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I'll just say this regarding the power of the Q:

A couple weeks ago, I was at an intersection a couple blocks from home. The light turned green, and I (or so I thought) casually applied the accelerator. My rear view quickly began filling with smoke and I left two black patches most of the way through the intersection (a result of letting the tires grab gradually rather than simply letting off the gas and thudding into traction). Again, I was driving very casually. I fear for the longevity of my soon-to-be-fitted 215-wide snow tires. That's the power of the Q.
ppastos wrote:To me the Q45 is the foreign version of the Chevy Impala. But still a little bit better than the Impala.
The meaning of this statement hinges heavily on WHICH Impala you're comparing the Q to. The Impala has run the gamut from classy muscular rear-driver to sub-par economy front-driver. (I would do terrible things for a 1966 Impala SS in metallic blue.)
Window45 wrote:just wish the damn thing didn't look so giggity big and grandma like
The Q's size is one of my favorite things about it.And it definitely does not look grandma like. Go park next to a Buick Century and tell me how much the two have in common. Buick is "grandma-like." The Q is low-shouldered, wide, long, and sleek. There's no Grandma to be found (although my grandma does like my Q a lot. )


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MinisterofDOOM wrote:The meaning of this statement hinges heavily on WhICH Impala you're comparing the Q to. The Impala has run the gamut from classy muscular rear-driver to sub-par economy front-driver. (I would do terrible things for a 1966 Impala SS in metallic blue.)
Sorry I meant one of the best years of impala was made in 1994-1996, But the old ones are good too.

one car i'd love to have:



I once wanted those wheels on my 1991 Q45.

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Yeah, the 90s Impala was a great modern musclecar. I'd love to have one, or a late model Mercury Marauder.



I think the Marauder is a little better looking, but the Impala has a better powerplant.

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I've no idea why you guys are comparing the Q to the Impala or the Marauder. LOL. They are compromise cars at best. Granted they do have a certain amount of style and performance but they are simply tarted up versions of land yachts.

Here are some pics that I took of my car over the summer.





It's not in the best shape possible but it's not bad for a 14 year old car with over 230k miles on it. Also, it is pushing over 450 hp on the stock engine.

The best decision that I have ever made in regards to this car was turbocharging it. I have done all kinds of mods on this car but none gave me the return of the turbo system.

My advice to anyone looking for performance from their Q is to boost it. The engine is strong and as long as you do a good tune on it, there will be no problems.

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sijoko wrote:I've no idea why you guys are comparing the Q to the Impala or the Marauder. LOL. They are compromise cars at best. Granted they do have a certain amount of style and performance but they are simply tarted up versions of land yachts.
Oh, I'm definitely comparing the Q to them. They were definitely in a whole different world than the Q (the body-on-frame world, to be precise).
sijoko wrote:My advice to anyone looking for performance from their Q is to boost it. The engine is strong and as long as you do a good tune on it, there will be no problems.
Don't say that, I'll start getting really tempted. If I tell myself the engine can't take it, I don't have to worry about the temptation.

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94-95 Impala SS... Thats a near perfect match for the Q45. In fact sometimes they scare me.

Except I have more powerI rather have most torque at 4400RPM than 2500RPMI can out-accelerate itI have a solid Japanese engineMy transmission won't break after 100K milesAnd I also have much better mileage at 140MPHMy car+exhaust system sound better than an SS.

But the extra room would be nice.

The thing is my car can't burn out much. I think its the 225 tires.

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The chassis is like paper, car is prone to slides and drifts. I don't know if I call that great racing suspension. A lack of powerful motor doesn't seem to stop the Miatas from dominating the amature racing world. It is a crappy car out of the box, you have to spend some decent money to get it to be competitive at any racing level. For the money, I would rather have a RX-7 or Miata.

Let's not even get into steering feel, or lack there of.
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I own 2 240 (97 and 93 hatch with silvia front) and I'm not a wannabe drifter, although for every 1 of me there are about 1000 wannabe drifters that destroy good clean cars.

How can you say the 240sx one of the worst cars ever built? You do know that the 240(s13), q45, and z32 all share nearly identicly suspention setups(z32&q45 have a better front setup imho but the 240's handling abilitys are nothing to skoff at). Also, having spent much time working on all three, (own a 94 q also) I can honstly say that for the most part the basic design of each car also closely resemble one another.

The reason you hardly see 240s in competive racing is because the ka sucks fat hairy monkey balls(my personal opinion) and most racing leagues don't allow motor swaps or swaps put the 240 in to high of a class to be competive.

As for the is300, meh, its a tipical boring toyota with some luxury crap thrown in, but can be made into a fun car(if you have $$$$$$$).

