Reality TV has GONE TO FAR!!!

[TrueSlide]

I saw this advertisement for a new reality show called Boy meets boy, I was like WTF. A reality TV show about gay men meeting and dating other gay men. Who the hell wants to see that?!?! Reality TV has gone wayy too far now. Sure all them other reality TVs were already went too far, but that takes the cake.

[[Zero-S]]

WTF. I see fire and brimstone shooting down soon.

[fiznat]

hahah that's the point. each new show takes the cake from the previous one (which had previously taken the cake from a even more previous show, of course).

I saw a commercial today for a new reality show that involved handicapped people. hahaha the rapture is on it's way for sure! hahahahhaa

PS it's not cool to hate on homosexuals, btw.

[AZhitman]

It's not cool to "hate" on anyone. However, truth is truth, there are not "varying degrees" of it, it is not "different for different people", and I, for one, am with TS here. Fire and brimstone indeed.

I don't give a rat's a$$ what you do with your genitalia. But it should be a private matter, I'm not interested in hearing about it, and I'm damn pissed that I have to explain to my 4 and 6 year-olds about "alternative lifestyles" at their ages.

Screw reality TV. Quit watching it and maybe they'll take that crap off the air. All of it.

Whatever happened to self-respect?

[fiznat]

oh goody.

It's really easy for people to say "oh right, I have no issue with WHAT you do with yourself, I just dont want to hear about it." It's a nice balance between tolerance and intolerance --- but like what you said yourself AZ, there arent varying degrees. Either you are willing to let people do what they want, or you arent. An effort to "block out" (not hear about?) alternative lifestyles is as blatant an act of intolerance as "seperate but equal" was to African Americans.

Is it equally acceptable to hear from a self-proclaimed racist that "he doesnt mind people being black, he just doesnt want to see or hear about them?" AZ, your kids are growing up in a world that will hopefully "not give a rat's a$$" in earnest: and it isnt through ignoring their presence that alternative lifestyles will become part of that future.

And fire and brimstone? Please. God made homosexuals, he loves them as much as he loves you.

[MainEvent212]

hmm...i donno if black and gay is comparing apples to apples...

but never-the-less...i dont care either way, but if i see two guys making out, i will not enjoy it

[coloradoracerboi]

Here is how I am trying to look at it from a somewhat neautral stand point.... We all go to the mall, or go somewhere public and see hetrosexual couples making out, now if what you do is your biz, than it should stay in the bed room! But its hypocritical to say "well to guys shouldn't make out in public" as I am sure you have made out with your girl or boy friend at some point, wethere its the movies and the lights are off at at the mall with the lights on. But I belive it is just to see the ratings SKY ROCKET if they do air the show!

[fiznat]

We all go to the mall, or go somewhere public and see hetrosexual couples making out, now if what you do is your biz, than it should stay in the bed room! But its hypocritical to say "well to guys shouldn't make out in public" as I am sure you have made out with your girl or boy friend at some point, wethere its the movies and the lights are off at at the mall with the lights on.

EXACTLY. There wasnt any post 5 months ago when Joe Millionaire got his swerve on in the woods behind his mansion. There were PLENTY of slurping sounds and captions to boot. If you dont wanna hear about sex at all, that's one thing I guess... but you're taking a step in a different direction if you decide that one is okay and not the other.

[coloradoracerboi]

and wow did he ever get those ratings high

[fiznat]

hhahaha and yeah did you see the playboy special on that chick after the show ended? pure TV gold, and she wasnt even THAT hot.

[AZhitman]

Trust me Fiz, I don't "ignore their presence" - I just don't like certain issues being forced into my home. You say, "either you're willing to let people do what they want, or you aren't", but understand that it's not up to me to decide what people do in their private lives. I firmly believe it's wrong - however, that's not "PC" anymore, and the fact that one can no longer express their opinion about something they disagree with without being labeled as a "hatemonger" is deeply, deeply disturbing.

I love all my fellow man. I have a few friends who are gay (my best friend is a lesbian). And I'd defend them to the end. However, I do not have to condone their behavior, or even agree with it. And I do not have to remain quiet about it. I will not stand by and let someone abuse another person for their beliefs or their lifestyle, but I will also not allow them to give my children the mistaken impression that what they are doing is right.

"Tolerance" has a nice ring to it. Too bad that unchecked "tolerance" will eventually be the downfall of a civilized world.

BTW, being Black (capital B) is not a choice, so that line of reasoning has to go.

I hope this thread stays civil.

[AZhitman]

I guess if it helps, I'm not too hip on Joe Millionaire's ridiculous dalliances on prime-time either. Or the whole "mackin' at the mall" thing.

