As far as the other countries who "hate" us and have "problems with our political and social views", well.... Please.
That's why 50 people a week die in the desert 100 miles south of me, just for the chance to come to the US. I'll bet that 80% of the world's population, if asked "Where would you have liked to have been born?" would say America. (If they didn't fear for their life for responding.)
Conceited? How about strong and confident.
Reality TV has GONE TO FAR!!!
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AZhitman wrote:Jesse - I respect your viewpoint, but you're wrong. I like you enough to spend some time discussing it, I have no problem with saying that, and I'll tell you why:
Where do we get our concept of what is "right" and what is "wrong"? From the Commandments. It's indisputable. You said yourself that certain behaviors are inherently wrong - But you haven't considered WHY they are or who says they are.
The Bible is THE most archaeologically, historically, and scientifically supported text in existence. Period. That is also indisputable. So whether you choose to believe what is contained therein is certainly your choice, but you can't dispute it's accuracy (well, you can, but it's like saying the world is flat).
You've referred to anyone who references the bible as "sheep". I suppose that's why you are a law-abiding citizen? You follow these rules every day. You'd readily admit that there is a "universal law of right/wrong", yet won't acknowledge its source. You, my friend, are speaking out of both sides of your mouth...
As far as children "learning" (or being "told") right from wrong, well, no kidding. A child has to be taught that smacking another child and taking his cookie is wrong, too. Where's the problem? We are born without that knowledge - We have to get it from somewhere.
BTW - I'm not a big fan of organized religion, for the very reasons Seth mentioned.
Also, consider this. If I'm wrong, the WORST that can happen is I've wasted a little time here on Earth trying to be a better person, and sharing with others about that journey. If you're wrong, the consequences are severe and eternal.
The commandments? Maybe thats 'your, and the consensus' accepted rules for whats right and wrong...but not mine, and not everyone's...sorry....and yes, i do live under this government, so i do have to abide by certain rules and regulations, but its not for a religious reason...and yes, i probrobly have broken some commandments, and do not fear 'god' or consequences outside of that of the legal system.
who says im a law abiding citizen? and are most people? You only 'broke ' a law or rule when you get cought?
i'd admit there is a 'universal law of right/wrong'?? How do you know that? I would only agree with that on a beginning level, as i feel that the rules/laws we follow, are not right, or wrong...I'd agree that we do force new lives into believing that.....I think to say what you are all saying would be to say that, if the world as we know it right now, didnt exist, and a new 'world' was to start today, it would be the exact same, based on the same laws and rules, and be identical to what we live in now, and i dont agree with that.
why if someone takes your cookie is it wrong to smack them? because thats what we are used to...and thats what 'you' were brought up to believe...doesnt mean thats the only way.
If you live your life based on the thoughts and goals of there being an afterlife, you missed out on a lot of pleasures that 'your god' doesnt allow.....then if there is no afterlife...you just wasted the only years of you life you had.
Religion is a crutch, and i think it is good for certain people, and gives them something to live for.....i do also believe it ruines a lot of lives, and gives people almost a false hope...its like 'im gonna give up the my life hear on earth to do good, starve myself of pleasures i could enjoy, so that my afterlife will be better'.....yea ok......
I H8 UR DSM number 5, for children I believe that is majority parent instict and intuition, the parents should decide and know when it should be appropriate for kids to know about things. Like I said earlier(and I think), kids are all different some will react to things different, exposing a child to something at a very young could of could not have devestating effects, depending on the child, but is that risk really worth it? With the way the society and media works kids can often learn about such things as homosexuality and sex from tv, but what they learn from TV is wrong and exploited.
Nietzche also said "God is dead". Nietzche wrote your passage on page 68 of "Thus Spake Zarathustra" a book he wrote while he was sick and just after he had to leave his teaching post that he loved so much. I've studied and written on Nietzche and the guy was a loon.
1. Morality is what our law are based upon. Have you never taken a course on the philosophy of law? or read any or all of the following: plato, aristotle, locke, rousseau, hobbes. all these men are what the united states laws are based upon. morality is central to their philosophy and to philosophy in general. I would appreciate it if this argument be dropped as morality has a lot to do with most things in our world.
2. I belive that homosexuality is accepted right now just as much as it was accepted then. The difference between now and then is that back then it was not common and was unheard of two men or two women to be in love and have it accepted. It was common however for men to have sex with each other. This was usually done in secret. Have you read Oscar Wilde? if not, you should at least take a look at his life. Back in England in that time, homosexuality was not accepted.
