WALMART - Racial Incident

[Dattebayo]

If that was a Zombieland reference, that movie was great.

If by "great" you mean mostly average, then yeah...

[ADDirishboy]

Common sense and simple math are easy concrete evidence that a gun with more bullets has the opportunity to kill more things.

Ignorance Is Bliss.

Since you didn't like Charlie's response to this about speeding, I'll take it a different way...

By your theory, we should also ban big trucks. My father owns a lifted F350 Super Duty. His truck is much larger than your average civic and can therefore kill many more people before coming to a stop.

Your theory is flawed.

Wanna know how to significantly decrease the number of violent deaths? Allow TONS of people to carry concealed weapons. People would be a LOT more hesitant to pull out a pistol and start laying into a crowd of school kids if there was a high chance that there were others around you with guns that could stop you in a quick manner.

[snwbrdr435]

^ Yes

Not even concealed guns, I'm not "for" the open carry movement but any carry is better then none at all.

[s0m3th1ngAZ]

Wanna know how to significantly decrease the number of violent deaths? Allow TONS of people to carry concealed weapons. People would be a LOT more hesitant to pull out a pistol and start laying into a crowd of school kids if there was a high chance that there were others around you with guns that could stop you in a quick manner.

THAT WOULD SOLVE ALL OUR PROBLEMS.

[PoorManQ45]

THAT WOULD SOLVE ALL OUR PROBLEMS.

You obviously have an opinion about these so please pipe up.

[Urabus GodofTraction]

You obviously have an opinion about these so please pipe up.

His opinion is s*** and he is s***!

This post sponsored by lack of sleep and Russian Standard vodka.

[PoorManQ45]

His opinion is s*** and he is s***!

This post sponsored by lack of sleep and Russian Standard vodka.

Now now Charlieo, even people that are wrong can have an opinion

[Jesda]

Bunch of god damn retards.

Hey, lets initiate a war on guns. It'll work out great, just like the war on terror, war on drugs, war on poverty... LOOK AT HOW EFFECTIVELY WE ELIMINATED ALL FORMS OF TERRORISM, ADDICTION, POVERTY, AND VIOLENCE. THANK YOU, GOVERNMENT FOR THIS UTOPIA YOU HAVE CREATED. I AM SO BLESSED AND HONORED TO BE ONE OF YOUR LOYAL SUBJECTS.

The prisons are crowded because we think more laws will solve all of society's problems. Just load up the cells with nonviolent offenders until everyone's in jail, right? Problem solved! Once we're all incarcerated no one can commit "crimes" in public!

I'm tired and weary of having to defend freedom and human rights to every limp-d!ck nannystate mouthbreather on the street. In the past, I'd probably sit here and type out a long, detailed response to all of the idiocy being posted, but its not worth the effort anymore. For every one person I explain the concept of freedom to, there's 5000 retards joining the 'save me, gubmint!' bandwagon. Its a losing battle. There is no common ground, no set of principles we share, no inalienable rights that we all agree to protect. Its like being the sane person trapped in a huge asylum. You try telling everyone that the grass is green, but they call you a nutter and treat you to shock therapy until you comply and tell them its purple.

Its like having to write a 10-page essay every minute in order to justify my right to breathe. I'm sick of it. No one believes in personal responsibility, accountability, self-defense, self-sufficiency, or individuality anymore. Its all about herding and organizing society into some sick a**hole's idea of utopian perfection.

F*cking f*ggots. Go eat a bullet. I'd prefer if such pathetic people simply took their own lives instead of subjecting the rest of us to their idea of social order.

I'm 100% sober. Feel free to ban me for this post.

[Mr1der]

I think the count on guns I own is 14....

nowhere near enough.

one well placed shot is worth a lot more than any number of shots fired by a moron that doesn't know what they're doing.

[PoorManQ45]

Bunch of god damn retards.

Hey, lets initiate a war on guns. It'll work out great, just like the war on terror, war on drugs, war on poverty... LOOK AT HOW EFFECTIVELY WE ELIMINATED ALL FORMS OF TERRORISM, ADDICTION, POVERTY, AND VIOLENCE. THANK YOU, GOVERNMENT FOR THIS UTOPIA YOU HAVE CREATED. I AM SO BLESSED AND HONORED TO BE ONE OF YOUR LOYAL SUBJECTS.

The prisons are crowded because we think more laws will solve all of society's problems. Just load up the cells with nonviolent offenders until everyone's in jail, right? Problem solved! Once we're all incarcerated no one can commit "crimes" in public!

