WALMART - Racial Incident

[Space Monkey]

Just to be clear. I do not hate America. I just don't agree with some of the nations beliefs and actions. I will be honest, I'm not fond of a lot of Canadian belief's either. Neither nation is perfect.

[Dattebayo]

We do have criminals, although we don't have a regular occurrence of mistaken use of fire arms causing harm to our "too stupid" citizens. We also don't have a lot of gun armed incidents.

That's because you entire country's population is only slightly more than all of California's. When you got a whole lot more people, you tend to have a whole lot more things going on.

[Space Monkey]

That's because you entire country's population is only slightly more than all of California's. When you got a whole lot more people, you tend to have a whole lot more things going on.

This is a misconception that many don't understand. Yes that statement is true, but also flawed. Even if you have more people the ratio of incidents would be the same if it were happening here. Canada's ratio for fire arms incidents is far lower that the states making your statement false.

Example:

*Hypothetical*

Seagate makes the most hard drives and has the most counted defects also, but in comparison to Western Digital they have the same percentage of defective units.

Seagate - Manufactured 100000 HDD - 10000 were defective

WD - Manufactured 80000 HDD - 8000 were defective

Both have a 10% failure rate.

[PoorManQ45]

We do have criminals, although we don't have a regular occurrence of mistaken use of fire arms causing harm to our "too stupid" citizens. We also don't have a lot of gun armed incidents.

The large majority of gun related crimes are committed using guns that were not acquired lawfully.

This is just scary retarded. Who needs a FAW to defend their home? Unless you are already doing incriminating things?

Not really. If you follow the rules, it takes ~6 months to get a FA weapon. On the other hand, I can have one tomorrow if I were to go the black market route.

So, the people committing these crimes don't follow the rules to get their weapons. So regulations won't matter.

[Urabus GodofTraction]

All I need to know about Canada is that it's easy to get into and easy to leave.

That and they live in a giant padded crib provided by their government.

[Dattebayo]

This is a misconception that many don't understand.

Well clearly you didn't understand what this means.

When you got a whole lot more people, you tend to have a whole lot more things going on.

Figure it out smartypants.

[JLAUDIO85]

ask Plaxico Burress about this topic.................LOLor stephen jackson

[Space Monkey]

The large majority of gun related crimes are committed using guns that were not acquired lawfully.

Your point is invalid. It has nothing to do with reasons as to why you have such a large problem with fire arm incidents.

Not really. If you follow the rules, it takes ~6 months to get a FA weapon. On the other hand, I can have one tomorrow if I were to go the black market route.

So, the people committing these crimes don't follow the rules to get their weapons. So regulations won't matter.

Also an invalid factual opinionated statement.

All I need to know about Canada is that it's easy to get into and easy to leave.

That and they live in a giant padded crib provided by their government.

We don't have the enemies that America has for good reasons.

With the incidents happening throughout the USA each year, it seems it is not hard to get by the security there either...

Your government also has laws which are rules for you to follow to keep YOU safe. This is the position of a government. It is the parent of the population that inhabits it's lands.

Well clearly you didn't understand what this means.

Figure it out smartypants.

You also have more protection forces (local and government) per person than Canada has. There are many other aspects to consider Dave. You can't just say it happens because you have more people in your country. My previous statement proved your ideology incorrect.

[Dattebayo]

My previous statement proved your ideology incorrect.

You didn't prove sh*t... You just don't understand what I said, obviously. Or how I meant it. Or anything, pretty much. More people = more problems, proven fact. Nobody said it was directly proportional, you assumed that. Go take a sociology class or something.

[PoorManQ45]

Your point is invalid. It has nothing to do with reasons as to why you have such a large problem with fire arm incidents.

Huh? We have over 10 times as many people in the USA.

The crime rate in the USA is 4982 crimes per 100,000 residents. This is from 2004.

The crime in Canada is 7,518 reported incidents per 100,000 people. This is from 2006.

What is your viewpoint on firearms? I personally have 7 firearms right now. Yet I have not, and have no intention to harm anyone unnecessarily. I don't understand what you're getting at.

Are you suggesting that having a gun makes you more likely to commit a crime?

[troskinatior]

All black people, leave the store now.

I thought this was funny...Is that bad?

[Space Monkey]

You didn't prove sh*t... You just don't understand what I said, obviously. Or how I meant it. Or anything, pretty much. More people = more problems, proven fact. Nobody said it was directly proportional, you assumed that. Go take a sociology class or something.

Yes that statement is true

Uh, I agreed with that point...but i also showed that it can be false. If you only compare things one way you make skewed results. You must take percentages for ratios and other perspectives into account or you can not claim fact on anything without bias.

[Space Monkey]

Huh? We have over 10 times as many people in the USA.

The crime rate in the USA is 4982 crimes per 100,000 residents. This is from 2004.

The crime in Canada is 7,518 reported incidents per 100,000 people. This is from 2006.

What is your viewpoint on firearms? I personally have 7 firearms right now. Yet I have not, and have no intention to harm anyone unnecessarily. I don't understand what you're getting at.

Are you suggesting that having a gun makes you more likely to commit a crime?

Pulling out the wakopedia stats eh? Unfortunately that does not show the crime involving fire arms.

My view on firearms is you should be trained on how to operate and store the firearm to be able to have one.

If I'm not wrong, any American can go get a gun at any time regardless of their knowledge of the weapon?

Also, This got pushed into the crime world when i was first pointing out simple accidents that happen due to careless people owning things they don't know how to use. The only difference in Canada is we need a license and registered weapon, so at least we know how to use our weapons without having to go through a trial period in our backyard.

