well here's the situation, i bought this 89 240sx with a blown motor and bad auto tranny, so i am swapping the motor out, and dropping in another ka24e i bought from a local guy, and a 5 speed swap...
Materials i have, if i'm missing anything let me know!
-5 speed transmission w/ shifter
-5 speed cross member
-5 speed drive shaft non abs
-clutch kit (exedy)
-clutch master and slave cylinder (nabaco)
-clutch pedal and brake pedal
-clutch hardline and softline
-m/t mount
i already have the flywheel bolts, since the flywheel came with the engine i bought and its bolted on...
do i need any other bolts other than the m/t flywheel bolts? .. im not quite sure what bolts to use for the Master or slave cylinder
also anyone have any tips for me, removing the brake pedal seems tough.. so im going to do that first thing tomorrow.. advice would be appreciated.
also what is the best way to remove the 4 bolts on the drive shaft near the differential? .. sockets didn't seem to go on there good enough, so i'm guessing just a regular wrench?
and last question, where is the drain bolt for the transmission oil pan? i thought it would of been on the bottom of it.. but i didn't see any drain bolts (16mm) on the bottom :S..
heres some PICS! 
excuse the gay rims :P got some se's i need to put some tires on lol
ahh and this is the transmission oil pan right?
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift)
Posted by: YOUNG240SX at 1:41 AM 4/27/2008
| Quote, originally posted by YOUNG240SX » |
| pressure plate bolt? |
I missed those when I did mine.
Here's my recommendations.
- Bell housing bolts and nuts
- Clutch hardline bracket & clip
- Exhaust bracket that goes from tranny mount to cat
- New throwout bearing
- Rear main seal
- Tranny front and rear seals
- Weather/shifter boots
I removed steering shaft and it was easy to swap brake pedal.
Yes, use regular wrench for the drive shaft.
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (94_240sx)
Posted by: okinawa drift at 11:25 AM 4/27/2008
| Quote, originally posted by 94_240sx » |
I missed those when I did mine.
- Bell housing bolts and nuts I removed steering shaft and it was easy to swap brake pedal. Yes, use regular wrench for the drive shaft. |
hmm, can you use the a/t bolts to the belhousing? or do you need to get bolts from a m/t?
and, are the seals hard to get off? do you need some special tool to get em off?
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Posted by: pflicht at 11:27 AM 4/27/2008
| Quote, originally posted by darens13 » |
| im gonna do a 5 speed swap sometime in the near future and i was curious, how much did all the parts cost? |
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Posted by: okinawa drift at 11:56 AM 4/27/2008
i'll be posting up more pics today!
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Posted by: 94_240sx at 12:05 PM 4/27/2008
i just got pretty much everything i needed today for the 5 speed swap.. except a cross member, if im missing something let me know
i am going to need to find someone selling m/t bellhousing bolts
..im lacking some tools though.. haha like a hole saw... lol
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift)
Posted by: okinawa drift at 9:34 PM 4/27/2008
should i rip that out? ... i already tried and bent the wall behind it slightly... wtf is that? this normal?
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Posted by: drunkNun at 9:42 PM 4/27/2008
| Quote, originally posted by okinawa drift » |
| everything cost me about.. hmm $400-500ish i'll be posting up more pics today! |
| Quote, originally posted by okinawa drift » |
| hmm is the holes for the Master cylinder supposed to have that THING sticking out like that? should i rip that out? ... i already tried and bent the wall behind it slightly... wtf is that? this normal?
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anyone know? lol
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Posted by: spooled240 at 12:14 AM 4/28/2008
is this swap gonna cost you 4-500 for the grand total? If so that's not a bad deal, especially since s-chassis auto cars are usually at least a grand or two cheaper than m/t's. Very interesting!
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Posted by: mrgreeneyes at 12:18 AM 4/28/2008
| Quote, originally posted by okinawa drift » |
anyone know? lol |
Check out my write up. They work as a guide for bolts that go from clutch pedal bracket to clutch master cylinder.
http://forums.nicoclub.com/zer...age=8
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift)
Posted by: 94_240sx at 12:26 PM 4/28/2008
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Remove the dampener line that's attached the lower portion of clutch hardline. Connect hard line directly to the slave cylinder soft line.
From the picture, you are missing the weather boot and retainer for the shifter.
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (94_240sx)
Posted by: okinawa drift at 4:36 PM 4/28/2008
also what kind of greese would you reccomend to use for the transmission seals, and pretty much everything that needs greese...
multi purpose grease?
also heres a pic of my clutch pedal.. damn
im missing that clip that goes in the hole under the white hole where the screw goes, if you know what im talking about...
would my clip from my auto brake pedal fit ?
also how much did it cost you for the new bushing?
Modified by okinawa drift at 7:23 PM 4/28/2008
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift)
Posted by: 94_240sx at 9:10 PM 4/28/2008
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| ****, your right... damnit, are those really important? or can i live with out them |
You mean weather boot? You need it for sure otherwise heat, smell, water and noise will get into the cabin and becomes very annoying.
I have both lithium and multi purpose grease. I used multi purpose grease for all the seals and lithium grease for mechanical parts like release fork, throw out bearing...etc. They are pretty cheap.
I bought a new clutch pedal which was about $40-50, but you can give it a shot of weld just like hijacker did. Problem is... that area is covered with grease, so people overlook it. Bushings are super cheap like a couple of bucks.
You are talking about 'Clevis Pin.' Yes, you can use one from automatic brake pedal. They are same.
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (94_240sx)
Posted by: okinawa drift at 9:21 PM 4/28/2008
hey man you have aim? you seem to have the answer to all my questions :D
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Posted by: fairzdrift at 10:00 PM 4/28/2008
| Quote, originally posted by okinawa drift » |
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also in this pic is my dust cover missing?
or is that bronze part the dust cover?
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Posted by: Asmar at 3:04 AM 4/29/2008
| Quote, originally posted by okinawa drift » |
hey man you have aim? you seem to have the answer to all my questions :D |
Sorry, don't have AIM.
Yeah, dust cover is there. That's 3rd different kind I've seen on s-chassis tranny. I found another missing piece. Where's the driveshaft? Driveshaft from automatic s13 won't work.
I should have bought the bolts from this guy. I got mine from dealership and the longest bell housing bolt was no longer available. You can buy from hardware store, but I doubt the quality.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...ZWDVW
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...ZWDVW
I think I'll post a complete list of 5 speed swap parts in 5 speed swap thread soon.
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (94_240sx)
Posted by: okinawa drift at 8:12 AM 4/29/2008
hmm, how much did a new pedal cost you.. just the pedal? .. im thinking about just going to the dealership and ordering new bellhousing bolts and new pedal plus bushing, spring and all that...
oh and i think im missing the retainer spring to my transmission... where can i find one of those?
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift)
Posted by: 94_240sx at 9:30 AM 4/29/2008
| Quote, originally posted by okinawa drift » |
| sweet! ahh i have a non abs 5 speed driveshaft already, i just forgot to put that in the pic! |
cool.
| Quote, originally posted by okinawa drift » |
| hmm, how much did a new pedal cost you.. just the pedal? .. im thinking about just going to the dealership and ordering new bellhousing bolts and new pedal plus bushing, spring and all that... |
I think it was like $40-50 including tax. I get some discount though. It's 46540 and some small stuff comes with it.
http://www.courtesyparts.com/b....html
Like I said, the longest bell housing bolt(75mm) is no longer available, so you have to get it from a hardware store. Check this thread for the bolts part numbers.
http://my240.epijunkie.com/Aut..._body.
| Quote, originally posted by okinawa drift » |
| oh and i think im missing the retainer spring to my transmission... where can i find one of those? |
Is it 30534? If so, it's just a couple of dollars. 
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (94_240sx)
Posted by: okinawa drift at 6:32 PM 4/29/2008
oh by the way what kind of paint did you use to paint your housings for your clutch and brake pedals? it looks good
and did you sand them? or sandblast them? im using 80 grit to sand all the rust off mine.. but its a pain in the *** to get in the corners inside..
and i tested out my drive shaft to see if it would fit right.. since someone said the dust cover i have may be to an sr, and the ka drive shaft would not fit.. but it fit, its just there is a little gap so dust could still get in.. i guess i could just tape it for now.. haha
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Posted by: spooled240 at 6:44 PM 4/29/2008
so now do i just connect the hardline directly to the slave cylinder hose?
like this
haha heres the pedal housing.. pain in the *** to sand... still in progress :S
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Posted by: 94_240sx at 8:51 PM 4/29/2008
Yes, that dust cover doesn't belong to s13/s14 KA. I've never seen SR dust cover before and I know how it looks like now.