I'm tired and weary of having to defend freedom and human rights to every limp-d!ck nannystate mouthbreather on the street. In the past, I'd probably sit here and type out a long, detailed response to all of the idiocy being posted, but its not worth the effort anymore. For every one person I explain the concept of freedom to, there's 5000 retards joining the 'save me, gubmint!' bandwagon. Its a losing battle. There is no common ground, no set of principles we share, no inalienable rights that we all agree to protect. Its like being the sane person trapped in a huge asylum. You try telling everyone that the grass is green, but they call you a nutter and treat you to shock therapy until you comply and tell them its purple.

Its like having to write a 10-page essay every minute in order to justify my right to breathe. I'm sick of it. No one believes in personal responsibility, accountability, self-defense, self-sufficiency, or individuality anymore. Its all about herding and organizing society into some sick a**hole's idea of utopian perfection.

F*cking f*ggots. Go eat a bullet. I'd prefer if such pathetic people simply took their own lives instead of subjecting the rest of us to their idea of social order.

I'm 100% sober. Feel free to ban me for this post.

Jesda, I've never seen this side of you! I'm kind of turned on right now!

[Mr1der]

I never understood america's fear of suppressors.

Seriously, they are a courtesy to people around you!

hollywood.

ask anyone that's really fired off a suppressed weapon...most of them are louder than a screaming child.

in Europe, they're seen as courteous like doofus said.

[Mr1der]

lol...

Jesda ftw

I agree entirely.

what pisses me off though is the morons get elected into public office to push this horses*** through.

it's like running till you die just so you finish a place above dead last.

[ADDirishboy]

Agreed about the suppressors James.

They don't do a whole lot. My dad was going to get his license to be able to own fully automatic weapons ans suppressors, but you have to allow the gunmint to come and inspect and search all your weapons at any time they please..... in AZ at least. Not worth the loss of personal freedom.

[snwbrdr435]

^ I can't even own a suppressor in ma. Most a** backwards state behind CA and to think the Revolution started here

[PoorManQ45]

They don't do a whole lot. My dad was going to get his license to be able to own fully automatic weapons ans suppressors, but you have to allow the gunmint to come and inspect and search all your weapons at any time they please..... in AZ at least. Not worth the loss of personal freedom.

I have no idea what you are talking about.

There is no license for owning FA weapons. There is only a tax stamp for each weapon. This tax stamp costs $200 per weapon. The same applies to suppressors.

No, the government can not come and search your property at anytime.

The ONLY thing that would allow them to do this is if your eligibility to own the weapon was no longer valid. This means if you commit a felony or domestic violence they can come and remove your weapons from your house. This is true of most states and applies to all weapons, not just Class 3 weapons.

I had the chance to use a suppressor that was homemade. It was registered with the BATF. The baffles were a staggered design. When used in conjunction with subsonic ammunition it was about the sound of a high power pellet gun. This was a .22.

[snwbrdr435]

I have no idea what you are talking about.

There is no license for owning FA weapons. There is only a tax stamp for each weapon. This tax stamp costs $200 per weapon. The same applies to suppressors.

Again, you don't live in a communist state like some of the other members. In MA you need a green card (machine gun license) In order to own and maybe if some of the new bills pass to even handle a FA weapon. I can pay the tax stamp all i want but MA law prohibits ownership of Silencers/Suppressors.

[ADDirishboy]

I have no idea what you are talking about.

There is no license for owning FA weapons. There is only a tax stamp for each weapon. This tax stamp costs $200 per weapon. The same applies to suppressors.

No, the government can not come and search your property at anytime.

The ONLY thing that would allow them to do this is if your eligibility to own the weapon was no longer valid. This means if you commit a felony or domestic violence they can come and remove your weapons from your house. This is true of most states and applies to all weapons, not just Class 3 weapons.

I had the chance to use a suppressor that was homemade. It was registered with the BATF. The baffles were a staggered design. When used in conjunction with subsonic ammunition it was about the sound of a high power pellet gun. This was a .22.

That may be the case where you live, but come to AZ and you have to take a class to own an FA. They issue you a license or certificate or whatever saying you're legally able to own FA weapons and suppressors. But when my dad was signing up for his, he found out that you give the government full right to come inspect your weapons at any time.

[ADDirishboy]

THAT WOULD SOLVE ALL OUR PROBLEMS.

I never said it would "solve" our problems. There is no solution to all our problems. People will always kill. People will always steal. That's life. That's human nature.

It would cut back on violent crimes, or at least stop some school shootings, if it were public knowledge that there were a lot of people with concealed carry permits carrying a gun with them. Again, you will be a LOT more hesitent (hesitant?) to pull the trigger if there's a high chance that someone around you is also carrying a fire arm.

