What a day...

[Jesda]

Oh, something interesting I forgot to mention.

When first going through the new hire paperwork they made us sign a form that said if we quit without giving a two week notice that they would charge us $96 per day for up to two weeks due to loss of income(contracting company)

Any idea on how exactly that works. I initially was amused by it as the companies aren't required to give you two weeks notice before they fire you...

First rule of business law: "A deal's a deal."

If you're wondering how it works, its because you signed an agreement making it work that way.

[PoorManQ45]

I find it interesting that you guys are advocating working off the clock

[93coupe]

I find it interesting that you guys are advocating working off the clock

I find it interesting that every time you post, I realize that you are more of a faggoty douche bag than I thought. Seriously, you're the biggest f*** idiot I've ever intermet. Are your parents cousins?

[ProudNissanFreak]

I find it interesting that you guys are advocating working off the clock

I find it interesting that every time you post, I realize that you are more of a faggoty douche bag than I thought. Seriously, you're the biggest f**king idiot I've ever intermet. Are your parents cousins?

PMQ's response: "Please provide a link because I'm too much of an idiot to search myself."

[Jesda]

I find it interesting that you guys are advocating working off the clock

We all do to some degree. Teachers sometimes buy books and supplies for their classrooms. Why? Because they care about the quality of work they perform more than anything else. Fifteen minutes is not worth losing your job over, especially if you have long-term goals in mind.

You are clearly more concerned with being right over a labor issue than focusing on your craft and proving your skills to management. You're happy to burn bridges and kill your career.

This is clearly not the industry for you. Go to law school online and become a self-employed divorce lawyer. That's a profession that values sniveling details over positive outcomes.

[Infinitiguy19]

Any idea on how exactly that works. I initially was amused by it as the companies aren't required to give you two weeks notice before they fire you...

A big company should give the person they are firing two weeks notice if the small employee that works there should have to when leaving. Just like we learned in FIRST GRADE, The golden rule: Treat others the same way you want to be treated.

I find it interesting that you guys are advocating working off the clock

I find it interesting that every time you post, I realize that you are more of a faggoty douche bag than I thought. Seriously, you're the biggest f**king idiot I've ever intermet. Are your parents cousins?

That was really uncalled for since that response doesn't help him in anyway.

And really guys if PMQ were to come in do everything like he should would that automatically move him up the ladder...No because we don't have 1000 US generals we have a few as far as I know. Not everyone gets a story book ending and unless you see results keep doing what your paid to do and do no more or less.

[S13_love]

I find it interesting that you guys are advocating working off the clock

Yes and no, it would really depend on the circumstance.

I mean, that whole being forced to work off the clock w/o pay thing would irk me too...but like Jesda said, 15 minutes is not worth losing your job over.

Saying that to your boss or supervisor (whoever it was) was a dumb move on your part.

[AppleBonker]

I guess it's different when you're salaried, but I work when I'm technically off the clock all the time. I've always had longer lunch breaks than I need. And I usually shovel the food in whilst I'm working. There have also been a number of times where I've worked 60+ hour weeks. Again, I know it's different because I'm salaried, but fifteen minutes? Damn, I sure wouldn't hire you if you were that opposed to such a short amount of time. BTW, my company's hourly workers generally show up at least 30 minutes before their shifts to get changed (locker room) and punch in. Never heard a complaint from them.

[93coupe]

My post was totally relevant to the thread.

[Infinitiguy19]

I forgot a point:

Remember that guy that made a tool for Home Depot and just so Home Depot could save some money that had someone copy the idea and make it for Home Depot CHEAPER. Well my point is companies have to know where to draw the line. Hell so many companies outsource their work today to India and other countries so much that I simply don't deal with those companies. I don't know all the companies that do it but those that I do know I don't give them any business.

Rich keep getting rich and poor stay poor!

[AppleBonker]

My post was totally relevant to the thread.

And I love the use of the word "intermet".

[93coupe]

Thanks man, it just sort of came to me in a shiny moment of brilliance. I thought I was having a stroke at first.

[S13_love]

Off topic, but...

Rich keep getting rich and poor stay poor!

Yeah, so? As for the poor staying poor, that's their damn fault. Rich keep getting rich, good for them.....you do realize how much they get taxed though right?

