one of the first things i noticed when i was riding around without hvac trim, when you push the button to make the air flow to yo face, you can watch that thing go down, so i was like "OMG COOL!!!"
yeah so today, the thing is out cause i was doing the whole shift boot thinger, and i noticed, that thing didnt move anymore
i thought... ok this is wierd....
so i clicked on the button to make it go to my feetzies, and the thing stayed closed (this is when it normaly closes up from being open), waited about 30 seconds, and clicked the face button again....
it went to my face, i was like thank god
well i made it go to the feet again just to check, and yeah, it closed up, only this time, it never oppened again
so like the whole 3 hours i was cleaning my car and playing with it, i kept trying to get it to open, and i noticed the thing was stuck closed....
so anyone know wtf is wrong? i have a feeling this is gonna be expensive as **** to replace if i cant fix it
and i have a feeling its gonna require taking out the dash to fix
EDIIT apparently a lot of people arent realizing that at the bottom of the thread, theres more and better pics, and i obvioulsy made some progress
thanks ryon for bringing to my attention that some people arent that smart 
Modified by SketchyRollin564 at 12:22 AM 5/12/2008
Post Title: Re: so this thingy seem to broke... help please (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: SketchyRollin564 at 12:15 AM 5/6/2008
thats the thing that rises and closes shut to block off air blowin to yo face, and it opens up when you want it blowin there
just look through your vents in the daytime and press the different buttons and youl see the thing slowly move
and its stuck shut right now...
Post Title: Re: so this thingy seem to broke... help please (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: Dittoz7 at 4:11 PM 5/6/2008
least you didnt use ummm ya
idk ...dont mean to upset you
Post Title: Re: (xckid)
Posted by: SketchyRollin564 at 6:29 PM 5/6/2008
| Quote, originally posted by xckid » |
| i feel like im back in high school's speech class....when this one chick had to present She used the word"so" way to often....i wanted to deck her....soo..so..so .like ..like... omg...... least you didnt use ummm ya idk ...dont mean to upset you |
that was a so-so reply...
it was funny, but that didnt help me at all lol
but thanks for the bump!
anyways.. anyone? do you think it would do anything if i tried unscrewing and diconnecting the HVAC unit, then putting it back in?
Post Title: Re: (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: GIJOE69 at 9:30 PM 5/6/2008
so what the hell is an actualator? lol, and how do you check it?
i really dont wanna have to rip out the dash for this...
Post Title: Re: (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: LEMHEAD16 at 9:48 PM 5/6/2008
Doesn't look like you need to remove dash but, you might need a new motor. If you can get it out and lube the actuator it might free it up if it is stuck. That would be a temporary fix until you could find a junkyard part.
Good luck
Post Title: Re: (LEMHEAD16)
Posted by: SketchyRollin564 at 10:01 PM 5/6/2008
i guess that would make sence, if the problem is the fact that the motor is dead
Post Title: Re: (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: LEMHEAD16 at 10:06 PM 5/6/2008
i just took out the trim again, and took out the HVAC box as well, so its way easyer to get around in there, but im still having a hard time finding a motor or anything... heres all i can see
cant figure out where the fck the motor is... and i REALLY dont want to rip out my dash
im a best off taking it to nissan and seeing what they say?
Post Title: Re: (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: captainfalco at 8:33 PM 5/7/2008
you think you might be able to circle it on MS paint?
Post Title: Re: so this thingy seem to broke... help please (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: blacksrjdm at 8:59 AM 5/9/2008
That diagram a couple of posts up shows the mode mix motor, I beleive thats what it is that u need.
Take the radio and all of that stuff out and u should see it down there somewhere, dont give up.
BTW, nice drum kit, i am a drummer also.
Post Title: Re: so this thingy seem to broke... help please (blacksrjdm)
Posted by: SketchyRollin564 at 1:58 PM 5/9/2008
i kinda color coded it so you can see what im looking at, and where i am
Yellow = actulator/arm thing
Blue = the screw that holds the two parts to the airbox together?
Anyways, to the pics....
Heres the whole area for anyone who doesnt know where i am
Getting a little closer...
Airbox with part number that might come in handy?
and last but not least, heres what looks to be the actulator arm thing
i have no clue why it goes down so low from the airbox, if the door is wayyy the hell up there, but who knows, maybe its a huge linkage, cause i see a series of 3 arms just in that small pic alone
But anyways, i cant seem to find a motor, and im kinda stuck on what to do now from here.
Anybody who has an S14 and some free time, you are MORE THAN WELCOME to open this area up, and put the fan on and press the buttons so you can see what controlls the air door, if its possible.
Post Title: Re: so this thingy seem to broke... help please (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: SketchyRollin564 at 2:24 PM 5/9/2008
pushed on the door with the actuator attached still, and didnt see the actuator move
right now im trying to take out the actuator (thing in the yellow)...
i can get that top screw facing me off, but i cant freaking figure out how to get the one facing down off for the life of me, the areas too small.... any ideas?
Post Title: Re: so this thingy seem to broke... help please (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: SketchyRollin564 at 4:26 PM 5/10/2008
it probably woulda been possible if i had a smaller ratchet, if they make em
so for now, does anyone else have any other ideas? i tryed using small needle nose pliers to grab the threaded side of the scerw and turn it, but it doesnt grip hard enough...
Modified by SketchyRollin564 at 12:39 AM 5/12/2008
Post Title: Re: so this thingy seem to broke... help please (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: SketchyRollin564 at 12:03 AM 5/12/2008
keep workin at it.