3. Your original question is a fallacy in and of itself. You cannot ask a question and then tell someone how they cannot answer. It is a logical fallacy.
5. You answered 5 with your response to 6. Parents, meaning you, make this decision. Parents also, can disagree with what society is doing to impede their wishes for their children's learning pace.
6. Moot.
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1. Morality is what our law are based upon. Have you never taken a course on the philosophy of law? or read any or all of the following: plato, aristotle, locke, rousseau, hobbes. all these men are what the united states laws are based upon. morality is central to their philosophy and to philosophy in general. I would appreciate it if this argument be dropped as morality has a lot to do with most things in our world.
2. I belive that homosexuality is accepted right now just as much as it was accepted then. The difference between now and then is that back then it was not common and was unheard of two men or two women to be in love and have it accepted. It was common however for men to have sex with each other. This was usually done in secret. Have you read Oscar Wilde? if not, you should at least take a look at his life. Back in England in that time, homosexuality was not accepted.
3. Your original question is a fallacy in and of itself. You cannot ask a question and then tell someone how they cannot answer. It is a logical fallacy.
5. You answered 5 with your response to 6. Parents, meaning you, make this decision. Parents also, can disagree with what society is doing to impede their wishes for their children's learning pace.
6. Moot.
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AZhitman wrote:As far as the other countries who "hate" us and have "problems with our political and social views", well.... Please.
That's why 50 people a week die in the desert 100 miles south of me, just for the chance to come to the US. I'll bet that 80% of the world's population, if asked "Where would you have liked to have been born?" would say America. (If they didn't fear for their life for responding.)
Conceited? How about strong and confident.
come on now...thats strongly an economic and quality of life issue...i dont think thats what we are really talking about.
besides you have to take into account what your saying....there are a lot of better places to 'live' and go to, but not really possible, and most countries dont make it as easy to become a citizen, or as accepting of immigrants.
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Bionicq45 made a good point with Genesis Chapter 19. Jesse says that punkish queers have been around for generations (in his family) and that the world was built on the tasty flavors of "glute fruit". In the chapter posted by Bionic, a city was destroyed and the catalyst of that destruction was a group of queers coming to a righteous man's home wanting to "know" the new comers to the city (who happened to be men). We all know the biblical meaning of know (even you schmos who claim not to accept the Bible).
Long story short, a good man could not be found in the entire city (the cheek chasers were still there mind you so this included them) and the city was destroyed not by politicians or armies or terrorists but by God. Interesting .....
Long story short, a good man could not be found in the entire city (the cheek chasers were still there mind you so this included them) and the city was destroyed not by politicians or armies or terrorists but by God. Interesting .....
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90Q45blue wrote:Nietzche also said "God is dead". Nietzche wrote your passage on page 68 of "Thus Spake Zarathustra" a book he wrote while he was sick and just after he had to leave his teaching post that he loved so much. I've studied and written on Nietzche and the guy was a loon.
1. Morality is what our law are based upon. Have you never taken a course on the philosophy of law? or read any or all of the following: plato, aristotle, locke, rousseau, hobbes. all these men are what the united states laws are based upon. morality is central to their philosophy and to philosophy in general. I would appreciate it if this argument be dropped as morality has a lot to do with most things in our world.
2. I belive that homosexuality is accepted right now just as much as it was accepted then. The difference between now and then is that back then it was not common and was unheard of two men or two women to be in love and have it accepted. It was common however for men to have sex with each other. This was usually done in secret. Have you read Oscar Wilde? if not, you should at least take a look at his life. Back in England in that time, homosexuality was not accepted.
3. Your original question is a fallacy in and of itself. You cannot ask a question and then tell someone how they cannot answer. It is a logical fallacy.
5. You answered 5 with your response to 6. Parents, meaning you, make this decision. Parents also, can disagree with what society is doing to impede their wishes for their children's learning pace.
6. Moot.
Nick
1. yes..'our' world.
2. common does not equal norm? I guess should of used a different term then, i appologize...but we are agreeing now i guess, that at a time, it was common for same gender sex to occur without the same negativity attatched to it now.
3. I dont get it, why cant anyone explain why homosexuality is wrong, without references to the bible?
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3. I dont get it, why cant anyone explain why homosexuality is wrong, without references to the bible?
