You call them Heros'

[numbnuts240]

[RedFay]

I mean, look at it this way:

If the government didn't pay for firefighters, police, etc. Do you actually think ANYONE would do what they do?

If anything, Brien, you should be thankful for what they do.

[krazydriver]

i looked at that pic, said hmm falling over backwards isn't that bad.

then i saw the angle his leg actually was bending at. DAMN!!! that's gonna hurt

[PoorManQ45]

hahaa....you guys don't know half the stuff PMQ does...his thread from back in the day were legendary for being locked and or just shatwalked all over..and not just by members, by the mods and admins, oh man, good times, i just use to watch back then like a voyeur hiding in your closet while you take a poop.

We had some good times.

I've cleaned it up alot, but someone else brought this one back up.

The thread yesterday that got deleted wasn't bad. I guess someone was upset by facts.

I mean, look at it this way:

If the government didn't pay for firefighters, police, etc. Do you actually think ANYONE would do what they do?

If anything, Brien, you should be thankful for what they do.

Actually yes, I know for a fact that they would.

One of our members, Nchopp IIRC, was a volunteer firefighter. Those guys are truely selfless.

[PoorManQ45]

Anyways, IB4TL!!!

It's probably time to lock this one up.

Differing points of view. No resolution is going to come of this. I think someone should lock this one.

[Beancooker]

I'll bet you would like it locked. Nothing like opening Pandora's box, and wishing you could close it.

You made your bed. Enjoy it.

[Mr1der]

I sometimes forget what a raging moron you are...

[ADDirishboy]

Many people do this even when it's not their job!

You are defining a sppcific job as being heroic. What I am saying is that being a firemen doesn't make you heroic. Saving someone when noone else will is!

If I see someone who's life is in danger I will be damn sure to do everything in my power to attempt to help them.

This is heroism. There are many authoritative figures that simply issue parking tickets. Yet some of their fellow employees save lives. Should I call the ones that issue tickets heros because of their buddies? NO!!!

What you're not speaking of about 9/11 is the civilians that rushed back into the buildings, or the ones that stayed behind to ensure that others got out that died.

Respect is not given, it is earned.

I'll respond to this raging heep of stupidity when I get back from my fire hydraulics class. I already responded to it once, but it was locked and it wouldn't let me copy it.

[yelnatsch517]

My previous statements stand.

He is a Captain. He is fat and lazy. Although he has lost weight, but he's still lazy

I have had numerous encounters with firemen. I do ask them. Their response is, "we are keeping people safe"

WTF? how is driving around in the rain with lights and siren going keeping people safe?

Note, I always run into them at the local grocery store as they are shopping on the clock.

They work 24 hours on, 24 hours off, sometimes 48/48, even 72/72. This makes no sense still to me as there is no reason that they couldn't have normal shifts like every other job. If they're in the middle of an emergency they stay late just like any other job.

With the current setup they immediately get overtime pay(or whatever it's called for salary).

Uh no, are you saying? Doing what you suggests would give them overtime, not what they are doing now. They can't do what they do with normal shifts simple because it would be inefficient. They still work 40 hours a week, averaged out.

And no, I do not consider them heroes simply because they are doing exactly what they are paid to do. They, however, are not douchebags nearly as much as police officers. Anyhow, you make it sound like their current working conditions are left up to them when in reality, they have no say in their hours. Firemen all around the country work in this fashion so stop being retarded, it's not a local thing.

As for driving up and down the road with lights blairing when it is raining, it's called pacing. It is to make sure the cars on the road do not drive too fast. Stop being retarded and think for once before you judge. Why in the world would they want to do that if they had to the choice not to? Do you even think about that? I can tell you to a certainty, they aren't driving up and down because they think it's fun and if you do, you are even more retarded than I give you credit for.

As for the lights, it is called sensors. Stop being retarded and get out of your little well. In california, there are sensors in ever single freakin intersection and the ones in the fire station driveway simply have priority over the others just like the left turn lane that turns into my housing community. YES that is right. If even a single car is in this lane, it will stop all traffic to allow the car to proceed to make a left turn; however, the lane coming out of the community has an even higher priority. It will stop all traffic if a car wants to exit. Technology, learn about it.

