Nissans fastest car?

Post by **implict** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 9:03 am

There was a HUGE argument over gm vs honda.... then GM decided to pick on nissan.... so this is basically what he has said....

"ok, there is the company that sorta "beefs up" Vettes and other cars for GM called Lingenfelter..so ok lets compair the Nissan Skyline GT-R (90,000$ car shipped) to a Corvette Lingenfelter (100,000$)

Corvette Lingenfelter HP = 889 @ 5600rpm - 1/4 time = 9.1Nissan Skyline GT-R HP = 280 @6800rpm - 1/4 time = 13.7

hmm they both have twin turbo just one is a V8 and one is an inline 6, and ok i realize this is compairing a I6 - V8 but both these cars are top of their class..and that skylines 1/4 time is equal to that of a STOCK! Trans AM WS6 so i wounder how those people feel that just go out and spend 90k$ on a car and then see a car that cost 25k$ ride right next to them in a race...GM IS BETTER!!! "

Is the skyline really our top class car????

Post by **1dollar240** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 9:03 am

skyline will last a couple hundred k miles, chevy might be lucky to see 100k. ive owned gm's and imports and the quality and thought that goes into the design of my nissan far exceeds that of any gm car ive driven.

Post by **I H8 UR DSM** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 9:03 am

kinda, but no..you cant compare a stock skyline vs. a modified corvette....IF you want, what you do, is put Motorex' highest package vs. the Lingenfelter vette...the Motorex skyline package includes an awd gtr with over 1000 Wheel Horse Power...CARB LEGAL.....

speedvision stated that the motorex gtr was the Most Wheel hp available on a street legal car sold in North America...and as far as i know, the vette isnt over 1000hp

Post by **I H8 UR DSM** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 9:03 am

oh, and the Top Secret GTR went over 214mph in austrailia, not bad for a street legal car....

Post by **I H8 UR DSM** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 9:03 am

oh, and btw they are talking about sending their vettes to a tuning company, and having the car modified, since the GTR is a japanese car, and u can choose who to send the car to be modified by, you can send it top secret or something, and have a 1000whp car made without much problem....and its awd (again) : )

Post by **APEXi240** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 9:03 am

Yeah is the Lingfellar Vette street legal? Because if its not, then why would you compare it to a legal Skyline? Import it illegally (or as a track only car, or whatever) and them match performance with pricing ect...

This is a stupid comparison. There is an article on the front page here where a Skyline did the Super Tuner Challenge or whatever and was second....BEHIND A SUPRA....not behind a Viper, or Vette or anything.

Post by **I H8 UR DSM** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 9:03 am

yes, like i said, you or anyone would have a tuff time finding a car that is CARB legal, and can beat the gtr in any of the testing , and yeild over 1000hp at the wheels, and yes, that is for under 100k from MOtorex. : )

Post by **Dano** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 9:03 am

crazy stuff.... if they modded a corvette, y wouldnt they put it up against a modded GT-R???

-Dan

Post by **SilviaLuvr** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 9:03 am

yeah the Lingfellar Vette is street legal heres three skylines (blitz, gtr, and grt nur http://www.supercars.net/Comp?...0-438

Post by **Two-Forty** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 9:03 am

Japan=Fine TuningUS=Big displacement

Now if you take Japan's tuning abilities and crack up a couple more liters, and more cylinders, then god knows how many ponies will be emerged. Comparing car there's alot of things to consider:

PriceDisplacementWeightCylindersDrivetrainetc..

There's alot more than just oh I pick this car because I like it and it can beat whatever car you like. Me and my friends argue like this all the time and whenever I tell him about the price difference he knows he's wrong. But damn I would pick the r34gtr vspec 2 over any american ANY DAY even if it is a viper. But if a Mclaren is in the list I would no doubt pick that. Let me dream a lil bit.

Post by **RykrosGT** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 9:03 am

That's the price for exclusivity.

Plus, your talking about an imported vehicle, here. How much would a modified R34 cost in Japan?

That's not a very fair comparison at all

Post by **TrueSlide** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 9:03 am

Thats a gay comparison, due to the fact when you buy a skyline, you have to pay all the importing costs, etc. etc. but when you buy a american ****box, no importing fees.

Post by **not_a_porsche** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 9:03 am

The Lingenfelter I believe he is referring to is a one off. It was made for 1 guy and it's a 427ci Twin Turbo.

To compare it to a stock Skyline is ludicrous.

