scc s13 lays down 274 hp

Post by **Onizuka** » Fri Apr 25, 2003 5:30 pm

looks like you got some nice equipment in there too...

Post by **ZERO** » Fri Apr 25, 2003 5:30 pm

I also think some of the stuff there is overpriced. And some of it is not worth the money they said it cost them. However, I did some reading up on project silvia and their excuse is that they want to make this car "Porsche fast", not just a mustang beater, so I guess its justified...riiight...

Post by **pampadori** » Fri Apr 25, 2003 5:30 pm

they always spend too much money. about the cobra maf, jwt told me the cobra maf doesn't max out as early as the 300zx. but i don't have proof. i still haven't got the scc issue with this article, can someone post some info on the turbo...where they got it, what housings and wheel trims...etc? everybody seems to get the same cardridge and wheels for their bb turbos from garrett. the only difference i've seen is the hks turbine wheel design seems to be different from the garrett stuff. shaun

Post by **miteymax86** » Fri Apr 25, 2003 5:30 pm

GT28R 62trim compressor(.60A/R)76Trim turbine(.86A/R)They got it directly from Garret as the one that was actually on the "Disco Potato" was kind of a custom job, a "let's see how this works" deal, and it worked pretty darn good

Post by **Und3rprshUr** » Fri Apr 25, 2003 5:30 pm

hey j- spec explain how they got ripped on the nismo injectors??

you said : Nismo injectors $800 (they definatly got ripped there) how ?

Post by **I H8 UR DSM** » Fri Apr 25, 2003 5:30 pm

because thats too much money to spend on them.

Post by **Und3rprshUr** » Fri Apr 25, 2003 5:30 pm

hmmm how ? show me where you can get nismo 555cc injectors for cheaper please. then ill shut up.

Post by **I H8 UR DSM** » Fri Apr 25, 2003 5:30 pm

lol, i dont care if you shut, nor if 'you' can or can't find them cheaper than that....

But as a side point...why are Nismo 555cc better than Tomei or Apexi 550cc inj? any what justifies paying over $300 more for them?

Post by **pampadori** » Fri Apr 25, 2003 5:30 pm

I H8 UR DSM wrote:lol, i dont care if you shut, nor if 'you' can or can't find them cheaper than that....

But as a side point...why are Nismo 555cc better than Tomei or Apexi 550cc inj? any what justifies paying over $300 more for them?

or my $260 msd injectors.shaun

Post by **Und3rprshUr** » Fri Apr 25, 2003 5:30 pm

Never siad they were AS good as others. but they chose nismo for 800$ which isnt a bad price for nismo .. you tell me how muhc sard and apexi's are? yes plenty of injectors do there thing but they wanted nismo's.

You stated they got ripped for the nismo injectors.. when really you meant they could ahve bought injectors for cheaper to do the job. so i called you on what you said to make sure. and ask where and how did they get ripped. your only reply's are other injectors. which proves exactly what i assumed that you meant to say " they could have bought cheaper injectors to do the same job"

Post by **S13240** » Fri Apr 25, 2003 5:30 pm

I H8 UR DSM wrote:lol, i dont care if you shut, nor if 'you' can or can't find them cheaper than that....

But as a side point...why are Nismo 555cc better than Tomei or Apexi 550cc inj? any what justifies paying over $300 more for them?

What I H8 is saying here is true. I believe most of the injectors named are from Denso, and that's one company with different names on them only.

Post by **I H8 UR DSM** » Fri Apr 25, 2003 5:30 pm

Und3rprshUr wrote:Never siad they were AS good as others. but they chose nismo for 800$ which isnt a bad price for nismo .. you tell me how muhc sard and apexi's are? yes plenty of injectors do there thing but they wanted nismo's.

You stated they got ripped for the nismo injectors.. when really you meant they could ahve bought injectors for cheaper to do the job. so i called you on what you said to make sure. and ask where and how did they get ripped. your only reply's are other injectors. which proves exactly what i assumed that you meant to say " they could have bought cheaper injectors to do the same job"

Well for one "I" (to qoute you, "YOU") never said anything about injectors, you were refering to jspec i believe.....I was just giving you some reference....But not many people would sell nismo 555s for 800.....NOw for you to say "so i called you on what you said...." blah blah, No, you never called ME on anything, i think you have to reread all your posts.....again, ill tell you mine...."those are retail prices"....."because they paid to much".....There are not many people who pay the list price for parts, if anyone, thats MY point, unless you want to show me where i said otherwise....thanks.