[snwbrdr435]

Something to add to my post about FA in MA the Colonel Of The Ma State Police issues the licenses good luck

[PoorManQ45]

Can you guys link me to information on this.

It sounds like you are talking about the standard Form 4 required to purchase each Class 3 weapon.

*edit* This is a federal thing, not state.

[snwbrdr435]

What do you want a link to the Federal stuff?

If you want to have a crazy headache to see how f***ing backwards some laws can become just read some MA Laws

[PoorManQ45]

In MA you can have a Machine Gun, but not a suppressor. You apparently need a Class A or B license.

It's funny, federal regulations to get a gun are, no felony, no domestic dispute, of sound mind.

MA disqualifications reads as follows:

" (i) has, in any state or federal jurisdiction, been convicted or adjudicated a youthful offender or delinquent child for the commission of (a) a felony; (b) a misdemeanor punishable by imprisonment for more than two years; (c) a violent crime as defined in section 121; (d) a violation of any law regulating the use, possession, ownership, transfer, purchase, sale, lease, rental, receipt or transportation of weapons or ammunition for which a term of imprisonment may be imposed; or (e) a violation of any law regulating the use, possession or sale of controlled substances as defined in section 1 of chapter 94C;

(ii) has been confined to any hospital or institution for mental illness, unless the applicant submits with his application an affidavit of a registered physician attesting that such physician is familiar with the applicant's mental illness and that in such physician's opinion the applicant is not disabled by such an illness in a manner that should prevent such applicant from possessing a firearm;

(iii) is or has been under treatment for or confinement for drug addiction or habitual drunkenness, unless such applicant is deemed to be cured of such condition by a licensed physician, and such applicant may make application for such license after the expiration of five years from the date of such confinement or treatment and upon presentment of an affidavit issued by such physician stating that such physician knows the applicant's history of treatment and that in such physician's opinion the applicant is deemed cured;"

[sldewyz]

Jim: So the point of this thread was to.......tell about Walmart's failure of an intercom system?Jane: No, silly. Because Walmart's intercom system is a failure, we have to look at the governmental differences between Canada and the United States on the issue of gun control.

damn jesda

[Mr1der]

a subsonic .22 IS a pellet gun

[PoorManQ45]

a subsonic .22 IS a pellet gun

Indeed. I was just saying, most people don't realize that the noise from a gun is from the rapid expansion of the gases leaving the barrel AND the projectile traveling at supersonic speed.

The suppressor is meant to slow the expansion of the gases. So that means you still have the loud crack.

A big fat .45 moving slow is a good candidate for a suppressor also

[snwbrdr435]

In MA you can have a Machine Gun, but not a suppressor. You apparently need a Class A or B license.

Did you read about the licensing though. You need to take a class which i have no problem with at all. Here is what i do have a problem with. Once you take the class you take the paperwork to your local PD. You either hand it in or sit down and meet with the chief if he actually cares. Now depending on how the police chief likes you etc. you may get your license to carry etc. Problem is that it is different in each town. One town next door to mine has a very anti gun chief and he won't even give out restricted class A's which means you can buy a hand gun but you can't carry it. Many towns give out restricted class A's only just because they don't want people carrying at all. Now re read the rules again. If you have a class B(FID card) then you cannot legally own a machine gun the Colonel of MA State Police won't issue you the machine gun license because you don't have a class a unrestricted. While on the topic of stupid laws, you can't have a mag that holds over 10 rounds unless its "pre ban" which is pre 98. We have no CCW only laws but if you open carry most chiefs will use that as a reason to revoke your LTC Class A which are coveted. Handgun Regulation1. Handgun is currently "MA compliant" on EOPS roster and AG's regs. EG- the stuff you see new in most MA gun stores.... S+W M+P, SW1911s, etc, etc, etc... law is must be on roster plus be (somehow) compliant with the AG's insane regulations.

2. Handgun is currently listed on new EOPS Target Roster

3. Pre 98 documented - (eg, owner has paperwork showing it was owned/registered in MA before 10/21/98) = completely exempt from AG and EOPS regs. Doesn't matter what the handgun is, etc, as long as that paperwork is there. Also doesn't matter WHERE the handgun currently is either, as long as the paperwork is there. I once had a friend of mine that moved out of MA but had "MA guns" with paperwork intact. He could still transfer them back in the state to a new MA owner, because they were "registered and in the state on/before 10/21/98".

