Religious Terrorism in the US

[Cold_Zero]

RiceRocketGal,You also need to ask Howie (Telco) what the logical conclusion to Eugenics would be in a society and who pioneered it as a country. We do have a prime example in recent history that is the epitome of eugenics brought to its logical conclusion.

I find that relationship the most damning when talking about Frau Margaret Sanger.

[Kohster]

The American baby code sounds like a good idea actually. There are tests that determine that you are fit to be a driver, but there aren't any that determine if you are fit to be a parent? Ludicrous.

[telcoman]

RRG, you just made my Christmas card list.

Lori

I'd be concerned about Greg's list

Next thing you know he might offer to hand deliver that card with the weather channel predicting a blizzard.

I have to wonder what Greg has on his mind?

Telcoman

[AZhitman]

Lori

I'd be concerned about Greg's list

Next thing you know he might offer to hand deliver that card with the weather channel predicting a blizzard.

I have to wonder what Greg has on his mind?

Telcoman

I'd be more concerned with whatever psychotropic medication is causing Howie to ramble incomprehensibly...

Deflection, sidestepping, and evasion - He's got 'em in spades.

How about going back and responding to your critics - They've made brilliant points.

NOTE: My posts may or may not reflect my own personal views. I can knock one outta the park from both sides of the plate.

[audtatious]

The American baby code sounds like a good idea actually. There are tests that determine that you are fit to be a driver, but there aren't any that determine if you are fit to be a parent? Ludicrous.

What is your solution? Forced abortions by Gov mandate? Some form of anti-sex device until you can take a test and get a Gov license to have sex? Forced sterilization of all females until the gov says they can have their tubes reattached for a child based on a purchased license?

[bigbadberry3]

Actually.. it is more predominant than portrayed in the media. See.. the media only reports it when it is done by an attractive young woman... so they can use it to sell sex. Most often it is committed by male teachers to female students.. and is far more common than most parents care to think. When i was in high school... in a small school with a graduating class of roughly 30 to 40 kids per year... there were at any given time no fewer than three teachers involved in sexually inappropriate conduct / relationships with students. Two were men in their 30s. One was a woman in her 40s. Everyone knew it. No one cared. One of the men married a student the day after graduation... because she was pregnant.

The notion that those on the news are the only ones is as preposterous as the notion that the transsexuals on Maury are the only ones.

I will agree that inappropriate relationships do go unreported by the media more frequently than not but your school is not a fair ratio of student/teacher inappropriate ratio by any means. There is no epidemic of student/teacher relationships. Schools presently act on any report of inappropriate behavior and conduct immediately in the modern day of lawsuits and do not hesitate to fire. Contrasting your high school, I had a graduating class of nearly 1400 students and during my four high school years, our school fired the president of the teacher's union, who was tenured and also wrote my letters of recommendation, over a remark about a girl's shirt being too low cut.

I am also not completely buying your argument that males are predominantly acting more inappropriately. Females make up the majority of public school teachers. Female sports are being coached by females and male sports by male coaches in order to avoid situations like this.

[telcoman]

Um Duh! Those opposed to abortion ARE working to reduce abortions... to ZERO! Hello! We are also working to reduce teen pregnancy! I have been working with troubled teens for 15 years... sex education... molestation survivors in group therapy... teen sex offender therapy... WHY do you assume none of us are doing anything but talking? LIBERALS are the talkers, hun... conservatives ACT. That would be why the incident of teen pregnancy is much higher in predominantly dem neighborhoods than in conservative neighborhoods.

Perhaps you are the exception to most conservatives

First all

Abortion is an even bigger problem in other countries were it is outlawed.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/06...1&hpw

Most are not. For the ones who are... It's not the education most of them are opposed to. It is the Schools. Public school officials can't keep their teachers from banging the students... do you really think they should be charged with sex education? They don't believe sex-ed should come with a hands-on training course and be taught by people who can't keep their own hands off the kids private parts. That is not to say all teachers do it... but there are enough that do.. that this is a valid concern.

[/QUOTE]

True there are some teachers molesting students but also many more members of the clergy not only molesting children but closet ****sexuals as well.

Most are not. I am not but I believe those who are believe that giving a child birth control is giving them a license to have premarital sex without consequence. Remove consequences from actions... and the actions become the accepted norm just as premarital sex was once considered taboo but now is the accepted norm.

Well educated and informed teenagers will generally make informed decisions. Most parents would rather have their children on birth control than having to deal with teen pregnancy.

