Southwest Bumps Skinny to Accommodate Fatty

[RobPaulson]

For me, this isn't an entirely accurate statement. Yes, I generally hate fat people. But, that is redundant. It would be no less accurate for me to say I generally hate people. If I don't already know you, I'd say that 10 times out of 10 I'm going to hate you when we first meet. That extends to everyone, independent of color/race/age/size/sex/etc. Probably why I make fun of everyone too. If I get labeled as being hateful to fatties by making fun of them and I gel labeled as a sexist for making fun of women and I get labeled as racist for making fun of anyone who isn't white, I'm confused as to what that makes me. I'm an equal opportunity offender.

i believe this puts you morally somewhere around the creators of south park...

[marlin29311]

I have a friend who is going to have the gastric by-pass surgery in January. She is +/- 6' tall and is easily over 300 lbs. Unfortunately, most of her problem is the fact that she eats a lot, she eats unhealthy foods, and she gets ZERO exercise. She thinks this surgery is her magic wand. What scares me the most is that if she continues to eat like this after the surgery, she could die. She doesn't want to put forth the effort, she just wants someone to "fix her".

Gastic bypass is more than a physical surgery, it's also mental surgery. My mom had gastric bypass a couple of years ago, because she was severely overweight and could not stand it anymore. The whole process is more than just simply going to the operating table and getting sliced open...my mom was required to go a psycologist several times to determine if she was in the right mind set for post-op and that she had the support of people around her for her to make the change. I'd be worried if your friend is just getting the surgery cold turkey.

As I mentioned earlier, now my mom is getting ready to run her first 5k. Fat is a way of life, not a disease. Fat can be overcome, no matter the adversity. For my mom, it meant surgery, but the surgery has also helped her change her life for the better. Sometimes your body doesn't completely allow for you to do exactly what you want, but medical science can help. You still have to WANT it.

Was my mom fat? Yes. Did she do something about it? Yes.

People who don't do anything about it are the bad ones. They're the fatties we're all talking about. The people who overcome weight issues are not fat in my mind.

I'll repost my first post too.

I was a fatty. I mean, I wasn't 2-seat fat, but I was 245 pounds in 8th grade.

I am no longer a fatty.

I hate when people say "fat" is a disease. The only disease that exists is called LAZINESS.

f***, my mom was way overweight, and she knew it. Does she have a thyroid problem - yes. Low metabolism - yes. What does she do now? She goes to the gym 4-5 times a week, and is getting ready to run a 5k - her first ever.

I think doctor's aren't doing their jobs to scare the s*** out of people. You get super fat, you can get diabeeeeeeeeeeetus...which means you could lose your eyesight among other terrible things. Instilling fear of s*** that matters makes people change their minds.

And you know why European's aren't as fat? BECAUSE THEY EXERCISE. They don't take their 10 gallon per mile SUV to the f**king fat-market and buy candy and s*** to eat while watching movies all night. They walk to work, they eat less, and generally lead much healthier lives becuase they move around.

Humans weren't designed to sit around all day and watch TV. Get off your a** and do something.

Want a good activity? You can burn 300 calories/hr having sex....if you can find someone who wants your lard a**.

[ADDirishboy]

Just as an after thought - there is one place where that child is being fed that the parents do NOT have control over the menu and that is in the schools. Many many days Priss would come home from school and tell me about all the high calorie, high fat, high sugar foods being served in the cafeteria. She can have all the pizza, tacos, nachos, Burgers, chicken nuggets, fries, cookies she can stand. She considers herself lucky on the days they offer ham sandwiches. If she wants to have salad for lunch, she has to take her own because the schools took the salad bar out, they claimed it was too expensive. So the schools are a big culprit as well.

Actually, this is a HUGE problem.

There was recently a show on the Food Network called "Jamie Oliver's Food Revolution." The show was about a chef, Jamie Oliver, who went to Huntington, VA to try and help them change the way they eat. Statistically, they are the fattest city in America, which is the fattest country in the world. So they are in the mother f*** fatty world series. The elite fatties. He went into the schools and tried to change what they served.

It was astonishing at what those kids eat. They have to have a certain number of servings of fruit, veggies, etc. What's pathetic is that it's all BS. NONE of the kids eat their little fruit bowl. French fries are considered a vegetable. It's disgusting.

What's even more disgusting was how hard it was for him to even TRY to get things changed. It was a constant battle for him to get the school to change anything because of how the rules are. He wanted to get rid of chocolate and strawberry milk and only have white milk available for the kids, completely legitimate since one of those chocolate milks has more sugar in it that a soda does. It was a huge fight just to get rid of those 2 things, because for whatever reason the school boards seem to think that the children need "choices". No. Eff that. These are kids in elementary school. They don't get choices. They'll eat whatever is served to them and be damn thankful for it.

