This Makes Me Sick.

[AZhitman]

Whooo boy.

Glad it ain't me on the other end of TS's barrel (for once). Those were the days...

Keep it civil, brothamen.

[TrueSlide]

lol,

AZ your a cool guy

[AZhitman]

You even remember what that was about?

I don't, but I remember it was a WWF SMACKDOWN!!!

[TrueSlide]

killing civic owners? or the IRAQ thread? or .............

[AZhitman]

Ah, yes. The infamous "killing" thread. LOL - We should dig that one up and... Aww hell - Never mind.

All I remember was that was probably the first (and last) time I've ever been REALLY pissed on-line... LOL:D

[MaineExport]

So it seems Iam not the only who think FWD cannot drift.

It doesn't mean they are right. I could find you a handful of idiots that think I'm cool... would you belive them?

I guess it just boils down to your what your definition of "drifting" is. Frankly, I am inclined to side with EZcheese and I H8 UR DSM on what constitutes a drift. Either way... the discussion is LAME-O!!!!:eek:

[Gregariousgreg]

I don't think that drifting becoming popular sucks because now it's going to be "uncool". I don't even drift. I'd like to try it sometime though on a track.

I just think it kinda sucks because, just like with drag-racing, now you're gunna have a bunch of ignorant people trying it on the street. I can see it in the paper "16 year old in civic hits 3 people on a sidewalk while attempting to 'drift' his car".

As for front-wheel drive car drifting. I don't really know if that's possible. Seems to me it's just an argument of what your defenition of drifting is.

Anyways, my two cents.

[Doraemon]

Look, perhaps in a literary sense, a FWD can drift. Yet the culture, the scene, the way of things, does not allow that to be a fact. I don't hate FWD cars, its simply that they don't belong on the scene. Can you seriously imagine a ricey civic taking up competition spots in the next drift show? Can you seriously want a civic running behind you in canyons, or trying to e-brake around corners? I think not. Once the civics are in the scene, it hits mainstream. One the civics hit the scene, all hell breaks loose, 5 yr. old kids will be wearing shirts that say DRIFT with a hachi on the back. Drifting will become a schoolyard conversation, the next fast and the furious will feature it. Super2nrTv will be covering it. Is that really the kind of attention you want?

[AZhitman]

OK guys - hear this carefully:

Like I said before, us old-school musclecar guys didn't want 17-second IMPORTS at the dragstrip (FWD OR RWD) back in the day. We KNEW it would dilute the sport, make us wait longer in the tech line while some cheeseball in a Toyota/Nissan/Honda LEARNS the rules, watching these retards do burnouts and get water all over the starting box, etc. It's the same concept.

But it happened. And it's OK. So get over it. We did. Besides, if "drifting" were a legitimate motorsport, then there'd be classes for FWD, RWD, imports, domestics, etc. But it ain't. Hell, you guys can't even agree on a definition of drifting, except to agree that it's a tire-wasting, showy, fun-to-watch method for getting around a corner slowly. Matter of fact, I'd challenge you to define DOMESTIC in this day and age of manufacturer inbreeding.

You can't keep everything to yourself - Class dismissed.

[MaineExport]

Testify Hitman!!!! way to sum it up... now this thread should be on LOCK DOWN!!!!

[AZhitman]

Word 'em up, my brother.

[Doraemon]

I'm not saying to keep the sport to ourselves. I'm simply saying [bump] read what I said above. Take all of that into consideration.

[AZhitman]

I did. And I was hoping I wouldn't have to spell it out, but here goes:

"I don't hate FWD cars, its simply that they don't belong on the scene." They didn't belong on the dragstrip either.

"Can you seriously imagine a ricey civic taking up competition spots in the next drift show?" Can you imagine me in my 400+ hp musclecar having to sit and wait for some monkeyspanker in a 130 hp import to finish his "burnout" so I coul get down to some REAL racing?

