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LeroyBrown wrote: just agree with me that little wayne is pop and not true hip hop.
With the exception of Carter 3, his past albums are straight gansta rap, not hip hop. Theres no doubt about it. Theres a difference between rap and hip hop. Theres no such thing as Gangsta Hip Hop. I don't know how it is in NM, but I can almost guaranty that any one thats a G will have wayne on his playlist. I mean c'mon... when you wanna bump hardcore gangsta sh*t in your car... are you gonna toss on some Premier type conscious rap, or are you gonna toss on some hardcore-gangsta-bust-your-guns type rap? I mean... even Fat Joe raps about the same things (think "Make it rain on them hoes"), yet you toss on a Fat Joe -Premier song? Premiers a conscious rap producer..

I'm not doggin Premier or conscious rap at all, I mean, I love it... but its not gangsta, which it seems like you're comparing.

I will however say that gangsta hood type rappers do get soft after awhile, which kind of lose my respect. Prime examples: Snoop, TI, Ice Cube, and maybe Lil Wayne...


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i dont know if they got "soft" but they just got more mature, grew up. those guys were teens when they first got in the game. they are living better and have more to live for now. theyre out of their old surroundings. back when they were living the g life, they pretty much had nothing to lose, which led the to taking risks and ending up exactly where they are now.

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Rapper's Delight -- Sugarhill Gang wrote:
check it out, i'm the c-a-s-an-the-o-v-aand the rest is f-l-yya see i go by the code of the doctor of the mixand these reasons i'll tell ya whyya see i'm six foot one and i'm tons of funand i dress to a tya see i got more clothes than muhammad ali and i dress so viciouslyi got bodyguards, i got two big carsthat definitely aint the wacki got a lincoln continental and a sunroof cadillacso after school, i take a dip in the poolwhich really is on the walli got a color tv so i can seethe knicks play basketballhear me talkin bout checkbooks, credit cardsmore money than a sucker could ever spendbut i wouldnt give a sucker or a bum from the ruckernot a dime til i made it againya go hotel motel whatcha gonna do today (say what)ya say im gonna get a fly girl gonna get some spankindrive off in a def ojeverybody go, hotel motel holiday innsay if your girl starts actin up, then you take her friendmaster gee, am I mellowits on you so what you gonna do
Now remember hip hop was commercial in parts if it's roots. Like I quoted above, Sugarhill Gang lightweight mentions being a "BOSS" or "BALLIN" to today's standards. Honestly, I am in love with hip hop, and I used to think the same way when cats like Lil' Wayne and Cash Money popped off. I didn't like them at first, but I've grown to accept it.

Hip hop is ALWAYS GOING TO BE DIFFERENT WHEREVER YOU GO, however, the origin of this music stems from way back in the day with Run DMC and Grandmaster Flash, etc. The way I vibe to music here in SF is probably different than how you're feelin it in NY. We express ourselves differently, through music, slang, the way we dress, etc. Sh*tt..even the way we fix ours cars may not be as appealing to others.

Do I like Soulja Boy or Lil' Wayne? Soulja Boy is a joke to me, and Lil' Wayne's voice makes him always sound like he's whimpering, so that's annoying. But you STILL cop their stuff anyway, so what does it matter to me? Do your thing folks.

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ANVIL wrote:i dont know if they got "soft" but they just got more mature, grew up. those guys were teens when they first got in the game. they are living better and have more to live for now. theyre out of their old surroundings. back when they were living the g life, they pretty much had nothing to lose, which led the to taking risks and ending up exactly where they are now.
yeah I totally agree...

but its like, they sell out their whole street cred for an R&B album. I mean, when TI came out with Trap Muzik.... I was like, Daaaam... this guy's a G with it. the 24's video introduced TI to everyone else...

I would have never thought that 5 years later he'd be singing a song about getting a girl whatever she wants... or like Snoop singing sexual seduction... its like... wtf?

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jdm_master_X wrote:Do I like Soulja Boy or Lil' Wayne? Soulja Boy is a joke to me, and Lil' Wayne's voice makes him always sound like he's whimpering, so that's annoying. But you STILL cop their stuff anyway, so what does it matter to me? Do your thing folks.
you're just too hyphy

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adrians_s13 wrote:With the exception of Carter 3, his past albums are straight gansta rap, not hip hop. Theres no doubt about it. Theres a difference between rap and hip hop. Theres no such thing as Gangsta Hip Hop. I don't know how it is in NM, but I can almost guaranty that any one thats a G will have wayne on his playlist. I mean c'mon... when you wanna bump hardcore gangsta sh*t in your car... are you gonna toss on some Premier type conscious rap, or are you gonna toss on some hardcore-gangsta-bust-your-guns type rap? I mean... even Fat Joe raps about the same things (think "Make it rain on them hoes"), yet you toss on a Fat Joe -Premier song? Premiers a conscious rap producer..