Post Title: Re: so this thingy seem to broke... help please (PorkChopExpress)
Posted by: SketchyRollin564 at 12:36 AM 5/12/2008
| Quote, originally posted by redtop91 » |
| You are more likely to get a reply if you stop making individual threads for every issue you have. Just make one that says fix Anthony's car for him. |
ummm, this is the first issue ive had lol
other than a thread i made about paint advice and advice with refinishing the wheels
| Quote, originally posted by 2ndnissan » |
| They do make short handles 1/4 ratchets...Is there room to get a long extension on from underneath? My mix door occasionally is doing the same thing..so I'll probably have to do this some time too. I'm holding off till I get a new a/c compressor though and mess with it all at once..... |
im gonna have to buy myself a smaller ratchet i guess if i can find one for cheap....
i used the long extention one, but the extention is too long and i cant get far enough down... if i had all that room then i woulda just used a normal screwdriver in the first place =(
good luck with yours, ill do a write up on how to fix this once its done
| Quote, originally posted by PorkChopExpress » |
| hahh i bet you repeatedly pressed the buttons watching it open and close till you broke it.
|
lmao i just pictured that in my head, like a little kid
but on the real, no, i didnt do that 
back when it worked and i was driving it, somtimes i would have to switch back and fourth through the buttons to get it to blow to my face, so i guess it was only a matter of time till this happened
anyways, spooled240 gave me some good advice
im gona use a voltage meter and check to see if that plug going to the motor is getting any power, so i know if the problem is in the wiring or the motor itself (most likely the motor though, since it slowly started to crap out on me)
im still trying to take out the actuator and find the motor so i can look at it closer...
anyone got any creative ideas on how to get out that bottom screw?
thanks to those who are trying to help
-sketch
Post Title: Re: so this thingy seem to broke... help please (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: redtop91 at 12:47 AM 5/12/2008
| Quote, originally posted by SketchyRollin564 » |
ummm, this is the first issue ive had lol other than a thread i made about paint advice and advice with refinishing the wheels |
Lies! You made one about the shift boot!
Post Title: Re: so this thingy seem to broke... help please (redtop91)
Posted by: SketchyRollin564 at 12:59 AM 5/12/2008
id rather make a thread and have to wait 5 days to get a response after bumping 20 times, but then eventually fix it for $5, then have to pay $1,000 to have the dealer ship do it
Post Title: Re: so this thingy seem to broke... help please (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: motoman399 at 1:29 AM 5/12/2008
| Quote, originally posted by SketchyRollin564 » |
anyone got any creative ideas on how to get out that bottom screw? thanks to those who are trying to help |
ya use a 1/4" box end wrench and a Phillips bit. and i have that whole unit out of the car... i just cut up my s14 and have a bunch of stuff for them. so tomorrow ill take pics of it and show you whats up with it. also if you end up needing parts i can ship whatever you need.
Post Title: Re: so this thingy seem to broke... help please (motoman399)
Posted by: SketchyRollin564 at 2:00 AM 5/12/2008
pshh im pulling off an all nighter so im trying that right now!
thanks for the idea!
edit: yeah i dont have any box end wrenches that are small enough to hold the phillips head....
my best be its do just attached to a 1/4 socket and use a big *** allen key if i can dig one up, or buy one
untill then, i guess thats the only way this is possible
Modified by SketchyRollin564 at 2:14 AM 5/12/2008
Post Title: Re: so this thingy seem to broke... help please (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: motoman399 at 1:25 AM 5/13/2008
this is what you need to mess with its on the driver side of the box. oh and your heater core is in the back of the box FYI
let me know if you have more questions or want more pics
Post Title: Re: so this thingy seem to broke... help please (motoman399)
Posted by: SketchyRollin564 at 6:38 AM 5/15/2008
that pic is fcking huge, so i have no clue wtf im looking it so i resized it in MS paint and i still have no clue wtf im looking at
area doesnt look familiar at all and i dont remember seeing any of that ****... so im guessing you pulled the whole thing out of the car?
right now the battery for the only flashlight in my house is dead, and its a wierd *** battery that i dont have another of... so i cant really see back there using my phone screen... any ideas? ill do my best to find that. Its not behind the air box, its next to it, right?
also, wtf is a heater core lol
Post Title: Re: so this thingy seem to broke... help please (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: blacksrjdm at 6:46 AM 5/15/2008
THERE ISNT ANYONE AROUND THIS GUY THAT CAN GIVE HIM A HAND? IF NOT TAKE IT TO SOMEONE. COME ONE U GOTTA KNOW WHAT A HEATER CORE IS.....?!
Post Title: Re: so this thingy seem to broke... help please (blacksrjdm)
Posted by: SketchyRollin564 at 7:11 AM 5/15/2008
either way though, the problem im dealing with is only mechanics, so i should be fine without any knowledge on how the air temperatures are produced.
I just gotta find that motor he circled, test the voltage to see if its even getting any power, then if it is, open up the motor and see what i can figure out, which at that point ill probably have to ask my dad for advice
but that aside, i ended up using this bright *** small lamp thing that i plugged in to an extention cord to see, and i scan see fine (if not better) than with that flashlight, but i looked all around the left, and i cant find that motor you circled. It doesnt look like theres much on the bottom left corner of that area anyways
to anybody else reading that might be able to help, heres a smaller picture of what he circled so you have a clue wtf your looking at maybe
anybody know where the fck this thing is?
Post Title: Re: so this thingy seem to broke... help please (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: brizanden at 8:31 AM 5/15/2008
| Quote, originally posted by brizanden » |
| looks like its on the rightside of that box u were taking pictures of earlier |
| Quote » |
| this is what you need to mess with its on the driver side of the box. oh and your heater core is in the back of the box FYI |
you sure? whatever ill check both.
