Who Killed JFK?

[Onizuka]

[Mr1der]

I'm betting that neck wound is the exit while the the entrance smashed his skull. wasn't there a bullet recovered from the back of the front seat of the car as well?

[Get240DiZzY]

Mmm, you're correct... in the video it looks more like the front of his head "comes off".

Now it looks like I'm back to the conspiricy side again?

How bizarre would it be to be the guy that shot him, be sitting at home in a recliner, watching some of these t.v. shows, going, "Man, that's not even close to how I did it." or, "Hey, there I am in that picture!" Whooooo.

[Get240DiZzY]

I'm betting that neck wound is the exit while the the entrance smashed his skull.

Nah, 3 shots were fired. On hit JFK in the neck, one hit the Texas Governor (in the same car as him), and one killed him.

Or was it 2 shots, one through the neck and hit the Gov., one killed him. I can't remember anymore. Either way, there were 2 seperate bullets that went through him.

[VimyJ]

Like I said, it was an easy shot. 2 out of 3 by a Marine marksman.

Jspec, can you edit your image of the lifeless face of JFK? It takes up about 2.5 times the width of my screen.

[VimyJ]

Here is the evidence:-bullet hole in the front window (5+ witnesses)-gaping exit wound at back of skull (16 professional doctors beared witness to this examining JFK's body at the hospital before it was stolen by the secret service and flown to washington illegally)-evidence wipped clean from limo before it could be reported-JFK's head is dramatically moving backwards durring the impact of the shot

No evidence in the the film of hole in the windshield.

No gaping exit wound from the back of the head evident on the film. Massive evidence of exit wound plainly evident.

JFK's head snapping back by energized ejecta from exit wound. Skull is enclosed vessel. Bullet imparted huge amount of energy in an enclosed space that forced the victim's head back explained by Newton's Third Law.

You have to admit, a single shooter explains everything concisely. Conspiracies require huge amounts of explanations, conspirators, logistics. No leaks?

OJ is innocent.:rolleyes Some belive that, too.

[longrunQ]

Occams Razor. Simplest explanation is almost always right. 80 yards is nothing. Check out Daley Plaza sometime. Easy shot for a trained Marine marksman. Flintlock from that range would be 50/50.

"For every question, there is an answer that is clear, simple, and wrong."

[SHIFT_Z]

I watched a special on ABC about the JFK assassination. It was Oswald acting alone. He fired 3 shots in roughly 8 seconds. This is very possible because some old guy did it with the exact rifle that Oswald used. Oswald was also an expert marksman. The first short missed- second shot hit JFK in the back, and the exit wound was out of the neck, (hitting the governor sitting in front of him)- third shot was the fatal shot that hit him in the back of the head. Possibility of the shot coming from the front is impossible because of the angle of the wound. The angle, (if shot from the front) goes upward- Meaning that someone who fired it would need to be lying on the ground... and the direction from which it came from (eliminating the grassy knoll) was also ruled out.

[Stoneage_Turbo]

the abc show clearly showed the "majic bullet" deal , no majic , bullet 2 traveld straight and true , and i totlay belive that .

the head snapping back is still a questionable thing , perhaps a muscle reaction , bullet may have nailed a nerve or passed thru the back of the head and wedged thru a vertbre on the left/right side of the neck expanding that particlar joint like driveing a wedge into 2 peices of material making the head snap back

castro claimed it would be suicide on his part to send out an order like that , for sure the us would have invaded cuba ,(anyone remeber afganistan)

ruby ran a strip club , strip clubs arent ususly a maffia type bisness , more like the maffia uses some dumb bastards strip club as a hideout, any good maffia boss would have known ruby wouldnt make for a good hitman , he was int he sportlight too much as it was , but the maffia did have a score to settle with him .......

as for the government doing it , i seriously doubt it , if they didnt want kenndey they would have rigged the election by throwing a wrench in the florida vote much like how some view y2k ...good thing i didnt like bush or gore , i now see how someone will go after me , kennedy had been president for quite some time by then , the govt would have just waited for the next election much like most of the US is right now

[Onizuka]

No evidence in the the film of hole in the windshield.

