So you want to buy a Skyline in the US....

[MostH8D]

dude. what are you loling about?

they remanufacture the vehicle and issue an MSO with it.

[jbracy7]

thats it ,lets start importing "replica skylines" in a kit of course. i would love to have a kit skyline. frame, body engine/drivetrain

[Hooked on 240]

wow. you are such a tuff guy. since you know who i am and all when you run into me im sure you will recognize me. and teach me manners.

once again, nice interpretation of that law. where did you get your law degree again? still no answer. what is your degree in? be honest.

what is it you do for a living? 41k posts?? hmmm....

are you retarded or dropped on your head alot when your a kid. BEFORE you post do research. stop making nico a place for Ehaters like your self. this topic is about importing Gt-r's not IM Mr. Tuff guy typing on a keyboard.

[Vandrel]

Now this thread is completely out of control,

[themadscientist]

It will be a short show I assure you.

H8, I advise you to adjust yourself. He has 41K posts because he owns the place. If you turn into a cancer I'll just excise you.

[MostH8D]

if you would have read acouple of posts up he's the tuff guy who levied the E-threat to me. youre the retard. thanks for playing.

[themadscientist]

ban me.

okidoki

[Marenta]

Well, crap. I thought I had the CFR that specifically dealt with final manufacture of vehicles and whether or not they could be reVINed or not.

Because, that's, in essence, what Kaizo is doing, and that's what Unique Performance was doing. And if Unique Performance was doing it illegally, where's it written? I haven't found it anywhere, yet. I want to see proof.

[WDRacing]

In case any of you guys were wondering, I ran a background check on Mr H8er here and it turned up some really odd facts. First off...he was actually born as a female and later had a operation that only partially took. So he is now...for lack of a better term...a shim. I'm pretty sure this is one of the reasons he's so confused and suffers from mood swings, testosterone and estrogen appear to be uncontrolled and unchecked by the proper meds.

So I think we need to be nice and treat shim as we'd treat any other person with a serious handicap

WD

[rn79870]

You forgot to point out about MostH8d's bed wetting problem.

[Hooked on 240]

Man i miss nico

[Sentientbydesign]

What part of CEO is so hard to understand?

[Unstroked]

In case any of you guys were wondering, I ran a background check on Mr H8er here and it turned up some really odd facts. First off...he was actually born as a female and later had a operation that only partially took. So he is now...for lack of a better term...a shim. I'm pretty sure this is one of the reasons he's so confused and suffers from mood swings, testosterone and estrogen appear to be uncontrolled and unchecked by the proper meds.

So I think we need to be nice and treat shim as we'd treat any other person with a serious handicap

WD

Its post like this that really makes this forum have the bad rep that it does. I chat on a couple different forums and this one could be a good one if people don't make comments like the one above. Lets get back to talking about FACTS.

$0.02

[Sentientbydesign]

Its post like this that really makes this forum have the bad rep that it does. I chat on a couple different forums and this one could be a good one if people don't make comments like the one above. Lets get back to talking about FACTS.

$0.02

The FACT is that this guy stepped WAY out of line speaking to anyone that way...especially staff...especially the site owner. Since we're talking about FACTS.

I have yet to see a better forum than NICO. The staff and contributing members kick *** and are always lending a helpful hand (fingers lol).

[Twin_40's]

ok so I haven't been to the site for awhile as I was forced to sell my 240's but came back when I was searching for info on importing cars, my question is how different would the process be if it was a 180sx or a honda Integra basically cars with nearly identical counterparts here in the states? I know this thread is Skyline aimed so if anybody has a thread concerning this let me know. O and as I was searching I came across another place selling just "legal" chasis that have been modified and you have to source your own engine, sounds to me that this idea will get popular fast and then potentially be shut dowm

[Marenta]

Can you link up this "legal" chassis place? Kaizo? Because I know Kaizo does a lot of the same mods Motorex did, but not all of them.

