This Makes Me Sick.

[Doraemon]

Drifting Magazine - http://www.importracermag.com/Drifting/

Now maybe it seems like an alright idea for a very, very quick second - but then you snap back into reality. Then you realize that the cover of this magazine says " DRIFT YOUR CIVIC " . Then you see the editors of the website place this note - Domestic Drifter - Have you drifted a Ford lately? Special thanks to Hotchkis and Steeda for their insight into domestics.

Please if you find something wrong with this..... spam their voter results with comments - you can also e-mail them like crazy. My comments to them are below -

Please take this into consideration, i'm speaking for the large majority of the drifting community when I say this. I know you can't turn back on the idea of a drifting magazine. So since you can't go back now, atleast try to not torture us with talk about drifting civics and domestics. Seriously, your magazine makes drifting seem like something that just anyone can do. Take your rice civic with your 100000 pound unpainted body kit and drift! Your magazine will turn this sport mainstream. Soon, i'll turn on the news to see that some civic e-braked too early and died trying to drift. It will be just as bad a problem as street racing soon. Little kids will wear ZumSpeed shirts that have cars drifting on them. All of these things will just kill the scene that some of us have been involved with for years. We don't want civics in the scene, we don't want american mustangs in the scene. At the RS*R show when the mustangs came out - many of us wanted to throw up. Please, spare us. Thanks

[TrueSlide]

drift becomes the "trend"

[Gregariousgreg]

At least the ricer community is branching out and doing something other than going in a straight line. :p

On the other hand now you're gunna have a bunch of guys who don't know what they're doing spinning out on curves and killing people.

I have to say, I am curious on how to the heck you're supposed to drift a front wheel drive car. They probably just tell you some bs about how you can pull your e-brake and look like a pro.

[TrueSlide]

Pull the ebrake and powerslide. The curvy roads where I live are peaceful and authority free, I have a feeling with the drift becoming a trend, that will change.

*hates ricers*

[slw240sx]

look up traysliding.com!!! they slide on old soda bottle trays that are under the rear wheels !

[SmithSR]

Soon, there will be a drifting event near you.

And very soon, APC will be sponsoring it.

[MaineExport]

I think anyone who takes themselves or "drifting" seriously enough to get bent about somebody else "stealing" their "sport" has issues. I'm not trying to be an a$$ or anything, but that's a very immature attitude. It's as if you're saying that since you own a RWD car and were introduced to the "drifting scene" that you somehow have ownership of it and no one else is welcome. Get over it, you don't have any more right to drift on public streets than any other tool who thinks he's cool because of it. And that's really what this is all about... the 'I was here first cool-guy' attitude.

Sure... drifting can be fun and there is a certain element of driver skill involved. And I agree... this will most likely lead to some serious accidents by people that think they have mad-skillz... but then again... it's survival of the fittest out there... sort of a ricer natural selection. Then again... you were a drifting newb at one point too... and all the 'veterans' thought the same thing about your loser-a$$.

You're just as wrong for doing it as they are. God help anyone if you ever kill some innocent bystander in the act of looking cool and trying to prove some adolescent agenda.

[AZhitman]

I agree with Maine 100%. Contrary to popular belief:rolleyes, the 240 community didn't INVENT "drifting" - That honor could be reserved for any number of groups:

The Prohibition-era outlaws and rumrunners (especially in the South) who drove hopped-up Fords, Chevys and Dodges on backcountry dirt roads; Early NASCAR racers; circle-track Sprint car drivers; etc., etc., etc.

It chaps my hide, just legitimizing something so silly and pointless with a serious discussion....

[AZhitman]

p.s. Why no Mustangs? High HP, RWD, decent balance.... I don't see the problem.

By the way - You said: "All of these things will just kill the scene that some of us have been involved with for years. We don't want civics in the scene, we don't want american mustangs in the scene."

I remember when we said the same thing about the guys showing up at the dragstrip with import cars back in the day. Have imports "killed" the 1/4 mile "scene"?

[TrueSlide]

But a civic cannot drift!!! FWD = no drift, thats the big thing. They are trying to sell it to a community of ricers that dont understand what it is, that will ruin the scene. Real enthuaists will know that a FWD car CANNOT drift, but the ricers will not.

