What would you pay for a Supercharger kit?

[240Knightrider]

Yes I do have access to a machine shop actually.

LIke I said all mounting brakets and pipes are being fabricated.

I have researched every type possible and I like the Roots style better. I have talke to a lot of people who really just dont like the Centrifugals.

No you didnt mispell feasible. Anything is feasible if you put your mind to it. Not being rude but your comment on making a roots blower work an a KA not being Feasible is rediculous.

The Base kit will have a 6 to 71/2 lb boost pulley. Some more test and ill make my decision. I will offer a higher boost pulley. Fuel management. Im gonna try to offer an intercooler and aftercooler setup and Fuel management, fuel pump.

But things like injectors and a tuned Ecu will defiantly be upgrades. only 6lbs of boost your stock setup can handle it with a fuel pump and the FMU.

I dont want to post pictures until the final product is ready and I have the Licensing for it. I will work on the C.A.R.B. Certification for the CA guys.

[Chezedik]

There is ALWAYS spool. You may just not have a proper command on what spool means.

[Chezedik]

Oh, and CARB cert is easy for a supercharger.

[1990flatblack240]

Is this going to be for Dohc and Sohc?

[Kenrik]

Whatever you do make sure we can keep our ACs!!! I would pay $2000 for a complete system if I could keep my AC.

[240Knightrider]

oh hell yeah the ACs are stayin lol. Its going to be for the DOHC. but if this takes off I will possible start a kit for SOHC, and SR

[1990flatblack240]

i doubt there would be a big market for the sr since they are already turboed..

[240Knightrider]

haha, not SR i meant CA

[A34D4ME]

No you didnt mispell feasible. Anything is feasible if you put your mind to it. Not being rude but your comment on making a roots blower work an a KA not being Feasible is rediculous.

I said that it probably isn't feasible to make a cost effective unit for these cars. In order to be cost effective, you need to sell a certain number of units. Because other companies like Wiend(Holly) don't offer these, it's probably a good indication that it's not cost effective.

Please don't think I'm trying to squash your initiative though - if you think you can do it, by all means go for it.

I'm just wondering, are you familiar with what it takes to produce such a device and what it will cost? Or, are you just planning on taking a unit from another car and fabricating the mounting hardware? That would defenitly be a way to go.

[Chezedik]

That sounds exactly what he is doing. And if it were from a common model, I am sure that he could make his money selling just the mounts and gear.

[240Knightrider]

I said that it probably isn't feasible to make a cost effective unit for these cars. In order to be cost effective, you need to sell a certain number of units. Because other companies like Wiend(Holly) don't offer these, it's probably a good indication that it's not cost effective.

I dont think your trying to squash it man. No problems lol.

I see your point with the cost effectivness. But I disagree to a point. There are a lot of parts say for Hondas, and eclipses. As you know they are more popular. As 240s become more popular we are seeing more parts being made. Greddy just came out with the turbo kit for the 240 not to long ago. I have a feeling and im sure you and most on this site believe that 240s will become even more poplular after the fast and the furious 3 comes out.

Im using Supercharger from another vehicle, not starting from scratch.

That sounds exactly what he is doing. And if it were from a common model, I am sure that he could make his money selling just the mounts and gear.

yeah, I believe I could to. Hopefully though I can take it step further and make it a complete "bolt on" type kit. of course nothing like this is really bolt on.

[DrifterProdigy85]

i used to have a video of a Supercharged SR20 from Australia. Jun built motor making 600whp or something crazy like that. After watching that video it made me want to ditch the turbo and get something that made more instantaneous power. If the kit will make some half decent power with an SR i could be interested with my other 240. Interested in SOHC KA kit as well.

[DrifterProdigy85]

The kit could be easier to make if the AC was eliminated. That will give plenty of room for the charger and have direct access to the crank pulley. Realistically who needs AC when you can put the windows down and drive faster. AC takes power from the car anyways. Ditch it and be done.

[240Knightrider]

thats if I wanted to put the AC that close to the Headers and i really dont think that stands for reliability. I dont want to heat wrap all my stuff.

A/C stays for those days when traffic is heavy and its hot. I rarely use it except for traffic and if I am on a date.

In my opinion the kit probably wouldnt sell as well if it eliminated the A/c

[eds13]

what type of hp/touque upgrade are we talkin?... please make one for the SOHC!

[240Knightrider]

No HP or TQ claims until im finished

I am considering doing the SOHC if the DOHC does good.

[240sHorTy]

Putting the SC in the stock A/C position isn't exactly a cakewalk either. I've been working on a SC setup that uses a slk230 kompressor mounted in that location. In the OEM application it is mounted on the passenger side of the engine. It is smaller than most roots setups. So far I've: Removed the AC bracket. Cut the bottom 1/2" or so off the power steering bracket. It now uses only one bolt and a welded tab to hold it in position. I found an appropriate pulley in the scrap yard and welded it onto the front of the crank pulley. This moves the setup forward a few inches from the stock AC pulley, which is the rearmost pulley. I fabricated two mounting plates out of 1/8" steel and some angle. This setup mounts the supercharger to the block using the AC bolt holes. I have mounted the SC in position and can use an alternator belt to run it, but...

