyone else has one. The US 240sx was expensive and didn’t offer anything to the average consumer. It's a tuner car, not a good out-of-the-box performance car (especially in drag) like a Camaro. You need to know what you're talking about before you come on here trying to talk mr. bad. What is this "grip" that Fbodys give? My ***.. Fbodys don't hook incredibly better than my 240. I'm hitting low 1.9s on my NT555Rs at a track where a stock Z06 gets 2.1s. Just because a car was pulled from the market does not mean anything about the car, learn about sales and marketing. It's about a lot more then people racing their cars around. The mustangs weren’t pulled, they’re much slower and more expensive than the Fbodys, explain that one. My 240sx has a 100% stock body, NO exterior modifications, yes SLEEPER, not RICER. Racing is for the track and the street IMO, if you don’t like it I don’t really care. Maybe you should go to my site before you call it a ricer site. Lamer

[240SXer]

I love how you just attack random things, nothign that i've said. Why don't you say stuff about my comments about FWD? Because you know they're true? Ask any drag racer, FWD absolutely SUX for drag. It's a challenge, yes, and I respect anyone who tries to make a drag FWD car. However, it's a very poor setup.

And I don't like drifting so keep me out of that attack please.

Which "answer" did I not know?