"Can you seriously want a civic running behind you in canyons, or trying to e-brake around corners?" Perhaps getting your car a little faster will keep those pesky Civics off your tail - I seem to have no problem shaking them, even in my 4200-lb luxobomb.

"Once the civics are in the scene, it hits mainstream." Oh, yes. Metallica used to say this about their garage music. Guess what? They're HAPPY to be mainstream. That's where the $$$ is.

"One the civics hit the scene, all hell breaks loose, 5 yr. old kids will be wearing shirts that say DRIFT with a hachi on the back." Those damn hoodlum 5-year-olds ruin everything. Call the National Guard (if hell is indeed breaking loose)

"Is that really the kind of attention you want?" No - I want it to go away, before some ricer retard in a slow, cheap, beat-to-hell car (RWD or not) slides sideways into me, my car, or my family because he thinks he's a "drifta, yo".

[toki]

AZhitman I am Tucson...unfortunatly. Don't worry - you arn't missing much. There very little scene I or anyone else who seriously races down here knows of. My friend Damicci is going SR20DET fiarly soon in his s13 hatch, his girlfriend MIGHT, MIGHT, be building a Sil-80 sometime in the next 2 years, and i know a guy who built a EG6, almost completly Jspec right down to the engine and pedals, and only missing right hand drive from all I can tell, he only runs it on 100 octane too...it may be a honda, but it's a well kept honda. Aside from a Type-R or 2 and a few people that like to call themselfs drifters it's a bunch of rich foothills kids in thier shiny hondas with euro lights, andmexican's in thier piss gold 89 Accords with dubs, buds and subs. (no offense to mexicans). *sigh*

[TrueSlide]

Originally posted by maineimport "]It doesn't mean they are right. I could find you a handful of idiots that think I'm cool... would you belive them?

Your EXACTLY right

I guess it just boils down to your what your definition of "drifting" is. Frankly, I am inclined to side with EZcheese and I H8 UR DSM on what constitutes a drift. Either way... the discussion is LAME-O!!!!:eek:

I agree, the discussion is pretty stupid.

[I H8 UR DSM]

DSM, your a ****y sob. I decided to a little research. And it seems like lots of ppl agree FWD cannot drift. Let me quote some stuff.

http://www.driftsession.com/drivers/shaneo.htmWhat do you think about FWD drifting? What do you think about an elephant on rollerskates? NOT HAPPENING!

http://www.driftsession.com/drivers/shaneo.htmIt can't be done in a fwd car because both the controlling and powering wheels are in the front

http://www.elite.karoo.net/drifting.htmlDrifting involves the same deliberate (hopefully!) loss of traction at the rear wheels. Thats right, you need to use a rear-wheel-drive car (RWD). Most modern european cars are front-wheel-drive (FWD), which just wont do. Sure, you can get the back end out on a FWD car by using the handbrake or using weight transfer into a bend, but it just aint drifting!

So it seems Iam not the only who think FWD cannot drift. I for one NEVER claimed to be a "drifter". And I have noticed ppl with SRs seems to act/be ****y because they think they are something special because they own a overrated SR. So thats for the SR comment.

so you quoted another bunch of ignorant people, it doesnt matter if your 'not the only one'...like i was discussing the other day, you can find hundreds of people that testify that the Holucost never happened...does that mean they are right?

Being 'special' has nothing to do with what motor is in my car, i find that people who DO NOT have Sr's seem to feel some inferiortiy to those who do, and therefor fall back on that 'insult' whenever they feel they have been slighted.

So call me a "Sob", thats great, im glad our board has come to that, and its now acceptable behavior to insult members, and their families. Mature.

Sorry you were showed to be wrong, and you ignorance was brought to the front line, but again, there are many (over 15) accepted and recogninzed forms of drifting...And FWD cars can and do drift....just because you are not aware of that, and can get others who arent aware of that, does not mean they are right.

Drifting is most popular in japan, ask someone over there if they see FWD cars on the drift scene...or better yet, just watch some option2 videos and the like.