Post Title: Re: so this thingy seem to broke... help please (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: SketchyRollin564 at 9:07 AM 5/15/2008
the thing i circled earlyer (not the thing he circled, but what i circled), which he said wasnt it, was on the right side of the box.
im really lost now
brizzenden, if you know where it is, pplleeeeeeeeeassse take a picture (or take one of mine) and circle the general area where it is lol, that would be super
Post Title: Re: so this thingy seem to broke... help please (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: brizanden at 10:00 AM 5/15/2008
, but goin off those pictures it looks like the same thing u were circling stuff off of before, but u have to take ur dash off and go to the right off it like on the pass side.Brizzendan... what? lol
Post Title:
Posted by: Kckouki at 2:23 PM 5/15/2008
I dont wanna have to take off the dash though, cuz i dont trust myself with the airbags being there and everything, so i guess im better off paying the dealer to do this, but then i guess that means ill be paying upwards of $1,000?
this is gayyyyy
Post Title:
Posted by: Kckouki at 3:00 PM 5/15/2008
Post Title: Re: (Kckouki)
Posted by: PorkChopExpress at 3:06 PM 5/15/2008
ok but seriously, ANY help greatly greatly bigly hugley a lot-ly appreciated, cuz id rather keep bumping this thread then have to pay what i would have to pay to go KA-T just to have air be able to blow in my face when the windows are up
Post Title: Re: (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: motoman399 at 6:11 PM 5/15/2008
the main question.. can i get to it without taking out the dash?
Post Title: Re: (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: motoman399 at 12:13 AM 5/16/2008
i dont know if you can access it from the in the car ill check tomorrow. for now im drunk and not going to check for you now lol. hope these pics clear things up a lil
Post Title: Re: (LEMHEAD16)
Posted by: OM3GA at 12:46 AM 5/16/2008
| Quote, originally posted by OM3GA » |
| The funny part is im actually using 56k |
that sucks man... lol i didnt know that stuff was still around haha jk jk
Post Title: Re: so this thingy seem to broke... help please (motoman399)
Posted by: 2ndnissan at 7:49 AM 5/16/2008
no motor swaps, modifying for you!!!
Post Title: Re: so this thingy seem to broke... help please (PorkChopExpress)
Posted by: SketchyRollin564 at 1:35 PM 5/16/2008
im gonna try pooping out the panel below the steering wheel and see if itl help, but you gotta remember, yours is a 13 and mine is a 14. I have airbags to worry about, you dont, plus the layout might be a little different
oh and pork chop, i dont think you got it right lol. i saw the whole assembly too, you can tell in my pictures, i just cant find the specific motor he is talking about
Post Title: Re: so this thingy seem to broke... help please (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: motoman399 at 1:40 PM 5/16/2008
The whole time i was trying to find the motor you circled, i was looking through the center console area, but the pictures helped a lot to let me know where it was
for anyone who wants to help or is bored, but doesnt wanna rip apart your center console, you dont need to
just pop your head undeneath your steering column and look into that area (but shine a flashlight to that area first, from the center), and youl see it
yep, its gonna be a ***** to get to.. so i gotta find out how to get out the bottom part of that column... anybody know?
Post Title: Re: so this thingy seem to broke... help please (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: SketchyRollin564 at 1:49 PM 5/16/2008
im just gonna go there and see what i can do
Post Title: Re: so this thingy seem to broke... help please (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: PorkChopExpress at 1:50 PM 5/16/2008
oh btw just pull the seat. mutch easier only takes 4 bolts.
Post Title: Re: so this thingy seem to broke... help please (PorkChopExpress)
Posted by: SketchyRollin564 at 2:04 PM 5/16/2008
Also for the trim under the steering column, theres the two screws closest to the pedals, i took those out.. so that side is loose, but its still on where it actually meets the steering column,
so im guessing either i have to take the bottom part OF the steering column out, or its just a pop in pop out deal? I dont wanna pull to hard if its not pop out, cause i dont wanna break anything, but i really dont wanna mess with the steering column cuz its getting really close to the air bag module thing, and since i dont really know what im doing here, i really dont want the airbag to go off in my face, or just period
so im gonna wait for sombodys advice here... anyone?
Post Title: Re: so this thingy seem to broke... help please (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: 2ndnissan at 2:58 PM 5/16/2008
as far as seeing down there, i had to put the seat and recline it all the way back, and lay down upside down to be able to see under there... i guess itl be way eaysyer to just take off the seat...
EDIT: k nvm i got the seat out, now theres just some ****ing wire attached from the floor to my seat... im guessing its just the weight sensor for the seatbelt alert thing?
it doesnt look like it can unplug, but it wouldnt make any sense not to.. im gonna go look at it again and update this once i get the seat out and look in that area
Modified by SketchyRollin564 at 3:28 PM 5/16/2008
Post Title: Re: so this thingy seem to broke... help please (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: 2ndnissan at 3:46 PM 5/16/2008
so i can see the area fine now, turned the car on, and brought the HVAC unit near me, and touched different buttons. When i hit the button to make it go ONLY to the face (meaning the feet air ducts would close up), air was still blowing down there, and yeah.
So i can see the motor not moving at all, however, it DOES look a little differnet then yours. somthin seems to be disconnected? im uploading pics now
Post Title: Re: so this thingy seem to broke... help please (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: SketchyRollin564 at 4:06 PM 5/16/2008
heres my resized pic of motomans unit (and dude... try to resize the pics you post lol, ill do it for you)
And heres mine
notifce how the thing circled appears to be different? Either somthings not connected and part of it fell down hanging off somthing, or its supposed to be like that when the door is in the closed position... anybody got anything? lol
heres another pic if it helps
and for poops in giggles... heres my little work area
(anyone know how i can get rid of that fresh scratch i made? 
)
So anyone know anything or have any suggestions about that thing being disconnected or whatever? Also, yeah the motor doesnt do anything when i hit the buttons, so im guessing the motor is just dead?
Any ways i could give it a little push, or jump start it again?
Looks like im almost done (i hope) and i dont have to take out the dash or take it to a dealer! 
Post Title: Re: so this thingy seem to broke... help please (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: 2ndnissan at 4:33 PM 5/16/2008
| Quote, originally posted by LEMHEAD16 » |
| I believe what you are looking at is called the blend door. check the actuator on it. It could be electric or vacuum operated (probably electric) Good luck probably have to take the dash out to get at it. |
Blend, or Mix door, which ever floats your boat. It's electric...