I'm not doggin Premier or conscious rap at all, I mean, I love it... but its not gangsta, which it seems like you're comparing.

I will however say that gangsta hood type rappers do get soft after awhile, which kind of lose my respect. Prime examples: Snoop, TI, Ice Cube, and maybe Lil Wayne...
my bad i forgot about that fat joe song..... lil wayne is still more pop than gangsta rap. the only gangsters that i see listening to lil wayne are posers. gagsta rap is on the lines of Mobb Deep,Spice 1, Tupac, Big L, Wutang, NAS, eazy e, The lox, DMX, Raekwon, brother lynch, big, ghostface killa,gucci mane, 3 six mafia
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LeroyBrown wrote: lil wayne is still more pop than gangsta rap. the only gangsters that i see listening to lil wayne are posers.
okay dude.. You obviously don't know what you're talking about.. so I'm done. I mean, I'm not trying to convert you to be a wayne fan... but I have pretty valid points. You say stuff about lil wayne, but don't back it up. I've lived around gang infested blocks to know the rap knowledge I know and what's being played on people's playlist. I know the favorite lines that people say on the streets. I know this... threads on realraptalk forums elaborate more on it which is an even larger consensus of rap listeners (go on the trap music threads).
LeroyBrown wrote: gagsta rap is on the lines of Mobb Deep,Spice 1, Tupac, Big L, Wutang, NAS, eazy e, The lox, DMX, Raekwon, brother lynch, big, ghostface killa
has been late 90's. welcome to 2008-2009. Half of what's listed don't even record anymore or gave it up for other stuff.
LeroyBrown wrote: gucci mane, 3 six mafia
You'll listen to songs about spinnin rims and freaky girls, but you don't like Wayne? lol

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Ive listened to lil wayned since i was 13, and to this day he is one of my FAVORITE rappers. All this talk about him being "pop" stems from people who are closed minded and only listen to the radio. You cant base lil waynes recent songs toward his 10+ years in the game...cmon man. its called EVOLVING, trying new things...you cant hate on someone for finding fame by trying to reach out other genres...because hes not "underground" because everyone knows who he is, it depreciates the value of the artist? Effin ridiculous...stop trying to steal the spotlight and stop HATING...seriously, you guys are worse than girls.Adrians practically owning this thread. Hes open minded, and will SCHOOL you...actually, consider yourself schooled.




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i see what you are saying about them making those soft songs, but damn, u can only really make so many of those hard songs that get regular play. thats why a lot of artists fall off, they never grow, evolve or change their style. these guys want to stay fresh in peoples minds so they do different things to stay appealing. but its not like they make whole albums like that.

and damn leroy. three 6 mafia gangsta rap? thats straight south right there. lolli pop that body? tear tha club up? sippin syrup? dope boy fresh?

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ANVIL wrote:i see what you are saying about them making those soft songs, but damn, u can only really make so many of those hard songs that get regular play. thats why a lot of artists fall off, they never grow, evolve or change their style. these guys want to stay fresh in peoples minds so they do different things to stay appealing. but its not like they make whole albums like that.

and damn leroy. three 6 mafia gangsta rap? thats straight south right there. lolli pop that body? tear tha club up? sippin syrup? dope boy fresh?
he has evolved more than any other hip hop artist...thats why people dont like him..

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ANVIL wrote:i see what you are saying about them making those soft songs, but damn, u can only really make so many of those hard songs that get regular play. thats why a lot of artists fall off, they never grow, evolve or change their style. these guys want to stay fresh in peoples minds so they do different things to stay appealing. but its not like they make whole albums like that.
haha yeah i guess you're right. I just expect soo much from them I guess. I just really like that raw aggression that comes out of it... but its like, when you're soo used to raw rap coming from them transitioning to something that Ryan Seacrest would present... its like finding out your priest is gay (maybe that analogy is far fetched... but you get what I'm saying).
ANVIL wrote:and damn leroy. three 6 mafia gangsta rap? thats straight south right there. lolli pop that body? tear tha club up? sippin syrup? dope boy fresh?
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chukiBOOTY wrote:Ive listened to lil wayned since i was 13, and to this day he is one of my FAVORITE rappers. All this talk about him being "pop" stems from people who are closed minded and only listen to the radio. You cant base lil waynes recent songs toward his 10+ years in the game...cmon man. its called EVOLVING, trying new things...you cant hate on someone for finding fame by trying to reach out other genres...because hes not "underground" because everyone knows who he is, it depreciates the value of the artist? Effin ridiculous...stop trying to steal the spotlight and stop HATING...seriously, you guys are worse than girls.Adrians practically owning this thread. Hes open minded, and will SCHOOL you...actually, consider yourself schooled.