You need to bend hardline like this to connect to the bracket and soft line. Be careful not to get a kink. Get Line Wrench from parts store. It's very useful. You won't strip the nut.
Man, looking good so far.
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Posted by: okinawa drift at 9:05 PM 4/29/2008
i just used vice grips to take the nuts off worked really well, did you have to drill a hole in the frame to mount that braket? or is there a hole in the frame already?
also can't exactly tell where you started to bend it... hmm
this the spot?
Modified by okinawa drift at 9:25 PM 4/29/2008
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Posted by: 94_240sx at 9:55 PM 4/29/2008
| Quote, originally posted by okinawa drift » |
| you think i will be able to just live with this dust cover and just maybe tape over it to seal it? |
No, driveshaft will rotate, so tape won't work. Try to turn the driveshaft with your hand and see if it touches the dust cover. If so, you better remove it and get the right one. s13 dust cover is like $10 from the dealership. Or you can remove it.
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| .. also when you bent the hardline did you just bend it or did you use some tool to bend it? |
With hands...
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| did you have to drill a hole in the frame to mount that braket? or is there a hole in the frame already? |
All s13s have threaded hole for the bracket, so you don't have to worry about it.
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| also can't exactly tell where you started to bend it... hmm this the spot? |
Yes, that's the spot. Install the hardline and bracket first and bend it. That's the best way to do it.
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Posted by: okinawa drift at 10:26 PM 4/29/2008
also what is better to use .. a 1 1/2 hole saw
or
1 3/8 hole saw
also i was searching for parts does this look about right... im gonna write this down and take it to a local nissan dealership
Engine / Bellhousing Bolts
Bolts = 08131-0601A / 60mm length / 4 needed ... $1.44 ea
Washers = 08915-2401A / 4 needed …………….. $0.26 ea
Bolt = 08131-0701A / 70mm length / 1 needed …. NAPA
Washer = 08915-2401A ……………………….. $0.26
Bolts = 08124-0301F / 35mm / 2 needed ……... $1.72 ea
Nuts = 08911-2401A / 2 needed ……………… $0.58 ea
Bolt = 08124-0601F / 65mm / 1 needed ……… $1.85
Nut = 09811-2401A / 1 needed …….. ……….. NAPA
Bolt = 08071-0251A / 25mm / 1 needed …….. $2.86 ea
Starter Bolts = 01121-03751 / 95mm / 2 needed ……. $2.58 ea
Bushings / Clutch Pedal
Bush Pedal = [46530E] …… $5.99
Bush Pedal = [46534] ………. $6.06
Pad Pedal = [46530N] ……$5.14
Spring Return = [46586] ……$7.34
Modified by okinawa drift at 12:46 AM 4/30/2008
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Posted by: 1jz240sx at 11:19 PM 4/29/2008
| Quote, originally posted by okinawa drift » |
| also what is better to use .. a 1 1/2 hole saw or 1 3/8 hole saw |
1 1/2 is better. 1 3/8 hole saw is a little too small I guess.
| Quote, originally posted by okinawa drift » |
Nut = 09811-2401A / 1 needed …….. ……….. NAPA |
It's not 08911. 08911-2401A is the right number
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Bushings / Clutch Pedal Bush Pedal = [46530E] …… $5.99 Bush Pedal = [46534] ………. $6.06 Pad Pedal = [46530N] ……$5.14 Spring Return = [46586] ……$7.34 |
46530E, 46534, 46530N...etc. These are not part number. You should print out the diagram and take it with you to the dealership.
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift)
Posted by: KFL at 10:30 AM 4/30/2008
| Quote, originally posted by okinawa drift » |
| hmm is the holes for the Master cylinder supposed to have that THING sticking out like that? should i rip that out? ... i already tried and bent the wall behind it slightly... wtf is that? this normal?
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1-Yes this is normal for a s13, a s14 is all flat no bolts
2-You have a s14 clutch pedal fyi, a s13 pedal has a metal spacer that goes into those metal sockets in the picture. Then it has some thread for it to catch the clutch master cylinder. My only thing would be some play side to side, then again it might work.(Never installed a 14 pedal into a 13)
A S14 pedal goes all the way in and sits at firewall.
Clutch pedal is held in by 3 bolts, 2 on clutch master cylinder, and 1 on upper pedal.
A buddy of mine installed a s13 clutch pedal into his s14. We had to use washers..to space it out to get the upper bolt on pedal to line up.
When drilling with a holesaw have a good drill, my buddy fragged his firewall,warped,distorted slightly using a weak drill. WIth a good drill it only take 30seconds. You can mark the center of hole with marker, use a very small drill bit use that hole to line up the holesaw done in less than 30seconds.
Don't worry about the dust cover until trans is in, there is always a little slack in driveshaft so it may turn out to be correct. Also I put in a s13 trans into my s14 recently, I had the same identical dust cover,,they changed across some years. I had to pull it off and install my s14 dust cover.
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (KFL)
Posted by: diggles240 at 6:11 PM 4/30/2008
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sorry for threadjack okinawa.
KFL- i am starting my swap into my s14 and have all s13 parts. any pain the arse things, in general, that i should be aware of- major issues with swapping bellhousings in order to keep the s14 crank angle sensor configuration? also, is the s13 flywheel dustplate interchangeable? thanks man.
diggs
/threadjack
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (diggles240)
Posted by: KFL at 9:23 PM 4/30/2008
| Quote, originally posted by diggles240 » |
sorry for threadjack okinawa. KFL- i am starting my swap into my s14 and have all s13 parts. any pain the arse things, in general, that i should be aware of- major issues with swapping bellhousings in order to keep the s14 crank angle sensor configuration? also, is the s13 flywheel dustplate interchangeable? thanks man. diggs /threadjack |
-flywheel,dustshield etc. is the same across the board for the ka24de.
-you have to use a s14 driveshaft for ur car abs, non-abs.
-you have to used a manual s14 speed sensor
-bellhousings you can either swap the s14 over onto the 13 or just drill a hole for the sensor and tap a bolt to hold it in place.
-if you use a s13 clutch pedal you have to use washers to space it out, to line up the the upper clutch pedal bolt. Do not bolt it in until you have got that 3rd bolt lined up and have proper amount of washers in place.
-if you want no check engine lights you have to use a manual ecu if your car is a 96 I would look for a 96..though I would think a 97/98 would work but are harder to find.
You can find the electrical stuff you have to do..neutral position,reverse lights you don't need to do the other things unless you want a straight to the tee stock setup..push clutch pedal down to start etc. http://www.ka24development.com....html
*Crank angle just counts number of teeth, from memory doesn't do much of anything just some obd2 mumbo crap.
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (KFL)
Posted by: okinawa drift at 10:18 PM 4/30/2008
| Quote, originally posted by KFL » |
2-You have a s14 clutch pedal fyi, a s13 pedal has a metal spacer that goes into those metal sockets in the picture. Then it has some thread for it to catch the clutch master cylinder. My only thing would be some play side to side, then again it might work.(Never installed a 14 pedal into a 13) Clutch pedal is held in by 3 bolts, 2 on clutch master cylinder, and 1 on upper pedal. A buddy of mine installed a s13 clutch pedal into his s14. We had to use washers..to space it out to get the upper bolt on pedal to line up. When drilling with a holesaw have a good drill, my buddy fragged his firewall,warped,distorted slightly using a weak drill. WIth a good drill it only take 30seconds. You can mark the center of hole with marker, use a very small drill bit use that hole to line up the holesaw done in less than 30seconds. Don't worry about the dust cover until trans is in, there is always a little slack in driveshaft so it may turn out to be correct. Also I put in a s13 trans into my s14 recently, I had the same identical dust cover,,they changed across some years. I had to pull it off and install my s14 dust cover. |
hey, you sure its to an s14? this came out of an s13 hatchback, and this pedal compares to the clutch pedal for 89-94..
heres some pics of the fix! :D
haha and still sanding the housing 
also went to autozone today to buy some stuff for the pedals / engine / tranny, the 1 1/2 hole saw didn't come with the other peice it connects to :S.. hmmm..
is this everything for the transmission? like am i missing anything?
and does anyone know the size of the bolts that go here for the slave cylinder
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift)
Posted by: okinawa drift at 5:53 PM 5/1/2008
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Looks like mine, so it's from s13.
Pedal repair looks pretty good, man.
I think you need 14mm bolts for the slave cylinder. Do you have some bolts laying around? Try some.
You don't miss anything on the tranny. Replace throw out bearing for sure.