[Infinitiguy19]

Off topic, but...

Rich keep getting rich and poor stay poor!

Yeah, so? As for the poor staying poor, that's their damn fault. Rich keep getting rich, good for them.....you do realize how much they get taxed though right?

Yeah I got a little carried away there, Heat of the moment typing.

[Speedy7_7]

By Poorman's logic, a doctor should get 8 years of back pay for schooling, it is required to do the work. it just took 8 years instead of 15 min.

[Infinitiguy19]

You do know that doctors make a lot of money and chances are they do get paid back eventually for the schooling they paid for. Plus there are grants and scholarships which should be looked at as well.

No offence.

[PyR0NiAk]

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[ADDirishboy]

You do know that doctors make a lot of money and chances are they do get paid back eventually for the schooling they paid for. Plus there are grants and scholarships which should be looked at as well.

No offence.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Are you f*** kidding me dude! Seriously, you honestly think doctors get paid back for their school time? Wow. Dead wrong dude. They don't get s*** back. Just an EXTREMELY large bill for student loans at the end of that 8 years.

[PyR0NiAk]

He's saying their income makes up for it...

[AZhitman]

Exactly.

I call BS on the $400K issue, and I call shens on this one.

The fine was from the state for having employees work off the clock.

And I still call BS.

[AZhitman]

Any idea on how exactly that works. I initially was amused by it as the companies aren't required to give you two weeks notice before they fire you...

A big company should give the person they are firing two weeks notice if the small employee that works there should have to when leaving.

You just added yourself to the list of people I'd never hire. Ever.

I think it's interesting how you and PMQ have minimal work experience, yet we're all hearing how things "should" be. Once you have a career, you can "educate" those of us who have been in the work force for 20+ years.

Hell, Christian works in a goddam ice cream shop and he understands the working world better.

Although I'm under no obligation to educate you on this matter, I'll do it anyway (since this is first-grader stuff): Why the HELL would you want an employee who has done something to warrant FIRING hanging around for two weeks? It;s called mitigating your liability - You get that person OUT as soon as possible. I fire people for a living, right after I complete a thorough investigation. During the investigation, they're usually on administrative leave - so that they can't do anything STUPID while we're determining if they did what they're accused of doing. Seriously, dude - Think first.

[AZhitman]

Notice PMQ never responded to my post asking him if he's thinking he should get paid for buying his work clothes, showering or putting on shoes.

If you were MY employee, here's what I'd do: I'd dock you for every SECOND you're not doing your job. You get 2 15-minute (TIMED) breaks and a lunch in an 8-hour shift. Don't go to the bathroom EXCEPT on break. Do NOT talk to anyone unless it's directly related to work. Don't answer your cell phone, don't look out the window, don't take a sip of water, don't daydream, don't adjust your collar, don't check out the chick in the cubicle down the hall, stay the F away from my water cooler, don't read the paper, don't pick your nose, adjust your chair, stretch, or move. WORK. And I'll dock you for EVERY SECOND that you're not making me money. EVERY second.

You don't have a right to a job. You're only there to make money for the owner. Don't like it? Be an entrepreneur and STFU.

[Infinitiguy19]

Lets put that to rest, PMQ pull up some info on dell paying 400K if you can.

[PoorManQ45]

Although I'm under no obligation to educate you on this matter, I'll do it anyway (since this is first-grader stuff): Why the HELL would you want an employee who has done something to warrant FIRING hanging around for two weeks? It;s called mitigating your liability - You get that person OUT as soon as possible. I fire people for a living, right after I complete a thorough investigation. During the investigation, they're usually on administrative leave - so that they can't do anything STUPID while we're determining if they did what they're accused of doing. Seriously, dude - Think first.

Then why should an employee be required to pay back a company if they choose to leave without 2 weeks notice?

Notice PMQ never responded to my post asking him if he's thinking he should get paid for buying his work clothes, showering or putting on shoes.

Those items can be used towards your tax return in the current system.

Although, if those tasks were required to be done while at work, then yes, you should get paid for that time.

[PoorManQ45]

Lets put that to rest, PMQ pull up some info on it if you can.

Which subject in particular?

I'm still searching for the info on Stream being fined so I can shut Greg up...

I'm looking into the FL labor board and Federal. I'll have to wait until monday to get anything done.