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OH SNAP JESS IN THE MUTHAFUKKIN HOUSE SON!
HOLLA!!!YO, we wanna make a trip out there soon, go dance the night away...this time with YOUR id.

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I never understood hip hop and rap's obsession with being ghetto. Why is it they are so proud of being ghetto and why is it that fans like being ghetto as well? Honestly, I would be embarrassed about being so ghetto.

As for trying to get the message out about issues, it doesn't help one bit. To the rest of the world and society, it would be most analogous to religious nuts preaching about the gospel. It only turns people away. Another good example would be forums just like this one. How often do we make fun of people who don't spell properly or use proper grammar in their posts? We do that because we know that impressions matter and nobody will listen if we don't. The same is true for people trying to enlighten the public about issues in the ghettos. Nobody will listen if they keep acting the way they do, all ghetto.

As for growing up differently... I can tell you from experience that ghettoness and immaturity look extremely similar to the outside world. I know a lot of people personally that grew up low to low middle class and their behavior comes off more as immaturity than ghettoness. The sad thing is that they just don't know any better because they weren't raised correctly. Yet, more often than not, they complain about their living style and want to live a better life, essentially want to escape the ghettos, but for some reason no matter how much you try to change them, they just won't. The point of all this is that for anyone who want to escape the ghetto, they need to first lose their ghettoness, just like that saying: "Dress for the job you want, not the job you have."

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yelnatsch517 wrote:I never understood hip hop and rap's obsession with being ghetto. Why is it they are so proud of being ghetto and why is it that fans like being ghetto as well? Honestly, I would be embarrassed about being so ghetto.

As for trying to get the message out about issues, it doesn't help one bit. To the rest of the world and society, it would be most analogous to religious nuts preaching about the gospel. It only turns people away. Another good example would be forums just like this one. How often do we make fun of people who don't spell properly or use proper grammar in their posts? We do that because we know that impressions matter and nobody will listen if we don't. The same is true for people trying to enlighten the public about issues in the ghettos. Nobody will listen if they keep acting the way they do, all ghetto.

As for growing up differently... I can tell you from experience that ghettoness and immaturity look extremely similar to the outside world. I know a lot of people personally that grew up low to low middle class and their behavior comes off more as immaturity than ghettoness. The sad thing is that they just don't know any better because they weren't raised correctly. Yet, more often than not, they complain about their living style and want to live a better life, essentially want to escape the ghettos, but for some reason no matter how much you try to change them, they just won't. The point of all this is that for anyone who want to escape the ghetto, they need to first lose their ghettoness, just like that saying: "Dress for the job you want, not the job you have."


youve taken this thread to a new level...

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yelnatsch517 wrote:I never understood hip hop and rap's obsession with being ghetto. Why is it they are so proud of being ghetto and why is it that fans like being ghetto as well? Honestly, I would be embarrassed about being so ghetto.

As for trying to get the message out about issues, it doesn't help one bit. To the rest of the world and society, it would be most analogous to religious nuts preaching about the gospel. It only turns people away. Another good example would be forums just like this one. How often do we make fun of people who don't spell properly or use proper grammar in their posts? We do that because we know that impressions matter and nobody will listen if we don't. The same is true for people trying to enlighten the public about issues in the ghettos. Nobody will listen if they keep acting the way they do, all ghetto.

As for growing up differently... I can tell you from experience that ghettoness and immaturity look extremely similar to the outside world. I know a lot of people personally that grew up low to low middle class and their behavior comes off more as immaturity than ghettoness. The sad thing is that they just don't know any better because they weren't raised correctly. Yet, more often than not, they complain about their living style and want to live a better life, essentially want to escape the ghettos, but for some reason no matter how much you try to change them, they just won't. The point of all this is that for anyone who want to escape the ghetto, they need to first lose their ghettoness, just like that saying: "Dress for the job you want, not the job you have."
well, it seems like you're referring specifically to gangsta rap, but here's my take on it. Gangsta rap, yes it portrays ghettoness, violence, drugs, promiscuity, and other things looked down upon in society... but it also portrays agression and a sense of pride from where you're from. Very similar to that of the talk that your parents give "when I was your age, I had to walk to school, I ate from a wooden spoon, yadda yadda..." There are several other genre of music have similar styles or agression and pride. The mentality of "I've grown up in the ghettos" rises a sense of feeling that if you can withstand that, you can withstand anything (physically wise at least).

