1st gen 350 into 3rd gen camaro build

[brandonDavid]

this makes me want to post pics of the builds of my 327, 400, and LT1. and don't worry first thing i did with the lt1 was take opti spark off and the intake manifold. now it has a gm performance parts manifold and demon carb.this was it before we figured out the crank was cutting into the oil pan. so now it's bare block.

[Logan76]

Ahh, I dont like how he painted the waterpump orange. Im going with an Electric waterpump, Vortec heads with bigger valves, forged 358 bottom end, built Th350 trans, I have a cast steel intake manifold to mate with the vortecs, buying a 750cfm carb, 150 wet shot, and its all going into an old *** S10.

[White Comet]

yeah thats a potent setup but this car is a daily and is designed to get ok gas mileage for an sbc so he went pretty mild on some things.

[WDRacing]

Coming along nicely man. I'm a big fan of the Gen III Camaro's, the Iroc being one of my favorite cars growing up. I was browsing through the classifieds just the other day, not on Nico obviously, and found quite a few decent Irocs for very cheap.

I'll probably get one as a midlife crisis car and grow one of those ugly mullets that only a balding guy can appreciate...

WD

[White Comet]

thanks man, glad you approve. yeah the irocs are nice but normally more expensive. my brother didnt want one with a v8 since he'd be pulling it out so the rs (better aero then the iroc imo) with v6 was only $3k and in really good shape. most 3rd gen camaros have front end damage for some reason.

update- the car started up with just a little tweaking of the dizzy. unfortunately there was no oil pressure. this means 1 of 2 things

1- the oil pump is bad which means the old one has to be replaced. this is a little bit of a job but not terrible. now the oil pump is an old one my dad had but they really dont go bad that often since there isnt much to them. the old pump is out and the new one was picked up yesterday so we'll see how that goes.

2- if thats not it the engine has to be pull out and disassembled because a bearing is not lined up correctly or not in the proper tolerance (too loose and the oil doesnt build pressure and flow. too tight and its blocked) this obviously woudl suck but we're pretty sure the tolerances and bearings are correct. everything was carefully installed and set to the proper tolerance with a plastigauge.

so we'll see how it goes and i'll keep everyone updated

[White Comet]

alright i owe you guys an update. theres been plenty going on, the biggest thing being that oil pressure problem was resolved.turns out it was the machine shops fault. when they hot tanked the block they removed the 3 front plugs and never replaced them. my brother had replaced the rear plugs before the hot tanking and they claimed they never removed the plugs when they hot tank but they were def there before they got the block. they did finally admit to their mistake, but its a good thing they car wasnt on long enough to damage anything.

he replaced the 3 plugs and everything is fine now and everything is back together as well. to replace teh ac box under the hood, my brother picked up an ac delete box on ebay. it shoudl help to clean things up some. the car will probably be restarted really soon and broken in. he also fabbed up some temporary exhaust for it and ditched the big ugly washer fluid tank for a small tank he drilled into and mounted the factory washer fluid motor. its filled up and not leaking at all. i'll try and get video when that happens, but now on to the pics

the temp exhaust side pipes and the work that went into them

the ac box is out and ready for the delete box

the dizzy hook up and set right

new washer fluid tank

forgot to mention the gauges are hooked up as well

[xekushnr]

Nice, we did the same thing to my buddies '85 (or '86, I dont remember what year it is) Z28 a few months ago.

[White Comet]

cool what part do u mean by same thing? an sbc swap?

[PoorManQ45]

Did summit racing really have to inscribe their name in the damn piston!

[xekushnr]

cool what part do u mean by same thing? an sbc swap?

Yep, a 350. His came with a 305 with 350 heads, but he wanted the real deal. I told him not to do it, because his is one of 70-something cars, but he really wanted it. After driving it I cant say I blame him.

[Sil40_Mayhem]

That's gonna be one heck of a sweet mullet machine. Rock on!