Edit:I just realized that when you first made this thread you probably had just received your license. If that is the case, I do not understand why you would post about something in which you are so ignorant.
Modified by yelnatsch517 at 3:10 PM 5/12/2009

[mcheddadi]

this thread fail based on OP post lol

[PoorManQ45]

And no, I do not consider them heroes simply because they are doing exactly what they are paid to do. They, however, are not douchebags nearly as much as police officers. Anyhow, you make it sound like their current working conditions are left up to them when in reality, they have no say in their hours. Firemen all around the country work in this fashion so stop being retarded, it's not a local thing.

I can agree with you there.

As for driving up and down the road with lights blairing when it is raining, it's called pacing. It is to make sure the cars on the road do not drive too fast. Stop being retarded and think for once before you judge. Why in the world would they want to do that if they had to the choice not to? Do you even think about that? I can tell you to a certainty, they aren't driving up and down because they think it's fun and if you do, you are even more retarded than I give you credit for.

The problem with this is that per law, think nation wide, you must give the right of way by pulling over to an emergency vehicle. This "pacing" is in some instances causing actions due to rear end collisions with people that have hastily pulled over to the side and the people that may be slightly distracted behind them.

I can understand the slow down thing, but why not do it all the time then? I understand it's raining and this somewhat imposes a driving hazard, but the roads they're doing this on are all straight, no hills, and 45MPH speed limits. People already are driving 45 or less when it's raining. Do we really need an emergency vehicle out "setting the pace"?

As for the lights, it is called sensors. Stop being retarded and get out of your little well. In california, there are sensors in ever single freakin intersection and the ones in the fire station driveway simply have priority over the others just like the left turn lane that turns into my housing community.

I understand the sensors and how they work. The right of way to emergency vehicles is obviously a good thing

[PoorManQ45]

I'll bet you would like it locked. Nothing like opening Pandora's box, and wishing you could close it.

You made your bed. Enjoy it.

Actually I requested this to be locked as I figured if my factual based thread got deleted that this surely would be locked or get me a vacation.

If someone wants to share their differing of opinion in any situation I will be glad to respond

[Jesda]

[ADDirishboy]

Many people do this even when it's not their job!

You are defining a sppcific job as being heroic. What I am saying is that being a firemen doesn't make you heroic. Saving someone when noone else will is!

If I see someone who's life is in danger I will be damn sure to do everything in my power to attempt to help them.

This is heroism. There are many authoritative figures that simply issue parking tickets. Yet some of their fellow employees save lives. Should I call the ones that issue tickets heros because of their buddies? NO!!!

What you're not speaking of about 9/11 is the civilians that rushed back into the buildings, or the ones that stayed behind to ensure that others got out that died.

Respect is not given, it is earned.

Ignorance and stupidity at it's finest.

You say that you would do everything in your power to help someone who's life is in danger. And you know what, maybe you would try to help someone in a fire or other dangerous situation. And if you did, I would consider that heroic.

But the fact remains that most people, when faced with that kind of situation, turn and run. We gladly charge through a door, window, or other entrance with flames shooting out of it to save whatever life we can. That, right there, is THE definition of heroic. Whether you do it for a career and get paid to do it, or just happen to have huge balls, it's heroic.

You talk about the civilians who ran back into the towers on 9/11. I'm sure there were civilians who tried to help. I consider that a heroic act. I doubt there were very many of those whoever. There were also police officers who died in the towers. 60 of them actually. And each and every one of them are heroes. Now, I don't consider every policeman a hero. A lot of them only hand out tickets and act like ***holes. But there are plenty of them who I consider heroes.

Now, show me a fireman who has not done something heroic over the coarse of his career. That is just what our job is. no one else on this planet is trained specifically to run into a burning building to pull some complete stranger out. Now, you say that respect is not given, but instead earned. I say that every single fireman has earned more respect than you could ever hope to have shown to you.

[PoorManQ45]

Alright, I guess I was out of line with the 9/11 thing. I apologize.

What is your stance on paid firemen vs volunteer?

[AZ89two4Tsx]

Quit digging yourself a bigger hole. Wasn't the pwnage Tyler just delivered to you enough? Guess not.

[ADDirishboy]

Seeing how I've done volunteer firefighting, I think it's great. If you have the time, you should do it. But, your not doing as much as a paid fireman. Yea, your on scene and helping out. Your not running into that burning building though.