Aaand, not everyone wants to leave the ghetto. Let me use my uncle for example (he's what got me into rap in the first place). Born and raised on the East side of Long Beach and still lives in the house that he was raised in. He loves rap soo much that he built his own studio in one of his unoccupied rooms as a hobby (some of which a lot of underground LBC rappers have probably recorded at for cheap), but he's smart enough to know that he needs education to survive comfortably. Today he's rockin a Masters in teaching (emphasis on math) via CSUDH and teaches full time at Cabrillo HS (one of the ghettoest schools in Long Beach)... but he loves it. If you've ever had a conversation with him on his off time, he'll talk to you the way he's been raised to talk to, "dog," "cuh," etc... but professionally, he carries himself very well. but then again, he's asian... we're raised differently.

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^^^well played

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I'm glad to see Pendulum to go and take their own path. They will no longer be regarded as the Prodigy wannabe's and cover band. This ensures them their own mark on music.
they have way better production than ALOT of artists that are "higher in the game" (in all genres)

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i hate all the new "rap" also..

there all flakes and i seriously hate it when hot bitchz like their songs.

i used to watch mtv in poland and they had some sweet **** in 00' . seems everything went to **** in the past 8 years

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here's the best music u'll ever lay an ear too http://www.myspace.com/rpgmusiccomposer

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Hmmm, it seems that a lot of people dont like Lil Wayne anymore because he is no "gangster" anymore. I just dont like his newer music because its crap(not all of it, but most).

Rap is rap. You CAN compare different styles of rap.


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I've never liked Lil' Wayne, I just don't like his music. Listened to him evolve over the years and it just never got any better for me.

Also making the most songs in one year doesn't mean you're the greatest. Eventually you run out of ideas and start producing the same stuff over and over. That's whats happened to Weezy lately and it just made it for worse for everyone that already didn't like him. I honestly hate when I turn on my radio and all I hear are songs featuring Lil' Wayne.

It's all a matter of opinion though, cause I know hardcore hip hop fans that lived through all the Tribe Called Quest, De La Soul, and Zulu Nation stuff. Then through all the California gangsta rap with NWA, Ice Cube and all them. Some love Lil' Wayne others hate him.

Also changing for the times isn't bad. Experimental albums can sometimes produce some of the best stuff we've ever heard but it can also prove disastrous. Graduation was one of Kanye's best albums but then 808's and Heartbreak is in my opinion a complete letdown. But then Common's Universal Mind Control is actually a pretty good album.

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It's hard to compare what's on the radio to what true hip-hop/rap really is. It's the underground that gives the genre life. Mainstream is what artists sell their lives to in order to achieve the $$$ they want, therefore they sell out, and do what has to be done in order to be known and sell CD's.

Can you blame them? Would you rather stay underground and make thousands of dollars, or be rich and famous and makes millions of dollars?

The problem isn't the artist, its the audience. Lil' Wayne is giving out crap and we're eating it up. Why would he work harder if he's already getting want he wants with what he's giving out. Don't attack Lil' Wayne and many popular artists for what they are giving you, it's what the majority of the people wanted and take.

If what you like isn't popular, then you're simply the remnants of a dying breed.

If what's on the radio isn't something that you don't like listening to, the grow a brain between your ears and turn off the instrument.

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I like Ludacris

and apple pie...

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infinitgkid wrote:I like Ludacris

and apple pie...
Both get my vote.

Luda's "word of mouf" was his best album IMO.

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Lock my damn thread........ its hard for me to get a point across since you guys dont listen and keep telling me that lil wayne is the best rapper alive, the best lyricist there ever was and most gangsta rapper there is. And thanks for giving me **** on me posting 666 mafia and gucci man as gangsta rap im sorry they have a "couple" wack *** songs that even i can agree on.

i guess i really cant be mad at lil wayne for the stuff he raps about. since he doesnt even write his own ****.he gets ghost writers to write it.. Gillie The kid, A. Correa, M. Rodriquez, S. Prescott, S. Carter,L.L. McCall, L. McCall, D. Thomas.

Dont even mention his his freestyles that he does, because there garbage with his cat in the hat mother goose nursery rhymes. I will say iv heard one freestyle of his that had some soul in it. but im not even sure if he came up with it or he memorized what someone else wrote for him.

If that aint enough proof wait a couple days my homie is going to look for the video of lil wayne admitting that he dont write his own stuff.
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Wow, you're pretty mad at the internet for having it's own opinion and it's against your opinion. I think I'll hide behind a couch while you dish out angry words that get astericked out for virgin eyeballs.


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What I'd like to know is what is up with this picture?



I don't have anything against gays, but if you are one, at least admit it and have a sense of pride for who you are. I respect gays who do that.

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krimsonviper wrote:

Wow, you're pretty mad at the internet for having it's own opinion and it's against your opinion. I think I'll hide behind a couch while you dish out angry words that get astericked out for virgin eyeballs.


i take my music serious.


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