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Kiven422 wrote:94-95 Impala SS... Thats a near perfect match for the Q45. In fact sometimes they scare me.

Except I have more powerI rather have most torque at 4400RPM than 2500RPMI can out-accelerate itI have a solid Japanese engineMy transmission won't break after 100K milesAnd I also have much better mileage at 140MPHMy car+exhaust system sound better than an SS.

But the extra room would be nice.

The thing is my car can't burn out much. I think its the 225 tires.
More torque in that range? No way. That extra 1.3 liters the 350 holds will grant it a substantial amount of torque over any stock Q, and over many decently modified Q's as well. It is a proven fact lower-revving bigger engines make more torque all day, everyday. Every domestic transmission, save some front-drivers and a couple shoddy Chrysler products, that I've used or built are superior in every way to the Q transmission. That means better shift quality (not rubber-bandy), increased lifespan with proper care, a little more simple, and downright more durable. With the right mufflers any Q could sound like an Impala and any Impala could sound like a Q. The Q sounds the way it does because of it's small size and small pipes. Put any two engines with same same number of cylinders next to each other and with similar displacement and/or similar pipes/mufflers they will sound almost identical to an untrained ear. The Impala has a 350 which has over 1 liter extra displacement over the Q, hence larger pipes hence deeper, louder growl. Put 2 inch pipes and the same mufflers on and it won't sound much different. The Q's smaller more efficient engine will always make better mileage than a 5.7 Chev, even though a granny in an Impala may be able to squeeze 23-24 out of it at 55 on the interstate. Apples and Oranges. How many Q compared with Impala's have ball hitches and tow 17ft ski boats? The Impala has a full ladder frame, like a truck, and a solid axle. It's a very tried and true, worn out, simplistic, durable and reliable setup. They are cheap to own, much cheaper to own and maintain than any Q. They aren't as nice inside, don't ride quite as well and aren't as quiet as a Q. One car belongs in a tradesman's driveway, one in a lawyer's. Where one will excel, the other will lag. They are, in fact, perfect opposites, not perfect matches. In terms of performance the Q is a better handler, stock, and has a better top speed, stock. There was a reason the Caprice was a police car, and that was because it could be punished severely, all the time, and not break. I don' imagine any Q would do well under those stresses, aside from the VH45, and the Impala doesn't do well as a 50,000 dollar luxo-car either.
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Window45 wrote:Do you guys find the q45 to be a "fast" car? honestly?
A car that does a 15 and goes 160 is by no means fast. Faster than your average car was when it was made, yes. Today any decent V6 powered car 26,000 dollars or more better be able to school a Q in at least the acceleration department. It can move itself without much effort but is by no means a terror. Anyone who considers it a fast car either swapped up from a Civic or has never sat behind a big block V-8 before. A new 35,000 dollar TL will do a 13.8 quarter, and I have personally driven one past 160, as recorded on the speedo which was probably not perfectly accurate. The Q was 45,000 in 1992, which would be over 60 today. It is a great car, I love it, and it is a pleasure to care for and drive, but it is severely outdated in terms of performance by vehicles now costing 15,000 dollars less out the door. Nothing should even be considered fast unless it can do 13's and hit 150. Before I had my Q I had a 350hp 1970 Chevelle that would tear rubber until first gear redline with a 2.56 axle. It could go past 60mph in first, and I didn't consider that fast. Probably could have hit 13's with a 3.73 and a locker. The bar has raised very high now, as high or higher than it did in the musclecar age. 3.2L V-6's making almost 2HP per cubic inch, getting 30 on the freeway and being ULEV certified is insane. Crazier than a 550HP 454, in terms of HP per displacement, fuel economy and emission production. The Q is a great car, a wonderfully well built lasting machine, but it is not, I repeat, not fast. Anything can be built to be fast though, with the knowledge and/or bank account.

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That's exactly what I was getting at with my post earlier. Of all the cars I've owned my q45 has been the slowest of the bunch. It's a great driving car with an excellent ride & amenities, but it's no powerhouse I can assure you. All these people who claim they've beaten Camaros, Mustangs, etc. were either racing a v6 model, or the other guy didn't know there was any racing going on. Those cars are quite a bit lighter than a Q, not to mention more powerful in most cases. Even if the other driver is a complete retard if he doesn't spin on the launch the other car would easily outrun a q45. And we're talking bone stock cars here, and where I live most Camaros & Mustangs aren't stock anymore. It's simple physics, a lighter car with equal or more power will always outrun a lesser powered heavier car, (unless Nissan also made a GT-R Q45, because we all know the GT-R is the baddest car in the world ). Some of you guys are seriously delusional about what kind of power your car makes, because unless you have a turbo or a big hit of nitrous it really ain't that much.