I guess what im trying to say is.....why is it wrong to you? (maybe not you personally q45) but to whoever is saying its wrong...is it just because the bible told you so? or do you decide that on your own, and have your own beliefs reasons? Just curious if people make these decisions on thier own, or have them because thats what they were told.
Have you seen the movie about Sodom. very wierd movie. kinda freaked me out.
and yes, Jesse, i was brought up going to church before i was able to make my own choices. but i also think thats why i have more self control than many of the non-church goers, and why i am more accepting of different people than some non-informed people.
and yes, Jesse, i was brought up going to church before i was able to make my own choices. but i also think thats why i have more self control than many of the non-church goers, and why i am more accepting of different people than some non-informed people.
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I H8 UR DSM wrote:I dont get it, why cant anyone explain why homosexuality is wrong, without references to the bible?
Why can't you explain why stealing is wrong? Why can't you explain why child molestation is wrong? Why can't you explain why rape is wrong?
You truly don't get it. How many times do I have to say, there is a universal right and wrong. Where do you think our laws came from? They weren't just pulled out of someone's backside, they are Biblical.
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I H8 UR DSM wrote:I guess what im trying to say is.....why is it wrong to you? (maybe not you personally q45) but to whoever is saying its wrong...is it just because the bible told you so? or do you decide that on your own, and have your own beliefs reasons? Just curious if people make these decisions on thier own, or have them because thats what they were told.
I do not believe everything just because the bible tells me so. I question many things about my catholic faith as I think most people do at some point. I decided on my own that I don't agree with the lifestyles of gay people. Sex is meant for two purposes: pleasure and procreation. Both are not in place when there is same gender sex. Two women cannot procreate and neither can two men. I believe that that is why men and women were created with the certain genitalia they possess. I could go on but I really don't feel up to it right now.
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AZhitman wrote:Why can't you explain why stealing is wrong? Why can't you explain why child molestation is wrong? Why can't you explain why rape is wrong?
You truly don't get it. How many times do I have to say, there is a universal right and wrong. Where do you think our laws came from? They weren't just pulled out of someone's backside, they are Biblical.
IMO, one could argue that those things arent 'wrong' in a true life sense....only wrong in a biblical sense. Maybe those arguements would be rediculous in your mind, but i would contend thats because your mind isnt as open as one who isnt held within the restraints of a religion. (not a personal attack on you)
Stealing is wrong? according to the bible, and common belief (is it a universal belief in all walks of life, and every country in this world? no.)
Child molestation is wrong? same as above. ( i know some culturs have views and beliefs about what they do with their children that our society finds revolting and wrong, but they dont.)
Rape? same as above.
Yes its 'wrong' to us...universally...so i do agree there...but if universal covers everything, then no. i dont think those are universal beliefs.
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For those who think religion (I prefer the term faith, as I don't ascribe to an "organized religion") is a crutch, I submit the following:
A "crutch" is defined as something that makes it easier to get around, a prop, a helper, a supporter of the weakened. I'd disagree. Someone who has a strong faith has no need for a crutch... He will be persecuted and knows it. He will be scorned and made fun of, called "old-fashioned", "intolerant", or even - God forbid, "a sheep".
It takes MUCH more strength to walk in faith - To protect oneself, and one's family from the evils of society than to just open the door, embrace all manner of nonsense, go with the flow, live and let live, and not stand up for your beliefs.
A "crutch" is defined as something that makes it easier to get around, a prop, a helper, a supporter of the weakened. I'd disagree. Someone who has a strong faith has no need for a crutch... He will be persecuted and knows it. He will be scorned and made fun of, called "old-fashioned", "intolerant", or even - God forbid, "a sheep".
It takes MUCH more strength to walk in faith - To protect oneself, and one's family from the evils of society than to just open the door, embrace all manner of nonsense, go with the flow, live and let live, and not stand up for your beliefs.
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90Q45blue wrote:I do not believe everything just because the bible tells me so. I question many things about my catholic faith as I think most people do at some point. I decided on my own that I don't agree with the lifestyles of gay people. Sex is meant for two purposes: pleasure and procreation. Both are not in place when there is same gender sex. Two women cannot procreate and neither can two men. I believe that that is why men and women were created with the certain genitalia they possess. I could go on but I really don't feel up to it right now.