Motor Trend TV featured that car pitted against an F-18 Hornet and that's probably where they guy saw it.

It's odd that American car huggers get off on seeing their cars pitted against jets. But these are the same guys who race lawn mowers so I guess I shouldsn't be surprised.

Post by **KRPSICHI3** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 9:03 am

I drove many cars in my life. The fastest car I ever drove was my friends GTR he has Head work, Computer tune, and two 25 30 Turbochargers 650 HP I didn't even push the petal to the floor and that car was moving. They are fast cars some of the fastest on this planet bar none.

Post by **SSal007** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 9:03 am

Comparing a THE Skyline GTR to a corvette? Implict, you must have been suffering from dehydration or something from stopping your brain cells to be functioning properly. The Skyline GTR is a monster that that me along with thousands of street racers rather not see racing against us. Capable of pushing more than a 1000 hp at the wheels and AWD speaks for itself. The vette sucks in handling, no question about it. You try taking a sharp turn at at least 60mph with a vette and you'll see what i mean if you survive in the hospital. Even if some american cars are good in the quarter mile, i still wouldn't buy them cause they're quality sucks!!!

Post by **wingzero** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 9:03 am

SSal007 wrote: The Skyline GTR is a monster that that me along with thousands of street racers rather not see racing against us.

Not putting down the skyline, but would you race a corvette? Those things aren't slow........

Post by **zachosz** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 9:03 am

And who told you corvettes can't handle??? Corvettes are one of the best handling cars on the road, they will keep up with Ferraris and Porsches, and they run 12's stock! I don't know about the Lingefelder, maybe it has a drag suspension, but a stock Vette is a REALLY tough act to follow.

I'm not a Vette fanatic, i just consider them to be a supercar at a fraction of the cost, and have tremendous respect for them.

As far as the original topic, those people are comparing apples and oranges. It is a totally unfair comparison, since the GT-R is probably a lot cheaper in Japan. If we paid the same prize as the Japanese and then spent the rest of the money on upgrades, i think it would be a much closer race.....

BTW, I have a video clip of the Veilside R33 GT-R doing 13.3 sec from 0-300kph or ~187mph), let's show them Chevy boys the video and see what they think

Post by **zachosz** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 9:03 am

Also, the fastest car Nissan produced would be the R390, for a cool million.

Post by **Megaseth** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 9:03 am

Yeah, i was gonna say that. If you really want to go head to head, put the ligenfelter vette against a R390. the ligenfelter isnt a one off, you can have one built for you.

Post by **big jon's 240** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 9:03 am

That vette was a one off, and i believe it was more tlike 160,000 or 180. Now i shure if you went back to lingenfelter with that much dough, he'd build another one in a heartbeat. But what are the odd's of you running into the TT vette guy? i bet he doesnt even drive the damn thing. I'll take the skyline anyday. Although at least in the vette i could sit on the right (left) side of the car, have any of you ever actually driven on the wroing side of the car? it sucks!

Post by **implict** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 9:03 am

i didnt say that.... some one at school that owns a satrum is talkn **** about how that vett could kill the skyline.. thats all.

Post by **Exar-Kun** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 9:03 am

the vette can, but the vette is UBER modded. and the skyline doesnt cost 90k in japan.

a better/more fair comparission would be taking the blitz/Veilside twin turbo 850-1300hp skylines in japan and have THOSE race the vette, sing as how its a modified contest and all.

the skyline would demolish that vette, especially in top end. veilsides 1118hp skyline Gt-R set the under 5000cc land speed record about 2-3 years( I think) back in a R34. and the total build up cost was about 130k I think.

I love how people compare cars unfairly to try and win an argument. it'd like comparing the ruf turbo R porshe to the stock skyline because you want to say the porshe is better, but with wimilar mods, the skyling would light it up.

anyways, no the Gt-R is NOT nissans fastest stock car, and the lingenfelter vette is FAR FROM FACTORY GM. GM doesnt even make anything CLOSE. what a ****ing nimrod comparisson.

the r390GT is nissan fastest production car, twin turbo V-8, top speed in excess of 220mph, did 0-60 in something like 3 seconds flat.

either way, its a stupid, flawed comparison test, geared so some ignorant american enthusiest can say skylines suck. iots called "affirming your own beliefs", much like repeating that the type-R integra sucks becase, blah blah blah...the fact is, if you look at the comparisons, its usually not fair, and geared toward the favored car.

bleh.-chet

Post by **Onizuka** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 9:03 am

by the way, you can get a skyline with left hand drive. there is a company called skyline motors that sells a conversion kit in the US, i saw one of there cars on speedvision.

also, GTRs are about 50,000 in japan i belive.