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Not sure what a stock G50 will do, but I was logging 6 sec between 60-85mph. It seems slow to me, perhaps I could use a tune up

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Aaron_L wrote:That's exactly what I was getting at with my post earlier. Of all the cars I've owned my q45 has been the slowest of the bunch. It's a great driving car with an excellent ride & amenities, but it's no powerhouse I can assure you. All these people who claim they've beaten Camaros, Mustangs, etc. were either racing a v6 model, or the other guy didn't know there was any racing going on. Those cars are quite a bit lighter than a Q, not to mention more powerful in most cases. Even if the other driver is a complete retard if he doesn't spin on the launch the other car would easily outrun a q45. And we're talking bone stock cars here, and where I live most Camaros & Mustangs aren't stock anymore. It's simple physics, a lighter car with equal or more power will always outrun a lesser powered heavier car, (unless Nissan also made a GT-R Q45, because we all know the GT-R is the baddest car in the world ). Some of you guys are seriously delusional about what kind of power your car makes, because unless you have a turbo or a big hit of nitrous it really ain't that much.
You do know that you're basing your statements off of an FY33, which is a fat kid in comparison to the G50?

Just checking.

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tmak26b wrote:Not sure what a stock G50 will do, but I was logging 6 sec between 60-85mph. It seems slow to me, perhaps I could use a tune up
@65 When I drop it, it takes no more than 3 seconds to hit 85, that includes the gear shift.

Your probably missing like 4 cylinders.

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I'm sure he does, but the only Stang a G50 will take out are mustang 2's, most 5.0 Fox's and anything with less than a 8, save for the 84-86 SVO which will disgrace a stock G50. The only stock foxes to run lower than a 15 quarter are the 92 Cobra and the aforementioned turbo 2.3L SVO. Any 80's 5.7 Camaro will take a Q out. Any 4.6 Mustang should do it. Really, a 15 isn't anything to brag about. Ever. Period. There are plenty of cars over 4000lbs that can go over 150 and run better than 15. The biggest weakness is the drivetrain, the Q transmission blows chunks and the IRS soaks up the launch. The IRS, however, is one of my favorite parts since it rides quiet and smooth. The transmission just flat out sucks. I hate it. Maybe with a reprogram and some better clutches it wouldn't, but weak shifts just suck, not matter what kind of car it is. The new Chargers/300's have the same problem.

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Jim, I think you meant to say the gearing sucks on the G50? That's one of the reason the car doesnt accelerate as quick as what it is capable of.

Kiven,

Unless your car is heavily modded or Sir Issac Newton is riding with you. Per the rule of physics, it takes 3.2 sec to go 65 to even 85mph, your car must be special.
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@65 When I drop it, it takes no more than 3 seconds to hit 85, that includes the gear shift.

Your probably missing like 4 cylinders.

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That isn't what I meant at all. Gears can be altered. The transmission sucks because it takes ten minutes to shift from one gear to another. Slower shift times mean more lag and more clutch wear. And that stupid lurchy feeling from a slow shift. A transmission swap is an ordeal, gear swaps aren't.

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Yes the transmission blows.... but I have to admit the gearing does save me from stupidity. Props for that.

During racing I have to slightly ease on the throttle PERFECTLY on the 2nd-3rd shift otherwise I have no power for 1 WHOLE second!

3rd-4th also stops accelerating and takes a whole second in the 94Q. Can't feel any shift in the 93 though.

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jimbyjimb wrote:That isn't what I meant at all. Gears can be altered. The transmission sucks because it takes ten minutes to shift from one gear to another. Slower shift times mean more lag and more clutch wear. And that stupid lurchy feeling from a slow shift. A transmission swap is an ordeal, gear swaps aren't.
I really hope you are not trying to change a transmission to make your Q faster.......

I agree about wearing out things more with slower/smoother shifts, but you have got to be joking me to think a 4 spd with long gears is capable for acceleration. You happy with the gears for performance? What are you trying to go for? Bonneville? Geez

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I don't know what planet you're on. I'm not talking about swapping anything. All I'm saying is I don't like the way the Q transmission shifts. Not talking about anything else. Slow shifts suck, acceleration lags during the extended time frame between shifts. Period. Face value. Don't read into it. My Q is bone stock, will probably always be. I don't race, if I planned on it I wouldn't have a 3900lb luxury car. Just griping about the crappy slow shifts, that's it. By gears I was reffering to final drive, axle gears. Were I a wealthy man with alot of time, you bet I'd change out the transmission to make it faster, if that were my ultimate goal. A 5 or 6 speed manual conversion would be loads of fun, and work. Of course, if that were planned there would have to be a host of other mods to accompany, in order to justify such a thing. It's a great car, and my only real complaint about it is the transmission. I don't care about the cars gear arrangement, I'm not looking to speed. My ultimate point was that slow shifts feel bad, and are a stupid way to lose effective power transmission resulting in acceleration lag every shift and more clutch wear. If the transmission shifted a little firmer it certainly wouldn't improve quarter-mile acceleration time any noticeable amount, but it would improve the feel and clutch life. I'm looking at it from a practical point of view, not a racers. The only way I'd race my Q at Bonneville would be for a good time, and I wouldn' have high expectations since vehicles run slower on salt than they would on pavement. Tire slippage.