[Twin_40's]

check out this site and look under legal it goes with what I was saying above http://www.fast4wheels.com/ and sorry if everyone already knows about it Ive been out of the loop

[Vandrel]

The FACT is that this guy stepped WAY out of line speaking to anyone that way...especially staff...especially the site owner. Since we're talking about FACTS.

I have yet to see a better forum than NICO. The staff and contributing members kick *** and are always lending a helpful hand (fingers lol).

That goes both ways though, a lot of these "facts" and hard evidence is posted by people who have first hand experience with it. There is a number of biased people on this site so getting things through to those few is no easy task and often results in a thread like this.

[Marenta]

I've been looking at http://www.brokerprosllc.com/page/page/3235526.htm for a while, they're the only ones that can seem to get their hands on Motorex Bonded Skylines to sell them at a decent rate, and they tend to get a fair number of Kaizo cars as well. They also tend to get some "other" cars. The Motorex cars are Federal Legal, the Kaizo are Kaizo, and if they're not labeled as either of those, well, then they're "other."

[AZhitman]

if you would have read acouple of posts up he's the tuff guy who levied the E-threat to me. youre the retard. thanks for playing.

Feel free to back up your mouth then, Sunshine.

As I recall, you're the douchenozzle who levied the term "c***-face" just because I didnt fall for your nutswinging.

I'm not gonna go chasing these guys around begging for an explanation of what they're doing.

It'd be in their best interests as a business to have us supporting them. If they choose not to respond to the legitimate questions as to the legality of what they do, then the "speculation" will continue.

Don't fret about what I do for a living, son. It's far from relevant to this discussion. But you'll not come into my place of business and start spouting off without getting checked - that's just the way it works.

[SamuraiSam]

http://www.northwestnissans.co...78062

Fast4wheel comments from me.

[AZhitman]

As far as discussions of other non-US cars, we've covered that pretty extensively elsewhere... 180's and Silvias were substantially similar to cars offered in mass productio for the US market, so we don't need to get into those.

Let's all take a step back and look at what the discussion in this thread was initially about, and where it's moved into - Namely, the current claims by Kaizo and whether they are indeed legit.

Again, I don't personally have an issue with it, because I think the importation restrictions are mostly retarded bureaucratic power trips.

The difference is, I'm actually INVOLVED in helping press for legislative changes and protection of the enthusiasts who enjoy this hobby, through my membership in SEMA, the Sport Compact Council, and the Political Action Committee.

I'v got NO problem if one of the company reps rolls through here and drops some education on us. I DO take issue with someone who's unaffiliated with the company spouting misinformation when we've researched this topic for years, and then calls US "speculators".

Either you're an expert and have additional information that we DON'T have, OR you're simply guessing and trying to muddy the waters (in which case, you have NO place trying to argue, because you're not bringing anything NEW to the table).

Carry on, Gents.

[Marenta]

Well, the only two things I've found that make the Kaizo illegal are the fact that I can't seem to find the SAE registration of K16 VIN (but then again, I'm not going to buy the entire friggen registrar, either) and I have no yet ascertained where to contact the SAE to inquire about it's legality. I KNOW that it can be used as one. And I KNOW that it is the right area, I KNOW that it was not swapped off of another vehicle, I KNOW that it has never been used from another country, and I KNOW that it's not being used by another manufacturer. I just don't know if they're actually registered with the SAE or not.

And the other thing that I believe makes a Kaizo illegal by US standards is the fact that once the vehicle has been mass produced and stamped with a VIN from the original maker, the VIN cannot be removed, and therefore must be used. So, if you were to tear the car apart, and alter it in any way/shape/form, even if you were to just rebuild the chassis into a porch swing and sell it as a kit, it would have to keep the original VIN. But, the CFR that governs this is so vague, or indirect. Although, it does mention something about changing the weight of the vehicle, you must keep the old VIN but add a sticker as long as it conforms with standards 567.4 and 567.5 and had been certified in those standards.