I'm not some old-fashioned prudish wierdo, I just know that if I see something on TV that shocks me, I know it's not something I want my kids exposed to. There will be time for that when they're older.

You haven't felt heartache until your very intelligent 6-year-old son asks you what a "blow-job" is.

[yashin]

hey, people are allowed to do whatever they want each other in public, as long as it is not considered a lewd act, a "normal" couple kissing in public wouldn't raise many heads, but if gay people do it, you say they should do it at home??

they have the same guaranteed rights as anybody else, you don't have to like it (and trust me i don't), you just have to respect the fact that they are allowed to do it

and btw reality tv has done much much worse in my opinion, you wouldn't consider randomly marrying two people worse? i seriously don't know which, bottom feeding, knuckle dragging, tv zombies actually watch these programs, there is absolutely no redeeming value in any of these shows, they have no message, offer no insight, and offer nothing to the viewing public but absolute mind-numbing tv, in small doses this may be fine, but in large amounts, you're askin for trouble

[fiznat]

AZ:

Okay, I'll stay away from the catch phrases, the last thing I want is have my points shrugged off as nothing more than PC propaganda.

I think it would be simplist to just ask you: what is it about homosexual behavior that you find offensive? You pretty much say straight out that you beleive it "isnt right." Under what grounds have you made this decision?

I dont mean to come off sarcastic, I really dont. I honestly dont understand what it is, and by what standard that makes this behavior "wrong." Explain that first, and we can go from there.

It, and I, will remain civil. I'm always up for a friendly argument

EDIT: and yeah I saw that... the whole "is homosexuality a choice or not" is another huge argument... I'll just stick to this for now..

[fiznat]

You haven't felt heartache until your very intelligent 6-year-old son asks you what a "blow-job" is.

haha I can see that, sorta haha. My parents were VERY open with me when I was growing up. If I asked, I got an answer right away, hardly any BS. I'm not going to speculate on parenting styles and all that but hey: I knew a hell of a lot of stuff I probably shouldnt know about when I was very young, and I turned out fine.

I can understand the need to protect your kids, I have 2 nephews that are both getting closer to 3 years old. It's tough to expose them to that kinda stuff, but here's proof that it's not exactly a disaster if they find out, either.

[Nathan]

I'm going to stay out of this one...I feel way too strongly on the subject (Want to know how I feel? I'll say no more than I hate being politically correct and having to restrain myself for fear of hurting some homosexual feelings then getting yelled at by someone for not keeping my attitudes to myself).

[AZhitman]

I don't take you as sarcastic Fiz. I appreciate your civility and your apparent openness to hear from "the other side".

My thoughts on the matter come from the authority and rules I *try* to live my life by, which come from the Bible. Notice I said 'try' - I'm as flawed as the next person...

Consider the fact that a recent poll reports 86% of Americans believe in God. Hopefully, those 86% are aware of this brilliant text, which has more archaeological, historical and and scientific proof than any other written document known to man. It's pretty clear on the topic, and as we established earlier, there aren't varying degrees of truth. It's pretty cut-and-dried.

By your logic and reasoning, no behavior is inherently "wrong". We could expand the net to cover adultery. How about we add bestiality? Throw in some child molestation for good measure...

I ask you now, your own VERY GOOD question: By what standard are those behaviors wrong? Under what grounds do you (hopefully) make that decision? Therein lies your answer, consider it carefully.

[fiznat]

I'm going to stay out of this one...I feel way too strongly on the subject (Want to know how I feel? I'll say no more than I hate being politically correct and having to restrain myself for fear of hurting some homosexual feelings then getting yelled at by someone for not keeping my attitudes to myself).

No reason you should stay out as long as you can remain civil. It's actually BETTER if you feel strongly: just formulate those feelings into a legit argument and go for it!

[AZhitman]

I knew a hell of a lot of stuff I probably shouldnt know about when I was very young, and I turned out fine.

I have no doubts that you're a fine, upstanding citizen and a good person. I've gathered that you care about other people and you make the best decisions you can based upon the knowledge you have. I respect your maturity and your judgement in most instances.

However, the damage done is immeasureable. I'm not saying there's anything wrong with you as a result of this type of upbringing, but my heart grieves for the loss of innocence you must have experienced, and the unseen wounds that may surface later in your life....

[Nathan]

I can stay civil Fiznat...but I like NICO and wouldn't want to offend anyone on here or really get into an argument...it's just best that I stay out of this one I think

[TrueSlide]

Yes, Iam not 'hating' on anyone, but with that show, its like they are making a attempt to force this lifestyle in our homes, with all the current 'alternate lifestyles' shows, reality whatever. I worked with a gay guy and his bf came in all the time, nice people. It is quite sad how all these different things(lifestyles, opinions, politics, drugs, etc. etc.) is being 'forced' upon the little ones of the world. Iam not saying they should not be aware of the world and how it works, but exposing soem children to this type of thing at a very earlier age can be devasting, but then, that is where the parents must also step in(but they cannot always be held responsible). But anyways back to the subject.