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so therefor is a women does not have nerve endings in that region, and her mate can not produce the neccesary excretions (sp*) to reproduce, than 'sex' would be wrong. Ok. Birth control is wrong to. ( i do know that devote people believe that though) But then where is this line drawn? So we'll say "ok, its alright to stretch that one, and allow birth control, but its still not alright to stretch the other rule's....".....
There are universal truths. Let's say I were to kill you. Would that be wrong? Well according to you, it's up to the person. So if I felt that I was justified in killing you then no, it wouldn't be wrong. Therefore, there's no reason I should be punished, unless your family thought they were justified in killing me and mine so they did. Then they shouldn't be punished unless my friends thought they were justified in killing your family and their friends. Do you see where I'm going? Do you know what happens if there are no universal laws? Chaos. Even the first humans had to have an understanding not to kill or steal from each other or else there would be consequences. By the way, killing is wrong because it violates the number one passion of everyone: survival. Not just because God says so.
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Although with trepidation at entering this quagmire, I'd like to respond to some of the statements made above.
First and foremost, I'd like to state for the record that I AM an athiest but polarize towards Buddhism. Fearing that my belief isn't as unyielding or ideal as I would like, I disallow myself from calling myself a follower of Buddhism at all.
As Jesse has stated in mind-numbingly exhaustive detail, not everyone abides by the rules and guidelines of a Christian faith and I'm one of them. Many like myself don't adhere to the Commandments and quite frankly, question how some of you can be so devout to a religion so suffocatingly authoritarian. Correct me if I'm wrong, but according to the Bible, am I not condemned to hell for not believing in a Christian god, for being an infidel?
Secondly, I'm a law-abiding citizen because of the physical consequences (nightmares of Big Bad Bubba) and not so much the influences of a moral consciousness. If it were legal, I'd be selling herb all day long.
There would be real-world consequences for murdering a long-time nemesis, I'm not worried about what happens in an afterlife because I don't believe.
From reading the above, one could conclude that someone of my ilk is a decadent caricature void of morals yet I do have morals, I just don't need to refer to a book to re-affirm that I'm a fundamentally good person (most of the time anyway).
First and foremost, I'd like to state for the record that I AM an athiest but polarize towards Buddhism. Fearing that my belief isn't as unyielding or ideal as I would like, I disallow myself from calling myself a follower of Buddhism at all.
As Jesse has stated in mind-numbingly exhaustive detail, not everyone abides by the rules and guidelines of a Christian faith and I'm one of them. Many like myself don't adhere to the Commandments and quite frankly, question how some of you can be so devout to a religion so suffocatingly authoritarian. Correct me if I'm wrong, but according to the Bible, am I not condemned to hell for not believing in a Christian god, for being an infidel?
Secondly, I'm a law-abiding citizen because of the physical consequences (nightmares of Big Bad Bubba) and not so much the influences of a moral consciousness. If it were legal, I'd be selling herb all day long.
There would be real-world consequences for murdering a long-time nemesis, I'm not worried about what happens in an afterlife because I don't believe. From reading the above, one could conclude that someone of my ilk is a decadent caricature void of morals yet I do have morals, I just don't need to refer to a book to re-affirm that I'm a fundamentally good person (most of the time anyway).
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AZhitman wrote:For those who think religion (I prefer the term faith, as I don't ascribe to an "organized religion") is a crutch, I submit the following:
A "crutch" is defined as something that makes it easier to get around, a prop, a helper, a supporter of the weakened. I'd disagree. Someone who has a strong faith has no need for a crutch... He will be persecuted and knows it. He will be scorned and made fun of, called "old-fashioned", "intolerant", or even - God forbid, "a sheep".
It takes MUCH more strength to walk in faith - To protect oneself, and one's family from the evils of society than to just open the door, embrace all manner of nonsense, go with the flow, live and let live, and not stand up for your beliefs.
Where any of you without 'faith' until you were lets say 18, then started following a 'faith? just curious, as i do know some people who are born again, and who picked up faith later in life...although it usually was because of a tramatic experience of some sort....otherwise, i hold in high esteem my personal beliefs, which i built over the first 18 years of my life, with some exposure to religion, then took it upon myself to go to a catholic university, study all the religions in a theological level, as well as philosophy, and learned it from the outside, and have people close to me, who were brought up in a religious background, and hold something over their parents heads for 'forcing' them to be apart of something they werent able to decide upon themselves.
Through my life (early and current) have been attatched very closely to a cult faith, jewish faith, catholic faith....so its not like i never had been part of a 'church' in my life or something.