I'm about ready to make a list of numbers to call and start talking to people. If the JDM Skylines never met US standards for VIN markings, then Kaizo legally has the right to register with SAE, put a 17 digit VIN on the car, ship it to the US as a kit and let us play with it as a beer pong table if we want to.

[Hype]

That goes both ways though, a lot of these "facts" and hard evidence is posted by people who have first hand experience with it. There is a number of biased people on this site so getting things through to those few is no easy task and often results in a thread like this.

That bias is not unfounded though. We've all heard stories of people dropping 40,000 bones (or more) only to have their car seized by the authorities. Motorex was the only source for legal cars and they went and ruined the chance for future importers. Through the years on this forum, various parties have claimed to have found ways to register Skylines, and some took the plunge and paid the price...

For as hard of a time you're getting from some, if this works out to be a viable option I'm sure NICO will give support worth TENFOLD of this "bias"

[Marenta]

I got a reply from Casey at JSPECConnect about Kaizo unibodies and the VIN issues that I had questions about. Here's his reply:

Hi Deidra,

We have no problem answering questions. The answers to your two questions are actually pretty simple.

Number one is that the Kaizo Industries VIN (Vehicle Identification Number) is just a body number. It is not a recognized United States VIN number. A lot of times when people register our bodies using the MSO, their particular state will assign the car a VIN number. So Kaizo is not a manufacturer and that is why we don't and can't provide drivetrains with the unibodies.

For question number two, the unibodies that we offer where never produced for the US market and thus the VIN numbers assigned to them don't have any real significance here. For example to register a Kaizo Kit Car here in California, you have to apply for one of the 500 Kit Exemptions. When you do that you have to see a smog referee to verify how your vehicle will be classified on the title and registration. You have the choice of using the body or engine year of your car. But for a Kaizo car neither the body or the engine family are recognized in the US market so the referee assigns the default 1960 year and SPCN make (for specially constructed).

Also remember that you will not have to worry about retrofitting OBD II to our unibodies because we are NOT selling Motor vehicles that have to be federalized. Our unibodies are meant to be assembled by whoever buys the unibody from us and registered as a specially constructed / home built / kit vehicle. These vehicles follow a specific set of rules different from federalized motor vehicles.

Let me know if you have any other questions.

Thanks,Casey

[AZhitman]

That helps a TON.

Kinda contradicts some of what we'd heard previously, and pretty much assusres that none of these will make it to CA.

All 500 kit car exemptions for the year are gone within an hour of opening up the line. Been that way for years.

Maybe now I'll hit up Casey for an R34 chassis for my VH or LS swap.

[Koshin]

whats the deal with Silvias stateside??

[Marenta]

Yeah, I actually just found it in the CFR where it proves that it has to be a certified US VIN, otherwise as far as the US is concerned the vehicle never existed.

http://law.justia.com/us/cfr/t....html

More specifically 567.7, it states that it has to meet 567.4 and 567.5 for it to be counted as a VIN. My guess is that most DMVs in states will use the K16 series that Kaizo uses as a serial for the VIN since it's already there.

I think that with enough digging, we've just proven that Kaizos are legal. The VIN was the only legality that was the hold up that I found, and Casey answered that question for me. So, I'm square. Guess I'm getting a unibody.

[Edit:

If you need to get information about Kaizo or the legalities, feel free to contact Casey at [email protected]. He and the entire jspec team are more than happy to assist you, normally.]

[USsil80]

yes.. but i have yet to see a price on there stuff? i HAVE been wondering what they are charging for a r32/33/34 unibody...

[Marenta]

http://www.brokerprosllc.com/page/page/3235526.htm

That's one site that sells Kaizo cars fully made.. and..

http://www.fast4wheels.com/jdm.php

There's another.

If you want a Kaizo unibody, you have to contact Daryl or Casey about it, and they'll do all the contacting for you. Kaizo's site is in interim now, it's not really fully functional. Although, I agree, they should get it up and running soon. I did see a good price list on http://www.jspecconnect.com for their unibodies in the forums somewhere, though.