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KFL

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10-8-2002
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| « Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift) | 10:30 AM 4/30/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by okinawa drift » | | hmm is the holes for the Master cylinder supposed to have that THING sticking out like that? should i rip that out? ... i already tried and bent the wall behind it slightly... wtf is that? this normal? 
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1-Yes this is normal for a s13, a s14 is all flat no bolts
2-You have a s14 clutch pedal fyi, a s13 pedal has a metal spacer that goes into those metal sockets in the picture. Then it has some thread for it to catch the clutch master cylinder. My only thing would be some play side to side, then again it might work.(Never installed a 14 pedal into a 13) A S14 pedal goes all the way in and sits at firewall. Clutch pedal is held in by 3 bolts, 2 on clutch master cylinder, and 1 on upper pedal. A buddy of mine installed a s13 clutch pedal into his s14. We had to use washers..to space it out to get the upper bolt on pedal to line up. When drilling with a holesaw have a good drill, my buddy fragged his firewall,warped,distorted slightly using a weak drill. WIth a good drill it only take 30seconds. You can mark the center of hole with marker, use a very small drill bit use that hole to line up the holesaw done in less than 30seconds. Don't worry about the dust cover until trans is in, there is always a little slack in driveshaft so it may turn out to be correct. Also I put in a s13 trans into my s14 recently, I had the same identical dust cover,,they changed across some years. I had to pull it off and install my s14 dust cover.
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diggles240

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1996 240sx SE
Harrisonburg VA
2-14-2008
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| « Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (KFL) | 6:11 PM 4/30/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by KFL » | ...'Also I put in a s13 trans into my s14 recently'
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sorry for threadjack okinawa. KFL- i am starting my swap into my s14 and have all s13 parts. any pain the arse things, in general, that i should be aware of- major issues with swapping bellhousings in order to keep the s14 crank angle sensor configuration? also, is the s13 flywheel dustplate interchangeable? thanks man. diggs /threadjack

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KFL

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S14
USA
10-8-2002
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| « Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (diggles240) | 9:23 PM 4/30/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by diggles240 » | sorry for threadjack okinawa. KFL- i am starting my swap into my s14 and have all s13 parts. any pain the arse things, in general, that i should be aware of- major issues with swapping bellhousings in order to keep the s14 crank angle sensor configuration? also, is the s13 flywheel dustplate interchangeable? thanks man. diggs /threadjack
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-flywheel,dustshield etc. is the same across the board for the ka24de. -you have to use a s14 driveshaft for ur car abs, non-abs. -you have to used a manual s14 speed sensor -bellhousings you can either swap the s14 over onto the 13 or just drill a hole for the sensor and tap a bolt to hold it in place. -if you use a s13 clutch pedal you have to use washers to space it out, to line up the the upper clutch pedal bolt. Do not bolt it in until you have got that 3rd bolt lined up and have proper amount of washers in place. -if you want no check engine lights you have to use a manual ecu if your car is a 96 I would look for a 96..though I would think a 97/98 would work but are harder to find. You can find the electrical stuff you have to do..neutral position,reverse lights you don't need to do the other things unless you want a straight to the tee stock setup..push clutch pedal down to start etc. http://www.ka24development.com....html *Crank angle just counts number of teeth, from memory doesn't do much of anything just some obd2 mumbo crap.
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okinawa drift

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89 240sx SOHCoupe
Eugene OR
4-8-2007
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| « Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (KFL) | 10:18 PM 4/30/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by KFL » | 1-Yes this is normal for a s13, a s14 is all flat no bolts
2-You have a s14 clutch pedal fyi, a s13 pedal has a metal spacer that goes into those metal sockets in the picture. Then it has some thread for it to catch the clutch master cylinder. My only thing would be some play side to side, then again it might work.(Never installed a 14 pedal into a 13) A S14 pedal goes all the way in and sits at firewall. Clutch pedal is held in by 3 bolts, 2 on clutch master cylinder, and 1 on upper pedal. A buddy of mine installed a s13 clutch pedal into his s14. We had to use washers..to space it out to get the upper bolt on pedal to line up. When drilling with a holesaw have a good drill, my buddy fragged his firewall,warped,distorted slightly using a weak drill. WIth a good drill it only take 30seconds. You can mark the center of hole with marker, use a very small drill bit use that hole to line up the holesaw done in less than 30seconds. Don't worry about the dust cover until trans is in, there is always a little slack in driveshaft so it may turn out to be correct. Also I put in a s13 trans into my s14 recently, I had the same identical dust cover,,they changed across some years. I had to pull it off and install my s14 dust cover. |
hey, you sure its to an s14? this came out of an s13 hatchback, and this pedal compares to the clutch pedal for 89-94.. heres some pics of the fix! :D

 haha and still sanding the housing
 also went to autozone today to buy some stuff for the pedals / engine / tranny, the 1 1/2 hole saw didn't come with the other peice it connects to :S.. hmmm..