No gaping exit wound from the back of the head evident on the film. Massive evidence of exit wound plainly evident.

JFK's head snapping back by energized ejecta from exit wound. Skull is enclosed vessel. Bullet imparted huge amount of energy in an enclosed space that forced the victim's head back explained by Newton's Third Law.

You have to admit, a single shooter explains everything concisely. Conspiracies require huge amounts of explanations, conspirators, logistics. No leaks?

OJ is innocent.:rolleyes Some belive that, too.

-no evidence at all from the limo, but clearly blood spatter everywhere. 2 day span where limo was missing from the whitehouse garage after the assassination. Mmmm, i wonder where it was...

-Gigantic exit wound at back of head as shown in autopsy photos i just posted

-You oviously dont know ANYTHING about physics. Acceleration = force / mass you weeny. If a bullet hits an object with a force of 50 newtons (kg m/s^2) and the object has a mass of 20 kilograms, how much does the object accelerate? 2.5m/s^2. THEARFOR. A bullet flying through the air with a certain force WILL accelerate the object it hits in a positive direction AWAY from where the bullet was fired from.

-2 wounds on JFK, 3 on the person infront of him, warren commision said one bullet missed. 2 bullets, 5 wounds. Tons of leaks, hundreds of testimonies from eyewitnesses, goverment officials, doctors and analytical scientists all agree with me that there was more than one gunner. There was a show on history channel that not only had LHO's girlfreind (also a government employee), it had the person who drove LHO to the building where he was accussed of assassination the president from. the person confermed LHO has a small package no longer then 2 foot. The rifle dis-assembled needed a container at least 3 feet long.

"The Rifle:

Known as the rifle that was never fired and only dropped once. The WW2 6.5x52mm model 38 Mannlicher Carcano is arguably the worst military rifle ever made. Among its many known defects include but are not limited to,Improperly sized breech and bore, improperly crowned muzzle, incessive or excessive headspace,faulty extractor, worn or faulty trigger-sear, improperly heat treated firing-pin, badly tempered springs, misaligned sights, excessive barrel run-out, all working to make this weapon nearly as dangerous to the shooter as it is to the target."

why buy the worst availble rifle for $15 to assassinate the president when he could have spent a little more and bought a M1 garand, a rifle he was trained with and is un-deniably more accurate and reliable.

There is zero evidence of LHO ever training with the rifle and zero fingerprints on the rifle found.

Lee Harvy Oswald, Employee for the Government of the United States of America: falsely accused and wrongly murdered.

[VimyJ]

"why buy the worst availble rifle for $15 to assassinate the president when he could have spent a little more and bought a M1 garand, a rifle he was trained with and is un-deniably more accurate and reliable?"

Apparently, a $15 rifle was all he needed. Easy shot. Tained marksman. The fillm says it all.

Blood spatter from exit wound. It was quite graphically recorded on the film.

Bullet enters the back of the skull deforming in the process, transfers it energy to brain tissue, breaks through the upper left forehead (his head was bent down from the first shot) and sprays everything.

Skull was fractured. Huge exit wound on the forehead and small hole in the back. You've seen the film I trust.

Bobby Kennedy was Attorney General. Was he in on it too?

OJ is innocent. Little green men in Roswell. Creationism. Flat Earth adherents. "Face on Mars" believers. All have plenty to say about why they beleive.

Occam's Razor. One shooter. Three shots. Easy shots. Explains it all rather concisely, don't you agree?

What I find interesting are the various conspiracies and motives people strive to create. Why? What is so hard to accept? Hinkley acted alone. Carter and Ford both had assassination attempts made upon them. It happens all the time in the US. I heard it described once as, "Assassination, that most American of tragdies." Lincoln, McKinley, JFK. TR took a bullet. Don't be so shocked. There are nutballs with guns running around the US. That is a given.

"Weeny"? LMAO.

[Onizuka]

[quote=" VimyJ [BSkull was fractured. Huge exit wound on the forehead and small hole in the back. You've seen the film I trust. [/quote]

yeah, if he was shot from his back-right, shouldent the enourmous hole be located around his left eyeball? :rolleyes (the red stuff is the undersid of his scalp that is peeled back from the hole)



I'm done arguing with you. All you say is Occam's Razor this and one shooter that. Why dont you actually try and dig up some evidence that contradicts ANYTHING im saying.