Strawman ALERT! This isn't about the average abortion. This is about LATE TERM abortions. Those pose FAR GREATER HEALTH RISK to women than childbirth ever did. In a late term abortion a breech birth is FORCED. They pull the baby out FEET FIRST. In order to do this they must adjust the position of the baby.. a live.. kicking... moving baby... inside the mother's womb and then grab it's legs and pull it all of it out except the head... while it is again still alive.

I'm assuming for a moment that the 60k abortions Dr Keller is alledged to have performed is a correct number.

If one were to pick ten woman out of those 60k and find out the reason they chose such a late term abortion, I think the stories of why would be quite interesting?

Soooo you use the DK because you wanted to reference Bill freaking O? Um.. do you think that makes you look BETTER or somehow makes your argument stronger? Bill O and the DK go back and forth because they are both more suited for Jerry Springer than anything that could be considered real news. If either of them are a source of info for YOU... you are just as screwed up as they are.

Many of the posters on the site are quite knowledgable.

Many on the right hate the NY Times and NBC because of so many instances of uncovering government wrongdoing.

I have some questions for YOU.

Are you for or against aborting healthy babies in the 9th month of gestation where the mother's life is not in danger?

No but if the woman, the baby's father and the OBGYN had a legitimate reason for it I would not oppose that decision.

What have YOU done to address the issue of teen pregnancy other than read liberal rags and post inaccurate info on the internet?

Nothing but what have I posted that was inaccurate?

Are you aware that the overwhelming majority of abortions are performed not on teenagers... but on white women between the ages of 20 and 24 (college age) who are perfectly able to use BC if they want to?

Citation and source please.

Why are people who are pro-abortion so dead set against any regulatory measure that would require a woman to MAKE UP HER DAMN MIND about whether or not she wants the baby BEFORE the baby becomes able to live independent of the mother?

I don't expect answers. I expect more lumping all of us into the same group with the abortion clinic protesters and parroting of the same crap you have been saying all along with absolutely no acknowledgment that those things have been addressed.

Surprise me.

The answer to that question is in the decison Roe vs Wade

Dr Keller was following the law.

I hope I have surprised you

Telcoman

[Kohster]

What is your solution? Forced abortions by Gov mandate? Some form of anti-sex device until you can take a test and get a Gov license to have sex? Forced sterilization of all females until the gov says they can have their tubes reattached for a child based on a purchased license?

Where the hell did you get these ideas from?

[telcoman]

Where the hell did you get these ideas from?

Some live in parts of the US known a wingnutistan

[telcoman]

Can someone please find me some statistics that show just how many late term abortions that Tiller performed per year?

Finding stats like late term abortions performed in the US per year are really hard to find.

http://www.abortionno.org/Resources/fastfacts.html

Telcoman

[AZhitman]

In Howard's narrow worldview, those who follow a moral code and look out for those unable to speak for themselves are known as "wingnuts".

However, he's neither a psychiatrist or an especially accomplished reader, so you can make your own inferences from there.

[nissangirl74]

Citation and source please.

The information you requested.... (did you think she was making it up?)

Women between the ages of 15 and 19 account for about 19% of all abortions; women 20 to 24 account for another 33%; and about 25% of abortions are obtained by women who are 30 or older.4 Calculating abortion rates, older teenagers and young adults have the highest abortion rates, while women younger than 15 and older than 35 have the lowest.

http://www.prochoice.org/about....html

[ishkabibble]

My opinion is not asked by you nor a few others, it's simply assumed. How wrong you are....

Oh, no, my opinion of you is that you are a caller of BS on both sides. 90% on one side, 10% on the other.

I don't ask your opinion any more since your response is usually a troll. *shrug*

[ishkabibble]

Let's not go there.

The statistical likelihood of pregnancy by rape is so infinitessimally small, yet trumpeted by so many pro-choice activists, it's criminal.

Back on topic.

Greg, since you failed to provide a statistic, I'll provide one:

"The Gottschalls focused on 405 women who had suffered a single incidence of penile-vaginal rape at some point between the ages of 12 and 45. Of these, 6.4 per cent became pregnant."

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_...1.php

6.4% is infinitesimally small?

[audtatious]

Where the hell did you get these ideas from?

You seemed to support the American baby code which is pretty much a set of limiting rules as thus:

Article 1. The purpose of the American Baby Code should be to provide for a better distribution of babies. to assist couples who wish to prevent overproduction of offspring and thus to reduce the burden of charity and taxation for public relief and to protect society against the propagation and increase of the unfit.