Post by **Nils** » Fri Apr 25, 2003 5:30 pm

miteymax86 wrote:the turbo isn't really a max boost/hp turbo, it's a broad accessible powerband turbo, delivering power smoothly and linearly, although the fact that you can get 20psi out of it is a bonus but the #'s they got were at 15psi, with basically, SR, intake, exhaust, intercooler, Cobra mass airflow sensor, and JWT ecu program, that's not really much work, it's just a lot of parts, and they've gained 119hp@the wheels over the stock SR with the stock exhaust, I don't see how this is crap. Yeah, you can get a bigger turbo, but you'll need injector upgrades, fuel pump, rail etc... and you really don't have the ridiculously tractable power this turbo does, you've really got to see the dyno map, there's no spike, it just pulls in almost a straight line from 2K-5500rpm the turbo money went into the tech of the turbo, not the ultimate flow capability

I agree.

n

Post by **Nils** » Fri Apr 25, 2003 5:30 pm

Und3rprshUr wrote:You can edit any dyno reading. press a couple buttons on the dyno cpu and wam! anyhting can happen.

Stop talking about shiz you dont know anything about.

Josh and the rest of the guys at SCC has a in house dyno.. it is a Dynojet... pretty hard to manipulate.

You are talking about a MUstang dyno machine, which is easier to manipulate.

I have met with the guys at SCC many times and they are not the kind of guys that would manipulate a dyno number.... they are too interested in the real number and how to fix the car to better that number in the first place.

It isnt about TOP HP here, lots of engines cars could do better than the sr20det.. it about what miteymax86 was trying to tell you guys: reliable power, big power band, response... etc...

n

Post by **Onizuka** » Fri Apr 25, 2003 5:30 pm

Und3rprshUr wrote:hey j- spec explain how they got ripped on the nismo injectors??

you said : Nismo injectors $800 (they definatly got ripped there) how ?

http://www.srswap.com/shopexd.asp?id=412

Bam! nismo 740cc injectors, $589..... What size did they get? like 550cc? and how much did they pay???? like i said, they got ripped, or chose to get ripped...

Post by **I H8 UR DSM** » Fri Apr 25, 2003 5:30 pm

honesty...its better than them saying they did the whole swap for 2000$, cause we know what happened last time : D

Post by **miteymax86** » Fri Apr 25, 2003 5:30 pm

Indeed

Website · Post by **the_invisible** » Fri Apr 25, 2003 5:30 pm

J-Spec Tuner wrote:http://www.srswap.com/shopexd.asp?id=412

Bam! nismo 740cc injectors, $589..... What size did they get? like 550cc? and how much did they pay???? like i said, they got ripped, or chose to get ripped...

Yes, you can get Nismo injectors for $589 from HT or maybe about $650 from some other online retailers. $800 is the MSRP for the Nismo injectors. Let say SCC purchased the injectors for $600 from an online store and they reported their purchase price to be $600, it would be extremely unfair for other local or online retailers who are selling the injectors for $650. Do you know what I mean? It is best for both the retailers and consumers to have the editors report the MSRP on their publications rather than the lowest prices available. SCC isn't advertising for any store, so they are reporting the MSRP of the products they accquired.

In the case of the engine swap where SCC claimed to have purchased the engine for $1200, they were advertising for Venus Auto, so they were allowed to report their purchase price in their article.

I really doubt SCC paid $800 for those injectors, if they even paid at all, because they have lots of hookups and they are not stupid.

Post by **Phax** » Fri Apr 25, 2003 5:30 pm

the_invisible wrote:Yes, you can get Nismo injectors for $589 from HT or maybe about $650 from some other online retailers. $800 is the MSRP for the Nismo injectors. Let say SCC purchased the injectors for $600 from an online store and they reported their purchase price to be $600, it would be extremely unfair for other local or online retailers who are selling the injectors for $650. Do you know what I mean? It is best for both the retailers and consumers to have the editors report the MSRP on their publications rather than the lowest prices available. SCC isn't advertising for any store, so they are reporting the MSRP of the products they accquired.

In the case of the engine swap where SCC claimed to have purchased the engine for $1200, they were advertising for Venus Auto, so they were allowed to report their purchase price in their article.

I really doubt SCC paid $800 for those injectors, if they even paid at all, because they have lots of hookups and they are not stupid.