I do think all reality TV shows are stupid, retarted and show the standards and type of people many many americans are(people that are to lazy to live thier own life, so they watch someone elses). I just think the show is wrong and is basically encouraging that type of lifestyle, which Iam sure some people would not appreciate.

BTW, I have to disagree, God did not make homosexuals, no one is born gay.

[fiznat]

I dont claim to be any sort of biblical expert, but I'll try to explain from what I've put together myself. My experiences with the church (and the bible) are very limited though, so please excuse me if you think I'm really off track.

My understanding of Jesus' teachings can be explained with an overreaching concept of universal love. I cant count how many times I read about one person or another making a huge mistake and having those sins forgiven through the example of divine love. This is how I understand "Love thy neighbor:" as the commandment defined by the examples of God's infinite forgiveness.

On this level (that is: on the level of theological morality), I dont think it is our place at all to judge right and wrong according to God's will. If homosexuality is indeed wrong (and I dont see how it can be), that is a judgment that should be handed down by God alone. I think it is very clear in the bible that the only thing we should really be doing down here is trying to understand that concept of divine love. Judgments, right and wrong, all that-- they get in the way of what I think was Jesus' true message.

Human morality is a different thing though... we CAN argue about that haha

I could type forever... g'head and get a word in.

[fiznat]

Yes, Iam not 'hating' on anyone, but with that show, its like they are making a attempt to force this lifestyle in our homes...

They're not trying to force homosexuality into our homes. That's just stupid. FOX doesnt give a damn who you have sex with, unless they can make money by it. What they are doing is creating a show that has a sense of moral tension, its an exploitation of social controversy, designed to provoke disussion, interest, and in the end- ratings and money.

[TrueSlide]

I dont think it is FOX doing the airing. And yes its like a attempt of forcing homosexuality in our homes. Once someone sees it(in their home) People start talking(homes/work/etc.) and if kids see commericals/the show, they start asking questions.

I can see it now.

'Daddy, whats being gay?' 'Why is that guy kissing that other guy' 'Why is that guy rubbing his hands on that guy?'

[fiznat]

Do you have any evidence AT ALL for this supposed "devasting" effect on our children?

[coloradoracerboi]

they aren't forcing you to change the channel to Fox and than be bothered by it.Besides that, your children by the 10th grade will probally have some or at least gay friend/friends

[TrueSlide]

No, they are not forcing you to change the channel and watch the show, but when they broadcast a commerical during a show that has nothing to do with it. I saw the advertisement when my girl was watching a show about home, while you away or something like that. What does a gay joe millionarie show have to do with homes? And not all children are in 10th grade, maybe 2nd grader tommy will understand that its perfectly okay for your love mate to be a guy. :rolleyes

And to answer your question fiz, honestly I dont know, but Iam sure on some kids it would. Kids react differently to different things in different ways, Iam no psychologist, so I really could not give you a accurate answer.

[fiznat]

And to answer your question fiz, honestly I dont know, but Iam sure on some kids it would. Kids react differently to different things in different ways, Iam no psychologist, so I really could not give you a accurate answer.

That's exactly my point though. Your assumption that these shows (and public homosexuality in general) are somewhow bad for our kids (at least on a moral level) is without any real grounding.

Why do you say that, then-- if it's true that you really dont know what the effects are?

AZ said something similar about me, too- how "my early loss of innocence" might have set some deep-rooted problems within me that could surface later... Do you have any evidence for this type of thing happening, AZ?

Saying you dont like something is one thing, but claiming some sort of cause and effect without having any factual evidence to back it up isnt very cool.

That said, I think I'm gonna head to bed now... 2:00 am and I've got work in the mornin'. I'll be back tomorrow to have at you fools though, dont think I'm done with all of ya! haha good talkin with you guys tonight for sure...

[AZhitman]

My earlier point got lost in the shuffle.

By your logic and reasoning, no behavior is inherently "wrong". We could expand the net to cover adultery. How about we add bestiality? Throw in some child molestation for good measure...

I ask you now, your own VERY GOOD question: By what standard are those behaviors wrong? Under what grounds do you (hopefully) make that decision? Therein lies your answer, consider it carefully.

BTW, I don't have to provide evidence that something is "harmful" to know that it's inappropriate for consumption by children.

[TrueSlide]

BTW, I don't have to provide evidence that something is "harmful" to know that it's inappropriate for consumption by children.

:Werd, that is basically what I was also aiming for, just couldnt think of a way to say it.