Post Title: Re: (H8tred)
Posted by: SketchyRollin564 at 5:03 PM 5/16/2008
im pretty sure the motor is dead.. if not maybe its stuck or somthing.. so im trying to get some ideas first
Post Title: Re: so this thingy seem to broke... help please (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: 2ndnissan at 5:04 PM 5/16/2008
i dont want to buy one at the junkyard ijf that might be dead as well, or about to die. Am i fine if i just go to the dealer and ask to get one, but i install it myself?
Post Title: Re: so this thingy seem to broke... help please (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: redtop91 at 6:22 PM 5/16/2008
let me know if you go to the junk yard, i need a bunch o parts. we can carpool. your mom can drive us.
im goin to be around the palmatto and 441 area for a little while.
Post Title: Re: so this thingy seem to broke... help please (redtop91)
Posted by: SketchyRollin564 at 10:24 PM 5/17/2008
| Quote, originally posted by redtop91 » |
| My arms are WAVES of LIGHTNING! |
Post Title: Re: so this thingy seem to broke... help please (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: redtop91 at 10:26 PM 5/17/2008
| Quote, originally posted by PorkChopExpress » |
| take if out and give it a good lookin at. thats kinda a low usage part ,maybe it just jumped off the tracks.
im goin to be around the palmatto and 441 area for a little while. |
palmetto and 441? i live like right there lol
but pshhh, you have an RB powered kouki, id rather ride in that *****
i guess i can try to take that part out, but its a ***** to get into that area, even with my fcking seat out
anyways, lemme go look at it and see if i can even get it out or anything
Post Title: Re: so this thingy seem to broke... help please (2ndnissan)
Posted by: SketchyRollin564 at 10:52 PM 5/17/2008
| Quote, originally posted by 2ndnissan » |
| More than likely you'll need a motor. You could tap that one and maybe jar something loose but electrical motors have windings or bushings that wear out. It should make some kind of noise when you move the switch to different positions. A tap isn't going to keep it going . |
this dude was telling me his passenger window motor stopped working, so he took it out, opend it up, and spun it around, and when he put it back in it was working again... so im thinking i might not NEED to replace it
Post Title: Re: so this thingy seem to broke... help please (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: PorkChopExpress at 10:55 PM 5/17/2008
it only gets harder. a simple fpr removal for me changed into me yelling and throwing tools. still havent fixed it.
Post Title: Re: so this thingy seem to broke... help please (PorkChopExpress)
Posted by: SketchyRollin564 at 11:17 PM 5/17/2008
my friends like "yo anthony look its your favorite car!" by sandal foot turning from 441 onto orial country road? i was trying to catch up to you and was freaking out when i saw that **** lol
that you?
Post Title: Re: so this thingy seem to broke... help please (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: PorkChopExpress at 11:31 PM 5/17/2008
dont drive it to far cause it doesnt have insurance or exhaust, or vacuum to brake booster.how the hell do you afford a kouki and an RB, but not insurance, exhaust, or anything haha
hit me up on aim - sketchyrollin564
Post Title: Re: so this thingy seem to broke... help please (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: sebazztard at 12:28 AM 5/18/2008
pluis what section would you go to to find this ****?
Post Title: Re: so this thingy seem to broke... help please (sebazztard)
Posted by: sebazztard at 12:38 AM 5/18/2008
i turned the car on again, and noticed this
id hit the button to make it go to only the face... silent
button to make it go only to feet (which is currently the only vent open).. silent
but when i hit the button to make it go to both the face and the feet... i heard a little click, and nothing else after that
it wasnt loud, and nothing moved (not even a little), but just a tiny little click noise
could this mean anything, or help in any way to figure out what the problem is?
Post Title: Re: so this thingy seem to broke... help please (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: SketchyRollin564 at 3:11 PM 5/18/2008
when i hit the button to make it go to the windows (the one on the right, with the red light on the bottom instead of green), the door for the foot vent closes up, and when i click the thing to go to the foot again, it open back up
BUT, for some reason, it still wont open up the door for the vents that go to your upper body
so... i guess the motor still works (or part of it does?) and somthing else is the problem... anybody got anything?
Post Title: Re: so this thingy seem to broke... help please (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: SketchyRollin564 at 4:59 PM 5/18/2008
i really dont think the motor, if it partially works
Post Title: Re: so this thingy seem to broke... help please (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: SketchyRollin564 at 9:07 PM 5/18/2008
| Quote, originally posted by SketchyRollin564 » |
this dude was telling me his passenger window motor stopped working, so he took it out, opend it up, and spun it around, and when he put it back in it was working again... so im thinking i might not NEED to replace it |
who me? 
but yeah that is what happened to me, I think the electric motor got seized and needed a "jump start"
bump I'll talk to you on aim, it's much easier.
Post Title:
Posted by: spooled240 at 9:51 PM 5/18/2008
motor works so that is out of the question, it is definitely a CONNECTION issue I'd say...I would look for fried wires, circuits or fuses going to the motor and the buttons that DON'T work. Also a short circuit somewhere would pop fuses and mess things up.
Post Title: Re: (spooled240)
Posted by: SketchyRollin564 at 10:17 PM 5/18/2008
anyone wanna help out here? lol
Post Title:
Posted by: spooled240 at 5:13 PM 5/19/2008
if I were in your position, I would just start taking the whole thing apart and dig deeper for some fried wires, etc...If you do decide to take it apart make sure you don't lose any screws and have a good idea of how it goes back together. You might not want to do this but, I'm just saying if it were me.
Post Title: Re: (spooled240)
Posted by: SketchyRollin564 at 7:19 PM 5/19/2008
i would start taking it apart, but to play around with tht motor holy **** its the most uncomfortable position ever, plus its attached to so much stuff so id have to really know what im doing
what i dont get though... the motors not dead, because itl move the foot door, but it wont move the door for the duct that goes to the upper body
any other ideas on what the problem might be?
Post Title: Re: (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: brizanden at 7:26 PM 5/19/2008
you know where i live?
i live in FLAWDA!!!