[ADDirishboy]

Also, you talk about how many firemen are overweight. Yea, there are overweight firemen. Wonder why? Cause they don't have the time to make themselves healthy lunches or dinners. It never fails, halfway through cooking something, you get a call. You choose something that can be made fast. We order pizza a lot. And you know what? They f***ing deserve to eat whatever they choose.

Think for a second. You just got back from a stressful call. A child just died in a car accident, or something like that. Do you really wanna make yourself and the crew a meal? No. The chief probably already ordered pizza or something like that.

It's a highly stressful life. Wanna know the biggest killer among firemen? Heart attacks due to stress. I wonder why.

[RCA]

I really can't understand why people get SOO butt hurt.Why is it people can't TRY to understand another man's point-of-view while stating their own

[yelnatsch517]

I really can't understand why people get SOO butt hurt.Why is it people can't TRY to understand another man's point-of-view while stating their own

My personality dna dictates that I can't.

[ADDirishboy]

Because when you disrespect men and women who gladly give their lives to protect the people of a community, your wrong. There is no opinion here. Disrespect people like that, and you yourself deserve none in return.
Modified by ADDirishboy at 7:50 PM 5/12/2009

[Beancooker]

Modified by ADDirishboy at 7:50 PM 5/12/2009

Wonder what it said before that...

[240marcuSX]

Oh my god. This thread again.

[PoorManQ45]

What are your thoughts on the old all volunteer firefighter crews?

[RCA]

Because when you disrespect men and women who gladly give their lives to protect the people of a community, your wrong. There is no opinion here. Disrespect people like that, and you yourself deserve none in return. Modified by ADDirishboy at 7:50 PM 5/12/2009

I truly think you are the last person who should be responding on this thread, just because of your OBVIOUS biased.

[ADDirishboy]

I truly think you are the last person who should be responding on this thread, just because of your OBVIOUS biased.

Yes, I am very biased towards something like this. That does not change the fact that you don't get to disrespect the men and women of the FD. And you ESPECIALLY don't get to say anything that even f***ing SOUNDS like disrespect when you are talking about the 343 that died in 9/11. That is what really pissed me off about this thread.

Same thing goes for all of our troops. I don't care whether or not you agree with the politics behind the wars. But those men and women who are laying down their lives deserve respect. End of story.

[snwbrdr435]

What are your thoughts on the old all volunteer firefighter crews?

Thats what my town has. It works alright, but over last summer there were times were the only 2 full time firefighters were the only ones to show up on calls......... Thats not good.

[ADDirishboy]

Thats what my town has. It works alright, but over last summer there were times were the only 2 full time firefighters were the only ones to show up on calls......... Thats not good.

Very true. Full volunteer crews work well to an extent. But when it all comes down to it, your a volunteer. If you have to go do something, you can leave. It can sometimes end up like how you said, with 2 guys responding to a call. That's not enough bodies. f***, we run 4-5 people per ambo.

[s0m3th1ngAZ]

Jesus...you are worse than nala because it SEEMS that you have intelligence, but you are wasting it on ignorance and b****ing.I challenge your view that people would step in if there were no police or emergency folk.For one..anyone who actually responded would be at best poorly trained and at worse a liability,They also wouldn't even come IMO. Nothing like a gunfight to freak everyone into their homes. When a blaze erupts at the local factory or that apartment complex down the street, you will see hundreds of people standing around BUT NOT HELPING. I mean sure if a kid was hanging out of a 2nd story window on FIRE they might lend a hand but what could one poorly trained individual do besides adding fuel?

[PoorManQ45]

Jesus...you are worse than nala because it SEEMS that you have intelligence, but you are wasting it on ignorance and b****ing.I challenge your view that people would step in if there were no police or emergency folk.For one..anyone who actually responded would be at best poorly trained and at worse a liability,They also wouldn't even come IMO. Nothing like a gunfight to freak everyone into their homes. When a blaze erupts at the local factory or that apartment complex down the street, you will see hundreds of people standing around BUT NOT HELPING. I mean sure if a kid was hanging out of a 2nd story window on FIRE they might lend a hand but what could one poorly trained individual do besides adding fuel?

With the current system I think you are correct. If the police suddenly disbanded I don't think many people would take action.

But what if the current system was never implemented? Look back to the 1700s. The entire army that defended the US from the british were local farmers that volunteered.

Firefighters were all volunteers at that time also.

I guess i'm looking at this from a different perspective of "what could have been".