Here's the write up.
http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=316626
Clean up the bell housing. It's just dusty, so it'll come out easy with some degreaser+tooth brush. Keep us posted.
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (94_240sx)
Posted by: okinawa drift at 12:10 AM 5/2/2008
oh an did you clear coat your clutch pedal housing after you painted it? mine looks kind of ****ty lol, you can see my finger prints... ****! did you wet sand yours after you spray painted it?
looks good man
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift)
Posted by: 94_240sx at 5:27 AM 5/2/2008
heres some pics.. you can see my fingerprints on the housing 
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (94_240sx)
Posted by: okinawa drift at 7:09 PM 5/6/2008
also i am having a really hard time trying to get the auto brake pedal out.. i managed to get all 4 nuts off, i just have to wiggle it out somehow.. i just left the steering column in, i tried removing it but it did not work out..
the only thing that is preventing me from removing my brake pedal is the brake master cylinder is in the way, i tried pushing it out, but it won't go out far enough... should i disconneect the hardlines and just removed the brake booster?
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift)
Posted by: BMAR240SX at 7:18 PM 5/6/2008
| Quote, originally posted by okinawa drift » |
| also i am having a really hard time trying to get the auto brake pedal out.. i managed to get all 4 nuts off, i just have to wiggle it out somehow.. i just left the steering column in, i tried removing it but it did not work out.. the only thing that is preventing me from removing my brake pedal is the brake master cylinder is in the way, i tried pushing it out, but it won't go out far enough... should i disconneect the hardlines and just removed the brake booster? |
There are 2 nuts on the column. Did you remove them too? You can drop the column more if you remove them.
Open the hood and try to pull the booster from the firewall.
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (94_240sx)
Posted by: okinawa drift at 8:44 PM 5/6/2008
also i noticed the automatic brake pedal had two plugs... i know the blue one is for the brake light.. what is the other one for? my manual brake pedal didn't come with one.. do i need this plug? or can i live without it?
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Posted by: diggles240 at 11:11 PM 5/7/2008
kevin
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Posted by: okinawa drift at 11:54 PM 5/7/2008
oh and as for paint goes i used "silver metallic" you can get it from auto zone!
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Posted by: okinawa drift at 7:13 PM 5/8/2008
heres a pic
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Posted by: diggles240 at 8:52 PM 5/8/2008
plug should pull out easily if retainer clip is compressed properly...good luck
kevin
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift)
Posted by: motoman399 at 9:50 PM 5/8/2008
| Quote, originally posted by okinawa drift » |
| also the plug that controls the brake light is really hard to unplug... hmm is there a special technique to unplug it? |
i used channel locks... worked great.
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress!
Posted by: 94_240sx at 10:01 PM 5/8/2008
were you able to get your cruise control to work after a 5 spd swap?
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (motoman399)
Posted by: sebazztard at 10:08 PM 5/8/2008
glad to see your taking your time and getting the proper information, it will pay off in the end. I'm swapping my s14's transmission this weekend but, I'm missing the dust cover, how bad would it be if I just don't get the piece? Can I tweak my automatic one to get some protection?
Thanks!!!
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (puchuco)
Posted by: 94_240sx at 12:47 PM 5/9/2008
| Quote, originally posted by puchuco » |
| """""Don't worry about the dust cover until trans is in, there is always a little slack in driveshaft so it may turn out to be correct. |
True, but it depends on how much slack you have. Car flexes a little bit, so you should have enough slack to clear it.
| Quote, originally posted by puchuco » |
I'm swapping my s14's transmission this weekend but, I'm missing the dust cover, how bad would it be if I just don't get the piece? Can I tweak my automatic one to get some protection? Thanks!!! |
Yes, I modified s14 dust cover to use with 1 piece aluminum driveshaft. I cut and welded a stainless steel container to it.
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Posted by: ThuG LyFe at 1:18 PM 5/9/2008
i got my 5 spd swap done and my CC works beautifully.
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Posted by: puchuco at 2:31 PM 5/9/2008
| Quote, originally posted by 94_240sx » |
True, but it depends on how much slack you have. Car flexes a little bit, so you should have enough slack to clear it. Yes, I modified s14 dust cover to use with 1 piece aluminum driveshaft. I cut and welded a stainless steel container to it.
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I'm sorry , I thought you guys were talking about the bellhousing adapter plate/dust cover.
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (puchuco)
Posted by: 94_240sx at 6:05 PM 5/9/2008
| Quote, originally posted by puchuco » |
I'm swapping my s14's transmission this weekend but, I'm missing the dust cover, how bad would it be if I just don't get the piece? Can I tweak my automatic one to get some protection? Thanks!!! |
Oops!!! Sorry. Yeah, that thing is called dust cover or adaptor plate. You should install it otherwise your clutch might slip. I've seen a couple of people regreting it after they left it out. s13 dust cover is out of production, but s14 one is still available and will fit. You can buy one on eBay too.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...85489
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (94_240sx)
Posted by: puchuco at 8:15 AM 5/10/2008
I have s13 engine+tranny, earl ss soft clutch line, nabco master+slave cylinder, manual crossmember, engine/tranny mounts, even got shiftboot
I am just missing a non abs s13 manual driveshaft, hard line, and clutch/brake pedals...
Hard line can be fabricated... so its not THAT much of an issue but id prefer getting it... and well manual driveshaft... is there any real difference between the abs and non abs ones... my car is non abs.... and last but not least i saw some sale on that courtesparts nissan site that u linked to mentioning clutch pedal... but is it the WHOLE package EVERYTHING thats needed or?...
And is it necessary to get brake pedal assembly from manual? What's the difference?
So again
-Hard line
-Driveshaft from non abs manual s13
-Clutch and brake pedal assembly
Help
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (a_ahmed)
Posted by: BMAR240SX at 10:37 AM 5/11/2008
| Quote, originally posted by a_ahmed » |
| Hey guys, I have s13 engine+tranny, earl ss soft clutch line, nabco master+slave cylinder, manual crossmember, engine/tranny mounts, even got shiftboot I am just missing a non abs s13 manual driveshaft, hard line, and clutch/brake pedals... Hard line can be fabricated... so its not THAT much of an issue but id prefer getting it... and well manual driveshaft... is there any real difference between the abs and non abs ones... my car is non abs.... and last but not least i saw some sale on that courtesparts nissan site that u linked to mentioning clutch pedal... but is it the WHOLE package EVERYTHING thats needed or?... And is it necessary to get brake pedal assembly from manual? What's the difference? So again -Hard line Help |
Does this come with the whole brake and clutch pedal assemblies all together for 40 bux and everything needed? If yes I'll buy it, can someone chime in...
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Posted by: okinawa drift at 12:55 PM 5/11/2008
anyways... would i be ok if i DIDN'T resurface my flywheel? since i have a regular exedy clutch kit
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Posted by: 2ndnissan at 12:06 AM 5/12/2008
im most likely going to get a rear main oil seal for sure.. but thats probably the only seal im going to replace, since im on a tight budget
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Posted by: motoman399 at 1:11 AM 5/12/2008
| Quote, originally posted by okinawa drift » |
| search man, your jackin my thread..lol
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if you are broke like most of us.. well at least me you can take some sand paper maybe 220 grit and just sand it a lil bit... it wont be perfect and i dont recommend this every time. also check for discoloration and dips and cracks. if you have any of those then get it resurfaced.
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Posted by: a_ahmed at 5:39 AM 5/12/2008
| Quote, originally posted by okinawa drift » |
| search man, your jackin my thread..lol
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Well im just asking its a simple question no need to be like you're hijacking my thread. Your thread is yours, woopie do man. Do you know, just answer... I didn't even know they were selling new ones.
Post Title: Re: (okinawa drift)
Posted by: 2ndnissan at 6:03 AM 5/12/2008
| Quote, originally posted by puchuco » |
| The one on ebay is for an SR20 and I have a KA24, would it still fit? (I doubt it) |
Oops! Sorry. I didn't see it carefully. Anyway, buy s14 one from a dealership. It'll work on s13 & s14.
Post Title: Re: (a_ahmed)
Posted by: 94_240sx at 7:02 AM 5/12/2008
| Quote, originally posted by a_ahmed » |
| http://www.courtesyparts.com/b....html Does this come with the whole brake and clutch pedal assemblies all together for 40 bux and everything needed? If yes I'll buy it, can someone chime in... |
No, it's just a pedal. Whole assembly is over $100. Try to get OEM hardline because you can't beat OEM hardline fitment. Make sure to get a bracket that goes between softline and hardline. You can buy Agency power stainless steel line, but I don't think the feel is as good as OEM hardline.