4. Pre 98 on EOPS roster but AG exempt - handgun is on EOPS roster and exempted from AG's regs, by virtue of having been manufactured before 10/21/98. Example here is a typical Glock made before 10/21/98.

5. handgun is on EOPS roster but buyer is a LEO. This situation exempts the dealer from the AG's regs because the customer is a LEO. In this case it doesn't matter when the gun was made, only that the gun was tested and put on the roster.

Edit: Some readers may be wondering what any guns that don't fit into these categories are... the answer is. they're not "MA compliant" by either the AG''s or EOPS regs, or only by EOPS and not the AG's regs... but it should be noted that "MA compliance" is an issue of dealer transfers and has nothing to do with individual possession or private sale. EG- mere possession of a noncompliant handgun, is NOT a criminal offense. This can't be stated enough, as many in MA improperly use terms like "illegal in MA" or "banned in MA" to describe a handgunwhich a dealer cannot sell or transfer.

All long guns can only have 2 "evil features" if they are post 98

[ILOVESILVIA(S13)]

So whats the big deal about this? I don't know why everyone is making a big deal and getting so butt hurt over this.

[PoorManQ45]

Did you read about the licensing though. You need to take a class which i have no problem with at all. Here is what i do have a problem with. Once you take the class you take the paperwork to your local PD. You either hand it in or sit down and meet with the chief if he actually cares. Now depending on how the police chief likes you etc. you may get your license to carry etc. Problem is that it is different in each town. One town next door to mine has a very anti gun chief and he won't even give out restricted class A's which means you can buy a hand gun but you can't carry it. Many towns give out restricted class A's only just because they don't want people carrying at all. Now re read the rules again. If you have a class B(FID card) then you cannot legally own a machine gun the Colonel of MA State Police won't issue you the machine gun license because you don't have a class a unrestricted. While on the topic of stupid laws, you can't have a mag that holds over 10 rounds unless its "pre ban" which is pre 98. We have no CCW only laws but if you open carry most chiefs will use that as a reason to revoke your LTC Class A which are coveted.

Everything except the license, mag capacity, and 98 sound exactly like the requirements for Form 1 and 4 for Class 3 weapons.

I wonder though, once you have a Class A Unrestricted do you have to go see the CLEO for every Class 3 weapon? If not, that is effing awesome!!!

You may want to check in to setting up a trust. These are used to bypass the CLEO. Reason for them is that a Company has no background to check, no fingerprints or pictures to be taken. Perfect loophole!

[PoorManQ45]

Handgun Regulation1. Handgun is currently "MA compliant" on EOPS roster and AG's regs. EG- the stuff you see new in most MA gun stores.... S+W M+P, SW1911s, etc, etc, etc... law is must be on roster plus be (somehow) compliant with the AG's insane regulations.

2. Handgun is currently listed on new EOPS Target Roster

3. Pre 98 documented - (eg, owner has paperwork showing it was owned/registered in MA before 10/21/98) = completely exempt from AG and EOPS regs. Doesn't matter what the handgun is, etc, as long as that paperwork is there. Also doesn't matter WHERE the handgun currently is either, as long as the paperwork is there. I once had a friend of mine that moved out of MA but had "MA guns" with paperwork intact. He could still transfer them back in the state to a new MA owner, because they were "registered and in the state on/before 10/21/98".

4. Pre 98 on EOPS roster but AG exempt - handgun is on EOPS roster and exempted from AG's regs, by virtue of having been manufactured before 10/21/98. Example here is a typical Glock made before 10/21/98.

5. handgun is on EOPS roster but buyer is a LEO. This situation exempts the dealer from the AG's regs because the customer is a LEO. In this case it doesn't matter when the gun was made, only that the gun was tested and put on the roster.

Edit: Some readers may be wondering what any guns that don't fit into these categories are... the answer is. they're not "MA compliant" by either the AG''s or EOPS regs, or only by EOPS and not the AG's regs... but it should be noted that "MA compliance" is an issue of dealer transfers and has nothing to do with individual possession or private sale. EG- mere possession of a noncompliant handgun, is NOT a criminal offense. This can't be stated enough, as many in MA improperly use terms like "illegal in MA" or "banned in MA" to describe a handgunwhich a dealer cannot sell or transfer.

All long guns can only have 2 "evil features" if they are post 98

All I have to say is, "MA is gay!" Seriously, is your legislature full of a bunch of nancys?

[snwbrdr435]

You may want to check in to setting up a trust. These are used to bypass the CLEO. Reason for them is that a Company has no background to check, no fingerprints or pictures to be taken. Perfect loophole!

Oh there are a whole set of rules for that lol