is this everything for the transmission? like am i missing anything?
 and does anyone know the size of the bolts that go here for the slave cylinder


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okinawa drift

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89 240sx SOHCoupe
Eugene OR
4-8-2007
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| « Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift) | 5:53 PM 5/1/2008 |
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anyone know the difference between s14 and s13 clutch pedal? im pretty sure mine is an s13 clutch pedal lol
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94_240sx
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| « Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift) | 10:32 PM 5/1/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by okinawa drift » |

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Looks like mine, so it's from s13.
 Pedal repair looks pretty good, man. I think you need 14mm bolts for the slave cylinder. Do you have some bolts laying around? Try some. You don't miss anything on the tranny. Replace throw out bearing for sure. Here's the write up. http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=316626 Clean up the bell housing. It's just dusty, so it'll come out easy with some degreaser+tooth brush. Keep us posted.
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okinawa drift

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89 240sx SOHCoupe
Eugene OR
4-8-2007
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| « Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (94_240sx) | 12:10 AM 5/2/2008 |
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w00t! alright thanks :D oh an did you clear coat your clutch pedal housing after you painted it? mine looks kind of ****ty lol, you can see my finger prints... ****! did you wet sand yours after you spray painted it?
looks good man
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| « Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift) | 5:27 AM 5/2/2008 |
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I like rebuilding stuff, but that's too far. I just roughly got rid of rust & grease and spray painted with $5 rattle can. It took less than 5 min to do so. Use cloth hanger, so you won't touch the housing when you spray paint it.
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okinawa drift

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89 240sx SOHCoupe
Eugene OR
4-8-2007
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| « Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (94_240sx) | 2:39 PM 5/3/2008 |
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damn i should of did the cloths hanger with my clutch housing, my brake pedal housing turned out alot better than my clutch pedal housing.. and less work.. lolheres some pics.. you can see my fingerprints on the housing  



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okinawa drift

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89 240sx SOHCoupe
Eugene OR
4-8-2007
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| « Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (94_240sx) | 7:09 PM 5/6/2008 |
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i used anti-seize lubricant for the spring, you think that would be ok? lol it was silver also i am having a really hard time trying to get the auto brake pedal out.. i managed to get all 4 nuts off, i just have to wiggle it out somehow.. i just left the steering column in, i tried removing it but it did not work out..
the only thing that is preventing me from removing my brake pedal is the brake master cylinder is in the way, i tried pushing it out, but it won't go out far enough... should i disconneect the hardlines and just removed the brake booster?
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BMAR240SX

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1993 240sx Coupe
QUEENS NY
8-21-2006
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| « Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift) | 7:18 PM 5/6/2008 |
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Why didn't you just cut the pedal in half or something in stead of installing a another one?
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| « Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift) | 8:36 PM 5/6/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by okinawa drift » | | also i am having a really hard time trying to get the auto brake pedal out.. i managed to get all 4 nuts off, i just have to wiggle it out somehow.. i just left the steering column in, i tried removing it but it did not work out.. the only thing that is preventing me from removing my brake pedal is the brake master cylinder is in the way, i tried pushing it out, but it won't go out far enough... should i disconneect the hardlines and just removed the brake booster? |
There are 2 nuts on the column. Did you remove them too? You can drop the column more if you remove them. Open the hood and try to pull the booster from the firewall.
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okinawa drift

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89 240sx SOHCoupe
Eugene OR
4-8-2007
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| « Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (94_240sx) | 8:44 PM 5/6/2008 |
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i did, i managed to pull the booster about 6 inches away, but it wasn't enough clearance to get the brake pedal out.. i was afraid if i pulled it out further i would bend something... should i disconnect the hardlines?
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| « Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift) | 9:09 PM 5/6/2008 |
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You have to press the pedal and wiggle it out.
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okinawa drift

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89 240sx SOHCoupe
Eugene OR
4-8-2007
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| « Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (94_240sx) | 9:36 PM 5/6/2008 |
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i was, its just the metal rod from the master cylinder keeps getting caught on the brake pedal housing :S
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Trax07
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1990 SRed 240SX
San Antonio TX
7-16-2007
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| « Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (KFL) | 10:23 PM 5/6/2008 |
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I pulled the booster all the way out snapped off the lil white thing but no biggie and I also took off the 12mm bolts to let the steering column sorta hang...