Post Title: Re: (okinawa drift)
Posted by: 94_240sx at 7:03 AM 5/12/2008
| Quote, originally posted by okinawa drift » |
im most likely going to get a rear main oil seal for sure.. but thats probably the only seal im going to replace, since im on a tight budget |
Do the transmission front and rear seals. They are like $4-5 each and easy to do. Rear one is okay, but if front one goes bad, you have to pull the tranny again.
Post Title: Re: (94_240sx)
Posted by: a_ahmed at 7:30 AM 5/12/2008
| Quote, originally posted by 94_240sx » |
No, it's just a pedal. Whole assembly is over $100. Try to get OEM hardline because you can't beat OEM hardline fitment. Make sure to get a bracket that goes between softline and hardline. You can buy Agency power stainless steel line, but I don't think the feel is as good as OEM hardline. |
Where can I get the OEM hard line (I dont need the damper thing)... I have aa clutch earls ss line from frsport already just need hardline
And for the clutch pedal assembly i need the whole thing OEM is expensive i reckon huh...
Post Title: Re: (a_ahmed)
Posted by: 94_240sx at 8:31 AM 5/12/2008
| Quote, originally posted by a_ahmed » |
Where can I get the OEM hard line (I dont need the damper thing)... I have aa clutch earls ss line from frsport already just need hardline And for the clutch pedal assembly i need the whole thing OEM is expensive i reckon huh... |
Hardline is pretty cheap from dealership like under $20. Problem is it's been discontinued. s14 one is still available, but they are not the same. You need to make a trip to some junkyards. That's where I got all of mine.
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift)
Posted by: Danrc30 at 9:00 AM 5/12/2008
| Quote, originally posted by okinawa drift » |
|
I just opened this thread and saw this pic. I haven't read further so if someone already addressed this, I apologize.
THIS IS NOT A SAFE WAY TO WORK UNDER A CAR! A local kid from my high school died when he used 4 jackstands to lift his car. This is extremely dangerous. I did a 5 speed swap too, and I used 4 wheel ramps to raise the car instead of jackstands. It's MUCH safer to use wheel ramps.
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (Danrc30)
Posted by: srpowered240sx at 9:29 AM 5/12/2008
| Quote, originally posted by Danrc30 » |
I just opened this thread and saw this pic. I haven't read further so if someone already addressed this, I apologize. THIS IS NOT A SAFE WAY TO WORK UNDER A CAR! A local kid from my high school died when he used 4 jackstands to lift his car. This is extremely dangerous. I did a 5 speed swap too, and I used 4 wheel ramps to raise the car instead of jackstands. It's MUCH safer to use wheel ramps. |
care to explain why....ive always worked on my car like this. i also always try to shake the car off the stands before getting under it. jackstands are made to hold a car up...or did i miss something.
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (srpowered240sx)
Posted by: 94_240sx at 9:42 AM 5/12/2008
| Quote, originally posted by srpowered240sx » |
care to explain why....ive always worked on my car like this. i also always try to shake the car off the stands before getting under it. jackstands are made to hold a car up...or did i miss something. |
It's still a good idea to slide something under the car just in case like wheels and stuff. You might get hurt something goes wrong, but at least you won't die.
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (srpowered240sx)
Posted by: Danrc30 at 9:46 AM 5/12/2008
| Quote, originally posted by srpowered240sx » |
care to explain why....ive always worked on my car like this. i also always try to shake the car off the stands before getting under it. jackstands are made to hold a car up...or did i miss something. |
I'll do my best.
Jack stands are not designed to hold an entire car up even thought they technically can. Some people say that it's like using a lift in a garage. Well, it's not. The lifting points on a lift are connected and not pivoting anywhere. They lift straight up and are not required to "balance" the car. Using 4 jack stands is similar to building a house of cards. If one goes, they all go. All it takes is one to slip or give out and the car will come crashing down. At least with wheel ramps, the car won't crash down if the wheels are properly "chocked". I've also never seen a wheel ramp tip over while the car was completely and safely positioned on the ramps.
Now I'm not saying that if you use 4 stands it's automatically going to happen, but I am saying it's not safe and I don't want to hear about a fellow 240 owner, as well as any car owner for that matter, getting crushed under their car. The kid that died was doing this so I know it can happen. I wasn't there when it happened, but I was in school when the word came in. It wasn't a good day at school let's say.
So please guys/gals... invest in 4 wheel ramps and be safe! I'm actually tired of working on my back. I'm investing in an electric lift. That's the best way to go if you can. $1500 is well woth your life! 
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (Danrc30)
Posted by: RCA at 11:27 AM 5/12/2008
My car has been on four jackstands without tires since Febuary. Its still up there. I probably did structual damage to my cars frame... oh well 
RESURFACEING YOUR FLYWHEEL ISNT OPTIONAL... ITS MANDITORY!
You spent all this time and money allready... Do it right and do it once. Clutches arent cheap and it would suck to have one not really work as well as it should. Then burn out quickly and then you have to replace it and resurface your flywheel any way.
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (rcabrita)
Posted by: Danrc30 at 11:48 AM 5/12/2008
| Quote, originally posted by rcabrita » |
| +1 for the lift -10 for the price. My car has been on four jackstands without tires since Febuary. Its still up there. I probably did structual damage to my cars frame... oh well |
As far as the price goes, my life is worth more than $1500, so I'm getting a lift. It's kinda like the guys that buy a new motorcycle and buy a cheap helmet with no leathers because they can't afford it... I say buy a cheaper cycle and use that $$$ to buy a good helmet and leathers.
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (Danrc30)
Posted by: a_ahmed at 12:11 PM 5/12/2008
| Quote, originally posted by Danrc30 » |
I'll do my best. Jack stands are not designed to hold an entire car up even thought they technically can. Some people say that it's like using a lift in a garage. Well, it's not. The lifting points on a lift are connected and not pivoting anywhere. They lift straight up and are not required to "balance" the car. Using 4 jack stands is similar to building a house of cards. If one goes, they all go. All it takes is one to slip or give out and the car will come crashing down. At least with wheel ramps, the car won't crash down if the wheels are properly "chocked". I've also never seen a wheel ramp tip over while the car was completely and safely positioned on the ramps. Now I'm not saying that if you use 4 stands it's automatically going to happen, but I am saying it's not safe and I don't want to hear about a fellow 240 owner, as well as any car owner for that matter, getting crushed under their car. The kid that died was doing this so I know it can happen. I wasn't there when it happened, but I was in school when the word came in. It wasn't a good day at school let's say. So please guys/gals... invest in 4 wheel ramps and be safe! I'm actually tired of working on my back. I'm investing in an electric lift. That's the best way to go if you can. $1500 is well woth your life! |
i kind of see your point, but have been doing this for years, and never seen a set of jack stands set up properly fail. jack stands do not "pivot" or "balance" the car. they keep the car in the air, and are positioned on the most solid part of the car, and can not slip off if positioned correctly. i see where your coming from hearing about a classmate getting crushed, but my bet is it was not set up right.
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (a_ahmed)
Posted by: Danrc30 at 12:27 PM 5/12/2008
| Quote, originally posted by a_ahmed » |
| What lift are you guys talking about for 1500$?? |
| Quote, originally posted by srpowered240sx » |
i kind of see your point, but have been doing this for years, and never seen a set of jack stands set up properly fail. jack stands do not "pivot" or "balance" the car. they keep the car in the air, and are positioned on the most solid part of the car, and can not slip off if positioned correctly. i see where your coming from hearing about a classmate getting crushed, but my bet is it was not set up right. |
Understood. But why chance it when you can use wheel ramps to do this swap, which are much safer? They actually do balance the car somewhat. As soon as a load is applied to the four jack stands, there will be some sort of horizonal force on the stands. Even though it may be minimal, it will exist. This causes the balancing act and possible instability when dealing with 4 jacks.
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (srpowered240sx)
Posted by: ken240sx at 12:28 PM 5/12/2008
| Quote, originally posted by ken240sx » |
| wheel ramps in the rear with the e-brake on and jack stand in front for me. |
I slide wheels, scissor jacks and floor jack on top of jack stands just in case. Danrc30 has a good point. When you take the tranny out and install it, you will have to wiggle it. If a couple of guys do that together, who knows? Resurface the flywheel. Clutch is expensive, but you don't want to do it twice. Just do it once and do it right.
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (Danrc30)
Posted by: BMAR240SX at 6:34 PM 5/12/2008
/QUOTE] I dream to have one of these
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (BMAR240SX)
Posted by: don_bagz at 7:04 PM 5/12/2008
| Quote, originally posted by BMAR240SX » |
| My question is tho, don't floor jack stands go higher then the ramp's? |
Some do. That's why I put a few 2x6's under my ramps for the extra height...