YEAH SON!!!!!
but on the real... hell no, its wayy to ****ing hot and humid in florida, specially in the summer. And i dont wanna hve to payu $12,500 just to have my AC fixed, so no thanks
i already got this far, so im sure theres sombody on here who can give some advice on what to do next
Post Title: Re: (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: SketchyRollin564 at 4:02 PM 5/20/2008
recap so people dont have to keep scrolling through
found out the motor works, ill hit the buttons for the window (on the right), and itl close the door for the feet, and then ill hit the feet button, and itl open it back up again.
still wont move, or even make any noise when i hit the buttons to move the door for the duct that shoots air to the upper body....
SOOOO, i know the motors still working, but somthings wrong, and i have no idea what it might be
whos got any ideas?
Post Title: Re: (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: kornaz at 6:13 PM 5/20/2008
| Quote, originally posted by SketchyRollin564 » |
| So are you saying the connection from the car plug to the unit, or connection inside the unit? |
Both. Also, what motoman said.
Post Title:
Posted by: Dattebayo at 7:45 PM 5/20/2008
and idk if its the hvac control unit, and im not gonna waste money to buy a new one for no reason
maybe if i could find sombody nearby with an s14 and ask if i can plug theirs in or somthing... idk
theres a dude on a local forum selling his hvac controll box for $25, if thats my last resort, but i doubt thats the problem, and im gonna have a hard time selling it if its not the problem
Post Title:
Posted by: Kckouki at 11:08 PM 5/20/2008
| Quote, originally posted by SketchyRollin564 » |
| a test light.. i could use a multimeter instead right? my dads got one i can borrow, so that should be fine |
yes you can use a multi meter but a test light is like 8 bucks and is so simple to use. you take the alligator clip and clip it onto a metal piece of the body somewhere (a ground) then take the pointy part and stick it in wires and if there is a light then you have power. so much easier to use than a multi meter. i strongly suggest it to you
Post Title: Re: (Kckouki)
Posted by: motoman399 at 12:02 AM 5/21/2008
| Quote, originally posted by motoman399 » |
| i though it was kinda rude.... but thats just me |
Pffftt...... Sketchy and me are butt buddy's.
He is the receiver.
Post Title: Re: (Kckouki)
Posted by: sebazztard at 12:23 AM 5/21/2008
oh hell no haha| Quote, originally posted by sebazztard » |
| +100000 on the test light, you wouldnt belive how this saved my ***. you really need to learn how to diagnose properly. people are telling you how to check things and you arent listening. buy a test light, learn how to use the fsm and you are good to go. honestly bro, its a matter of listening and doing a bit of research. spend the money on a new unit, or spend like 6-8 bux on a test light at walmart and check to see if you have circuits when you press buttons. if you dont know how to use a test lamp, do research on that. if you dont have any power going to your hvac, how is a new one going to fix the problem? i hope you figure this out, im on your side , not trying to be a dick |
please take our word!! get to learnin.
Post Title: Re: (sebazztard)
Posted by: SketchyRollin564 at 2:45 PM 5/21/2008
| Quote, originally posted by motoman399 » |
yes you can use a multi meter but a test light is like 8 bucks and is so simple to use. you take the alligator clip and clip it onto a metal piece of the body somewhere (a ground) then take the pointy part and stick it in wires and if there is a light then you have power. so much easier to use than a multi meter. i strongly suggest it to you |
oh ****, i can get em at like walmart or somthing right? that sounds way easyer, so im gonna try to get one tonight.
idk much about wiring though.. so i wouldnt know how to check the connection for the reciever in the HVAC if its not plugged into power, or however id do it.
| Quote, originally posted by sebazztard » |
| +100000 on the test light, you wouldnt belive how this saved my ***. you really need to learn how to diagnose properly. people are telling you how to check things and you arent listening. buy a test light, learn how to use the fsm and you are good to go. honestly bro, its a matter of listening and doing a bit of research. spend the money on a new unit, or spend like 6-8 bux on a test light at walmart and check to see if you have circuits when you press buttons. if you dont know how to use a test lamp, do research on that. if you dont have any power going to your hvac, how is a new one going to fix the problem? i hope you figure this out, im on your side , not trying to be a dick |
not trying to sound defensive, but people havnt really told me anything that i didnt go out and try. its not like anybody is really reading this or trying to give me advice in the first place. 2 of the 4 pages are probably just "bump"
to the ones who are trying to help though (you, motoman, spooled (on aim), 2nd nissan), i really appreciate it.
havnt seen any suggestions so far that i havnt tryed besides the test light, but im gonna try that tonight once i can get one.
as far as the matter of listening and doing research. Id listen if people posted up stuff to listen to, and i dont really know where i can research this stuff
but anyways, thanks for helpin out, ill get a test light tonight and update the thread assuming i can figure out how to use it
Post Title: Re: (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: motoman399 at 5:45 PM 5/21/2008
they had a continuity tester, and some voltage meters. I figured the continuity tester mighta been it, since it had two aligator clips like you described, and a light, but i asked the guy so i could learn and make sure. I told him my situation, and he said the continuity tester isnt gonna tell me powers going out, but only to find where a break in the wire is
Voltage meter doesnt seem like it, and sombody on here said its way more complicated, the light is way easyer
are you sure its called "test light", and theres not another name for it?