Im sorry that since you feel you were wrong, and i was the one that had to show that, now im the bad person, the 'sob', the 'sr owner' thats stuck up...I think you words are a reflection of your 'self'. I was just trying to show you the light, maybe educate you a little bit, sorry you couldnt/can't accept that.

Have a great day

[TrueSlide]

You only say that, you have not given a example. Explain how a fwd would power over, feint drift, or the OTHER god knows how many styles which involve power coming from the REAR END. So far the only acceptable "drift" that a FWD can do is emergency brake, and Iam sorry, I do not classify that as a drift.

And the whole Japan thing, maybe a fellow member would like to fill us in. From my readings, it seems like hondas dont drift! :thinker

Iam still waiting for your to give a explaination on how they drift without TRAYS, and asked you not explain powersliding. You still have yet to do so.

You dont know me, so dont even try a "reflection of self" bs. I dont mind being educated, I like learning things, and if Iam wrong, well Iam wrong. BUT you have yet given a example, a explanation on HOW they drift. Someone just saying "cause they can". Well thats not good enough for me, I need proof, something you have yet to give me.

[FrEaK]

You know what the real problem is?

Drifting doesn't have an iron clad set of rules, regulations, and standards, and they are what cause these arguments.

Any car can slide but is a slide a drift?

Thats open to interpretation,

so H8 and trueslide are arguing over something that can be interpreted either way, both make good points, both are right in their own defense.

Stop bickering children.

[skydragoness]

I think anyone who takes themselves or "drifting" seriously enough to get bent about somebody else "stealing" their "sport" has issues. I'm not trying to be an a$$ or anything, but that's a very immature attitude. It's as if you're saying that since you own a RWD car and were introduced to the "drifting scene" that you somehow have ownership of it and no one else is welcome. Get over it, you don't have any more right to drift on public streets than any other tool who thinks he's cool because of it. And that's really what this is all about... the 'I was here first cool-guy' attitude.

Sure... drifting can be fun and there is a certain element of driver skill involved. And I agree... this will most likely lead to some serious accidents by people that think they have mad-skillz... but then again... it's survival of the fittest out there... sort of a ricer natural selection. Then again... you were a drifting newb at one point too... and all the 'veterans' thought the same thing about your loser-a$$.

You're just as wrong for doing it as they are. God help anyone if you ever kill some innocent bystander in the act of looking cool and trying to prove some adolescent agenda.

:Werdbut i feel as though nothing really is going to happen, it will be the 'talk' amongst ricers.. but i don't think i'll be expecting a bunch of ricers showing up to the driftmeets in Englishtown. or seeing a bunch of ricers on the twisty roads i like to drive on. but this is DE i'm talking about, which our ricers are just the kind that peel out at stoplights and do burnouts in parking lots, and i have yet to see a riced out s13 in DE... so i don't know for sure.if they do show up to the driftmeets in englishtown, more power to them, since at least they'll be doing it legally.

[hannibal]

I first saw drifting in a clip of a Mk 4 Supra. It was the baddest thing I had ever seen. The amount of driver skill involved was overwhelming. It made heart beat faster, adn it was just some low qulaity clip. Ive never seen drifting in person, but I can only imagine how much better it will be.Drifting is first an art form. It requires skill and the right equipment. Like art in a gallery, there are different forms. Some artists use a brush and canvas while others choose clay and a scapel. Most drifters use their skill and a RWD car to create their artwork but some use FWD and a lot more talent. And Freak is right, there is no official "Drifting Rule Book". You can call drifting, sliding, skidding. or whatever. To me, its just plain beautiful.

[LaureltheQueen]

A AWD car drift becuase it has control everywhere, and usually more of the power is focused towards the rear end.

Not to make you look like an assclown, but Subaru's AWD setup is almost always a 90(f)/10(r) % split. That makes it primarily front wheel drive. The only time it shifts from 90/10 to 40/60 is when the FRONT END loses traction. You need to research AWD setups before pretending you know what youre talking about.