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90Q45blue wrote:There are universal truths. Let's say I were to kill you. Would that be wrong? Well according to you, it's up to the person. So if I felt that I was justified in killing you then no, it wouldn't be wrong. Therefore, there's no reason I should be punished, unless your family thought they were justified in killing me and mine so they did. Then they shouldn't be punished unless my friends thought they were justified in killing your family and their friends. Do you see where I'm going? Do you know what happens if there are no universal laws? Chaos. Even the first humans had to have an understanding not to kill or steal from each other or else there would be consequences. By the way, killing is wrong because it violates the number one passion of everyone: survival. Not just because God says so.
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Thank you sopdadope. Thats the most 'logical' post to ME i have read so far...someone on my level (not that my level is better than anyone else's...)
Im glad you brought up Chaos. As i would agree that is the society im looking for. Survival does have its place in a chaotical (lol) society....you might have to adjust the things you do....but in that society you are basing your decisions, and your life, on what you as an individual belive..in the rawest form. NOt what someone else outlined for you...and thats they way your going to get the most pleasure out of your life. Dont give up your pleasures based on the idea that there is something waiting for you after your lifes over. Why and what would make you believe that? Ohhhh, i forgot, you read it in a book, or were told in a church....
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Sopdadope wrote:Although with trepidation at entering this quagmire, I'd like to respond to some of the statements made above.
First and foremost, I'd like to state for the record that I AM an athiest but polarize towards Buddhism. Fearing that my belief isn't as unyielding or ideal as I would like, I disallow myself from calling myself a follower of Buddhism at all.
As Jesse has stated in mind-numbingly exhaustive detail, not everyone abides by the rules and guidelines of a Christian faith and I'm one of them. Many like myself don't adhere to the Commandments and quite frankly, question how some of you can be so devout to a religion so suffocatingly authoritarian. Correct me if I'm wrong, but according to the Bible, am I not condemned to hell for not believing in a Christian god, for being an infidel?
Secondly, I'm a law-abiding citizen because of the physical consequences (nightmares of Big Bad Bubba) and not so much the influences of a moral consciousness. If it were legal, I'd be selling herb all day long.
From reading the above, one could conclude that someone of my ilk is a decadent caricature void of morals yet I do have morals, I just don't need to refer to a book to re-affirm that I'm a fundamentally good person (most of the time anyway).
I agree, although i dont call myself an aethiest, because i dont want to conform to any outline or guidlines on my beliefs..
and i do agree with your statement re. morals.
I though religious people didnt have these arguements, as their faith is all that matters, so they wouldnt even bother with this discussion
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I base my beliefs on my experiences through life..i take in account things i read, and learn, but Never based any beliefs on anyone elses.
How does one bible spawn so many different beliefs? I know i saw a special the other night about all these internet churches and sites, 'church of god' this and that, etc....that are all based on Hate, white power, racism, etc....I mean 'you' believe and read the same thing as these people....
I have a close friend, who's father is a pastor...and he just got engaged...but he cant tell his parents because she is black...now how does a person who consideres himself a man of god, hate someone based on their skin color?
edit: i guess i know the response i will get, and there are always bad examples or seeds in everything....but i mean every saturday i turn on tv, and see these tele eveangelist or whatever they are called on BET and fox yelling infront of stadiums full of people, and i listen for a good few minutes, and then i change the channel, shaking my head in disbelief that people actually can believe this stuff thats being spewed out of people's mouths...
then i drive by a church, and see the parents dragging their kids into the church kicking and screaming because they dont want to be there "but you dont have a choice, your coming to church"....
I also live with my grandmother who is devote catholic of some sort, and to hear her beliefs on race, and homosexuals, almost sickens me that she can believe this stuff...the world is ever changing...i dont know how much the bible is.
How does one bible spawn so many different beliefs? I know i saw a special the other night about all these internet churches and sites, 'church of god' this and that, etc....that are all based on Hate, white power, racism, etc....I mean 'you' believe and read the same thing as these people....
I have a close friend, who's father is a pastor...and he just got engaged...but he cant tell his parents because she is black...now how does a person who consideres himself a man of god, hate someone based on their skin color?
edit: i guess i know the response i will get, and there are always bad examples or seeds in everything....but i mean every saturday i turn on tv, and see these tele eveangelist or whatever they are called on BET and fox yelling infront of stadiums full of people, and i listen for a good few minutes, and then i change the channel, shaking my head in disbelief that people actually can believe this stuff thats being spewed out of people's mouths...
then i drive by a church, and see the parents dragging their kids into the church kicking and screaming because they dont want to be there "but you dont have a choice, your coming to church"....