If the anser for everything is so god damn simple where you live I want to move there, because here where i live in reality we have prove things with science and reason.

10-18% of americans belive LHO killed Kennedy. (wow, such a whopping majority)

[VimyJ]

70% of American's believe in ESP. 70% of Americans beleive Iraq was directly involved in 9-11.

My evidence is the film and the Warren commission. Contradicts all your conspiracy beliefs easily and concisely. Well, the Warren report was 17,000 pages long.

The photo sure looks like an exit wound to me. No bullet "hole" except for the one in the back.

Bullets do change their course upon penetration of flesh (fluid dynamics) and with the head down from the first shot it all points to one shooter.

Trained shooter. Easy shot. Lots of nutballs with guns.

Aliens built the pyramids.

[s86d]

realize that this will be unsolved because the men who sucessfully pulled this off are going to die taking the secret with them. no confessions, no pointing fingers, just us deer in headlight americans saying gee what was that noise (while looking at the presidents exploding cranium).

[VimyJ]

It is solved. Assassin was Lee Harvey Oswald. Ex-Marine malcontent.

[Onizuka]

Trained shooter. Easy shot. Lots of nutballs with guns.

"LHO would have been trained in the basics of tactical ambush and would have been true to this training as well.If LHO had acted in the manner the WC and its apologists would have you believe, he would have violated nearly every tenet he was trained in. A case in point would be that no military trained shooters would ever outline themselves against a dark backdrop, such as shooting from an open window while positioned in that window."

[Onizuka]

Bullets from the same gun according to the warren commision.





"I can only conclude that WC CE-399 was fired from a high quality six-groove barreled rifle, possibly a sniper-rifle, and the bullet represented as HSCA CE-399 was fired from a much cruder four-groove rifle, at least consistent with an MC rifle.

Around the bullets near their bases is a cut, ridged groove called the cannelure.When passing through the blood and tissue of a live body, it will invariably become packed with organic stuff. Had either bullet passed through a live body they would show evidence of that passing.

One can only speculate on the ways and means, and hows and whys this is so, but the inescapable truth of the matter is WC CE-399 and HSCA CE-399 are TWO DIFFERENT BULLETS, fired from DIFFERENT WEAPONS, and neither one of them impacted a live-body"

[s86d]

It is solved. Assassin was Lee Harvey Oswald. Ex-Marine malcontent.

granted marines sometimes arent the smartest but with even the basics of military marksmanship you learn concealment... I dont fell like arguing this just use your brain and add up the variables....equaling dead president no answers, just another knotch off of the goverment trust. ( think even harder now and answer this ? When is democracy going to fail)

[VimyJ]

LHO would have raised a few eyebrows if he had shown up to work in his ninja outfit and a blackened face would have drawn a ridiculous amount of attention counterproductive to escape.

He showed up to work with a gun in a box and wasted the president on his lunch hour. Good shooter and easy shots. Go to Daley Plaza some time. You'll see what I mean.

[s86d]

been there and the austin tower. bottom line if someone wants you dead. you die no matter how powerful or protected the person is.

[Onizuka]

LHO would have raised a few eyebrows if he had shown up to work in his ninja outfit and a blackened face would have drawn a ridiculous amount of attention counterproductive to escape.

He showed up to work with a gun in a box and wasted the president on his lunch hour. Good shooter and easy shots. Go to Daley Plaza some time. You'll see what I mean.

this statment shows me how little you actually know on the subject. he showed up with something wraped in brown paper aproxematly 2 feet in length. The rifle dis-assembled would need a package 3 feet long.

"the WC reported that LHO allegedly carried the disassembled rifle into the TBSD wrapped in brown paper. The FBI reported the rifle to be well oiled but upon microscopic examination, could find no evidence of oil anywhere upon the alleged wrapping paper. FYI, brown paper wicks oil like a sponge. He is also alleged to have reassembled the rifle with a dime. I attempted this with 2 Carcanos I had access to, using a circulated pre 64 silver dime and found it to be wider than the screw slots and useless as a assembly tool"

[VimyJ]

"( think even harder now and answer this ? When is democracy going to fail)"

I hate to beat a dead horse but it could be argued that democracy failed Nov. 2000. The man with the most votes turned out not to be the president all "Republic" issues aside.