[troskinatior]

[RicerX]

I love how someone pulling a prank on an intercom turned into a debate over canadian/US gun control issues and crime rates.

I also love that there are obviously people that think if any government instantiates strict gun controls or gun-bans that crimes with firearms will decrease. That is absurd. Ever heard the phrase "locks keep the honest people honest?" If someone wants to kill someone with a gun, they're going to find a way to kill someone with a gun. Think about it. Killing someone is illegal for the most part, and somehow that seems to happen on a minute by minute basis around the world, right?

You make guns illegal, or incredibly difficult to purchase legally, and all you successfully achieve is leaving innocent people defenseless against criminals who will stop at nothing to have their firearms, as they have little to zero regard for laws in the first place.

And here's a lesson in proportions and ratios:

Canada - Population 33,311,389.US - Population 307,006,550.

US to Canada population ratio - 10.85/1. (that means there are roughly 10 Americans for every 1 Canadian, for those of you that may not understand that).

So, kids, that means that if Canada had a 100% annual homicide rate, the US would only have to have a 10% annual homicide rate to match actual homicide numbers.

So what did we learn here, ladies and gents? It would take 100% of Canada's population going batsh*t to equate to another day in the life of the United States of America. The end.

[PoorManQ45]

If I'm not wrong, any American can go get a gun at any time regardless of their knowledge of the weapon?

This is indeed correct.

As long as you are of 18 years of age, have no felony record, and no domestic abuse record you can purchase a Rifle. 21 for handguns.

I would like to see more training classes though.

But I do not want to see a registration.

[Space Monkey]

So, kids, that means that if Canada had a 100% annual homicide rate, the US would only have to have a 10% annual homicide rate to match actual homicide numbers.

Now that is awesome. True on one front and bias on another. Again, the statement is true, but you can not compare percentage with counted numbers without slanting the statement in one direction. All that statement points out is we have less people.

[Space Monkey]

We have come to an understanding.

/thread jack!

[Urabus GodofTraction]

We don't have the enemies that America has for good reasons.

Right, because your neighbor to the south acts like a shield. If Canada did for itself what the United States does for it, Canada would be up to it's ears in problems, too.

Canadian gun controls laws are considerably stricter than our local Canadian is implying. You have to be a member of a range to own a handgun, semi-automatic centerfire rifles are limited to 5 round mags, handguns 10, and you have to obtain authorization to move a handgun to and from a range.

Welcome to Kanada, comrades!

I'm going to Target right now, and I'm going to carry my P3AT with me while doing it. $10 says I don't fly into a rage and kill someone.

[dickie]

I have 2x 12 rd mags for my P226. I'm getting a couple 15 rd mags soon.

Is it legal to own a suppressor in Canada? are there restrictions on what kind of ammunition you can buy?

back to the subject at hand, if they haven't identified the culprit yet, what if it turns out it they were black and just doing it for a laugh? would it then be "ok" to the offended parties?

[PoorManQ45]

I never understood america's fear of suppressors.

Seriously, they are a courtesy to people around you!

[Space Monkey]

Right, because your neighbor to the south acts like a shield. If Canada did for itself what the United States does for it, Canada would be up to it's ears in problems, too.

Maybe, but that is all speculation.

Canadian gun controls laws are considerably stricter than our local Canadian is implying. You have to be a member of a range to own a handgun, semi-automatic centerfire rifles are limited to 5 round mags, handguns 10, and you have to obtain authorization to move a handgun to and from a range.

I don't see an issue here... Would this be a hindrance of your liberty? It's just a safety protocol because if you do go off the deep end we find you before you kill more people than if we did not know about you, we save lives.

Are you one of the people that complain about privacy right all the time? *just a question, I don't want to debate that*

[Space Monkey]

I never understood america's fear of suppressors.

Seriously, they are a courtesy to people around you!

[PoorManQ45]

counter point?

Seriously, if you wanted to silently kill someone you can make a suppressor very quickly out of household items.

[Space Monkey]

Suppressor is illegal in Canada. You may purchase the ammunition required for your gun, but no hollow points n such. I'm sure you can have as much ammo as you like but the gun clips are restricted to 5 rounds.

[Space Monkey]

Seriously, if you wanted to silently kill someone you can make a suppressor very quickly out of household items.

LoL This is true. Pop bottle, potato, ect...

No counter point.

[PoorManQ45]

Suppressor is illegal in Canada.

I didn't ask about the law, I asked for your viewpoint on the subject.

You may purchase the ammunition required for your gun, but no hollow points n such.

Why no hollow points? They are more humane then FMJs. Can you have truncated cones?

[Space Monkey]

I didn't ask about the law, I asked for your viewpoint on the subject.

References pwn you. It was towards d!ck.

I don't care about firearm's add on's. I never really thought about it enough to make a statement. Talk to me about it another time maybe.

Why no hollow points? They are more humane then FMJs. Can you have truncated cones?

I am not very knowledgeable about ammo or guns in general, although i believe due to the stopping power and chance of death compared to a normal bullet they have been outlawed.

[jdansmith]

Niagara Falls is a lovely place.

[snwbrdr435]

If I'm not wrong, any American can go get a gun at any time regardless of their knowledge of the weapon?

You sir are incorrect. Each state is entirely different and in MA each town is different. You have no idea how hard it is for some of my friends to legally own guns especially in places that they might actually need them to defend themselves or their loved ones, from people who don't care to take the time legally own a fire arm.