Strange SR idle resurfaces

Got questions about your Nissan? We're here to help, and it's FREE!
180fan
Posts: 7799
Joined: Sat Dec 14, 2002 12:16 pm
Car: 89 fastback

Post

Oh those vac lines were pulled for a clear picture of the throttle's setup. The top passenger side vac is normally occupied by the FPR's vac line, and the other by the bov's vac line. There's also the large throttle hose that runs from the cold pipe to the throttle, and then the smaller hose that runs from the cold pipe to the iacv hose.

Nistech, can do with the pictures of the intake manifold. I'll get on that this afternoon. I'm not going to be able to swap out the ecm till later tonight since that's when my buddy's coming around with his sr.

Chris, yeah vac leaks suck. So far I've checked the compression, timing, ignition, fuel, etc, etc. As far as I know, there isn't a vac leak anymore before or after the throttle. I've already popped the iacv hose when it was running, capped it with my thumb and the motor died instantly. Before I redid the intake manifold, the motor would keep going when I capped the IACV's hose and would have the vac drop slowly till it died. If I were to screw down the IACV's adjuster all the way down would it kill the motor too? I think I'll give this a try since I've not too many other things left I can think of.

I think I will double check my compression, pop off the intake cam to close up the valves on the intake side and pressurize the intake side again. I'm hoping though that it'll be as simple as a shotty ecm but dunno. Had a buddy who had a shot ecm and it'd idle cold but die hot. Swapped the ecm's and car worked so hopefully it'll be something as simple as that (since I'm lazy lol).


180fan
Posts: 7799
Joined: Sat Dec 14, 2002 12:16 pm
Car: 89 fastback

Post

More pictures and a short clip of my idle when cold.





I took some extra pictures of the various components, like the IACV, and some of the other angles for the intake components so everything should give you a better idea of what I've been staring at for a little bit. I also included pics of the grounds I have at the intake manifold support also the pic of the smoke coming from my exhaust.

Movie cliphttp://youngpark.home.mindspring.com/idlecold.MPG

This time when I started up the car, the car idled like it should, then the idle went to poop. I was left in shock for a little bit thinking that my prayers had been answered and that my car would idle properly then the rough idle gradually sunk in and then the vac gauge started to jump from 15 in/Hg to 3 or 4 in/Hg and then my moment of sobbing in the corner.

NISTECH
Posts: 10585
Joined: Sun May 25, 2003 4:17 am

Post

that says its a computer control issue not nessesarily the ECM but it may be seeing a bogus reading and it compensates. For sh8s and giggles when it starts flucutating disconnect the O2 sensor and see how the car reacts. same or stable?

User avatar
kota2240
Posts: 318
Joined: Sun Jun 06, 2004 4:52 am
Car: 92 Nissan Coupe W/ CA18ddet

Post

i disconnected mine and it stayed stable what does that mean??

User avatar
kota2240
Posts: 318
Joined: Sun Jun 06, 2004 4:52 am
Car: 92 Nissan Coupe W/ CA18ddet

Post

the same i mean nothing changed

180fan
Posts: 7799
Joined: Sat Dec 14, 2002 12:16 pm
Car: 89 fastback

Post

alrighty looks like I'm going for a walk to to my buddy's house to check out that o2 connection. lol. yeah sorry bout the number of pics, just figured that the more stuff there was the more helpful it'd be at least getting you visually more familiar with the setup.

NISTECH
Posts: 10585
Joined: Sun May 25, 2003 4:17 am

Post

there were a couple things in the pics that I am curious about but didnt have time earlier to copy and highlight. but when you stated the car was suddenly fine for a period of time it says to me it is a computer control issue rather then a mechanical issue[vaccum leak]when you unplug your O2 it will take it out of closed loop ao it wont try to maintaine 14.7to1 fuel ratio it will use a predetermined fail safe. if it continues to do it then you will have to unplug the tps while its running and see if it will stop. that will throw it into base mode. [no air or timing compensation]

NISTECH
Posts: 10585
Joined: Sun May 25, 2003 4:17 am

Post

kota2240 your not making any sence? I assume you have the same problem?

180fan
Posts: 7799
Joined: Sat Dec 14, 2002 12:16 pm
Car: 89 fastback

Post

Ah I see ok so if I pull the o2 then the tps if that doesn't work.