I also live with my grandmother who is devote catholic of some sort, and to hear her beliefs on race, and homosexuals, almost sickens me that she can believe this stuff...the world is ever changing...i dont know how much the bible is.
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I believe right and wrong come from inside from the beginning. We all have a light that tells us and helps us discern right from wrong regardless of cultural religious beliefs. The first time a kid, be he Christian or Buddhist, does something terribly wrong I believe he feels inside that it was wrong. The continuous performance of that act dims the aforementioned light to the point where that wrong no longer feels wrong.
Take a murderer for instance such as Ted Bundy. I watched a documentary on old Ted and he got his start in the raping/ murdering business through indulging in pornographic materials. At first it was magazines then soft p0rn. As his appetite grew he needed more to satisfy him so he moved to hard p0rn then violent p0rn.
He eventually graduated to his first rape and murder (p0rn is bad by the way) and claimed to have felt terrible after the fact. I assume that means he felt it was probably wrong to have murdered and raped the poor girl. He kept doing it though and it got easier and easier to the point of enjoying it and needing it.
I would say the same goes for a Gumby and Pokey. The first time one performs one of these acts of sexual deviance I would bet my pinky toe that they wish they hadn’t but yet they continue until the light goes out. I starts to feel soo right (right Jesses?) that they think it IS right. But it is a weakness like alcoholism, smoking, lust, gluttony (the list goes on) that needs to be conquered and overcome.
No one has to answer but how many wish they had never taken that first smoke, first drink, committed that first theft, first pull on a joint, first ecstasy pill, first porno, first act of adultery or fornication or first poke in the glute? Think back to which applies to you and think about how you felt when it occurred. Compare it to your first act of kindness, first love, first time you stood up for the stinky kid in school, first time you swallowed your pride and humbled yourself, first time you told mom or dad you loved them.
Therein lies the difference between right and wrong. One makes you feel peace and joy, the other makes you feel dark and miserable. And we all know what misery likes…the same thing that joy likes…company.
Take a murderer for instance such as Ted Bundy. I watched a documentary on old Ted and he got his start in the raping/ murdering business through indulging in pornographic materials. At first it was magazines then soft p0rn. As his appetite grew he needed more to satisfy him so he moved to hard p0rn then violent p0rn.
He eventually graduated to his first rape and murder (p0rn is bad by the way) and claimed to have felt terrible after the fact. I assume that means he felt it was probably wrong to have murdered and raped the poor girl. He kept doing it though and it got easier and easier to the point of enjoying it and needing it.
I would say the same goes for a Gumby and Pokey. The first time one performs one of these acts of sexual deviance I would bet my pinky toe that they wish they hadn’t but yet they continue until the light goes out. I starts to feel soo right (right Jesses?) that they think it IS right. But it is a weakness like alcoholism, smoking, lust, gluttony (the list goes on) that needs to be conquered and overcome.
No one has to answer but how many wish they had never taken that first smoke, first drink, committed that first theft, first pull on a joint, first ecstasy pill, first porno, first act of adultery or fornication or first poke in the glute? Think back to which applies to you and think about how you felt when it occurred. Compare it to your first act of kindness, first love, first time you stood up for the stinky kid in school, first time you swallowed your pride and humbled yourself, first time you told mom or dad you loved them.
Therein lies the difference between right and wrong. One makes you feel peace and joy, the other makes you feel dark and miserable. And we all know what misery likes…the same thing that joy likes…company.
deesolballs, after i read that, i started thinking. and yes, i do have a few things i wish i didnt do. now, like you stated, after doing certain things over and over, they no longer feel bad. i do regret them sometimes, but not as much as that first time. i used to feel really bad about swearing, and i try not to as much. but i still do and it doesnt seem that wrong to me anymore.
Jesse, i have studied religion and philosophy too. and by doing this, i have opened myself up a little and have become alittle more accepting. i still believe in what i believe in and wont change my mind, but i accept other peoples beliefs to a point.
as for the going to hell part because you dont believe in Jesus, what about Muslims and Jews? they dont believe in Jesus. but they worship God, the same God i worship and all other christians do. and Jesus was a Jew, and he went to Heaven.
