Nissans fastest car?

[nlzmo400r]

This has got to be the most ignorant, full of misinformation, and opinionated thread I have ever seen.

Ligenfelter a one off???????????????Not streetable???????????$40k viper??????????C5R not winning in lemans???????????Comparing a C5 to a skyline in performance?????????

Z06 = 50k in USGTR = 50k in japan

Z06 = Supercar registryGTR = not

Z06 = 12.4 in 1/4GTR = R33 = 14.0 R34 = 13.7

Z06 = 1G handlingGTR = R33 = 0.94G R34 = 0.88G

Z06 = 4.1 - 0-60mphGTR = 4.9

Z06 = 180mph top speedGTR = 155mph

Yeah, you could build the **** outa both these cars, but stock for stock? Come on, these are all facts. If you can't acknowledge these facts, then you're just being predjudice.

I would take a GTR first, but that's only because of how much I like them and how rare they are here. I think the corvette deserves it's hard earned respect. It is the most affordable car in the supercar registry.

agreed

[Onizuka]

dear lord why do people revive these 10 month old threads? :rolleyes

[GELLIS2586]

Cause when your board and have nothing to do but look at old threads you sometimes gotta comment just in case someone is board and doin the same thing you are. It is my fault for starting it up again. So you can flame me now.

The zo6 is a badass car so is the gtr but its apples to oranges. So why argue over it. Just admit both of the cars are bad a$$.

[SkylineDriven]

You guys are forgetting the #1 reason why the Skyline seemingly "sucks" at stock specs.... does the magical 280HP number ring a bell for anyone? Every notice why in Japan... Evo's, RX-7's, Skylines, NSX's and any other fast car there is always 280HP.... everything in Japan is highly regulated. Cars are limited in output to 280HP... and how then do they get to that number? It's easy... its called factory detuning. Ever wonder why if you do any mod to a Skyline, you suddenly gain like an insane amount of HP? Its that detuning. You are just bringing it back to original spec and beyond, which accounts for the gains.

In the US of A, we don't have the government regulating power output. That's why the Vette is so powerful in its stock form. The Vette is very cheap to produce, is very fast, and handles extremely well at the track. I will give it that.... call me a GM hater, but I would rather have a Skyline, RX-7, or Porsche GT2, than a Vette any day.

I say, detune the Vette to 280HP and bring it to Japan. Let's see how well it does there on the circuit track. Then you can have a "stock vs stock" comparison.

[NeverEnuff]

Lambo is owned by Chrysler

hmm i thot that lambo was owned by VW

[tl1000sga]

You guys are forgetting the #1 reason why the Skyline seemingly "sucks" at stock specs.... does the magical 280HP number ring a bell for anyone? Every notice why in Japan... Evo's, RX-7's, Skylines, NSX's and any other fast car there is always 280HP.... everything in Japan is highly regulated. Cars are limited in output to 280HP... and how then do they get to that number? It's easy... its called factory detuning. Ever wonder why if you do any mod to a Skyline, you suddenly gain like an insane amount of HP? Its that detuning. You are just bringing it back to original spec and beyond, which accounts for the gains.

In the US of A, we don't have the government regulating power output. That's why the Vette is so powerful in its stock form. The Vette is very cheap to produce, is very fast, and handles extremely well at the track. I will give it that.... call me a GM hater, but I would rather have a Skyline, RX-7, or Porsche GT2, than a Vette any day.

I say, detune the Vette to 280HP and bring it to Japan. Let's see how well it does there on the circuit track. Then you can have a "stock vs stock" comparison.

That "regulation" is more of an agreement to keep from a HP war, it is not a law. Actually, The USA has way more restrictions than japan, that's why they get all the good cars. It costs way more to build cars here because of these restrictions and other reasons. Those "regulations" are basically just for HP ratings and not actual power. The supras and skylines are well known to actually produce closer to 320 HP, they're not actually detuned.