Point is it's even set up in our schools to where children eat fatty foods all day long. That's why my mother always packed me a lunch. Usually a turkey sammich, an apple, and some yogurt. But we need to start changing everything about this country. We are going to fatty hell in a handbasket, and it's government sponsored.

[ADDirishboy]

Gastic bypass is more than a physical surgery, it's also mental surgery. My mom had gastric bypass a couple of years ago, because she was severely overweight and could not stand it anymore. The whole process is more than just simply going to the operating table and getting sliced open...my mom was required to go a psycologist several times to determine if she was in the right mind set for post-op and that she had the support of people around her for her to make the change. I'd be worried if your friend is just getting the surgery cold turkey.

Unfortunately, not all hospitals are created equal. Your mom went to a great hospital if they did that. But the reality is that there are tons more that will just slice you open and do the surgery. Then that overweight person goes home and is under the impression that they just had the hand of God inside them and can continue on with life the same way they always have. And it's not because the doctors don't tell them that they need to completely change their eating habits and exercise habits, cause they do. It's because people think that surgery is a miracle cure, when it's really the exact opposite.

[Jesda]

Actually, this is a HUGE problem.

There was recently a show on the Food Network called "Jamie Oliver's Food Revolution."

Jamie Oliver is a worthless twit. Yes, the program highlighted legitimate problems, but his entire agenda includes TAXING sugary and fatty foods and getting government on all levels MORE involved in our personal choices.
He wants the f*** government to round us up and tell us what to eat. The WHOLE PROBLEM begins with government being held up as a dietary authority, creating an FDA food pyramid scam that awards large corporate suppliers with food service contracts.

Maybe if he had a god damn clue, he'd notice that our corn industry, which produces low-cost high fructose corn syrup, is SUBSIDIZED by states and the federal government. Instead of taking away the rights and responsibilities of free people, how about taking away the corporate welfare that makes it so affordable to eat poorly and get fat?

And then there's all the tariffs on imported cane sugar.




I hope Jamie Oliver chokes on a carrot, or a c***, and dies. He's the enemy of free people.

[ADDirishboy]

Meh. When I still smoked, I was taxed like crazy on a box of cigarettes. Why? Because it's way unhealthy and it leads to major medical issues more often than not. Why shouldn't fatty foods, which are equally as unhealthy, be taxed in the same manner? s***, the price of cigarettes was a major category I looked at when I quit smoking. Maybe people will start eating healthier if the price of a Baconator goes up.

[RobPaulson]

The WHOLE PROBLEM begins with government being used up as a dietary authority, creating an FDA food pyramid scam that awards large corporate suppliers with food service contracts.

Maybe if he had a god damn clue, he'd notice that our corn industry, which produces low-cost high fructose corn syrup, is SUBSIDIZED by states and the federal government. Instead of taking away the rights and responsibilities of free people, how about taking away the corporate welfare that makes it so affordable to eat poorly and get fat?

oh snap you go girl haha

<foil hat>
no srsly, not many people realize this. THE FOOD PYRAMID IS A FARSE AND WILL KILL YOU IF YOU FOLLOW IT!!!!!!!!!!!

guess who had a HUGE hand in producing the food pyramid for the FDA? general mills.

Take a look at the pyramid... (lulz they changed it from when i went to school, its still the same %'s basically though)


now... what does general mills produce? Grain based products. coincidence that grains are the biggest part of said 'pyramid' ?? dont think so folks.

Processed grains are NOT healthy for you. They are a form of caloric intake that is cheap, easy, and can taste really good. Guess what is healthy for you? natural fats(EVOO, avocado, etc), meats, and veggies. how much of that pyramid is that stuff?? it is so backwards and screwed up it drives me crazy.
</foil hat>

[infinitgkid]

guess who had a HUGE hand in producing the food pyramid for the FDA? general mills.

Wow. I didn't even know that.

I guess you learn something new everyday.

[RobPaulson]

the food pyramid should be something more like. . .

NO grains
NO fruit
LOTS OF MEAT
LOTS OF VEGGIES
LOTS OF FAT (natural fat... not crappy saturated fried food fat)

and the milk category. . . just no. not at all.
EDIT: to elaborate the milk comment... milk has a healthy and useful place in nutrition, but isnt really worthy of its own category in a diet plan. you have carbs, fat, and protein. depends what kind of milk, but the more 'real' stuff falls under the 'fat' category afaik. (please, someone correct me if i'm wrong... i'm still trying to really solidify this stuff. . . )

^^ see wut i did there? knowledge is power, effort is necessary to understand your body and how it works and reacts to food. its not like i'm a food science specialist, i'm a computer nerd with a personal investment in health. aka myself.

