mookeeh coilovers??
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barrigas14
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bumpermatic
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I'm glad I found this thread, cause I was so itching to jump on that group buy. After reading thru this, I did some checking on google, and K Sport doesn't show up anywhere, and the only place D2 Coilovers show up, is some dude with a Legacy who said he had major issues during install, and then he noticed one of them was leaking oil or something.
http://www.legacycentral.org
Click on Library, and read the D2 Install and Prelude to Tein...
http://www.legacycentral.org
Click on Library, and read the D2 Install and Prelude to Tein...
bumpermatic wrote:I'm glad I found this thread, cause I was so itching to jump on that group buy. After reading thru this, I did some checking on google, and K Sport doesn't show up anywhere, and the only place D2 Coilovers show up, is some dude with a Legacy who said he had major issues during install, and then he noticed one of them was leaking oil or something.
http://www.legacycentral.org
Click on Library, and read the D2 Install and Prelude to Tein...
But remember, this was on his legacy. The model he bought was for an impreza. Legacys are much heavier. If he got the proper set, he probably wouldn't have had problems. Also, d2 did some changes to their setups because this guy's set was 25 way adj damping. The ones on that group buy are 36.
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crzycav86 wrote:But remember, this was on his legacy. The model he bought was for an impreza. Legacys are much heavier. If he got the proper set, he probably wouldn't have had problems. Also, d2 did some changes to their setups because this guy's set was 25 way adj damping. The ones on that group buy are 36.
He said they were meant for Impreza or Legacy Sedan, but he did install them on a Legacy Wagon, so point taken.
There are some distributors here in the US it seems (the key was to search for '"D2 Racing" coilovers'). Looks like they got stuff out for civics and tegs right now. This makes sense cause most of the cars they show on their racing team page are running civic hatches and imprezas.
I still can't find anything with regards to the K-Sport moniker.
Just not enuff info out there. Guess that's why the GB is in place, to get their name out and what not.
i bought into the group buy up here in canada, looking forward to getting the D2's.
i highly doubt that they are as bad as people say they are.
one reason they are so cheap is because we are not going through any middle men, they are coming right from D2.
when you buy you Tein or JIC (who also have many parts sourced in taiwan, korea etc.) from your local retailer, or even on-line retailer you are paying the 30-40% mark up imposed by everyone with distribution rights for a particular region.
eveyrone knows Tein falls in the middle of all the coil over set-ups and that they are not too much more than D2's, but those prices include the mark ups of every distributor along the product chain.
i dont track too often, but i get my organized drift on frequently, so long as these things are stiffer than my AGX's when i want them to be, and as streetable when they are supposed to be then what is the problem.
heck, the fact that these things come with camber plates and pillow ball mounts makes the coil-over free.....
and finally, the US loses tens of thousands of automotive jobs eveyr year to singapore, Korea, Taiwan etc..
in the coming year, almost every single component for our cars will be made in asia.
the products still meet US, Canadian, and Japanese standards for quality, obviously, or they wouldnt be sold here.
i imagine a couple seasons from now when the next small coil over manufacturer tries to get the word out, people will be comparing their products to established brands such as Apexi, JIC and then D2...
the products also come with a warranty that the initial receiver will be able to satisfy.
to all those that really think they are that bad, please reserve judgement until it is confirmed.
i highly doubt that they are as bad as people say they are.
one reason they are so cheap is because we are not going through any middle men, they are coming right from D2.
when you buy you Tein or JIC (who also have many parts sourced in taiwan, korea etc.) from your local retailer, or even on-line retailer you are paying the 30-40% mark up imposed by everyone with distribution rights for a particular region.
eveyrone knows Tein falls in the middle of all the coil over set-ups and that they are not too much more than D2's, but those prices include the mark ups of every distributor along the product chain.
i dont track too often, but i get my organized drift on frequently, so long as these things are stiffer than my AGX's when i want them to be, and as streetable when they are supposed to be then what is the problem.
heck, the fact that these things come with camber plates and pillow ball mounts makes the coil-over free.....
and finally, the US loses tens of thousands of automotive jobs eveyr year to singapore, Korea, Taiwan etc..
in the coming year, almost every single component for our cars will be made in asia.
the products still meet US, Canadian, and Japanese standards for quality, obviously, or they wouldnt be sold here.
i imagine a couple seasons from now when the next small coil over manufacturer tries to get the word out, people will be comparing their products to established brands such as Apexi, JIC and then D2...
the products also come with a warranty that the initial receiver will be able to satisfy.
to all those that really think they are that bad, please reserve judgement until it is confirmed.
bing wrote:i bought into the group buy up here in canada, looking forward to getting the D2's.
i highly doubt that they are as bad as people say they are.
I HIGHLY DOUBT THEY ARE AS GOOD AS PEOPLE SAY THEY ARE.
one reason they are so cheap is because we are not going through any middle men, they are coming right from D2.
ANOTHER REASON COULD BE THE REAL LOW MANUFACTURING COST THAT TAIWAN AND OFTEN CHINA HAVE, OFTEN REFLECTING ON POOR CRAFTSMANSHIP
when you buy you Tein or JIC (who also have many parts sourced in taiwan, korea etc.) from your local retailer, or even on-line retailer you are paying the 30-40% mark up imposed by everyone with distribution rights for a particular region.
TRUE, BUT LIKE I SAID, JAPAN AND THE US HAVE HIGHER MANUFACTURING COST WHICH OFTEN = BETTER QUALITY
eveyrone knows Tein falls in the middle of all the coil over set-ups and that they are not too much more than D2's, but those prices include the mark ups of every distributor along the product chain.