[I H8 UR DSM]

Um, your wrong...FWD can drift

[Rockenreno]

I've been in a Celica (FWD) and we drifted... well I guess you could classify it as "powersliding" whatever that means.

[TrueSlide]

Um, your wrong...FWD can drift

Ok buddy, explain how? But please, do me a favor and do not describe a powerslide or *** dragging, but explain to me how a fwd car can drift? vT3K 0wN5 j00

[TrueSlide]

BTW, when your explaining, trays do NOT count.

[I H8 UR DSM]

Ok buddy,

Buddy? Um.....yea, no.Quote » explain how? But please, do me a favor and do not describe a powerslide or *** dragging, but explain to me how a fwd car can drift? vT3K 0wN5 j00 [/quote]

It's not my job to 'unlearn' your ingorance...If you believe that its only possible to drift a RWD vehicle you are wrong. And it is a fact. You can drift FWD and AWD. Am i going to go into an explaination expaling the 18+ accepted forms/styles of drifting and how they are applied to RWD vs. FWD vs. AWD applications? no, but if YOU want to study drifting, and learn the different forms etc. then thats on you, im not your teacher, sorry...

Hey, even 'Stuper street' did a write up about 2 years ago when they interviewed "slide squad' (mark) the 'originators' of SS's SR knowledge, about them drifting their SR 240 and their camaflouge civic hatch...and that was the first US article on drifting in any of these rice magazines...suprised you dont remember ; )

[SmithSR]

:owned

[TrueSlide]

FWD has no control over the rearend, drifting is controlled slide, which is controlled from the power to the rear end, and usually consists of taking multiple turns with no traction, a fwd cannot do that, the most control they have over the rear end, is the Ebrake, which turns into a power slide. A AWD car drift becuase it has control everywhere, and usually more of the power is focused towards the rear end. How can you drift a car that you have no control over(rear end)? Sounds like *** dragging to me. But then I remember you own a SR and are on top of the world. :rolleyes

[I H8 UR DSM]

like i said, you obviously have some sort of misnomer on what drifting is, abd that their are many accepted forms/styles of drifting

and maybe you can not control a slide using your fwd ebrake, but does not mean it cant be done...i think your definition of drifting is incorrect, and that may be leading you to incorrect assumptions...

I dont know where me haveing an SR comes into play, but if your envyous, i do understand

[I H8 UR DSM]

tell a rally car driver they cant drift their FWD setup, and watch them choke up and laugh w/ their eyes tearing....but hey, maybe they have SR's so think they are on top of the world, whatever that has to do w/ anything, lol

[hannibal]

AZ mentioned rumrunners as some of the first to drift. Take a powerful car and a dirt road and you cant help but drift. Rally racing is built on drifting principles...Why cant you drift in a FWD car?? Drifting (as I understand it) is a 4 wheel slide. If its got 4 wheels, you can drift it. Sure the mechanics may be different but its drifting none the less. FWD cars do have control over the rear end, just not thru the gas pedal.And traysliding...WTF!!! Sounds like fun though...

[EZcheese15]

Um....Jesse is right on this one... FWD can be drifted.

It sickens me to see people diss FWD cars so much, and that you can't do things like drift in them. I'm not biased towards either FWD or RWD, but I hate to see anyone bash the other.

FWD drifting is more difficult because you can't control the rear, that is true. But it still can be done. Although you are not controlling the cars momentum with the rear, you are controlling it with the front. To set a FWD car into a drift, you don't need the hand brake either....you can throw the cars weight into a corner, causing the rear to slide out. You can also set up the suspension so that the rear slides out before the cars starts to push (oversteering on a FWD car). You then control the drift by carrying enough momentum to keep the rear of the car out, and control the the slide by the angle of the front wheels, rather than the power to the rears.