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The whole point of a luxury car is to make it smooth, they did the slow shifts for that. I don't think they are looking for a F1 shift in their demographics research.
jimbyjimb wrote:I don't know what planet you're on. I'm not talking about swapping anything. All I'm saying is I don't like the way the Q transmission shifts. Not talking about anything else. Slow shifts suck, acceleration lags during the extended time frame between shifts. Period. Face value. Don't read into it. My Q is bone stock, will probably always be. I don't race, if I planned on it I wouldn't have a 3900lb luxury car. Just griping about the crappy slow shifts, that's it. By gears I was reffering to final drive, axle gears. Were I a wealthy man with alot of time, you bet I'd change out the transmission to make it faster, if that were my ultimate goal. A 5 or 6 speed manual conversion would be loads of fun, and work. Of course, if that were planned there would have to be a host of other mods to accompany, in order to justify such a thing. It's a great car, and my only real complaint about it is the transmission. I don't care about the cars gear arrangement, I'm not looking to speed. My ultimate point was that slow shifts feel bad, and are a stupid way to lose effective power transmission resulting in acceleration lag every shift and more clutch wear. If the transmission shifted a little firmer it certainly wouldn't improve quarter-mile acceleration time any noticeable amount, but it would improve the feel and clutch life. I'm looking at it from a practical point of view, not a racers. The only way I'd race my Q at Bonneville would be for a good time, and I wouldn' have high expectations since vehicles run slower on salt than they would on pavement. Tire slippage.

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The B-body Impala SS and Panther-based Marauder are big simple engines in big simple cars. There's nothing wrong with that at all, especially for what they cost. I like them for their LACK of sophistication. There's something refreshing about starting a car, hitting the throttle, and taking off without a mainframe's level of computing doing all the work.

The Saturn Aura XR I rented will piss on the Q from 0-60, but the Q will do it with precision. Heck, even my Escalade will outrun certain model years of G50 and Y33 off the line.

There's much faster cars, but the Q's magic is in how it blends style, refinement, and comfort.

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is this how u do it

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But the slow shifts don't make it smooth, they make it jerky. I'm not asking for an F1 shift, and you're just a smartass trying to save face. Move on.

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my 95 beater seems to shift pretty smooth, but smooth or not. i can at least tell the difference between what makes a car fast or slow (gearing, not a shift).

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Ever since I put my new Tokico shocks on...

1st gear went from super snappy - a near snappy shift with some lag also some engine decel - still a quick shift

2nd gear went from shift+.5second lag+finish shift - a small jolt feeling, much quicker and no more feeling of no acceleration after the shift.

3rd-4th are all so so.

Nobody ever told me new shocks will help the transmission shift smoother and more precise.

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Yeah....and I ate chinese yesterday at P.F.Changs and my MAF started acting up, nobody told me the Q doesnt like chinese food!

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qship96 wrote:Yeah....and I ate chinese yesterday at P.F.Changs and my MAF started acting up, nobody told me the Q doesnt like chinese food!
Sure doens't like Chinese bulbs!

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jimbyjimb wrote:That isn't what I meant at all. Gears can be altered. The transmission sucks because it takes ten minutes to shift from one gear to another. Slower shift times mean more lag and more clutch wear. And that stupid lurchy feeling from a slow shift. A transmission swap is an ordeal, gear swaps aren't.
Jim, you've got some serious transmission problems. Go ride in a like OEM new one.

Slap in a remanufactured one while you still have the lift, transmission jack and strong friends.

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No, I doubt there is anything wrong with it. I'm used to TH350's with kits and old Fords. That's a shift you can feel. I've driven several vehicles in this price range and most have the granny shift. I understand why, I just think it sucks. Downshifts are terrible. It's a matter of preference. I know when a transmission is misbehaving, this one can't help being the way it is. Which is fine enough for average driving. It really only bothers me on the very rare occasion I accelerate hard.

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I was never debating that issue. It is a fact that shift time is a factor in performance, however, that wasn't why I was stating my distaste for the Q shift. You must sink in water. Your density surpasses lead.


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