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okinawa drift

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89 240sx SOHCoupe
Eugene OR
4-8-2007
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| « Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (Trax07) | 10:29 PM 5/6/2008 |
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ahhh i see, did you disconnect the hardlines to the brake booster? or did you just bring it as far back as you could? im afraid of bending the hardlines. .lol
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| « Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift) | 5:14 AM 5/7/2008 |
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I didn't disconnect the hardlines. If you do, you'll have to bleed the lines and it's not fun.
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okinawa drift

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89 240sx SOHCoupe
Eugene OR
4-8-2007
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| « Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (94_240sx) | 6:55 PM 5/7/2008 |
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ahh i managed to drop the steering column to the floor and YANK the automatic brake out, but now ... how do i install the other brake back in? lol.. is it going to be as much a struggle to get it in there as it was to get it out?
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1991 Nissan 240sx
Andover KS
3-11-2007
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| « Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift) | 8:23 PM 5/7/2008 |
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Its coming along pretty well! I like. Im just glad, though, that I don't have to do this swap.
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| Quote, originally posted by The_Chosen_One » | I hope to god you mean I made your decision hard and not your willy wonka. |
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okinawa drift

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89 240sx SOHCoupe
Eugene OR
4-8-2007
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| « Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (pflicht) | 10:39 PM 5/7/2008 |
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well,well,well... i managed to get the sucker out!! i dropped the steering column completely, and pulled the brake booster as far out as i could... broke a coulple of the white brackets but oh well.. check it out

also i noticed the automatic brake pedal had two plugs... i know the blue one is for the brake light.. what is the other one for? my manual brake pedal didn't come with one.. do i need this plug? or can i live without it?

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diggles240

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1996 240sx SE
Harrisonburg VA
2-14-2008
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| « Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift) | 11:11 PM 5/7/2008 |
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looking good...i am not looking forward to that part of my swap. the second sensor on the brake pedal is for the cruise control. without it, your cruise will not work. on another note, what paint and color did you use on the pedal brackets? was it straight up silver or something special?kevin
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okinawa drift

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Eugene OR
4-8-2007
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| « Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (diggles240) | 11:54 PM 5/7/2008 |
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oh ok, yeah i don't need that then hahaoh and as for paint goes i used "silver metallic" you can get it from auto zone!
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okinawa drift

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89 240sx SOHCoupe
Eugene OR
4-8-2007
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| « Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift) | 7:13 PM 5/8/2008 |
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also the plug that controls the brake light is really hard to unplug... hmm is there a special technique to unplug it?heres a pic 
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diggles240

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1996 240sx SE
Harrisonburg VA
2-14-2008
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| « Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift) | 8:52 PM 5/8/2008 |
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 plug should pull out easily if retainer clip is compressed properly...good luck kevin
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motoman399

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95' not so beater 240 and 98' wrecked (rhd coming soon) 240
eureka ca
10-10-2006
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| « Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift) | 9:50 PM 5/8/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by okinawa drift » | | also the plug that controls the brake light is really hard to unplug... hmm is there a special technique to unplug it? |
i used channel locks... worked great.

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| « Re: 5 speed swap in progress! | 10:01 PM 5/8/2008 |
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Good job, okinawa. You are getting close. Spray some wd-40 and pull ot out as you pressed the retainer clip. One is brake light switch and the other one is circuit breaker for the cruise control. When you are on cruise control, it turns off if you hit the break pedal.
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okinawa drift

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89 240sx SOHCoupe
Eugene OR
4-8-2007
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| « Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (94_240sx) | 10:04 PM 5/8/2008 |
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thanks man:) ahh ok so i don't need that do i? since cruise control will no longer work  were you able to get your cruise control to work after a 5 spd swap?
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3-2-2007
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| « Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (motoman399) | 10:08 PM 5/8/2008 |
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moving right along man. your giving me hope when i do mine in the next month or so glad to see your taking your time and getting the proper information, it will pay off in the end.
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puchuco

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1995 Nissan 240sx
Cleveland OH
4-20-2008
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| « Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift) | 12:26 PM 5/9/2008 |
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"""""Don't worry about the dust cover until trans is in, there is always a little slack in driveshaft so it may turn out to be correct. Also I put in a s13 trans into my s14 recently, I had the same identical dust cover,,they changed across some years. I had to pull it off and install my s14 dust cover.""""I'm swapping my s14's transmission this weekend but, I'm missing the dust cover, how bad would it be if I just don't get the piece? Can I tweak my automatic one to get some protection? Thanks!!!
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| « Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (puchuco) | 12:47 PM 5/9/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by puchuco » | | """""Don't worry about the dust cover until trans is in, there is always a little slack in driveshaft so it may turn out to be correct. |
True, but it depends on how much slack you have. Car flexes a little bit, so you should have enough slack to clear it. | Quote, originally posted by puchuco » | I'm swapping my s14's transmission this weekend but, I'm missing the dust cover, how bad would it be if I just don't get the piece? Can I tweak my automatic one to get some protection?Thanks!!! |
Yes, I modified s14 dust cover to use with 1 piece aluminum driveshaft. I cut and welded a stainless steel container to it. 