To reiterate, just because you see a price listed... that doesn't mean it's what was paid. In the case of SCC (or any magazine for that matter), a lot of their yearly revenue comes from advertisements. To be fair to all parties involved in bringing parts to market, I think it's safe to assume that they'll nearly always quote retail prices in print.

Post by **Onizuka** » Fri Apr 25, 2003 5:30 pm

you prove a very good point, they probably did get them for close to nothing, but some other dude was saying that 800 was the store price for nismo injectors, which it isnt.

Post by **sr20meplease** » Fri Apr 25, 2003 5:30 pm

did they say where they got the injectors from? maybe they got them from nismo? anyone know how much they are from nismo themselves?

Post by **CrabSpirits** » Fri Apr 25, 2003 5:30 pm

If the potato is such a piece of crap, then I would like to know why. I don't exactly trust the word of the SCC guys, but I trust internet hearsay even less. If the GT25R is supposedly better, than why are a bunch of engineers and other industry noteables going ga-ga over this turbo? It's leads me to believe that this turbo has more going on than what the specs tell you. $1800 or not, I will be getting one of these two turbos soon, and I want to know which one is better and exactly why.

Post by **Tai Mai Shu** » Fri Apr 25, 2003 5:30 pm

DISCO POTATO!!!! AHAHAHAHA but seriously there are better turbo's for the money like you said the GT25R rated at 44lbs a minute...think about how that comes out...on gas milage

oh well its worth it.

Post by **Dori Dori** » Fri Apr 25, 2003 5:30 pm

Specs for GT turbos including the GT28 (disco potato)... http://www.turbofast.com.au/GTseries.html

Post by **60dash1** » Fri Apr 25, 2003 5:30 pm

I would just like to say compressor maps are for the most part bull****.This is straight from the mouth of a garrett engineer.If you spent millions of dollars on r & d for your wheels, would you want everyone to know exactly what does what?They are a vague indicator, and that's it.

Post by **CrabSpirits** » Fri Apr 25, 2003 5:30 pm

60dash1 wrote:I would just like to say compressor maps are for the most part bull****.This is straight from the mouth of a garrett engineer.If you spent millions of dollars on r & d for your wheels, would you want everyone to know exactly what does what?They are a vague indicator, and that's it.

That's the way I feel as well. After trying to learn turbo tech, I realized that there are so many other variables between a hot turbo and one that sucks other than printed physical dimensions. I'm sticking to the "find somebody who has one that works well and copy it" method. Such is the case here.

Post by **Dori Dori** » Fri Apr 25, 2003 5:30 pm

Did you follow the link? I didn't post maps, I posted specs for people with turbo knowledge to observe and make their own theories as to which is the 'better' turbo for teir needs.

But anyway, compressor maps are not bs. They simply show the efficiency range of a turbo which is very important information to know especially when we are talking about a company that deals mainly in OEM. Do you really think a company like (hypothetical) dodge is going to buy tens of thousands of turbos without knowing their characteristics? Of course not.

There are no secrets, lol. Anyone could buy one of those turbos and take it apart and learn everything they wanted to off of them.

Post by **60dash1** » Fri Apr 25, 2003 5:30 pm

So apparently you know more than the guy who designed the t04e family of turbos.I'm sure when a manufacturer decides to use a turbo they anre not just picking from the range of BS compressor maps you and I have access to.I understand what compressor maps are for, thanks though, believe it or not, it's a FACT that they are bs.

Post by **Dori Dori** » Fri Apr 25, 2003 5:30 pm

Have your engineer friend come here and explain his comments. I'd love to hear them. Oh, and AFAIK manufacturers do get the same exact compressor maps and spec sheets you and I do. At least that's what IHI does...I've seen the Subaru compressor maps provided by IHI and I've seen the publically available ones...they are the same. Why do you think otherwise?

I'm still trying to figure out what secrets are being given away by a compressor map on a publicly available turbo.

It just doesn't make any sense.

Post by **60dash1** » Fri Apr 25, 2003 5:30 pm

I should have clarified, i'm talking the t04e family.What I said IS STRAIGHT FROM THE GUYS MOUTH WHO DESIGNED THEM.Whether or not you believe it is of little importance.If what you are saying is true the 60-1 would be a horrible turbo to use on a honda due to the fact that they flow more air at low pressure ratios according to the compressor maps, exactly what 4 cylinders DON'T like.Yet the 60-1 seema to own every other t3/t04e setup bolted on a honda, with the exception of precisions new line which are based of the gt series.It's also pretty funny that there are many different maps available for the same wheels, in the same config.Explain that one.

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