Post Title: Re: (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: SketchyRollin564 at 5:22 PM 5/22/2008
check sfldrifters.com, and post a WTB add
but yeah dude, during or after the weekend somtime if i can borrow it thatd be sick
Post Title: Re: (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: SketchyRollin564 at 9:06 PM 5/23/2008
you sure theres not another name for it
Post Title: Re: (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: motoman399 at 9:59 PM 5/23/2008
*edit* heres a random clip i found on youtube ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZvLX__pwspg
so on the probe part, connect into the hvac and turn switches to see if it lights up.
kinda like this link
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...lated
Modified by sebazztard at 10:26 PM 5/23/2008
Post Title: Re: (sebazztard)
Posted by: motoman399 at 11:48 AM 5/24/2008
at lowes they had a basic continuity tester for under $3.00, but they had no clue wtf a test light was
i dont wanna beg my mom to take me to walmart for no reason
Post Title: Re: (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: sebazztard at 12:55 PM 5/24/2008
Post Title: Re: (sebazztard)
Posted by: SketchyRollin564 at 3:54 PM 5/25/2008
either way tho, i picked up a little pack at walmart so its all good
let you know what happens
Post Title: Re: (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: SketchyRollin564 at 4:54 PM 5/25/2008
also, i know its a common question, but i searched nico and google for a good 15 minutes and couldnt find it, but does anyone know where i can find a downloadable factory service manual? thanks
Post Title:
Posted by: Kckouki at 5:00 PM 5/25/2008
Get on aim.
Post Title: Re: (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: Kckouki at 5:03 PM 5/25/2008
| Quote, originally posted by SketchyRollin564 » |
| I would be able to use the metal thing that holds the head unit as a ground for the test light, right? also, i know its a common question, but i searched nico and google for a good 15 minutes and couldnt find it, but does anyone know where i can find a downloadable factory service manual? thanks |
http://www.240edge.com/manuals/usdm-cars.html
http://www.240edge.com/manuals/240sx-1995.html
Post Title: Re: (Kckouki)
Posted by: SketchyRollin564 at 5:27 PM 5/25/2008
ill check out the FSM tommarow, also i cant get the thing to light up cause i cant find a ground or im not doing it right, anyone got any advice?
Post Title: Re: (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: SketchyRollin564 at 6:16 PM 5/26/2008
the air mix door was working again, i was like happy as balls. After five minutes though, it decided it wanted to stop working again. I seriously dont know what the fck to do
i have the test lights, and i found a ground to hook it up to, but i dont know where to check. On the white plug for the HVAC switches, the end two dont light up, so my guess is those are ground?
what else can i check for.
Post Title: Re: (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: SketchyRollin564 at 2:10 PM 5/27/2008
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...lated
i watched that video again, and thats pretty much what i did, but how would i know which ones are supposed to have continuity and which arent?
also, how would i do it, if the hvac is plugged in?
Post Title:
Posted by: Kckouki at 7:16 PM 5/27/2008
as far as a college class... im only 16 bro lol
my dads pretty good with this stuff, so hes been helping me a tiny bit when he can, but he thinks its a mechanical problem and not electrical. i still wanna check to see if its an electrical or connection issue first though, cause its not good to take out the motor and put it back together, or get a new one, if its still not gonna work cause of a stupid switch.
he agrees with me that its better to do it ourselves cause the dealer is gonna rape us on this one, and he thinks its cool that im learning and ive already gotten this far
im gonna be persistant on this one, so im still willing to take any advice you guys throw my way, but i really wanna check if its the electrical, but how do i do that?
read a few posts up as far as what ive tried so far with the test light
Post Title:
Posted by: Devilstar at 3:24 PM 5/28/2008
)the test light, while a good idea... doesnt help **** if he is just randomly poking wires...
you need to get really systematic with this man... so get good and comfertable in your inverted gandi postion... pick a singel wire in the hvac control unit.. and make sure the power is on to the car ( IE key is turned to the point where the windows will roll down if its got power windows.. if not... one click before it trys to turn over.. ) and push each control button ( IE feetize.. face-ie, bothie etc etc.. ) and leave it on a single setting for a few seconds.. if no lights.. push the next button down the line.... if you get no light at all for any of the buttons or fan control switch ( just so you know what wire you got poked try all the controls ) move onto the next until you find the one your after...
let me know what you come up with...
Post Title: Re: (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: SketchyRollin564 at 3:30 PM 5/28/2008
idk which of the three plugs for the HVAC goes to the directional switches
but **** im dying to try this now
Post Title: Re: (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: Devilstar at 3:33 PM 5/28/2008
okay so i got pictures.. lets start easy:
now this should be what your looking at when you start.
this is where you are going to connect the alligator clip that is on the test lamp ( it should work just fine ) this is under the shift boot..
now just from looking at the back of the controls i can tell that the connector on the left ( not shown in this picture ) is most likely power in and fan controls only.... the wires you need to test are all the one on the two connectors on the right.. follow the slow test method ( i stated above ) and you should hopefully see some results... its a lot of wires... a ton to be honest... if i knew you could ( not being rude, i just know you wouldnt have a clue ) i would recommend looking at the wiring diagram for this out of the....... wait for it..... FSM <~ best buddy to any car guy or gal...
this process is going to take you a while... so dont make any plans...
Modified by Devilstar at 3:58 PM 5/28/2008
Post Title: Re: (Devilstar)
Posted by: SketchyRollin564 at 3:49 PM 5/28/2008
P.S. somebody owes me a beer lol...
let me know if i can help in any other way man....
EDIT:
okay so i am a little nervous to make sure you are testing right...
this should be similar to your test.. once you get the ground hooked up as shown in the picture... you take the sharp end and stab the wire... make sure you break through the coating on it.. or you wont get a light at all... the metal tip has to touvh the copper on the inside of the wire.. if that makes sense...
