RB27 Tuning Update! Need Help.... Issues stilll...

[rb25drag]

Those RPM numbers really are not going to hurt you unless your AutoCrossing it and need the extra boost in the corners.

I have figured out my car ONLY wants to be a track car. So thats why it only see's 1-3 races per month if its still running in 1 piece. I have tried for 4 years to get it streetable. But it just Denies me everytime.

[Coolwhip]

Hope you get this thing running soon man.

[Shocker]

Hope you get this thing running soon man.

Me too man... I might end up doing a 67mm journal, a lot cheaper to fix...

I don't plan to auto-x this car lol, its WAYY too loud to be acceptable.

I think I might just call Precision tomorrow against what AMS is telling me since they cant even call me back like they said they would. I'm not a fan of waiting around...

[l0nestar]

I'm not a fan of waiting around...

Nor am I.

I would call them (PT) and be calm and inquire what the issue is, or ask for a brief report. And again, be calm and courteous, but become stern if needed. I have to remind myself of this sometimes..

[Shocker]

Nor am I.

I would call them (PT) and be calm and inquire what the issue is, or ask for a brief report. And again, be calm and courteous, but become stern if needed. I have to remind myself of this sometimes..

Thats what I plan to, I'll wait till lunch, no call from AMS... I'll speak to PT personally.

Trust me I am very calm and laid back. Even after all this....

I'm starting to really lean more towards a 67mm, looks like full boost wont come on till around 4400-4800 from what I've seen, it will be a little laggier than the 35r, the torque wont quite be there like it was down low, but will still give me my 500+ on pump gas @18ish psi...

Also rebuild for it is next to nill, compared to what they want me to pay now...

[Shocker]

Well no call from AMS, so I called PT.

No luck from them, Jeremy (tech guy) whom I spoke with very nice and listened. However theres nothing he can tell me since they have privacy statements with their vendors. So in other words they tell AMS, then AMS tells me...

I mentioned on how slow/lax they are being on getting back to me with this situation he was surprised (as I already am), then assured he would call and speak with them to see whats up.

Looks like its back to waiting....

[Coolwhip]

:/ not in the mood for popcorn at all

[Neejay]

Well no call from AMS, so I called PT.

No luck from them, Jeremy (tech guy) whom I spoke with very nice and listened. However theres nothing he can tell me since they have privacy statements with their vendors. So in other words they tell AMS, then AMS tells me...

I mentioned on how slow/lax they are being on getting back to me with this situation he was surprised (as I already am), then assured he would call and speak with them to see whats up.

Looks like its back to waiting....

Still no update?

[Shocker]

Yeah I suppose there have been a few..

Well AMS ended up calling back about an hour after I got off the phone with PT (go figure... lmao) Told me basically what Jeremy at PT told me. Said he'd call back Monday with news since the turbo guy was out for the day.

No call Monday... but I called up Chris at Sound Performance. ****ing awesome guy!, very nice to talk to, very cool dude and super helpful with my situation. Got myself a SP67gt ordered up with an H cover compressor housing. .68 a/r P trim.

Turbo should be here soon, I'm very excited to get her hooked up, hopefully the response isn't too horrible. We are guessing full boost between 4500-4800 rpms.. I shall see.

AMS called back on Tuesday with more news from PT. Still no coverage for the turbo. PT blames foreign object damage to the turbine blade, causing shaft in balance then bearing failure... They say there is no sign of the debris from the object... (I'm still calling BS!!!!) So I told him to just send my sh*t back, and that was that with AMS...

Spoke with my tuner, he might be down for a bit... he was in a horrible car accident unfortunately destroying his amazing 20B FD... I'll get in contact with him over the weekend or next week to see how hes doing...

[Coolwhip]

Eek, hope he's ok.

Can't wait to see this thing rolling.

[l0nestar]

Damn!

Sorry to hear about your tuner! Do you know how he is doing? Was he hospitalized or, just thrash his car?

Cars can be rebuilt (yes, even a 20B powered FD! ) But bones and muscles (especially joints, backs, and vertebrae) are more fickle.

But yeah, hopefully you can get this new snail from SP and get back on the road!

[Shocker]

Thanks for thoughts on his well being.

Rear tire gave out around turn. He was hospitalized, and already had surgery. Firewall/pedals ****ed his feet/ankles all up pretty bad. Roll cage they believe is the only reason hes still alive. The front of the car is a tin can supposedly. Very sad in deed, just glad hes alive, hes an awesome guy.