The reason nobody thinks you can drift a FWD car is because fewer people can....it's a harder artform to master. You must go into the turn with much more speed than in a RWD car because you can't apply power in the turn to swing the car out (instead, applying power straightens the car). Therefore you must go into the turn with all the speed you need to carry a drift all the way through (which is a scary concept). Also, you must get used to the fact that any changes you do to the cars suspension when going through the turn is going to straighten you out. It's a hard concept to get used to. In a RWD car it's the opposite.....let off the gas, you spin...give it more...you spin. In a FWD, when it starts to get out of control, just punch the throttle.

Personally I think drifting is dumb except for the fun factor, and the skill required to control it. If anyone has ever seen video of a FWD car in a full controlled drift though....it blows away RWD drifts. I once saw a video of an Integra Type R in a full drift at about 80 mph.....and it was flawless....soooo beautiful.

[I H8 UR DSM]

The reason nobody thinks you can drift a FWD car is because fewer people can....it's a harder artform to master. .

exactly...but its anoying when they feel like since "they" or "they're friends" cant, it cant be done....ignorance : )

[I H8 UR DSM]

fact is, 'everyone' w/ RWD and a 240 thinks they are a drifter...soley because they have rwd, although they most likely still arent 'drifting' by definition.

[lessthanjakejohn]

ha! my definition of drifting is "driving unconventionally around a circuit track"

[MaineExport]

fact is, 'everyone' w/ RWD and a 240 thinks they are a drifter...soley because they have rwd,

I've ALWAYS driven RWD vehicles (with the exception of one bad-a$$ 94 Escort GT). Admittedly they were mostly trucks, but RWD and 4WD none-the-less. I must be the exception to the 'everyone' rule... I think drifting is plain silly. It's fun to do once in a while to humble yourself... but mostly just silly. And besides... I pay $500 a pop for my rubber.... I like to keep them healthy as long as possible!

BTW, Jesse, nice job whipping these little ingrates into shape!

[AZhitman]

Well stated, Torry! Bravo.

[toki]

Ok, the thing that guy was missing before, the one who said FWD couldn't drift, he should have said FWD can't power over or shift lock drift, if you really felt like it, you could throw the most worn dirty *** tires on your back rims and brand new yokos on your front, go 70 and sway left then right and you would loose traction in the rear, with your FWD car. Oh ****. And the fact of the matter of is, while this is almost the same effect as pulling the ebrake, unlike RWD, you still have full power on the front wheels, and you can DRAG your as.s end through and out of that turn, keeping your speed up. I learned this very simple principle with my friend in a ****ty ford Contour, now, how could we possibly enter a coldisack going 25, yank the ebrake and stay in a skid for a good 3, 4, sometimes 5 second, and exit it going about 20?! FWD thats how.... may not neccisarily be better than a RWD car, since you still get some motion from spinning the tires, but it's definitly not a zero option situation.

[Onizuka]

i went drifting at a sanctioned event and there was a Toyota Camry Wagon drifting better than me (yes a FWD car, and yes i do suck at drifting but it is fun). There was also a WRX that couldnt get its *** end out most of the time. Its all about skill, NOT drivetrain layout.

[AZhitman]

toki - Where you at in AZ?

BTW, it's cul-de-sac, not coldisack, LOL.

[TrueSlide]

DSM, your a ****y sob. I decided to a little research. And it seems like lots of ppl agree FWD cannot drift. Let me quote some stuff.

http://www.driftsession.com/drivers/shaneo.htmWhat do you think about FWD drifting? What do you think about an elephant on rollerskates? NOT HAPPENING!

http://www.driftsession.com/drivers/shaneo.htmIt can't be done in a fwd car because both the controlling and powering wheels are in the front

http://www.elite.karoo.net/drifting.htmlDrifting involves the same deliberate (hopefully!) loss of traction at the rear wheels. Thats right, you need to use a rear-wheel-drive car (RWD). Most modern european cars are front-wheel-drive (FWD), which just wont do. Sure, you can get the back end out on a FWD car by using the handbrake or using weight transfer into a bend, but it just aint drifting!

So it seems Iam not the only who think FWD cannot drift. I for one NEVER claimed to be a "drifter". And I have noticed ppl with SRs seems to act/be ****y because they think they are something special because they own a overrated SR. So thats for the SR comment.