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (Danrc30)
Posted by: GIJOE69 at 9:18 PM 5/12/2008
i bought a $25 torque wrench at walmart .. do you guys think this will get the job done?
and about the 4 jacks.. this scares the **** out of me.. haha i think i will look for some ramps.. thanks for that info
also i'm thinking about re-painting the transmission.. what kind of primer should i use on it?
also does anyone know the size of the m/t bell housing bolts? i can't find the size in the FSM
Modified by okinawa drift at 12:11 AM 5/13/2008
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift)
Posted by: GIJOE69 at 10:04 AM 5/13/2008
and i need a cherry picker to get the old blown out engine + auto tranny out of the car
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift)
Posted by: 94_240sx at 3:48 PM 5/13/2008
| Quote, originally posted by okinawa drift » |
also i'm thinking about re-painting the transmission.. what kind of primer should i use on it?
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Just clean up and use high temp aluminum spray paint just like sillbeer did.
The longest one is not available from Nissan. All the info you need is in FSM.
You need to use torque wrench everywhere.
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (94_240sx)
Posted by: okinawa drift at 3:57 PM 5/13/2008
hmm should i remove all the sensors before scrubbing the transmission with some degreaser? or you think they will be fine? also if i was to replace the transmission front seal would i have to buy a new gasket that goes there?
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift)
Posted by: GIJOE69 at 9:00 PM 5/13/2008
and when you say put RTV between the seal.. you mean like... put some rtv where the seal goes and put the seal in?
also i cleaned the **** out of my tranny today, took about 3 hours..lol
when i put the tranny on should i tape this up with electrical tape?
does anyone know where the plastic peice on the ground goes??
what goes throught this loop?
i sprayed some water in here to get some of the dirty out.. bad idea??
results
i don't think im gonna paint it, will be to much of a pain in the ***
Modified by okinawa drift at 10:14 PM 5/13/2008
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift)
Posted by: 94_240sx at 9:49 AM 5/14/2008
You don't have to use RTV. Just put some grease on and hammer the seals in gently. I did all my seals that way and no leaks whatsoever.
What sensor is that? I only hooked up reverse sensor, so don't bother with it if it's not a reverse sensor.
I don't see a breather hose. Loops will hold wires and breather hose. Maybe s13 tranny doesn't have one?
Yup, it's not a good idea to spray water there. You should have disassembled it and used a rag to remove dirt. Make sure to drain all the water and old fluid before installation.
Before:
After:
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift)
Posted by: okinawa drift at 4:23 PM 5/14/2008
| Quote, originally posted by okinawa drift » |
| ahh ok, any techniques to get the water out? :P |
| Quote, originally posted by okinawa drift » |
does anyone know where the plastic peice on the ground goes?? what goes throught this loop? |
judging by the relation to the clutch withdrawal lever that is the reverse sensor....plastic piece fits over the rubber cap on the sensor. if you look past the goo on my trans you can see it below. sorry, i haven't put in my 3 hours yet 
the retainer loop is used to hold the breather hose in place
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift)
Posted by: diggles240 at 8:52 PM 5/14/2008
.... just a thought.also i don't know much about oil, but what kind of oil should i use for my 163k ka24e? .. i was told moblie 1 would be "too good" causing all the old oil to drop to the bottom of the oil pan, then clogging my oil pump.. sooo.. hmm what kind of oil you guys reccomend?
and also .. what kind of transmission fluid?
haha, well i've decided to just replace the rear main seal, and the pilot bushing, my grandpa was telling me that it would be best to just leave the old pilot bushing in, because installing a new one will be a pain in the ***, and i could do it wrong when i hammer it in.. this true?
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift)
Posted by: 94_240sx at 9:17 PM 5/15/2008
| Quote » |
| sooo.. hmm what kind of oil you guys reccomend? |
Something on the heavier side. Like 5w-40???
| Quote » |
| and also .. what kind of transmission fluid? |
Redline MT-90
| Quote » |
| haha, well i've decided to just replace the rear main seal, and the pilot bushing, my grandpa was telling me that it would be best to just leave the old pilot bushing in, because installing a new one will be a pain in the ***, and i could do it wrong when i hammer it in.. this true? |
You must take the auto pilot bushing out and hammer in manual pilot bushing it.
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (94_240sx)
Posted by: okinawa drift at 10:59 PM 5/15/2008
well, the sohc im swapping in was from a manual so it already has a manual pilot bushing in it, but the thing is i have a new pilot bushing, would it make a big difference to replace it?
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift)
Posted by: diggles240 at 11:27 PM 5/15/2008
| Quote, originally posted by verSat1l3 » |
| It costs a little more but I would fill it with Redline or Royal Purple gear oil. Make sure whatever you use is GL-4 compliant. The Advance Auto gear oil is GL-5 which some say has sulfites that eat yellow metals (your synchros). I used it once on a trans on its way out, and I think it accelerated the process... Who knows, its just better to be safe. |
no personal experience with this, but as he says 'better to be safe'. input on this anyone?
kevin
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (diggles240)
Posted by: verSat1l3 at 11:52 PM 5/15/2008
Also, Diggles: I saw your request for the junkyard info. I'll give it to you soon. No offense buddy but we both have 96's and I searched and found it. I've got all my parts and won't need to use theirs unless something catastrophic happens. You got first dibs on the info once I'm up and running in a couple weeks.
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (verSat1l3)
Posted by: diggles240 at 1:04 AM 5/16/2008
kevin
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (diggles240)
Posted by: okinawa drift at 3:43 PM 5/16/2008
and if im reading this right, are you guys recommending i use oil as transmission fluid?
also, if i were to go to a hardware store do you think they would be able to find out the bolts / washers i need if i brought my FSM with me? i know what page its on but im not really sure what "N * M" means
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift)
Posted by: verSat1l3 at 7:34 PM 5/16/2008
| Quote, originally posted by okinawa drift » |
| when i go to pour in fluid into where the shifter would go, would i pour tranny fluid in there or oil?? and if im reading this right, are you guys recommending i use oil as transmission fluid?
|
Gear oil, synrchomesh fluid, whatever, but NOT MOTOR OIL!! There are GL-4 and GL-5 gear oils, get GL-4. 2.4-2.5 liters worth through the shift column when the trans is in the car.
N * M? Newton meters? Thats torque values for the metrically superior. May as well be Latin... You are looking for sizes along the lines of m8x1.0, m10x1.25, etc. Which bolts do you need?
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (verSat1l3)
Posted by: okinawa drift at 10:14 PM 5/16/2008
do i need any washers or nuts to go along with them? or can i just re-use my washers from my a/t?
also my parts came in today!
Modified by okinawa drift at 1:48 AM 5/17/2008
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift)
Posted by: okinawa drift at 2:43 PM 5/17/2008
in these terms
Engine / Bellhousing Bolts
Bolts = 08131-0601A / 60mm length / 4 needed
Washers = 08915-2401A / 4 needed
Bolt = 08131-0701A / 70mm length / 1 needed
Washer = 08915-2401A
Bolts = 08124-0301F / 35mm / 2 needed
Nuts = 08911-2401A / 2 needed
Bolt = 08124-0601F / 65mm / 1 needed
Nut = 09811-2401A / 1 needed
Bolt = 08071-0251A / 25mm / 1 needed
Starter Bolts = 01121-03751 / 95mm / 2 needed
as for the nuts, does my a/t have those already? or should i purchase those too?
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift)
Posted by: okinawa drift at 4:49 PM 5/18/2008
http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=284011
I just corrected my clutch and bolted the trans to the motor plus mounted the master cylinder and pedal this afternoon. The last of my sensors come in tomorrow and I just gotta throw my motor and trans back in the car and wire it up. 
happy now...
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift)
Posted by: aaronscomp at 8:18 PM 5/19/2008
| Quote » |
| you can get bell houseing bolts of ebay for pretty cheap if your still looking for some |
Listen to this guy. Buy from the selelr askme4parts. This part number is wrong.
Nut = 09811-2401A / 1 needed --> 08911-2401A
I bought all the bolts and nuts from the dealership and the longest bolt from ACE hardware since it was no longer available, but thiking back I should have gotten Kai Project bolts and nuts from askme4parts. I found out he sells them after the swap.