I'll get some pics and updates when I get the new snail and install her. I've gotta modify my water lines. (no more DBB...) Also I need to modify my oil return most likely. I'm not welding an elbow on this time, just got a fatty 3" 90 since I got the H cover.

EDIT: I forgot to add that Mack is also the ****, got my Aluminum mount, with hardware last Friday from him that he one offed for me due to my driver side mount melting. FOR FREE! Nothing speaks more for a company that backs its products like Mack does!! Huge hats off to him, and Mckinney Motorsports! A++ I definitively recommend them, both for quality and awesome business relationships.

thanks again Mack!
Modified by Shocker at 5:08 PM 5/9/2008

[gawdzilla]

sounds like you're going to something more like my turbo now. .68a/r is what i have too.

Mack is a great guy. Props to one of the OG swap businesses with great customer service. My red solid mount is also melting unfortunately

[Shocker]

sounds like you're going to something more like my turbo now. .68a/r is what i have too.

Mack is a great guy. Props to one of the OG swap businesses with great customer service. My red solid mount is also melting unfortunately

Yeah I think its basically the same size, expect mines way cheaper to replace bearings in (one of the main reasons I went with it)

I just plan to run 17-18ish lbs on it with pump 93 we will see how it goes.

I'm sure he can make you an ALUM mount. I plan to cut 2 round pieces of silicone out of one of my couplers to place on both the top and bottom of the mount to reduce vibration. It shouldn't melt as easy...( I hope...) ha.

[johnzm]

sorry about your luck. i coulda told you that pt wouldnt do d!ck about it.

when any BB fails, the center cartridge must be replaced. they START at stupid prices like 600-800 for a gt28 sized, and go up from there. then your housing damage had to be fixed too.

i heard with my ear to the ground that SSAC (i think this is the brand) BB turbo's use garrets center cartridge now, and also have some kinda really nice warranty policy that they will actually honour.

but for what its worth, i would have probably done the same thing u did and went with a journal bearing. at least if it blows its like 200-300 bux to repair, and *most* decent journal bearing have some what nice track records.

while im bs'ing here ill rant about garrett. has anyone yet seen a garrett last more than 60k miles? how come mitsu's can last so long without smoking, and hell look at the holests. 40 lbs of boost 100,000 mile minimum. i think garrett in general is bla.

end rant

[Shocker]

Well, I finally got my new turbo, man she is ****ing HUGE compared to my old 35r, exhaust housing is the same but the compressor housing is another story. I got the H housing so I could have a 3" discharge it also weights about 25lbs..

I ran over to Summit after I got it and picked up a new return line setup and a few fittings I needed to block off the coolant lines and modify the oil feed.

I'll be putting her on tomorrow night and hopefully going for a drive... I hope (granted nothing goes wrong lol)

Battery in the car is dead.. I've got a parasitic drain on it from something... not sure what it could be... It has sat for what almost 5-6 weeks now ugh...

Heres a pic of her.

[l0nestar]

Goo! That thing is huge! (that's what she said!)

[Coolwhip]

Cory you should be ashamed, tisk.

[gawdzilla]

no antisurge housing this time?

out of curiousity. how do you install the turbo onto the manifold? when the manifold is already bolted to the head in the car?

[Shocker]

no antisurge housing this time?

out of curiousity. how do you install the turbo onto the manifold? when the manifold is already bolted to the head in the car?

Nope no Anti, no biggy..

Um well when I got my manifold made I made sure the guy left me enough room for A: a larger turbo and B: the ability to remove it and install it with no issues.

It fit just fine with about a 1/4 or 3/8" of clearance between the valve cover. I think the 35r had an inch or more to give you a size comparison lol.

[gawdzilla]

the ability to remove it and install it with no issues.

was just wondering, cuz i install the turbo onto the manifold first. it's too annoying to try and see/reach the nut where you got your exhaust leak from when it's on the car. i was thinking maybe you couldn't tighten it good b/c it's so hard to access.

[Shocker]

was just wondering, cuz i install the turbo onto the manifold first. it's too annoying to try and see/reach the nut where you got your exhaust leak from when it's on the car. i was thinking maybe you couldn't tighten it good b/c it's so hard to access.

Yeah its a *****, I had to modify a wrench in order to tighten it fully, obviously I didn't all the way since I had a small exhaust leak on the one nut..

Actually from research I found you are supposed to remove the turbine housing first, and just bolt that part down, then install the rest of the turbo assembly. Thats what I'll be doing later today. Should make it nice and easy to access the bolts.