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ThuG LyFe

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2-18-2007
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looks good can't wait till it's done.i got my 5 spd swap done and my CC works beautifully.
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puchuco

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1995 Nissan 240sx
Cleveland OH
4-20-2008
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| « Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (94_240sx) | 2:31 PM 5/9/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by 94_240sx » | True, but it depends on how much slack you have. Car flexes a little bit, so you should have enough slack to clear it. Yes, I modified s14 dust cover to use with 1 piece aluminum driveshaft. I cut and welded a stainless steel container to it. 


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I'm sorry , I thought you guys were talking about the bellhousing adapter plate/dust cover.
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| « Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (puchuco) | 6:05 PM 5/9/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by puchuco » | I'm swapping my s14's transmission this weekend but, I'm missing the dust cover, how bad would it be if I just don't get the piece? Can I tweak my automatic one to get some protection?Thanks!!! |
Oops!!! Sorry. Yeah, that thing is called dust cover or adaptor plate. You should install it otherwise your clutch might slip. I've seen a couple of people regreting it after they left it out. s13 dust cover is out of production, but s14 one is still available and will fit. You can buy one on eBay too. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...85489
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puchuco

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1995 Nissan 240sx
Cleveland OH
4-20-2008
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| « Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (94_240sx) | 8:15 AM 5/10/2008 |
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The one on ebay is for an SR20 and I have a KA24, would it still fit? (I doubt it)
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okinawa drift

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89 240sx SOHCoupe
Eugene OR
4-8-2007
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| « Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (puchuco) | 4:47 AM 5/11/2008 |
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you guys think i would be able to get away with not re-surfacing the flywheel? since i just have a regular exedy clutch
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1991 Nissan 240sx SE
Hilo Hawaii
2-12-2008
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| « Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift) | 5:13 AM 5/11/2008 |
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Dont Take That Bracket Out Or You Will Have The Clutch Pedal All The WAY down to the floor use those as guides and the measure the boot where the rod come out and use a hole saw that size....make sure you mark and center punch the center or you will run into problems for bolting up.... happy wrenching

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a_ahmed
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1991 240sx fastback
Oakville Ontario
5-4-2006
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| « Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (S13.4) | 6:34 AM 5/11/2008 |
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Hey guys,I have s13 engine+tranny, earl ss soft clutch line, nabco master+slave cylinder, manual crossmember, engine/tranny mounts, even got shiftboot I am just missing a non abs s13 manual driveshaft, hard line, and clutch/brake pedals... Hard line can be fabricated... so its not THAT much of an issue but id prefer getting it... and well manual driveshaft... is there any real difference between the abs and non abs ones... my car is non abs.... and last but not least i saw some sale on that courtesparts nissan site that u linked to mentioning clutch pedal... but is it the WHOLE package EVERYTHING thats needed or?... And is it necessary to get brake pedal assembly from manual? What's the difference? So again -Hard line -Driveshaft from non abs manual s13 -Clutch and brake pedal assembly Help 
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BMAR240SX

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1993 240sx Coupe
QUEENS NY
8-21-2006
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| « Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (a_ahmed) | 10:37 AM 5/11/2008 |
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| Quote, originally posted by a_ahmed » | | Hey guys, I have s13 engine+tranny, earl ss soft clutch line, nabco master+slave cylinder, manual crossmember, engine/tranny mounts, even got shiftboot I am just missing a non abs s13 manual driveshaft, hard line, and clutch/brake pedals... Hard line can be fabricated... so its not THAT much of an issue but id prefer getting it... and well manual driveshaft... is there any real difference between the abs and non abs ones... my car is non abs.... and last but not least i saw some sale on that courtesparts nissan site that u linked to mentioning clutch pedal... but is it the WHOLE package EVERYTHING thats needed or?... And is it necessary to get brake pedal assembly from manual? What's the difference? So again -Hard line -Driveshaft from non abs manual s13 -Clutch and brake pedal assembly Help  |
Cut your break pedal in half and do not waste money on putting in another one that is going to do the same thing.
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a_ahmed
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Oakville Ontario
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| « Re: (94_240sx) | 10:42 AM 5/11/2008 |
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http://www.courtesyparts.com/b....htmlDoes this come with the whole brake and clutch pedal assemblies all together for 40 bux and everything needed? If yes I'll buy it, can someone chime in...
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