Even after moving the SC forward by adding the new pulley, the SC still only has less than one inch in rear from the engine mount where I have to pipe the intake to. The outlet has approx. 2" clearance from the frame rail. I can make piping that will work, but fear it may be too restrictive.

I am currently working on another bracket using hinges, to bring it closer to the block and I can get another pulley if need be to mount it another inch or two forward.

My point in saying all that is this: Most OEM superchargers are bigger than the one I am using, and this one is proving very difficult to mount once piping is accounted for. There are aftermarket superchargers that may use less space, but that kind of defeats the purpose as he couldn't make money if he's gotta pay out too much for the superchargers. If he can make it work in another location, I say go for it. I should like to see how the whole thing turns out.

I don't mean to threadjack, Knightrider. I have no intention of marketing my setup. Just my .02. Good luck.

[Red coupe]

So has any one seen pics? I guessing that If we haven't seen pics, there isn't much physical work done. Lots of people have talked about this before, lets see some progress!

[240Knightrider]

I dont want to post pics because im worried of people stealing the actual design of it. Like I said no pics until I have all Licensing setup.

240sHorty? what car are you putting this on?The A/c compressor is on the drivers side not the passenger.

[95lstegman]

rule #1 of reliability: NO FMU. your customers will be very happy to have real fuel management that is both reliable and upgradeable. an FMU is risky business, mister.

also, definitely keep the air conditioning. lots of people want to keep their A/C.

[240sHorTy]

It's going on my '95 240. What I was saying is that the SLK230 uses it on the passenger side of the engine and pipes the compressed charge to the intake. It is not mounted on top like most OEM supercharger setups. It is a fairly compact SC. Short and stubby. I am putting it underneath the power steering on the driver's side.

I live in Michigan, so to me AC is a luxury, not a necessity. Plus it hasn't worked since I purchased the car anyway.

[GEO]

PintoTech is already working on one.

[240Knightrider]

rule #1 of reliability: NO FMU. your customers will be very happy to have real fuel management that is both reliable and upgradeable. an FMU is risky business, mister.

also, definitely keep the air conditioning. lots of people want to keep their A/C.

Hhhmmm, ok I just dont want to do anything ECU wise on a basic kit....ill look deeper and see what I find Thanks

It's going on my '95 240. What I was saying is that the SLK230 uses it on the passenger side of the engine and pipes the compressed charge to the intake. It is not mounted on top like most OEM supercharger setups. It is a fairly compact SC. Short and stubby. I am putting it underneath the power steering on the driver's side.

I live in Michigan, so to me AC is a luxury, not a necessity. Plus it hasn't worked since I purchased the car anyway.

oh ok i gotcha now, i misread it.

[A34D4ME]

So, you are fabricating hardware to mount an existing unit. That is a different animal all together. I thought you were going to make the whole blower.

I would try a pully on the end of a shaft to bring the unit back some.

Anyway, it's safe to post pictures because you can't patent mounting hardware, unless there is something unique or unusual about it. You might want to double check but unless you are doing something out of the ordinary you probably can't get a patent.

To hell with it though - just crank those biotches out and sell them.

By the way, HP gains would be about the same as for a turbo with similar boost. It just comes on a lot quicker.

[Chezedik]

I would be inclined to buy them even if I knew how to make them, just because it is likely to be affordable, and to pay props. This would be a neat deal if you finish. Also, I would not be worried by an FMU for low boost (up to 7psi), but you would have to include a Walbro, or the stock pump couldn't handle the press.

[240Knightrider]

yeah, im gonna include the 255 pump.

I still can patent the work. It will have a unique design to it. Im sure Greddy did this with their turbo kit for the 240s

Anyone can make a kit but to make one that works and is reliable with a warranty thats a whole different different story. and thats what I want.

[gepeto]

I would LOVE to buy this, however, it would have to fit under a decent hood..

Is it gonna require a really big scoop or anything?

[PantherRacer]

Make a supertubo kit when you're done and you shall be my hero.Hell if the Nissan march can have a supercharger and a turbo the 240/Silvia can have it too damnit!

Real boost

here's an Idea I stole from some toyota guy

gatta give homeboy his props lolol http://www.geocities.com/Motor....html
Modified by PantherRacer at 12:01 PM 12/18/2005

[DrifterProdigy85]

Placing a SC in the AC position might work better with the SOHC KA since the power steering is on the passenger side.

[Chezedik]

Why would twin charging be better? The gains would be minimal at best for a very expensive setup to show to your friends. The March has it because it would be a pud without it.