[93coupe]

LOTS OF MEAT

[Jesda]

Meh. When I still smoked, I was taxed like crazy on a box of cigarettes. Why? Because it's way unhealthy and it leads to major medical issues more often than not. Why shouldn't fatty foods, which are equally as unhealthy, be taxed in the same manner? s***, the price of cigarettes was a major category I looked at when I quit smoking. Maybe people will start eating healthier if the price of a Baconator goes up.

Because in a free society, its none of your god damned mother f*** business.

If you let worthless do-gooders control what you eat, those same nosey pieces of s*** will move on to telling you what to drive, who to bang, what to wear, and ultimately, what to think and believe.

And because you're apparently among this do-gooder crowd: f*** you. Take your ***hole nanny state-worshipping friends to a padded room and suck each other off. Hopefully someone in the group will have AIDS.




































[Just kidding. Don't get AIDS. You're a nice fellow.]





































Love always,

-Jesda Gulati

[ADDirishboy]

I just see too many fatasses who get multiple surgeries and keep eating like s***. It's a health issue and these people are wasting hospital resources by coming in for the same damn thing every week. And you can't say that it's their choice if they wanna keep coming in every week because they are unwilling to change.

To be quite honest, we need to limit the amount of times these people can come in for a bypass surgery or something like that. Come in too many times? We won't help the next time. Probably should have listened when we told you to stop eating like s***, or to stop smoking, or anything else like that.

[93coupe]

I will do a gastric bypass surgery for free in my basement to anyone that wants one. Just sign a waiver and I'll take a stab at it.

[HashiriyaS14]

our corn industry, which produces low-cost high fructose corn syrup, is SUBSIDIZED by states and the federal government. Instead of taking away the rights and responsibilities of free people, how about taking away the corporate welfare that makes it so affordable to eat poorly and get fat?

^^
This is a very legitimate point. Corn subsidies are the devil, and they don't benefit anyone but ADM and Cargill.

School lunches are indeed in a sorry state, and I do think it's one of the cases where it needs to be solved via regulation. I don't believe in trying to regulate what adults eat via taxation, but minors are another matter, and you can't just leave it to the guardian or a local authority in the cases when said parties would do a poor job. It SHOULD be determined by local authorities, school boards etc, but it should be subject to review by a federal regulatory body.

Obviously, this would only work if the private sector noses out of said regulatory body, and this might be impossible, so if that's the case, I'm out of ideas.

[Jesda]

It SHOULD be determined by local authorities, school boards etc, but it should be subject to review by a federal regulatory body.

Obviously, this would only work if the private sector noses out of said regulatory body, and this might be impossible, so if that's the case, I'm out of ideas.

Yeah, that's one of those tricky situations. Public schools are already local/state/federally-funded institutions, so they're inviting oversight by accepting funding.

[RobPaulson]

I'll take a stab at it.

zing.

[Jesda]

I will do a gastric bypass surgery for free in my basement to anyone that wants one. Just sign a waiver and I'll take a stab at it.

Speaking of that, sort of... a friend of mine (a med student) went to Mexico and paid $2000 to put a balloon in his stomach. It dramatically improved his quality of life (balloon comes out this fall) and the procedure was clean and professional.

[93coupe]

Do you ever laugh as you type stuff because you think you're soooo funny? I do all the time.

[93coupe]

I will do a gastric bypass surgery for free in my basement to anyone that wants one. Just sign a waiver and I'll take a stab at it.

Speaking of that, sort of... a friend of mine (a med student) went to Mexico and paid $2000 to put a balloon in his stomach. It dramatically improved his quality of life (balloon comes out this fall) and the procedure was clean and professional.

He could have paid me half that. I would hand him a glass of water and tell him to swallow the balloon. BAM! Balloon in your stomach.

[AppleBonker]

Gerry, that diet is bull pucky. Not all people can live on that and have success with what they are trying to accomplish. For me, building muscle, I require carbs. They should make up nearly 40 percent of my caloric intake. I know that doesn't jive with your caveman diet, but it is ideal for me. The problem with the food pyramid is that it is a guideline and does NOT work for ALL people. Maybe for some, but not for all. Your diet works for some, and not for all. 2,000 calories/day is bull. For some people that is enough, others too much and other still far too few.