I wouldnt mind having any skyline. i plan on eventually getting a R32 skyline gts. You can pick on of those up for a cool 24-25K fully legelized, probably even cheaper...

Post by **SSal007** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 9:03 am

corvette z06s run 12s, not just stock corvettes. And who said they can handle? My friend TJ totalled his vette against a race involving a suped up civic. To say the vette is one of the best handling cars on the road is just unthinkable. Do any of watch the lemans races? How many times has that yellow corvette even reached the top 5. Last time i know was bout a year ago. The audi S4, BMW M3, porsche 911 turbo, mazda Rx-7, Mitsibishi Lancer Evolution VII, and nissan s15 silvia are, in my opinion, the best handling cars out there. No american cars deserve this list.

Post by **Exar-Kun** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 9:03 am

mario andretti agrees. I think the vette is a well handling car, but it feels...odd to say the least, as every corvette has that I've driven(a Zr1, z06, c5, and c4) overall grip is good but it feels slow through a turn and very twitchy sometimes....

-chetmy personall favorite handling car is a Rx7 twin turbo or a ferrari f355(havent driven a 260 modena yet..)

Post by **Jimmy** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 9:03 am

You guys have got to be kidding! In any race with unlimited resources the car with the higher cubic inches will ALWAYS win! The C5R has won Lemans. The ZO6 has won countless solo and road racing victories in SCCA, NASA, Grand-Am, drag racing, etc. Where in the U.S. has the Skyline proven anything? If a company were to strap the same size turbo or supercharger or NOS kit on the Skyline or the ZO6, the result would be the same, bye bye Skyline. It doesn't matter what the price tag, these cars just don't compare. The Porsche GT3 runs in GT for a reason, and the Corvette C5R runs in GTS for a reason. Where is the skyline? Nice car, but show my why we could even consider it to be a Corvette competitor? The court of opinion goes just so far, where is the proof?

Post by **InstantRice** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 9:03 am

you said naaawwwwws instead of nitrous there for these comments are striken from the record, continue.

Post by **Megaseth** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 9:03 am

Jimmy, I'd like to inform you that you are making an assumption about the track record of the skyline. the car was banned from racing cause it was too good. after adding weight, restrictions on the motor and various other limitations, all resulting in the same outcome, a win for car, it was banned. dont make ignorant statements on a board full of Nissan enthusists.

Post by **mattback** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 9:03 am

fastest nissna stock ?

r390.

Post by **wingzero** » Thu Dec 12, 2002 9:03 am

Jimmy wrote:You guys have got to be kidding! In any race with unlimited resources the car with the higher cubic inches will ALWAYS win! The C5R has won Lemans. The ZO6 has won countless solo and road racing victories in SCCA, NASA, Grand-Am, drag racing, etc. Where in the U.S. has the Skyline proven anything? If a company were to strap the same size turbo or supercharger or NOS kit on the Skyline or the ZO6, the result would be the same, bye bye Skyline. It doesn't matter what the price tag, these cars just don't compare. The Porsche GT3 runs in GT for a reason, and the Corvette C5R runs in GTS for a reason. Where is the skyline? Nice car, but show my why we could even consider it to be a Corvette competitor? The court of opinion goes just so far, where is the proof?

"Higher" cubic inches? I believe you meant greater displacement, and if that's your belief, then you've obviously never heard of rotary engines, ever get burned by a 1.3 liter engine?(God that's even smaller than my civics, so it must suck)

As for the Skyline "proving" anything in the U.S, that's kind of a tough task since the car was never sold in the U.S market, go to Japan and say the same thing, people will stuff wasabe in your ears and nostrils, it has its own class in the JGTC. So you don't think the skyline could compare to the corvette? I dunno, why don't you go ask like the 5 or 6 million people and tuners who built like 700+ hp skylines with *stock* internals? Even 700hp is kind of low for a skyline. And for a car that's been a champ at the drag strip and circuit, it sure costs a hell of a lot less than a vette to modify(what's that tt kit for the vette cost, like 25k?), not to mention it also costs relatively less to purchase one, even in america, you can buy an R32 Gt-s for under 20k from motorex I believe. I think vettes are awesome cars, but thats just a really ignorant statement, I understand your a newbie and everything, but come on man, don't say stupid things without any proof.

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