Article 2. Birth control clinics shall be permitted to function as services of government health departments or under the support of charity, or as nonprofit, self-sustaining agencies subject to inspection and control by public authorities.

Article 3. A marriage license shall in itself give husband and wife only the right to a common household and not the right to parenthood.

Article 4. No woman shall have the legal right to bear a child, no man shall have the right to become a father, without a permit for parenthood.

Article 5. Permits for parenthood shall be issued by government authorities to married couples upon application, providing the parents are financially able to support the expected child, have the qualifications needed for proper rearing of the child, have no transmissible diseases, and on the woman's part no indication that maternity is likely to result in death or permanent injury to health.

Article 6. No permit for parenthood shall be valid for more than one birth.

Article 7. Every county shall be assisted administratively by the state in the effort to maintain a direct ratio between the county birth rate and its index of child welfare. When the county records show an unfavorable variation from this ratio the county shall be taxed by the State.... The revenues thus obtained shall be expended by the State within the given county in giving financial support to birth control....

Article 8. Feeble-minded persons, habitual congenital criminals, those afflicted with inheritable diseases, and others found biologically unfit should be sterilized or in cases of doubt should be isolated as to prevent the perpetuation of their afflictions by breeding.

.....The above was per Sangers article in the American Weekly Magazine.....

So, if you support the American Baby Code, how would you implement it?

EDIT: As an FYI, I'm not anti-abortion, just anti-abortion-forthesakeofbirthcontrol. I'd also love to keep young people from spitting out kids when they have no real means of supporting them nor understand what it takes to raise them. BUT, I'm not for tossing the Constitution which would allow such to ever be implemented in the US

[audtatious]

Oh, no, my opinion of you is that you are a caller of BS on both sides. 90% on one side, 10% on the other.

I don't ask your opinion any more since your response is usually a troll. *shrug*

Then why are we having this conversation?

[audtatious]

Greg, since you failed to provide a statistic, I'll provide one:

"The Gottschalls focused on 405 women who had suffered a single incidence of penile-vaginal rape at some point between the ages of 12 and 45. Of these, 6.4 per cent became pregnant."

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_...1.php

6.4% is infinitesimally small?

Agree to disagree?

http://www.christianliferesour...d=461

[ishkabibble]

While their logic is somewhat sound, it is theoretical rather than experiential a figure based on a figure based on a a figure many times over. The study I mentioned used a decent sample size, but their selection criteria is weak.

The real number is probably somewhere in between.

[audtatious]

Could be. Both sides play with the numbers and some groups want to present the perception that the percentage is much higher than even your 6.4% number.

[AZhitman]

Greg, since you failed to provide a statistic, I'll provide one:

"The Gottschalls focused on 405 women who had suffered a single incidence of penile-vaginal rape at some point between the ages of 12 and 45. Of these, 6.4 per cent became pregnant."

http://www.eurekalert.org/pub_...1.php

6.4% is infinitesimally small?

Yes, 6.4% IS small. It's 24 women. 24 women, out of a poorly-selected and poorly-controlled-for sample group. 24 women who SELF-REPORTED, which says something about the results. Twenty-four women, who we can't be certain didn't have consensual sex around the time of the rape.

It's a small number. Small enough to NOT dictate public policy.

p.s. That study didn't use a "decent" sample size. Since you're so fond of calling people out on their statistics, how about you tell me how you think that's a "decent" sample size. HINT: If "environment" is total rapes, and 604 is our sample, guess what?

[ishkabibble]

That study didn't use a "decent" sample size. Since you're so fond of calling people out on their statistics, how about you tell me how you think that's a "decent" sample size. HINT: If "environment" is total rapes, and 604 is our sample, guess what?

Guess what? 400 is a decent sample size for any sized population. It provides accuracy of +- 5%.

Swing and a miss from the self-proclaimed DH.

[Kohster]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/E...nancy

A longitudinal study in the United States of over 4000 women followed for 3years found that the national rape related pregnancy rate was 5.0% per rape among victims aged 12–45 years, producing over 32 000 pregnancies nationally among women from rape each year.[6]

32,000 rape pregnancies a year is not "infinitessimally small"

[Kohster]

Swing and a miss from the self-proclaimed DH.

whats a dh?

[Urabus GodofTraction]

Guess what? 400 is a decent sample size for any sized population. It provides accuracy of +- 5%.

Swing and a miss from the self-proclaimed DH.

No, 400 isn't.

Not when compared to the total number of women raped in the US every year.

I wouldn't expect accurate election predictions from a 400 person sample size...

[Kohster]

lmao charleo