[AZhitman]

Then why should an employee be required to pay back a company if they choose to leave without 2 weeks notice?

Because those are the rules. Why do you question things instead of thinking first? Better yet, don't you have a father to ask these questions of?

If you leave on a moment's notice, I have to hire a temp to replace you until we issue your position, advertise for it, and hire / train a new person. You cost me money. This is grade-school knowledge.

Those items can be used towards your tax return in the current system.

WTF are you talking about? Are you trying to say, "Those activities are tax-deductible"? If so, you're wrong. As usual.

[AZhitman]

I'm still searching for the info on Stream being fined so I can shut Greg up...

Good luck with that. Your assumption that I know nothing about the company and their operations might bite you in the a$$.

Your credibility is shot, AND you're unemployed. Shall we go for the "Trifecta of Fail"?

[Infinitiguy19]

Lets put that to rest, PMQ pull up some info on dell paying 400K if you can.

Although I'm under no obligation to educate you on this matter, I'll do it anyway (since this is first-grader stuff): Why the HELL would you want an employee who has done something to warrant FIRING hanging around for two weeks? It;s called mitigating your liability - You get that person OUT as soon as possible. I fire people for a living, right after I complete a thorough investigation. During the investigation, they're usually on administrative leave - so that they can't do anything STUPID while we're determining if they did what they're accused of doing. Seriously, dude - Think first.

I think the guy getting fired and getting tossed on the street has more to lose than a company with thousands of employee's that makes thousands of dollars a day. Now employees differ as do companies so it might be a small company or a big one. And the employee might be rich or poor still just to give you en example.

Notice PMQ never responded to my post asking him if he's thinking he should get paid for buying his work clothes, showering or putting on shoes.

If you were MY employee, here's what I'd do: I'd dock you for every SECOND you're not doing your job. You get 2 15-minute (TIMED) breaks and a lunch in an 8-hour shift. Don't go to the bathroom EXCEPT on break. Do NOT talk to anyone unless it's directly related to work. Don't answer your cell phone, don't look out the window, don't take a sip of water, don't daydream, don't adjust your collar, don't check out the chick in the cubicle down the hall, stay the F away from my water cooler, don't read the paper, don't pick your nose, adjust your chair, stretch, or move. WORK. And I'll dock you for EVERY SECOND that you're not making me money. EVERY second.

You don't have a right to a job. You're only there to make money for the owner. Don't like it? Be an entrepreneur and STFU.

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So now were Apple making Ipod's in China where the employees kill themselves to escape work?

And Greg I will make it easier for you, instead of keeping me on your "Do not hire list" I will never work with you.

Jeez I find i very impossible that PMQ has been wrong from the moment he signed up on NICO. In each and every post he is wrong? He is no Nala of that I am sure but he speaks his mind and is very logical from what I have seen.

[AZhitman]

Don't worry, you wouldn't make it through the first interview.

Where did you read the statement "in each and every post he is wrong"? Again, attention to detail is lacking with you guys, and even though I KNOW from experience that it's something that will help you guys succeed, you STILL ignore it (and even fight it). That's just pure ignorance.

Don't bring Nala into this. Something tells me even he wouldn't do something this stupid.

[PoorManQ45]

If you leave on a moment's notice, I have to hire a temp to replace you until we issue your position, advertise for it, and hire / train a new person. You cost me money. This is grade-school knowledge.

So, you're advocating the company screwing the little guy?

When a company fires an employee that employee is not given any notice. They are left to search for a job, pay bills, etc... That line of thinking goes both ways.

WTF are you talking about? Are you trying to say, "Those activities are tax-deductible"? If so, you're wrong. As usual.

Yey, I get to point out that you're wrong

Clothing is indeed deductible. Sorry, I didn't clarify that. Obviously showing and putting on shoes are not deductible as they unfortunately are not directly work related and can not be priced.

I'm still searching for the info on Stream being fined so I can shut Greg up...

Good luck with that. Your assumption that I know nothing about the company and their operations might bite you in the a$$.

Your credibility is shot, AND you're unemployed. Shall we go for the "Trifecta of Fail"?

You always try to bully people with your "superior knowledge" Greg.

Yes, I know Stream has a call center in Scottsdale. Congratulations, you now know everything about a Global BPO's workings...