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (94_240sx)
Posted by: okinawa drift at 10:21 PM 5/19/2008
also.. it turns out the clutch kit i have is wrong... and i traded my rc car for this clutch kit from a guy from portland, so i second hand bought it i guess you could say..
i could of swore the guy said it was for a sohc.... but it turns out the t/o bearing is to big, it wont slide onto the t/o bearing holder... where the last t/o bearing was...
is anyone good at distinguishing if i have a s13 clutch kit, MC, and SC?
i can take pics if anyone is good at that
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift)
Posted by: verSat1l3 at 12:35 AM 5/20/2008
| Quote, originally posted by okinawa drift » |
also.. it turns out the clutch kit i have is wrong... and i traded my rc car for this clutch kit from a guy from portland, so i second hand bought it i guess you could say.. i could of swore the guy said it was for a sohc.... but it turns out the t/o bearing is to big, it wont slide onto the t/o bearing holder... where the last t/o bearing was... |
Throw out bearing is NOT a direct bolt on. You have to take out the old one from the sleeve and put a new one in. I saw it in one of your pictures earlier. You have everything, so just swap out the throw out bearing. Here's the write up. I ended up buying OEM throw out bearing BTW. If I'm wrong, you do have a bigger throw out bearing somehow. Let me know what's the case.
http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread?id=316626
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (94_240sx)
Posted by: okinawa drift at 4:37 PM 5/20/2008
the guy that gave the clutch kit to me said it goes to a 91 240sx, would that work on my sohc 240sx?
also, today i tried to completely remove all the fluid in the transmission.. heres some pics.. there was a little mixture in the fluid that came out... a little water and tranny fluid.. heh
then when i took the lower drain plug it had a **** load of metal flakey **** on it, then i whiped it off and realized it was a magnet... in this pic you can kind of see TINY metal **** on it from the tranny, this mean some of the gears have been grinding?
Modified by okinawa drift at 12:15 AM 5/21/2008
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift)
Posted by: verSat1l3 at 9:39 PM 5/22/2008
Better get all that water out. Maybe you should leave the drain and fill plugs open and hook up a hair dryer or leaf blower through the shifter. Seal up the input nice and tight and circulate air through it to dry up any water that can't be drained out... Might sound silly but I don't think it could hurt.
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (verSat1l3)
Posted by: okinawa drift at 10:38 PM 5/22/2008
| Quote, originally posted by okinawa drift » |
|
Remove the seal on the shifter side and leave it like this for a couple of days. All the oil and stuff should come out. Yeah, I also had some shavings too. Shavings are okay, but chunk is bad, so you are good.
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (ken240sx)
Posted by: 1sikS13 at 9:59 AM 5/23/2008
| Quote, originally posted by ken240sx » |
| wheel ramps in the rear with the e-brake on and jack stand in front for me. |
that, or should i try and buy one off someone?
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift)
Posted by: okinawa drift at 9:11 PM 5/24/2008
kevin
EDIT: i have an extra breather hose, but i am sure you can find one closer than the opposite side of the country.
Modified by diggles240 at 2:38 AM 5/25/2008
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (diggles240)
Posted by: okinawa drift at 12:01 AM 5/25/2008
kevin
EDIT: just send me an e-mail if you can't find it any place else.
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (diggles240)
Posted by: okinawa drift at 12:15 AM 5/25/2008
ahh and for the bell housing bracket, you think my automatic tranny will have one i can use? or is it different?
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Posted by: BoostFab at 12:57 AM 5/25/2008
and finally the last part of my clutch pedal came in, (the bushings that holds the spring), it was a ***** putting the spring on but managed to get it on there.. ended up scratching the hell out of my housing that i just re-painted oh well
probably spend.. hmm $40-50ish total on clutch pedal, that will hopefully last for a while..
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift)
Posted by: diggles240 at 11:11 PM 5/26/2008
kevin
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (diggles240)
Posted by: okinawa drift at 12:09 AM 5/27/2008
| Quote, originally posted by okinawa drift » |
and finally the last part of my clutch pedal came in, (the bushings that holds the spring), it was a ***** putting the spring on but managed to get it on there.. ended up scratching the hell out of my housing that i just re-painted oh well |
Here's the trick. This large bolt goes on last after everything is in place. You need some elbow grease, but you can install spring and bushings without scratching the housing. You will need someone to put the bolt in the hole while you line up the housing and clutch pedal.
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift)
Posted by: B-Boy DuB-L at 9:01 PM 5/27/2008
| Quote, originally posted by okinawa drift » |
Modified by okinawa drift at 12:15 AM 5/21/2008 |
| Quote, originally posted by okinawa drift » |
Modified by okinawa drift at 12:15 AM 5/21/2008 |
and for the lower tranny harness, do i need to go buy a manual one, or does my car already have one that i have to do some modifying to? hmm
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (B-Boy DuB-L)
Posted by: 94_240sx at 5:32 AM 5/28/2008
| Quote, originally posted by B-Boy DuB-L » |
Does anyone know where i can get this dust boot from besides the dealer. And if not would anyone know the price on it? |
You mean the rubber one? It's $7.38 from Courtesy.
http://www.courtesyparts.com/b....html
I have an extra in perfect condition. I can do $6 shipped for you.
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift)
Posted by: 94_240sx at 5:35 AM 5/28/2008
| Quote, originally posted by okinawa drift » |
| what im starting to wonder about is wiring, does anyone know a link to a detailed DIY on the wiring part of the s13 swap? i found one for the s14.. but don't want to use that.. hmm
|
idk other people, but wiring was the easiest part for me. Ignore brown/yellow wire in the picture. That's for the convertible top. You can find more info in here.
http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread/329284
http://forums.nicoclub.com/zerothread/77784
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (B-Boy DuB-L)
Posted by: 94_240sx at 5:38 AM 5/28/2008
| Quote, originally posted by B-Boy DuB-L » |
What about the length and thread pitch of these screws. Either im retarded or i just cant figure it out from the FSM thanks in advance |
2 of them are longer than other 4. Either 11 & 5 o'clock or 1 and 7 o'clock ones are longer. They are 11 or 12mm metric bolts. Well, just get them from dealership and be done with it.
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (94_240sx)
Posted by: okinawa drift at 8:55 PM 5/29/2008
there are detailed wiring guides for the s14 ..but not the s13 .. :S
and also, i decided not to buy they m/t bellhousing bolts on ebay, but i found out the thread size which is M10 X 1.5 thread/pitch, so i got that down so i don't have to worry about stripping the engine, also the nuts and washers i need to get, would i be able to use the same ones off my a/t?? or should i get new nuts / washers?... it would be easiest if i could just use my a/t nuts / washers.. but let me know!
thanks
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift)
Posted by: B-Boy DuB-L at 9:48 PM 5/29/2008
all together to order the bolts and washer and nuts i was charged $34.14
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (94_240sx)
Posted by: B-Boy DuB-L at 10:03 PM 5/29/2008
| Quote, originally posted by 94_240sx » |
You mean the rubber one? It's $7.38 from Courtesy. http://www.courtesyparts.com/b....html I have an extra in perfect condition. I can do $6 shipped for you. |
Ill take you up on that offer for 6 shipped.
Email me at lilsoccerboy21@aol.com
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (B-Boy DuB-L)
Posted by: okinawa drift at 10:03 PM 5/29/2008
thats weird i thought the 70mm bolt was discontinued.. hmm
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (B-Boy DuB-L)
Posted by: 94_240sx at 11:46 PM 5/29/2008
| Quote, originally posted by B-Boy DuB-L » |
Ill take you up on that offer for 6 shipped. |
Email sent!!!
It's in perfect condition BTW. No tears or damage.
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift)
Posted by: 94_240sx at 11:50 PM 5/29/2008
| Quote, originally posted by okinawa drift » |
| thats weird i thought the 70mm bolt was discontinued.. hmm |
Trust me. It's been discontinued. Later dealership will tell him 'Sorry, it's NLA(No Longer Available).' I got mine from ACE hardware store.
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (94_240sx)
Posted by: okinawa drift at 12:04 AM 5/30/2008
"how similar is the wiring between the s13 and s14?
there are detailed wiring guides for the s14 ..but not the s13 .. :S
and also, i decided not to buy they m/t bellhousing bolts on ebay, but i found out the thread size which is M10 X 1.5 thread/pitch, so i got that down so i don't have to worry about stripping the engine, also the nuts and washers i need to get, would i be able to use the same ones off my a/t?? or should i get new nuts / washers?... it would be easiest if i could just use my a/t nuts / washers.. but let me know!
are the nuts are the hardware store not hard enough to support? so should i just go to the dealership? or could i survive with hardware store bolts?
thanks"
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift)
Posted by: ken240sx at 1:20 AM 5/30/2008
| Quote, originally posted by 94_240sx » |
Trust me. It's been discontinued. Later dealership will tell him 'Sorry, it's NLA(No Longer Available).' I got mine from ACE hardware store. |
Yup you are right. Damn i was hoping that you werent. They told me it was cancelled. lol i was pissed cuz now i gotta go to a hardware store.