[gawdzilla]

Yeah its a *****, I had to modify a wrench in order to tighten it fully, obviously I didn't all the way since I had a small exhaust leak on the one nut..

Actually from research I found you are supposed to remove the turbine housing first, and just bolt that part down, then install the rest of the turbo assembly. Thats what I'll be doing later today. Should make it nice and easy to access the bolts.

true... that makes sense. my turbine housing is only held on my 4 bolts i think. even with the manifold off the car, that nut is a pita to tighten down. i also had to mod an open end wrench. i found that with the turbo on the manifold, it doesn't really make installing the manifold itself much harder, so that's why i did it that way. next time i might do the turbine housing to the manifold first, then assemble the turbo, then put both onto the car. hope i dont need to any time soon though

[Shocker]

true... that makes sense. my turbine housing is only held on my 4 bolts i think. even with the manifold off the car, that nut is a pita to tighten down. i also had to mod an open end wrench. i found that with the turbo on the manifold, it doesn't really make installing the manifold itself much harder, so that's why i did it that way. next time i might do the turbine housing to the manifold first, then assemble the turbo, then put both onto the car. hope i dont need to any time soon though

Yeah I know the inner nut you are talking about, it sites closest to the shock tower under the cartridge, ****ing ***** to get on and then off... Thats the one that was leaking on me since I didn't clamp her good enough. I'll snap some pics of my install for all to see later.

I also think your supposed to install the fittings for the oil and water with the cartridge off the housing as well so you can get a good clamp on them. On the 35r I ended up using a small punch and a hammer to tighten them fully lol. Wrenches just don't fit in there too well....

[gawdzilla]

Yeah I know the inner nut you are talking about, it sites closest to the shock tower under the cartridge, ****ing ***** to get on and then off... Thats the one that was leaking on me since I didn't clamp her good enough. I'll snap some pics of my install for all to see later.

I also think your supposed to install the fittings for the oil and water with the cartridge off the housing as well so you can get a good clamp on them. On the 35r I ended up using a small punch and a hammer to tighten them fully lol. Wrenches just don't fit in there too well....

you should be ok with the 40. the 40 has a bigger gap between the turbine and compressor housing, so i can get an adjustable wrench onto the AN fitting and tighten it easily. i can also use a socket on the metric to AN adapter. i think it's m18x1.5 on the coolant holes btw.. not m14x1.5 like the 35 and smaller.

[Shocker]

you should be ok with the 40. the 40 has a bigger gap between the turbine and compressor housing, so i can get an adjustable wrench onto the AN fitting and tighten it easily. i can also use a socket on the metric to AN adapter. i think it's m18x1.5 on the coolant holes btw.. not m14x1.5 like the 35 and smaller.

Lol, thats not a 40, its a PT67 P-trim

[Shocker]

Well I got her all install heres photos of it.

Fabbed up new return line



I took the turbine housing off for much easier installation



After a good deal of waiting for the stupid battery to charge shes alive again!!

Oh NOESS its smoking!!!



actually it was just coolant burning off my exhaust, heat wrap got drenched in it yesterday while I was changing my lines out... yeah that **** took like 15 minutes to all burn off, it was NASTY too, I breathed it in on accident I about died of gasping and coughing...

Took her for a drive, all was well, turbo sounds basically the same as the 35r, you can tell its a journal at idle for it spins a lot slower than the DBB. It feels about as laggy as the 35r as well so far... it was making 2-3ish lbs at 2400-2500 rpms soo not horrible. Compressor surge sounds REDIC, it sounds so ****ing nasty, the car is just mean.

I did a few WOT pulls to 5.5-6k a/f's are staying at 11.1-11.2 once it went to 12.3 not sure If I let off or something but I was watching it like a hawk. Car is a monster already and its missing exhaust cam timing still, and a final tune. It gives me chills and makes me laugh out loud from the rush. 1st and 2nd are already pointless one boost hits.

Time to get down to C-bus soon for hopefully my LAST tune..... "fingers crossed" lol

Oh yeah DON'T do this...luckily I didn't fry anything...



Lots of power there....

[240z4u]

Congratulations dude! Looking good. Thats one big *** turbo.

Evan

BTW, I see your rocking the ACE pro wrenches. I love em'.

[matafied]

Freakn nasty!!!! i wish mine was done, just needing some funding LOL

[Coolwhip]

happy for you man. Looks nasty