"dead president no answers". That about sums up why people are looking so hard for answers. The crime doesn't seem to fit the punishment to turn a phrase. There is a disconnect. How could a putz like Oswald knock off the leader off the free world so easily? Perfect location. Motive and opportunity. Oswald had both.

Looks like Oswald was enjoying the notoriety tremendously after he was caught. Ruby sure spoiled his demented fun .

[Onizuka]

How could a putz like Oswald knock off the leader off the free world so easily? Perfect location. Motive and opportunity. Oswald had both.

What was his motive?

Looks like Oswald was enjoying the notoriety tremendously after he was caught. Ruby sure spoiled his demented fun .

Oswald didnt smile or show one ounce of joy after being caught. He denied killing the president publicly every chance he got in the two days between his arrest and murder. I watched all the videos. You obviously didnt.

How did ruby sneek into a heavily guarded government building with a pistol? Yes he was there and yes he shot LHO, but his entrence is very suspicious, why would a well known mobster be let in?

The Warren Commision report is the most horridly un-accuret legal document ever produced. It only has testimonies from government employees, but is suspiciouly missing ALL those of the 65 individuals who reported shots from the grassy knoll, 16 doctors reporting the exit wound at the back of the head and 5 people who reported a hole in the front windsheild. But i guess the word of 86+ people doesnt mean anything.

[s86d]

:Werd

[VimyJ]

Ruby walked in with the rest of the media horde and was buddybuddy with the local cops. Remember, it was the 60s. All those reporters in that cop house is amazing to me these days.

Jspec, go to Daley Plaza. I had my doubts until I went there. Practically point and shoot.

Oswald was being given a rough time but I like his comment to the question "Did you shoot the president?"

Oswald says, "I haven't been charged with shooting the president."

Oswald had above average intelligence (IMHO) and a long history of discontent with the political status quo. Doesn't mean he wasn't a nutball. Means he was a dangerous nutball.

[s86d]

vimy your missing the point at 80 yards you can flinch, sneeze /whatever and hit your mark most of the time and this was with a accurate rifle (not a crappy M16) the only reference i have sorry.... newho a 1960s housewife could have splattered his stuff all over jackie but WE WONT KNOW!!

[VimyJ]

But we do know. Nutball former Marine with a $15 rifle. Opportunity came knocking. Talk about being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

"A well regulated militia..." When do the good regulations get put into action?

[Onizuka]

Ruby walked in with the rest of the media horde and was buddybuddy with the local cops. Remember, it was the 60s. All those reporters in that cop house is amazing to me these days.

Jspec, go to Daley Plaza. I had my doubts until I went there. Practically point and shoot.

Oswald was being given a rough time but I like his comment to the question "Did you shoot the president?"

Oswald says, "I haven't been charged with shooting the president."

Oswald had above average intelligence (IMHO) and a long history of discontent with the political status quo. Doesn't mean he wasn't a nutball. Means he was a dangerous nutball.

Ruby DID NOT walk in with the media, check your facts. Even the WC says he snuck in from the garage entrance ramp, even through there was a gaurd there who swears that nobody came in or left while he was there. His statment wasnt in the WC report either, go figure.

I dont need to go to DP, I already know the shot is posible. The shot was posible from a myriad of places, because of the prone position in the motorcade JFK was intentionally put by the secret service.

LHO was intelligent, he worked for the military on many covert and secret projects/missions. Even a smart man cant defend himself when he is dead. Sure is convenient for the government.

[Onizuka]

But we do know. Nutball former Marine with a $15 rifle. Opportunity came knocking. Talk about being in the wrong place at the wrong time.

"A well regulated militia..." When do the good regulations get put into action?

not former, he still worked for the government.

what opportunity? what motive? why? why would he do it? What would he gain?

[VimyJ]

Watch out for those Texan civil servants. They kill a lot of people.