Post Title: Re: (Devilstar)
Posted by: SketchyRollin564 at 4:17 PM 5/28/2008
none of the other ones are showin up
Post Title: Re: (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: Devilstar at 4:23 PM 5/28/2008
here are links in the same order
http://img.photobucket.com/alb...e.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/alb...y.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/alb...t.jpg
Post Title: Re: (Devilstar)
Posted by: SketchyRollin564 at 4:31 PM 5/28/2008
how to i poke the wires tho? not like that, but like when i poke them nothing lights up, but thats because they are insulated with the color thing
Post Title: Re: (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: Devilstar at 4:36 PM 5/28/2008
| Quote, originally posted by SketchyRollin564 » |
| i already found a working ground, but thats a good place to know how to i poke the wires tho? not like that, but like when i poke them nothing lights up, but thats because they are insulated with the color thing |
yep, and thats why the end of your test light should be sharp.. to stab through the seathing on it.. dont worry you wont hurt anything.. just becarful.. because it really f'in hurts to poke your finger with those things 
Post Title:
Posted by: tonynalli at 4:39 PM 5/28/2008
| Quote, originally posted by tonynalli » |
| This is by far the stupidest and longest thread i have ever seen. Kid you need to do your own research. Ive seen you ask questions that would get anybody else flamed or banned, i think that people are going easy on you cause your like 14 or something |
hes sixteen man... and yeah hes askin question in probably the most dangerous place to do so.... but most of us had someone there to help us local... he might not.. or they may not be available to help...
i know its over played but we were all newbs once
Post Title: Re: (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: PorkChopExpress at 4:51 PM 5/28/2008
| Quote, originally posted by tonynalli » |
| This is by far the stupidest and longest thread i have ever seen. Kid you need to do your own research. Ive seen you ask questions that would get anybody else flamed or banned, i think that people are going easy on you cause your like 14 or something |
Chill man, not everybody is born knowing everything. Ive never really needed to know stuff about electricity till now, so im learning everything at once, from knowing not sh*t. Theres not really anywhere i can do research on air mix doors not working
im reading the FSM but theres still things that are a little unclear for both me and me dad, but im trying
how would asking questions about this get other people banned?
Post Title: Re: (PorkChopExpress)
Posted by: SketchyRollin564 at 5:58 PM 5/28/2008
| Quote, originally posted by PorkChopExpress » |
| wow. Your making my head hurt. Pull the assembly and make sure it works. It may work off and on because there is a dead spot on the armature. If you move the motor the brushes are off the dead spot and it works a again for a little bit. If the assembly works then you have to trace the wires back and make sure there are no broke connectors or dead switches. If that doesn't work I want you to beat your head repeditly agenst your dash untill you get vision of what's wrong |
the assembly doesnt seem possible to pull unless i take out the dash, which i definatley do NOT wanna do
and dont get mad, but idk how i can see if theres broken connectors or dead switches
Post Title: Re: (Devilstar)
Posted by: SketchyRollin564 at 6:02 PM 5/28/2008
| Quote, originally posted by Devilstar » |
yep, and thats why the end of your test light should be sharp.. to stab through the seathing on it.. dont worry you wont hurt anything.. just becarful.. because it really f'in hurts to poke your finger with those things |
the one i have is like a flat head screwdriver at the tip, so id have to use wiere stripper to get beyond the insulation (as far as i know), and i dont wanna do that on every single wire
wierd tho... never knew it was supposed to stab through
edit: just checked again, its a different one thats a flat head, this ones pretty damn pointy, so ill have to check this later on tonight when i get home
Post Title: Re: (Devilstar)
Posted by: SketchyRollin564 at 8:20 PM 5/28/2008
also, before i waste too much time, i have the FSM saved on my computer, but i really dont understand how to read the wiring diagrams. What is it im looking for?
Post Title: Re: (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: motoman399 at 12:03 AM 5/29/2008
| Quote, originally posted by SketchyRollin564 » |
| as far as a college class... im only 16 bro lol |
| Quote, originally posted by SketchyRollin564 » |
| but i really dont understand how to read the wiring diagrams |
confuses the hell outta me too.. if i had more time i would try to help you more. but i just started a new job. sorry dude
Post Title:
Posted by: Devilstar at 10:32 AM 5/29/2008
itd be easyer to move it around if i could get the black plugs out. ive gotten em out before a couple times, but for some reason, they do not want to come off this time, i tryed a coupe days ago, and spent like 10 fcking minutes yesterday, and neither of them will come off
idk god really doesnt want me to fix this
Post Title: Re: (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: Devilstar at 4:59 PM 5/29/2008
i hate to say it man but if you dont want to be digging through the dash, maybe its time to vist it the dealership...it would be a different story if i was closer... but i am kinda on the other side of the country
Post Title: Re: (Devilstar)
Posted by: motoman399 at 6:09 PM 5/29/2008
i really wish it had it though
and yeah, i know you gotta undo the tabs, but as far as i push em in, and as hard as i try to pull it out, this thing is being a little biiitch
ive done it before so its not like i dont know how to do it.. but im about ready to melt the plastic off with a lighter
Post Title: Re: (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: PorkChopExpress at 8:23 PM 5/29/2008
but im gonna try again to pull that gay *** harness to the switches out and see what i can figure out based on what devilstar is saying
and....
| Quote, originally posted by PorkchopExpress » |
| Send me a email and I will give you my number. Put on some fishnets clear boots and have icecream in hand. |
Post Title: Re: (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: sebazztard at 9:35 PM 5/29/2008
| Quote, originally posted by sebazztard » |
| k, on page 52, it says to unplug the harness going to the door unit and test the points. this is unfortunatly using a multimeter. the first test is to see if you have around 12 v on the first lead. you "may" get away with just using your test lamp on this. if you have power, or if your lamp lights up, then go to step 2, if it doesnt light up check your 7.5 amp fuse on the fuse block. step 2, check the other pin on the same harness for continuity. then we check the push button harness (hvac, heat/ac, etc). unplug that hanress, and test the points indicated in the pic. if we dont have continuity , we have a prob with the harness or the connector. if we do have continuity...go on to next page and this is where i stop spoon feeding, and i hope you catch on by now! lol. its not too difficult, just gotta understand what your reading. |
I have a multimeter i borrowed from my dad, so i can use that. What i dont understand is a lot of the vocab or terminolagy or whatever you wanna call it
Its saying Do aproximatley 12 volts exist between air mix door motor harness terminal No. (a + with a circle around it) and body ground?
I have no clue what "No. +" means '
Im guessing by the diagram its the little box on the bottom row, second from left?
And, im gonna take a wild guess that im gonna hold down the negative prob to a ground somewhere?
Whats preventing me from trying a lot of this is just not knowing what some of this stuff means.
If my guesses are right tho, ill go ahead and try that lol.... am i right?