Okinawa are you done with the swap yet?
im starting mine in about a week or 2. If i finish before you im gunna have to send u a bag of popcorn lol 
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (B-Boy DuB-L)
Posted by: okinawa drift at 3:38 PM 6/5/2008
wiring is gonna stump me.. i don't even know what jump means .. haha
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift)
Posted by: B-Boy DuB-L at 7:18 PM 6/5/2008
| Quote, originally posted by okinawa drift » |
wiring is gonna stump me.. i don't even know what jump means .. haha |
JUMP!!!!!
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (94_240sx)
Posted by: okinawa drift at 8:01 PM 6/5/2008
jump! ahh thats what it means.. 94.. your a life save man.. haha
also.. should i buy a new soft line? or do you think RTV gasket maker can seal this right up?
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift)
Posted by: okinawa drift at 6:04 AM 6/8/2008
anyways, i just took the wiring for the transmission out with everything, i didn't want to cut something that wasn't supposed to be cut, what exactly can i cut? haha
engine is finally out! got my cherry picker yesterday 
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift)
Posted by: okinawa drift at 11:16 PM 6/9/2008
which one do you guys think would be best to use on the firewall?
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift)
Posted by: YOUNG240SX at 1:19 AM 6/10/2008
| Quote, originally posted by okinawa drift » |
| also
|
| Quote, originally posted by okinawa drift » |
| they are both 1 1/2, but which one do you think would do the job better? the white one has wider teeth and silver one has more teeth as you can see in the pics |
Silver. Make sure to punch in the exact center.
Your care looks very clean. Please do something with painted coolant and washer fluid tanks.
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (94_240sx)
Posted by: okinawa drift at 7:30 AM 6/10/2008
discovered some rust under the fuel rail, not to sure how to deal with rust.. should i just buy some naval jelly and let it sit on this over night? then sand it with 80grit sandpaper in the morning, then primer it, paint it, clear coat it?
i want to deal with it before it becomes worse..
also drilled the holes for my mc and clutch pedal today, turned out a lot better than i thought, i was kind of hard since the drill i was using was kind of big so i had to drill the mc hole and the upper hole at an angle kind of, but it all worked out
and... do i even need this thing? its where the clutch pedal mounts up too..
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift)
Posted by: BMAR240SX at 10:02 PM 6/10/2008
| Quote, originally posted by mikester1222 » |
| bump |
BUMP| Quote, originally posted by okinawa drift » |
and... do i even need this thing? its where the clutch pedal mounts up too.. |
If you remove it, you can't take the key out from the cylinder. Funny thing is I removed mine, and I was able to take the key out. Hijacker worked on 2-3 different 240s, and he said keys won't come out without it on all of them. It's weird that mine works without it. I'm going to put it back on just to be safe. Mine is in green color BTW. 
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (94_240sx)
Posted by: B-Boy DuB-L at 8:24 AM 6/11/2008
| Quote, originally posted by 94_240sx » |
| Just buy a line wrench and tighten it up real good. Or you can buy stainless steel braided line like I did. It was about $30 from project nissan. Looks like the leak is from the joint, not from the soft line. I highly recommend line wrench. If you use a regular wrench, you will mess up the fitting. |
Its technically called a flare nut wrench. Auto Zoo, Advanced Asinine Parts, or Prick Boys will sell a kit for under $10.
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (verSat1l3)
Posted by: okinawa drift at 7:44 PM 6/11/2008
also do you think kyrlon rust tough enamel primer would be good to spay on the rust under my fuel rail in the engine bay after i sand it with 180 grit?? then spary some dupli-color cherry red pearl, then clear coat?
im a noob at this **** so... how do it sound guys? haha
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift)
Posted by: diggles240 at 8:18 PM 6/11/2008
| Quote, originally posted by okinawa drift » |
| hmm how big are the nuts on the hardlines? 10 or 11mm?
|
clutch hardlines are 10mm....as far as the rust goes, it seems to be only surface rust, right? if that is the case, do as you stated above. i have heard many people express their dislike of spray-on primer though. they all seem to prefer brush or roll on etching primer- for whatever that is worth. if it is worse than the photo appears, a rust converter product could be an option. sorry, don't have personal experience with the krylon product, so i can't comment.
kevin
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (diggles240)
Posted by: okinawa drift at 10:00 PM 6/14/2008
also
i am having trouble finding some GL-4 for my transmission
is it GL-4 or GL-5 i use?
the other day i went to autozone to look for some redline mt-90 and they didn't have it .. walmart didn't have it either..hmmmmmm
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift)
Posted by: B-Boy DuB-L at 10:06 PM 6/14/2008
i think #1 is the neutral switch and #2 is the O.D. sensor. I dont need these right. and if so how can i plug them up. so i dont have to waste money on gettin the sensors and not using them
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift)
Posted by: 94_240sx at 11:48 AM 6/25/2008
| Quote, originally posted by okinawa drift » |
| ahh ok phew, im glad i didn't buy that stuff, where can i find redline mt-90? or any gl-4 gear oils? |
I got MT-90. Found a dealer from here.
http://www.redlineoil.com/dealers.asp
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Posted by: srpowered240sx at 9:52 AM 7/16/2008
| Quote, originally posted by BMAR240SX » |
| Hey Jon how did you remove the second to last bolt on the top driver side, im having some trouble to get it out. |
Drop the tranny crossmember and put a jack under it so you don't tear your motor mounts and smash the firewall, then you should have enough room to get an extension and a flex joint up the tranny tunnel to pull that last bolt out.
I tried a bit to get it behind the egr pipe with no luck, then a friend that was helping me showed me the trick of dropping the mount.
Also, the best way to get the tranny back on is by sticking a block of wood under the crank and jacking the front of the engine up then sliding the transmission right onto the engine. None of this get it started then rotate it up bull****, just get a friend to help line it up and giv'r ****.
I got my whole swap done in a day with 2-4 guys helping me at different times, and we took lots of beer breaks and dicked around quite a bit.
Get your swap done!
Post Title: Re: (KA24Power)
Posted by: BMAR240SX at 8:30 PM 7/21/2008
Ryan
Post Title: Re: (okinawa drift)
Posted by: darens13 at 9:33 PM 7/21/2008
| Quote, originally posted by ryan15 » |
| Damn Devin your car is coming out clean, I can tell by your neatness of the whole project your future holds many clean cars! Think im gonna pull out the essar pretty soon to spray the engine bay, you inspired me! Hit me up on the space if you need any help, I did a auto to manual when I did my RB swap on my old s13, so I know the ins outs of it! Ryan |
haha thanks man, yeah i was thinking about painting my engine bay while the engine is out, but i don't have enough money so i guess i'll do that down the road.. i took my head to the machine shop to get re-ground, and i guess there was a **** load of stuff wrong with it so it went from costing $100 to $270!
ahh yeah pull that sr and paint that ****!, how did you like that rb?
| Quote, originally posted by darens13 » |
| well buddy you inspired me. i went to grants pass and bought a 5 speed trans and i got a ka24e(that i dont need) so now i just need to get some more parts and hopefully i can swap in my new trans soon! |
hahah do it man, its a pretty easy procedure.
Post Title: Re: (okinawa drift)
Posted by: darens13 at 10:57 PM 7/22/2008
| Quote, originally posted by B-Boy DuB-L » |
| i think #1 is the neutral switch and #2 is the O.D. sensor. I dont need these right. and if so how can i plug them up. so i dont have to waste money on gettin the sensors and not using them |
Good luck
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (BMAR240SX)
Posted by: 94_240sx at 7:24 AM 8/4/2008
| Quote, originally posted by BMAR240SX » |
| Does anyone know how to plug the holes i am currently stuck on the same thing |
Sensors should be there, but someone removed them. Those holes are threaded, right? I'd go to hardware store, find the bolts that fit there, cut with Dremel, apply some liquid gasket and install. That'll do the trick.
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (B-Boy DuB-L)
Posted by: BMAR240SX at 6:07 PM 8/4/2008
Do you think the Auto Transmission drain plug will work also?
Modified by BMAR240SX at 6:29 PM 8/4/2008
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (BMAR240SX)
Posted by: okinawa drift at 10:55 PM 8/4/2008
then plug it in right?