[tl1000sga]

dear lord why do people revive these 10 month old threads? :rolleyes

Sorry J-spec, I was bored when I came across this post, but all the misinformation really got to me. :rant

[Onizuka]

hehe, i dont mind, just my old posts make me sound like a jackarse who doesnt know anything (well, still true) :icesangel

[Ceptos]

http://www.automotivearticles....0.htm

http://www.ultimatecarpage.com...=1510

was looking for stuff on the r390, it seems to have done well at Le Mans, took 4 of the top 10 one year. heh, 300zx headlights.

[tl1000sga]

R390........:drooling

[MainEvent212]

i believe audi bought lambo actually

and the R34 GTR tuned to it's peak specs as opposed to the de-tuned factory specs, versues a stock Z06 would be an interesting and EVEN race...i beileve on a road course the R34 would win due to more dynamic handling capabilities...the ATTESSA AWD system is incredibly flexable as well as the 4WS that allows it more forgiveness in the twisties...

and saying anyone but the drift king himself was driving that GT-R at it's limit through some hardcore twisties...i think they'd need those computer systems...while the vette on the other hand...do they even have a very complex Traction Control system?

[GELLIS2586]

The vette has a pretty good one. You can change how the transmission ditributes power inside the cabin. Theres normal, then like aggressive and a step above. Its just some button behind the shifter that you can change it you just push it once or twice to change the specs. It also adjusts the shocks in the zo6 and the 50th anniversary because the have those magnetic shocks that are freakin awesome. I saw a video of a regular vette versus a 50th anniversary on like big dips and turns with bumps in them. The magnetic ride shocks just kept the tires on the ground and the car flat while the regular gas shocks let it bounce more and it was less stable on the bumps. The vette has some pretty sweet suspension stuff in it.

[tl1000sga]

i believe audi bought lambo actually

and the R34 GTR tuned to it's peak specs as opposed to the de-tuned factory specs, versues a stock Z06 would be an interesting and EVEN race...i beileve on a road course the R34 would win due to more dynamic handling capabilities...the ATTESSA AWD system is incredibly flexable as well as the 4WS that allows it more forgiveness in the twisties...

and saying anyone but the drift king himself was driving that GT-R at it's limit through some hardcore twisties...i think they'd need those computer systems...while the vette on the other hand...do they even have a very complex Traction Control system?

Do you know anything about vettes? Yes they have a very complex traction control system, and it can be turned off for more fun. The vette is considered a supercar for a reason. Yes, if you tuned a skyline to its peak specs it would destroy a stock vette, but why would you do that? The skyline is not detuned from the factory, only rated lower. Stock to stock, a Z06 will destroy a skyline in every performance aspect. Handling?? The best handling GTR, which was the R33, can hold .94 G's while the Z06 was built to do atleast 1G. And on a road course, it's well known that rear wheel drive cars handle better than all-wheel drive cars. Next you'll be trying to tell me that Nissan detuned the suspension on the GTR.:rolleyes

[IneedMoney]

sorry if this has already been posted im :beer :bearchug not :bonghit but in japan the sykline is around 56 to 60 G that makes them in the same class

skylines rule and i love them more then my loveable corvette (i would still get a vette because there ceaper then a vette in the usa ) rum good

[nlzmo400r]

lambo is owned by audi, and audi is owned by vw

[NeverEnuff]

lambo is owned by audi, and audi is owned by vw

thot so thay also own bugati you seen that car with w16 turbo 1000 hp awd street car

[D-UNIT]

If a 11.4sec 627hp mclaren f1 can dursh a 1300 hp veilside supra , why couldn't a 9.5sec 725hp corvette dursh a 1000hp skyline on street tires?? It can hit 230+mph!!

http://www.lingenfelter.com/pac725ttls1y.asp

Also you think 1200 hp top secret engines are cheap? I don't think so. Single turbo rb26 upgrade is almost $8,000. Just to get a stupid front bumper from mr. Nagata (i love him!!) cost $1250. Front mount is over $2000.and for the naysayers for $150,000 one off dollars , you could get 1100hp. 8sec. power. Tell steve p. to suck on this corvette's stock body and suspension.

http://www.lingenfelter.com/LPEinmedia.asp click on "worlds fastest street corvette" Read up.

And you might as well like it. cuz its what your country has to represent to the world!! Just test drive one(stock). for the money there is no better deal. 12sec with warraty anyone!! this comparo would be much more fair if the corvette was 4w drive or the skyline was 2w drive then what could you say!?!