NISTECH
Posts: 10585
Joined: Sun May 25, 2003 4:17 am

Post

yea one at a time, Kinda want to find a direction with this, fuel or air.

NISTECH
Posts: 10585
Joined: Sun May 25, 2003 4:17 am

Post

ok pictures speak for them selves..lol

NISTECH
Posts: 10585
Joined: Sun May 25, 2003 4:17 am

Post

#2

180fan
Posts: 7799
Joined: Sat Dec 14, 2002 12:16 pm
Car: 89 fastback

Post

That first hose is going to the vac gauge I've got hooked up on a tee off the fpr. the second one, there was a thing that held wires and vac hoses right there, I just took it off.

180fan
Posts: 7799
Joined: Sat Dec 14, 2002 12:16 pm
Car: 89 fastback

Post

Alrighty, tested the ECM, that aint the culprit. So right now I've pulled the engine harness again, gonna check over all the wires at the ecu and make sure they're good. I've checked over my own connections that I made to make the wiring work for my car but I bought the harness from another guy so I dunno if he effed it up or if it was cool to begin with. So gonna double check that. I'll let you guys know what I find. BTW guys have fun at Formula D tomorrow!

NISTECH
Posts: 10585
Joined: Sun May 25, 2003 4:17 am

Post

did you try the suggestions I gave you by disconnecting the sensors during its surging idle?

180fan
Posts: 7799
Joined: Sat Dec 14, 2002 12:16 pm
Car: 89 fastback

Post

Yeah the o2 sensor didn't do anything and neither did the tps.

s13sr20chris
Posts: 4148
Joined: Tue Jun 10, 2003 9:32 am
Car: '89 Nissan S13 w/redtop running 13psi and not leaking fuel anymore
Contact:

Post

so its sounding more electical as we go then eh?

180fan
Posts: 7799
Joined: Sat Dec 14, 2002 12:16 pm
Car: 89 fastback

Post

Yeah I've pulled the engine harness to check for continuity between all the plugs and their appropriate harness point. So far I've found 2 or 3 wire colors that don't match up at the ecu side, and now I'm beginning the tedious harness continuity testing.

180fan
Posts: 7799
Joined: Sat Dec 14, 2002 12:16 pm
Car: 89 fastback

Post

Strange, I've got continuity from everything and resistances that are pretty low, like 0.2-0.3 ohms for most of the wires. There is something right next to the coolant temp sensor that I'm not too sure what it does. The part is called a thermal transmitter. The temp sensor and the transmitter both connect up into the a Y that connects into the engine harness.

NISTECH
Posts: 10585
Joined: Sun May 25, 2003 4:17 am

Post

single wire black connector? if so possibly the gauge sender??

180fan
Posts: 7799
Joined: Sat Dec 14, 2002 12:16 pm
Car: 89 fastback

Post

yeah it was a single black wire. That was strange though. Not exactly sure what it does, but it sits right next to the coolant temp sensor. Oh got the car to idle properly today cold and hot. Yay! So yeah thank goodness this problem's taken care of. It was electrical from what I reckon since I pushed in every connector when I was testing for continuity and resistances across the wires and something probably was loose. *shakes fist* Thanks again guys, I seriously owe you guys one. Nistech, I think sometime this weekend I'll be heading to Davis to chill with my buddy but if you're somewhere around there I'll drop off like dunno a 6 pack or something of Fat Tire beer. lol

s13sr20chris
Posts: 4148
Joined: Tue Jun 10, 2003 9:32 am
Car: '89 Nissan S13 w/redtop running 13psi and not leaking fuel anymore
Contact:

Post

thermal transmitter is the temp sensor for the gauge in the cluster. the temp sensor we all know and love is the one for the ecm and everything. notice how the one for the ecm seems to be a better quality sensor. yeah, they dont want us to know how hot the motor is. my engine can hit 245+ without the stock gauge moving.

180fan
Posts: 7799
Joined: Sat Dec 14, 2002 12:16 pm
Car: 89 fastback

Post

damn them! *shakes fist* I guess the way around that is to get a coolant temp sensor and gauge seperately lol


Return to “Nissan Online Mechanic”