Post Title:
Posted by: srpowered240sx at 8:41 AM 8/5/2008
| Quote, originally posted by okinawa drift » |
| ok so, in order for the car to START all you have to do is this right.. then plug it in right? |
Now you know what "JUMP" is.
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (94_240sx)
Posted by: B-Boy DuB-L at 2:36 PM 8/5/2008
anyway the automatic drain plug will not work. Or at least im pretty sure. The universal drain plug for the engine oil is good to use. The rubber expands and creates a seal
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (B-Boy DuB-L)
Posted by: BMAR240SX at 9:14 AM 8/9/2008
Hey does that green box exist in the 96 s14? I dont recall seeing one.
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (B-Boy DuB-L)
Posted by: BMAR240SX at 7:26 PM 8/11/2008
If you can find pictures of what you got cause if i am doing this wrong and effing up my transmission 
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (BMAR240SX)
Posted by: B-Boy DuB-L at 7:06 PM 8/13/2008
#1 is the rubber piece/part
#2 is the part that you twist
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (B-Boy DuB-L)
Posted by: BMAR240SX at 7:28 PM 8/13/2008
Do you have a strategy on getting the an old slave off the soft line?
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (BMAR240SX)
Posted by: B-Boy DuB-L at 9:59 PM 8/13/2008
| Quote, originally posted by okinawa drift » |
| hmm about the crank angle sensor, since the a/t had it and it on my tranny wiring harness, do i just toss the sensor since it doesn't hook up to the m/t? |
Yes.
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (B-Boy DuB-L)
Posted by: BMAR240SX at 8:46 PM 8/14/2008
Major Edit
Very tired night
Modified by BMAR240SX at 6:36 AM 8/15/2008
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (BMAR240SX)
Posted by: okinawa drift at 10:10 PM 8/14/2008
| Quote, originally posted by BMAR240SX » |
| I left the metal one in there and started the car today i am officially 5 speed swapped, i had no leaks whats so ever and i left the bolt out but in but more out so it doesn't hit anything in the engine |
congrats man, me too, started the car on 8.8.08 .. hahah no leaks or anything.. YET but it feels pretty good.. finally done..
thanks for all your help guys 
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift)
Posted by: night240 at 11:25 PM 8/14/2008
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift)
Posted by: ryan15 at 2:29 AM 8/20/2008
| Quote, originally posted by pArAdOxsqUArE » |
| i'm keeping my eye on this thread. .about to do one myself. |
| Quote, originally posted by okinawa drift » |
| hmm, i don't really have any pics of the engine/tranny but i do have pics of the car lol.. |
Come one!! We need at least picture of the shifter!! 
Good job BTW.
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (94_240sx)
Posted by: B-Boy DuB-L at 11:36 AM 8/20/2008
| Quote, originally posted by BMAR240SX » |
| This thread basically has anything and everything you need, except the wiring which needs to be displayed easier |
Your right i still havent wired up my reverse lights i dont really understand how to. The threads covering it all have different colored wires then mine. Mine are all solid colors. I thought it was the green and black wires that you have to connect but it turns out nothing worked so idk. I'm kinda stuck. anyone want to help?
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (B-Boy DuB-L)
Posted by: BMAR240SX at 9:40 PM 8/20/2008
when i try and put on the trim with the boot attached to it, it won't go on..
Post Title: Re: (okinawa drift)
Posted by: 94_240sx at 8:08 AM 8/25/2008
| Quote, originally posted by okinawa drift » |
| i've been really lazy to install the boot, but is an auto center console and manual center console the same? when i try and put on the trim with the boot attached to it, it won't go on.. |
They are same. Do you have pics? I'm having hard time visualing what you are trying to do.
Post Title: Re: (okinawa drift)
Posted by: BMAR240SX at 8:28 AM 8/25/2008
| Quote, originally posted by BMAR240SX » |
| In the console if you flip it over you will see that there is a set of screws for the second trim that was where the auto trim went, if you take that off you will have the space of a manual trim, but i never bothered to check if i can screw it on. To me it didn't look like it would work so i just left it |
You are talking about RADIO TRIM. A retangular piece needs to be removed from radio trim and leather boot will go into that place.
Remove 96960 and attach 96935. That's the only difference between auto and manual transmission center consoles/radio trims.
Modified by 94_240sx at 9:35 AM 8/25/2008
Post Title: Re: (94_240sx)
Posted by: okinawa drift at 2:28 PM 8/25/2008
thanks guys!
Post Title: Re: (okinawa drift)
Posted by: B-Boy DuB-L at 6:32 PM 8/25/2008
and to see if they work just turn the ignition on, not the car, and put the car in reverse, and they should come on
Post Title: Re: (okinawa drift)
Posted by: B-Boy DuB-L at 11:27 PM 8/25/2008
| Quote, originally posted by ryan15 » |
| SIck, is that down 126 by the river? |
you live in thurston daren?
we gotta drive on this one road called wolf creek road, i heard its crazzzy
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift)
Posted by: darens13 at 2:36 AM 8/26/2008
i still need a shift knob, i've droven about 1k miles so far without a shift knob lol
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (okinawa drift)
Posted by: darens13 at 3:05 AM 8/26/2008
| Quote, originally posted by B-Boy DuB-L » |
| Okinawa did you wire your reverse lights. I cant seem to figure mine out. PLus its really hard to see if they work wen ur the only one around. You have to set up a mirror and wut not. any help would be appreciated |
Here you go.
This is where the plug is located at. If you don't see these plugs right next to fuse/relay box, it has to be somewhere around that area. 
You see green and black wires? They go to reverse light switch. Green and black are not original colors, so don't bother.
Original colors are Green/Blue & Green/White. Green/Blue is constant boltage as you can see.
Here's the overall view. First, locate 2nd plug from the top that has 8 wires coming out. You can go from there. If still doesn't work, it's something else.
Post Title: Re: (94_240sx)
Posted by: BMAR240SX at 10:01 PM 8/26/2008
This is one hell of a thread all the info needs to be copy and pasted into one big page
Post Title: Re: (BMAR240SX)
Posted by: B-Boy DuB-L at 10:02 PM 8/26/2008
| Quote, originally posted by BMAR240SX » |
| That is yet to be done |
I know how to make it work on s14, but not on s13.
Post Title: Re: Re: (94_240sx)
Posted by: B-Boy DuB-L at 12:13 AM 8/28/2008
Umm i have no idea why mine works.
Post Title: Re: Re: (B-Boy DuB-L)
Posted by: B-Boy DuB-L at 12:13 AM 8/28/2008
edit: im sure its the not the brake sensor since i used the old one
Modified by sainifabulous at 10:40 AM 8/30/2009
Post Title: Re: 5 speed swap in progress! (sainifabulous)
Posted by: nightsauce at 11:13 AM 8/30/2009
p.s i also ask because i see you are using/used it. 
Post Title: Re: (drewce)
Posted by: rsagen at 9:10 PM 8/31/2009
| Quote, originally posted by drewce » |
| hey sorry to thread jack but i was reading upon a engine build on 240sxforumz and i came upon a post about some one saying "red high temp permatex products are corrosive" can som1 confirm this ? p.s i also ask because i see you are using/used it. |
| Quote, originally posted by sainifabulous » |
oh crap i just used some today with my valve cover tell me there good please |
Well here's the original post so id say it looks pretty legit and does cause corrosion by the sound of it.
as much as i hate to tell you but that permatex gasket maker you just put on your thermostat housing is corrosive. i go to gibson technical center and they just had a guy from permatex come and talk to us and he said never to buy the red high temp permatex products because they're corrosive. he said the only reason they still make it is "idiots still buy it" now im not calling you an idiot because if he never came to us i would have used the same s*** but just for future reference the stuff is s*** but so far man its lookin damn good
Post Title:
Posted by: spooled240 at 9:42 PM 9/1/2009
| Quote, originally posted by a_ahmed » |
| Hey guys, I have s13 engine+tranny, earl ss soft clutch line, nabco master+slave cylinder, manual crossmember, engine/tranny mounts, even got shiftboot I am just missing a non abs s13 manual driveshaft, hard line, and clutch/brake pedals... Hard line can be fabricated... so its not THAT much of an issue but id prefer getting it... and well manual driveshaft... is there any real difference between the abs and non abs ones... my car is non abs.... and last but not least i saw some sale on that courtesparts nissan site that u linked to mentioning clutch pedal... but is it the WHOLE package EVERYTHING thats needed or?... And is it necessary to get brake pedal assembly from manual? What's the difference? So again -Hard line Help <IMG NAME="icon" SRC="http://images.nicoclub.com/forums/images/smilies/smile.gif" BORDER="0"> |
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