[White Comet]

Did summit racing really have to inscribe their name in the damn piston!

yeah i guess so lol

Nice, we did the same thing to my buddies '85 (or '86, I dont remember what year it is) Z28 a few months ago.

cool. the heads on my brothers are modded 327 vette heads. really? only 70some z28s in 86 or is there something else special about it?

i saw that ninja edit. probably an 86, the 85 wasnt this body style

edit- wow i have no idea why i posted that. the 3rd gens go from 82-92

Yep, a 350. His came with a 305 with 350 heads, but he wanted the real deal. I told him not to do it, because his is one of 70-something cars, but he really wanted it. After driving it I cant say I blame him.

Modified by White Comet at 2:27 PM 4/1/2008

[xekushnr]

yeah i guess so lol

cool. the heads on my brothers are modded 327 vette heads. really? only 70some z28s in 86 or is there something else special about it?

i saw that ninja edit. probably an 86, the 85 wasnt this body style

There's something special about it, I'm going to try to get a hold of him to find out what it is.

[White Comet]

please do, im curious. it isnt a 1LE by any chance is it?

[xekushnr]

No, it was an L69 (?) I think. He didnt answer his phone, so I'm guessing he is busy at work. I left him a message though.

[White Comet]

the 1LE is a rare unadvertised edition made for showroom stock racing. it wasnt advertised at all, but ordering a new camaro with no ac, the 305 v8, manual trans and beefier axles was the "code" for the car to be built as a 1LE

[xekushnr]

Hmm I'll ask him about that then.

[White Comet]

sounds good man. thanks for looking into this

[xekushnr]

Ok he just called me back, he's painting right now. It is an '86, and it did have the L69. He said to look it up on the Camaro Technical Database (no linky, first I've heard of this) and it should say something about it there if you look up the '86 model year.

[xekushnr]

Here it is, on this link: http://www.f-body.org/tech/tech.htm#history3rdScroll down to the '86 section.

Quote »Records show that 74 L69 (5.0 liter H.O.) Camaros were built. The L69is shown as being available in the 1986 Camaro brochure, but it was puton strict restriction. [/quote]

[White Comet]

ahh got ya. wow thanks for the info

[xekushnr]

No problem. Give my props to your bro, his car looks nice. I'll show the pics to my buddy when he gets home.

[Urabus GodofTraction]

Carbs?

Yeah, it was all good up till then.

[White Comet]

No problem. Give my props to your bro, his car looks nice. I'll show the pics to my buddy when he gets home.

thanks im sure he appreciates it

Carbs?

Yeah, it was all good up till then.

hahaha care to elaborate?

[Urabus GodofTraction]

There's nothing a carb can do that a FI system can't do better.

Power? Check.Fuel economy? Check.Driveability? Check.Tuneability? Check.

Installing a carb on an engine is the equivalent of plugging your computer into monochromatic CRT. Why?

[Oatmealman]

I think this is gonna be the first time me and charlieo agree on something.FI is a much better set up and while it does take more wiring it's nice to go out every morning turning the key and knowing that the motor is gonna start the first time.

[Urabus GodofTraction]

I think this is gonna be the first time me and charlieo agree on something.FI is a much better set up and while it does take more wiring it's nice to go out every morning turning the key and knowing that the motor is gonna start the first time.

Well, even the blind mouse finds cheese once in awhile.

[Oatmealman]

I don't mind carbs but they belong on muscle cars and this car is far from a muscle car.

[Urabus GodofTraction]

Carbs only belong on cars that are trying to be period/model correct, or where required by rules.

Hell, these days they make EFI systems that look like carbs.

[White Comet]

There's nothing a carb can do that a FI system can't do better.

Power? Check.Fuel economy? Check.Driveability? Check.Tuneability? Check.

Installing a carb on an engine is the equivalent of plugging your computer into monochromatic CRT. Why?

im not denying a fi system is better, but i wouldnt say theyre bad. what do u expect to find on an engine from 73? a lot of these parts he got for free from my dad, including the whole engine. my dad has 2 chevelles so he's not gonna have fi stuff and my brother couldnt justify going fi and spending that money when its easier and cheaper to do it the original carb'd way and still reach his goals.

I don't mind carbs but they belong on muscle cars and this car is far from a muscle car.

orly? what qualifies as a muscle car then?