[tl1000sga]

YEAH!!!!!!:boink

[nlzmo400r]

thot so thay also own bugati you seen that car with w16 turbo 1000 hp awd street car

yea ive seen the car, but i dont like it at all, its just not my style, looks too luxurious, and a huge w12, the car has got to weigh a zillion lbs, ill take my pagani zonda anyday (for Ferrari F5o!)

[thephatone]

hmm, didnt that one british dude pull off 1G+ on the R34? i saw the video somewhere, and for the guy who said a single turbo upgrade is 8,000 um....yeah no not 8k front mounts arent 2k, and who da fuk cares about the front bumper? let put it this way

stock r34T88 greddy single turbo upgrade1400cc injectors270 HKS camslightweight pulleysported and matched everythingstand alone motec management3.5 inch turbo back custom exhaustJIC or TEIN coilovershuge 3 core 5 inch thick intercooler custom endtanksmaybe forged pistons, sleeves etc...hydraulic valves, valve guides (your probably wondering what the hell they are)and we have ourselves a 1000hp skyline that will handle =Dand cost about 20k in parts and labor on top of the skyline initial cost which is 36k USD ( suprisingly my aunt owns one in japan of course ), and we can do bucket seats, stripped interior, and cant forget the cooling system, 3 core aluminum radiator, all stainless steel lines, and some 15in rotors with 8 calipers, hmm lets see...whos faster?

take a stock z06 60k after taxes, liscense etc...take it to lingenfelter or your own preference of shopsforged internals, some huge *** injectors and a massive fuel pump, stand alone engine management, single huge T88 size turbo, etc... same setup as skyline just all domestic, suspension wise and such

ahh crap the corvette still has 3.2 more liters and 2 more damn cylinders, and they both perform about the same, just live with it, japanese cars will be helluva fast but so will domestics, just that these RICE rockets have an edge over you domestic import hating guys

btw, that bugatti has 1001 hp and is quad turbod!

[Onizuka]

the bottom line is, any of these cars will give you the:

OH SHlT

fealing we are all looking for

[k-mart]

corvette are just dressed up camaros

One of the stupidest things ever said on the internet.

[tl1000sga]

hmm, didnt that one british dude pull off 1G+ on the R34? i saw the video somewhere, and for the guy who said a single turbo upgrade is 8,000 um....yeah no not 8k front mounts arent 2k, and who da fuk cares about the front bumper? let put it this way

stock r34T88 greddy single turbo upgrade1400cc injectors270 HKS camslightweight pulleysported and matched everythingstand alone motec management3.5 inch turbo back custom exhaustJIC or TEIN coilovershuge 3 core 5 inch thick intercooler custom endtanksmaybe forged pistons, sleeves etc...hydraulic valves, valve guides (your probably wondering what the hell they are)and we have ourselves a 1000hp skyline that will handle =Dand cost about 20k in parts and labor on top of the skyline initial cost which is 36k USD ( suprisingly my aunt owns one in japan of course ), and we can do bucket seats, stripped interior, and cant forget the cooling system, 3 core aluminum radiator, all stainless steel lines, and some 15in rotors with 8 calipers, hmm lets see...whos faster?

take a stock z06 60k after taxes, liscense etc...take it to lingenfelter or your own preference of shopsforged internals, some huge *** injectors and a massive fuel pump, stand alone engine management, single huge T88 size turbo, etc... same setup as skyline just all domestic, suspension wise and such

ahh crap the corvette still has 3.2 more liters and 2 more damn cylinders, and they both perform about the same, just live with it, japanese cars will be helluva fast but so will domestics, just that these RICE rockets have an edge over you domestic import hating guys

btw, that bugatti has 1001 hp and is quad turbod!

That was stupid, you can make anything fast. When it comes to performance, all that matters is how much money you put in to it.That's why we were keeping it to factory performance specs. We were comparing FACTS not heresay. I doubt anybody "hates" skylines, I personally love them. And what is this "edge" you claim imports have? Sounds to me more like your just some biased domestic hater. If that's the case, there's plenty of other posts where someone might actually care about your opinion.:rolleyes

[D-UNIT]

hmm, didnt that one british dude pull off 1G+ on the R34? i saw the video somewhere, and for the guy who said a single turbo upgrade is 8,000 um....yeah no not 8k front mounts arent 2k, and who da fuk cares about the front bumper?