Believe me, it's possible to drift a FWD car. I've done it before, on accident. No, I did NOT use the e-brake, and NO, i did not hit the brakes, but not only the back end kicked around. You're just making yourself look like an ignorant, intolerant dip****.

[AZhitman]

I'm in love....

The female version of the HITMAN....

[toki]

very good Queeny exactly what I said before but no one likes to listen to the kid without the car :rolleyes

[TrueSlide]

Not to make you look like an assclown, but Subaru's AWD setup is almost always a 90(f)/10(r) % split. That makes it primarily front wheel drive. The only time it shifts from 90/10 to 40/60 is when the FRONT END loses traction. You need to research AWD setups before pretending you know what youre talking about.

Believe me, it's possible to drift a FWD car. I've done it before, on accident. No, I did NOT use the e-brake, and NO, i did not hit the brakes, but not only the back end kicked around. You're just making yourself look like an ignorant, intolerant dip****.

So subaru is the only AWD car?

And just cause your back end comes out doesnt mean its a drift. Sounds like, "oh I was turning from a redlight and my backend came out and I drifted, y0"

Sounds more like a fish tail sweetheart.

[FrEaK]

This is a stupid argument, no one is going to change the other persons views. So stop fighting like sissies

BTW if there is a female version of Hitman, it's obvious that the inventor of sarcasm is still at large...

[Onizuka]

Drifting doesn't have an iron clad set of rules, regulations, and standards, and they are what cause these arguments.

Very good point, but i must dis-agree based on my own experiance at a drift meet. I did not see one person arguing when there was a FWD Camry doing E-Brake slides. Some people chuckled a bit but everyone was having fun. No rules makes it fun for everyone, people who think FWD is and has no place in motorsports of any kind can kiss my @$$...

AZhitman-Quote »Besides, if "drifting" were a legitimate motorsport, then there'd be classes for FWD, RWD, imports, domestics, etc. But it ain't. Hell, you guys can't even agree on a definition of drifting, except to agree that it's a tire-wasting, showy, fun-to-watch method for getting around a corner [/quote] ^^^thats the plain truth right there^^^

[AZhitman]

Thanks J-Spec. Appreciate the backup.

[skydragoness]

Not to make you look like an assclown, but Subaru's AWD setup is almost always a 90(f)/10(r) % split. That makes it primarily front wheel drive. The only time it shifts from 90/10 to 40/60 is when the FRONT END loses traction. You need to research AWD setups before pretending you know what youre talking about.

Believe me, it's possible to drift a FWD car. I've done it before, on accident. No, I did NOT use the e-brake, and NO, i did not hit the brakes, but not only the back end kicked around. You're just making yourself look like an ignorant, intolerant dip****.

definitely no e-brake is required to make the back end of a fwd car break loose.crappy tires can make it happenand also my ex's 5th gen 'Lude is very tail happy because he only has a *rear sway bar* and he has it on the stiffest setting. take a turn too hard, and it will come back around the other direction!moronic. yes. i watched him on a skidpad at an autocross educational event last month, and he was picking up his outer rear tire. it was nuts!

[fakts13]

i thought powersliding is when you're exiting a turn and you power out. making the back end come loose. so wouldn't that make only rwd's and awds capable of "powersliding"?

[Gregariousgreg]

This whole thing has become a huge pissing match over what "drifting means". Nobody can really win the argument because no-one can really prove they're right. Just accept that you all could be right and you all could be wrong and let it go.

I think the more important discussion is about safety. Enough people get in accidents and get killed by illegal drag-racing done by a bunch of jackasses and now those same jackasses are going to be trying to drift around a corner at 90 miles an hour because they think they are hot ****.

Who cares if the sport isn't "cool" anymore because a bunch of front wheel drive civics try to do it. I'm worried about any ignorant driver, drivin any car, FWD, RWD or AWD, trying to drift race on the streets and getting people injured or killed. Because now drifting is the cool thing to do.