Post Title: Re: (blacksrjdm)
Posted by: SketchyRollin564 at 1:49 PM 5/30/2008
| Quote, originally posted by blacksrjdm » |
| Dude, put the car back together, take the car to the local Nissan dealer. and pay a qualified technician to fix it. This thread should not be 5 pages long. I understand U want to do it yourself, but, U simply do not have a clue where to start here. Take a step back, swallow your pride, and take it to a dealer. |
Yeah i wanted to do that, but there gonna charge me wayyy too much money for it, and i dont have that. and...
what pride? lmao
i wanna fix it because i dont have enough money to pay sombody else to do it, and i guess this would be a good way to teach me basicis of electrical stuff for my car, cause eventually more problems are gonna happen, and itd be great to have a clue what to do on the next ones
everyones gotta start somewhere right?
Post Title: Re: (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: SketchyRollin564 at 2:07 PM 5/30/2008
part of this is because some ATS security chip thing was installed by the previous owner, and a lot of the wire clutter is located right where the harness for the air mix door would probably be
alot of **** is ziptied together and its really hard to see whats what
theres a pic of mine, anybody know where it is? i was guessing it was the thing on the bottom, but it doesnt look like i can take that out, and i cant see any tabs, which always seem to be on every freaking part on this car
Post Title: Re: (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: Devilstar at 8:47 PM 5/30/2008
second thought... pay a neighbor kid an otter pop to sit in your pass. seat and push the vent control buttons on the dash... see if the arm highlighted in red moves... then try moving the one highlighted in yellow... they may just need to be reconnected
Post Title: Re: (Devilstar)
Posted by: SketchyRollin564 at 9:49 PM 5/30/2008
Post Title: Re: (Devilstar)
Posted by: 2ndnissan at 4:13 PM 6/1/2008
I can push buttons all day long with the harness(it's a dark brown plug) connected. Occasionally the tan lever moves. When I took the motor off after just a minute of operation it was screaming hot. This should not be! I have located four of these motors and will be picking up one for mine on Tuesday. Take yours off and test it like I did. Reattach the plug after taking it off and run it through each button. I KNOW my linkage is all ok because you can move it up manually by pushing on the chrome colored part of the linkage. The forward part of the dash is the most upward position the linkage goes to so as the motor weakens it just doesn't push far enough to get the linkage to that position. My linkage in the "defrost " position..
My linkage in the "face" position 
Blend motor plug
The dangling rod swings up and to the right towards front of dash..it's the one that was attached to the tan lever and motor...
I would remove the motor first then manually move the levers to completely eliminate the linkage as a problem. Mine will definitely require a motor. Be glad to pick up a motor for you Tuesday if you discover it's the motor.
Modified by 2ndnissan at 4:50 PM 6/1/2008
Modified by 2ndnissan at 4:58 PM 6/1/2008
Post Title: Re: (2ndnissan)
Posted by: SketchyRollin564 at 6:42 PM 6/1/2008
its so confusing
Post Title: Re: (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: 2ndnissan at 7:50 PM 6/1/2008
alright sweet, keep me updated, and thanks
Post Title: Re: (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: blacksrjdm at 7:10 AM 6/2/2008
S13 might be a bit different (the motor and linkage systems sure look way different)
still gotta find time to go in there and fumble through all the wire clutter and unplug the harness, test the voltage while im at that, and if the voltage is fine, then find out a way to take out the motor and asssembly
edit: yeah, just looked inthere, and it seems impossible to take out with the dash still in-tact, because the motor is connected to soo many different things
i guess i could start unscrewing joints of the linkage, but that totaly kills being able to check for a linkage issue, and plus im not sure i would remember how to put everything back together if i start going this far
how did you get your motor out?
Post Title: Re: (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: 2ndnissan at 10:59 AM 6/2/2008
Oh yeah..I tore my motor apart. Tiny electric motor with a shaft on it that has a gear. That turns a series of plastic gears. That in turn moves the lever . Would be possible that gears stripped and caused the inconsistent operation.
Update: I changed my motor today and everything is fine. Sketchy..it's the motor...Bite the bullet. it took me a total of 45 minutes to do this and that included taking the motor off the parts car.
Modified by 2ndnissan at 11:52 AM 6/3/2008
Post Title: Re: (2ndnissan)
Posted by: blacksrjdm at 8:35 AM 6/3/2008
THE ACTUATOR THAT I SEE VERY CLEARLY IN THE PICTURE IS REMOVED BY TWO SCREWS AND REMOVE THE ONE LINKAGE ATTACHED TO THE ACTUATOR. THEN GET A NEW ONE AND PUT IT BACK...PROBLEM SOLVED.
Post Title: Re: (blacksrjdm)
Posted by: SketchyRollin564 at 3:13 PM 6/5/2008
How much is a new motor at the dealership? or is that not where to get it
Post Title: Re: (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: SketchyRollin564 at 10:33 PM 6/5/2008
the thing will move SOMTIMES only when the engine is on
i got it to do it today (and i put my interior back together too), and i just left i like that, so now its at my face and my feet 
and so when i dont want it at my face i guess i just point it away
so ill be fine for now, but i still wanna get a new motor so i can defrost when i need to and stuff. where do you get em?
Post Title:
Posted by: Devilstar at 2:41 AM 6/6/2008
how much would it be new? id rather not get a used one, just to have the same problem happen again in a year or two
Post Title: Re: (SketchyRollin564)
Posted by: 2ndnissan at 7:35 PM 6/7/2008
< Contact Us - NICO
>
Visit G37Driver.com for Infiniti G37 Information
NICOclub's Nissan forums and Infiniti forums and all affiliated sites are the property of HDS Holdings, Inc.
They are independent publications and are not affiliated with or endorsed by Nissan Motor Company or Nissan North America.
Information © Copyright © 2000-2009 by NICOclub
All rights reserved. Material may not be copied or reprinted without written permission.
Visit 370zclub.org for Nissan 370z Information