I said from http://www.TOPSECRETjpn.com Nagatasan is the man!!!!

Where a fully built skyline engine FROM THEM probably costs $20,000+! I personally love skylines and I love corvettes too. Give me any one of those and I would kiss you!!:D

I just got two questions::thinker

a) you never mentioned rims or tires - Rims 3000+ easy , tires 1000 easy. hope you don't plan on running on the rotors. or the stock rims and tires! This is the real world. stuff isn't cheap!!

b) how do you plan on making our beloved 1400cc fed 8 sec. Skyline street legal. We're not hitting 8's with a cat and full exhuast , no way. No cat = no smog test passage. Not fun having a cool a$$ 90,000 dollar car that you can't drive on the street. I just saw a full race , fully gutted out , race gas drinking , rwd skyline on huge slicks bust a 8.95@160mph.

come on now. That corvette has a full interoir , AC , DOT drag radials , drinks 91 oct. , and is smog legal (Full Exhuast) and it busts 8's. Wake up and smell the tire smoke!!

Just Imagine a full tilt , gutted out C5TT. Can we say low 7's , high 6's. Jeez. Long live the Skyline ( I WANT ONE --- well at least the engine-- haha) just atleast give the Corvette it's hard earned props. Fives a charm!!:ylsuper

[tl1000sga]

Nicely put, but I think you'd be better off telling that to a brick wall than this biased, unrespecting, domestic hater.:uzi2

[thephatone]

thats exactly what im trying to say, you can make any car fast, comparing stock skyline and stock z06 cant be done, why? they fall in different price ranges, as for lingenfelter taking 91 octane? i dont know but civics with swaps on turbo pushing more than 14 psi cant use that...i dont know guys

[nlzmo400r]

with money time and knowledge,any car will be very fast

[McAdam]

yes, with enough time and money, you could break 9's in a yugo. Now, you're talking apples and oranges here. I am not a domestic hater, perse, but I dont have that much respect for them. I mean, common, CHevy has been in business building cars for how long and they JUST (as in, last decade) phazed out the infamous 2.5L? People in this thread have been saying well, what if the you gave the corvette AWD like the skyline has? Fair enuff, then put in a TT version of nissans new 5.6L endurance V8 into the skyline. If you really want to even things up, that is. The 'vette is doing things I never thought possible with a old school pushrod motor. the new Z06 is pumping out, what 400 and still meeting smog? thats pretty good. you also gotta give credit to the RB26DETT. common, a 2.6L motor that you can scrape 1200RWHP out of? how bout the attessa AWD system, or the 4WS? And, even tho nissan isn't number one in the industry in interiors, they still have chevy beat. I used to work at a chevy dealership, the vette interior is only one step up from the camaro. plastic garbage. very basic, very dis tasteful plastic garbage.

AS far as nissans fastest car, I would have to say the R390 GT1. or, the old school R383. common, a 6.0L race V12 that put down 660hp with mechanical FI in the late 60's? thats bad ***.

McAdam

I'l just stick to my 240Z. I like that.

[nlzmo400r]

actualy i hear the new c6 corvettes will have a 6.1 liter v8 and it will rev to something like 8k! with maximum power coming at 7k o rso. The zo6 is scheduled to have 5oohp or so, while the normal c6 will have 4o, not bad at all in my book

[swifty949]

okay this conversation is dumb. i've been watching it for a few days now. There is a lot of misinformation on this thread. For exampleVeilside has the top speed record, not Top Secret. Top Secret holds 0 records. Veilside holds 3. If you want to buy the motor that got veilside 3 world records, it's about $80,000 just for the motor. Also the veilside supra vs the mclaren. The supra has 800hp, and was filmed back in 97. Not bad for 800hp.

Does Litgenfelter run top speed? If so what is their official top speed MPH? You cannot compare the cars on the same principles.