Jesse, i have studied religion and philosophy too. and by doing this, i have opened myself up a little and have become alittle more accepting. i still believe in what i believe in and wont change my mind, but i accept other peoples beliefs to a point.
as for the going to hell part because you dont believe in Jesus, what about Muslims and Jews? they dont believe in Jesus. but they worship God, the same God i worship and all other christians do. and Jesus was a Jew, and he went to Heaven.
Hitman,
I agree and disagree with you about the States. I don't merely just love this country, I'm absolutely intoxicated with what America stands for. Here one could voice our opinions, however paltry they may seem and not fear being rained down by a hail of bullets the next day. We don't have to worry about losing a limb while taking a casual walk into the countryside. We don't have to worry about failing because we're afforded the opportunity to start over again, anytime. My dissaccord isn't with what this country stands for but sometimes for those who are appointed to enact them. To illustrate my point, I have the utmost respect for law enforcers however I do question the character of those men who abuse the power of authority.
It's weird because in all honesty, because my existence here in the states is a contradiction unto itself and therein lies the dichotomy of being a 'war-child' transplanted to the States. Emigrating from southeast Asia, I'm horrified that I am the very thing that the my residency card states- an alien. An alien of my origins and an alien to where I am.
I was brought over to the states as a charity case on two counts- the sponsors brought us here to assimilate to their lifestyle and faith. I was also brought here because it's probably the least the U.S. government could do after having a hand in the slaughter of millions of Cambodians. I need to reiterate the fact that 600,000 tons of bombs costing this country around $8 billion was dropped on Cambodia and related territories. Paranoia of American bombing forced city-dwellers into the country-side where they were systematically butchered by the radical Khmer Rogue forces (an extreme reformist cult) who were later provided $100 million in weapons and ammunitions by who else, but Uncle Sam.
Thus the U.S. government was indirectly responsible for a genocide that wiped out nearly 1/2 of my country's population including the majority of educated civilians leaving a mostly uneducated, agrarian population to populate the country after the vietnamese liberation. To this day, thousands of people a year suffer from American involvement, Cambodia has the among the highest land-mine casualties annually in the world. Many of those mines, funded by Nixon's administration.
I love this country but I also can't ignore the past. When I leave next month I've debated whether or not I should come back 'home.'
Lastly, I hope I haven't antagonized anyone in this or previous posts in this thread. I absolutely hold no grudges and if anything, my respect for you guys has grown tremendously.
I agree and disagree with you about the States. I don't merely just love this country, I'm absolutely intoxicated with what America stands for. Here one could voice our opinions, however paltry they may seem and not fear being rained down by a hail of bullets the next day. We don't have to worry about losing a limb while taking a casual walk into the countryside. We don't have to worry about failing because we're afforded the opportunity to start over again, anytime. My dissaccord isn't with what this country stands for but sometimes for those who are appointed to enact them. To illustrate my point, I have the utmost respect for law enforcers however I do question the character of those men who abuse the power of authority.
It's weird because in all honesty, because my existence here in the states is a contradiction unto itself and therein lies the dichotomy of being a 'war-child' transplanted to the States. Emigrating from southeast Asia, I'm horrified that I am the very thing that the my residency card states- an alien. An alien of my origins and an alien to where I am.
I was brought over to the states as a charity case on two counts- the sponsors brought us here to assimilate to their lifestyle and faith. I was also brought here because it's probably the least the U.S. government could do after having a hand in the slaughter of millions of Cambodians. I need to reiterate the fact that 600,000 tons of bombs costing this country around $8 billion was dropped on Cambodia and related territories. Paranoia of American bombing forced city-dwellers into the country-side where they were systematically butchered by the radical Khmer Rogue forces (an extreme reformist cult) who were later provided $100 million in weapons and ammunitions by who else, but Uncle Sam.
Thus the U.S. government was indirectly responsible for a genocide that wiped out nearly 1/2 of my country's population including the majority of educated civilians leaving a mostly uneducated, agrarian population to populate the country after the vietnamese liberation. To this day, thousands of people a year suffer from American involvement, Cambodia has the among the highest land-mine casualties annually in the world. Many of those mines, funded by Nixon's administration.
I love this country but I also can't ignore the past. When I leave next month I've debated whether or not I should come back 'home.'
Lastly, I hope I haven't antagonized anyone in this or previous posts in this thread. I absolutely hold no grudges and if anything, my respect for you guys has grown tremendously.