The big problem with all this is people trusting the information of others without doing their own research. How many people walk into an auto dealer and just buy a car because one friend told them it is great. Or, to up the magnitude of the decision a bit, what if I told you there was a great house in your area that was in your budget? Would you buy it without any investigation on your part? So why, WHY do people think their health is any different? If some book tells you a diet is perfect are you just going to follow it blindly? You wouldn't for the house example above, and that's just money. But when it comes to your health and how long you may live, jumping without looking is ok? This country is effed when money > health/life.

[Jesda]

He could have paid me half that. I would hand him a glass of water and tell him to swallow the balloon. BAM! Balloon in your stomach.

If you tie the balloon into the shape of a dog, you can charge more.

[RobPaulson]

Gerry, that diet is bull pucky. Not all people can live on that and have success with what they are trying to accomplish. For me, building muscle, I require carbs. They should make up nearly 40 percent of my caloric intake. I know that doesn't jive with your caveman diet, but it is ideal for me. The problem with the food pyramid is that it is a guideline and does NOT work for ALL people. Maybe for some, but not for all. Your diet works for some, and not for all. 2,000 calories/day is bull. For some people that is enough, others too much and other still far too few.

<sigh> i didnt say carbs are bad. i said grains. and where did u get 2kcal a day? i eat 2800-3200.

also, calling the diet 'bull pucky' and then claiming that certain things work for certain people, come on now. you usually make more sense than this.

I'm not going to get into the technicalities of this stuff in this thread though, my point was, the current pyramid is phuked and full of shyte. how you restructure it depends on your goals, yes.

[AppleBonker]

I guess I didn't type clearly. All diets are bogus. There isn't one perfect diet. It depends on what your goals are. My diet works for me, but probably wont for most. This was why I made the point that research is key. Your diet should depend HEAVILY on your goals. Unfortunately, the world always has some standard policies/guidelines/whatever you want to call them. But all people are different, so it's easier to find a diet that suits your needs than mold a random set of instructions to work for you. Hopefully that clears things up.

[93coupe]

[Mr1der]

I think most "diets" are stupid and a waste of time. If you really achieve much weight loss from that alone, when you stop it's gonna come right back.

working with a nutritionist or being smart enough to open a few books or dig for information to modify and tweak your eating patterns and pay more attention to what you eat is the way to go.

I should probably start listening to myself again. About 6 years ago I guess I was close to 330 or so pounds, merely changing the quantities and intervals I ate, I dropped down to under 270 pounds. More frequent, smaller meals seem to work out better for me as it keeps me from starving then gorging myself.

on that, I wonder if I still have yogurt...that and a granola bar sound like something good for the first thing I eat this morning.

last I stepped on a scale, I was 292lbs. I'm gonna shoot for 270-265 this time next month.

[ADDirishboy]

on that, I wonder if I still have yogurt...that and a granola bar sound like something good for the first thing I eat this morning.

That's what I have most mornings for breakfast. Some fat free vanilla yogurt, and toss in some almond granola. Delicious.

[AppleBonker]

Some fat free vanilla yogurt, and toss in some almond

Nut yogurt?

[Mr1der]

he loves it.

[Urabus GodofTraction]

The "Paleo Diet" is pretty much eating better for dummies. No thought put into the benefits of whole grains, for example. The for dummies part makes it very easy to follow, though; for the most part if you can't answer yes to "is it green?" or "did it breathe?" then you don't eat it. Certainly better than Twinkies and Wonder Bread.

Interestingly, a lot of the Paleo movement on NICO comes from Crossfitters, but Crossfit itself continues to recommend the overall fairly sound Zone Diet. Which would be my "diet" recommendation of choice, big picture it is simply a 60% carbs (to include fruits and vegetables), 30% protein, 10% healthy fats. Much better than that silly caveman hubub.

Oh, and fatties are still terrible people.

[fiznowler]

The "Paleo Diet" is pretty much eating better for dummies. No thought put into the benefits of whole grains, for example. The for dummies part makes it very easy to follow, though; for the most part if you can't answer yes to "is it green?" or "did it breathe?" then you don't eat it. Certainly better than Twinkies and Wonder Bread.

Interestingly, a lot of the Paleo movement on NICO comes from Crossfitters, but Crossfit itself continues to recommend the overall fairly sound Zone Diet. Which would be my "diet" recommendation of choice, big picture it is simply a 60% carbs (to include fruits and vegetables), 30% protein, 10% healthy fats. Much better than that silly caveman hubub.

Oh, and fatties are still terrible people.

I don't know why but for some reason every single post you and PMQ make just annoy the piss out of me.