CAN'T SAY THEY ARE MUCH MORE THAN THE D2'S SINCE THERE IS NO HISTORY OF COMPARISON, THIS IS YOUR PERSONAL OPINION.
i dont track too often, but i get my organized drift on frequently, so long as these things are stiffer than my AGX's when i want them to be, and as streetable when they are supposed to be then what is the problem.
THE PROBLEM IS SAFETY, RELIABILITY, AND LIFE OF THE PRODUCT.
heck, the fact that these things come with camber plates and pillow ball mounts makes the coil-over free.....
PERHAPS, BUT WE HAVE TO SEE HOW GOOD CAMBER PLATES, ETC..ARE.
and finally, the US loses tens of thousands of automotive jobs eveyr year to singapore, Korea, Taiwan etc..
AGAIN, HYUNDAI AND KIA ARE NOT MY TOP PREFERENCES, AND I HAVE NOT SEEN THEM RELEASE A HIGH-END AUTOMOBILE YET.
in the coming year, almost every single component for our cars will be made in asia.
THAT'S HOW MERCANTILISM IS, IF YOU CAN GET CHEAPER LABOR COST FOR MAXIMUM PROFIT, WHY NOT USE IT? (THE DARK FACE OF CAPITALISM)
the products still meet US, Canadian, and Japanese standards for quality, obviously, or they wouldnt be sold here.
THAT'S FALSE, SINCE THEY DO NOT HAVE A JAPANESE, AMERICAN, OR CANADIAN DISTRIBUTOR THAT I'M AWARE OF. IN A WAY, YOU ARE JUST IMPORTING AN ASIAN PRODUCT, WHICH HASN'T BEEN TESTE YET.
i imagine a couple seasons from now when the next small coil over manufacturer tries to get the word out, people will be comparing their products to established brands such as Apexi, JIC and then D2...
PERHAPS YES, BUT PERHAPS NO. THE COMPANY WAS FOUNDED IN 1997, AND HASN'T HAD MUCH SUCCESS OUTSIDE OF SE ASIA FROM WHAT IT SEEMS
the products also come with a warranty that the initial receiver will be able to satisfy.
I DID NOT SEE THAT IN THE GROUP BUY, BUT ONE WILL EXPECT SO.
to all those that really think they are that bad, please reserve judgement until it is confirmed.
MY JUDGEMENT ONLY STARTED UNTIL THE SELLER RECOMMENDED THIS GROUPBUY. I WILL FIND REVIEWS IF NECESSARY TO CONFIRM THE QUALITY OF THE PRODUCTS, AND WILL USE OTHER PPL'S OPINIONS/SUSPICIONS TO CREATE A JUDGEMENT. THAT IS WHY I STARTED THIS DISCUSSION IN THIS THREAD, AND NOT THE GROUP BUY, BECAUSE I DID NOT WANT TO AFFECT THE SALES/JUDGEMENT OF OTHER PPL. WE CAN COMMENT ALL WE WANT, AFTERALL THIS IS WHAT THE FORUMS ARE FOR, AND WE ARE ONLY PASSING JUDGMENT/OPINION ON THIS ITEMS, NOT CONFIRMING ANYTHING, SO I DON'T SEE THE HARM IN THAT.
okay, you can calm down on the CAPS...
i dont really feel like arguing, but since you dont sound like you have any education...
Quote »CAN'T SAY THEY ARE MUCH MORE THAN THE D2'S SINCE THERE IS NO HISTORY OF COMPARISON, THIS IS YOUR PERSONAL OPINION.[/quote]http://www.modacar.com/
go to honda, go to civic, suspension, scroll...
D2 coil overs for honda civics, $899, the ones that are a part of this group buy..
i tried to direct link but it wont work, the site is being updated or just finicky..
either way when you compare the Tein with the D2 you will find that there are a few lines of Tein that are right in the same price range as the D2's.
This supplier would be getting them right form D2 as well, and not through a couple distributors like they do Tein.
Quote »AGAIN, HYUNDAI AND KIA ARE NOT MY TOP PREFERENCES, AND I HAVE NOT SEEN THEM RELEASE A HIGH-END AUTOMOBILE YET.[/quote]who said anything about about KIA and hyundai???
and hyundai is growing anyways, all american car companys are not... Ford LOST MONEY on absolutely every single car in it's line up last year except for the F150...
American Cars are famous the world over for not being very high quality.
the jobs that are heading over to asia are not assembly positions but manufacture of material imputs. Many of the electrical and small components in cars are made by smaller company's owned by asian companies and situated in the southern parts of asia.
for example, my buddy is an installer at Future Shop, he was putting an auto starter in a brand new FORD Windstar and pulled out a stock relay that said NISSAN on it... and it was made in Korea.
i bet some american used to make those things before it was found that the job could be done equally as poorly in another country for less.
and these pieces still have to meet spec for sale in the US and Canada, i wasnt talking about the D2's, technically all aftermarket suspensions are illegal anyways.
Quote »I DID NOT SEE THAT IN THE GROUP BUY, BUT ONE WILL EXPECT SO.[/quote]i have personally done business with one of the guys heading up this group buy and he is top notch, he will be fillign warranty claims. i have been in contact with D2 myself.
they will be shipping out 8% of stock in addition to the total order to fill claims in a timely manner.
if the order was larger, they have expressed that they are willing to ship extra crates of every spring rate that they offer so that if any one who buys wishes to run different spring rate, they may do so without having to wait for the srpings to be shipped overseas.
these sound like reasonable offers, made by a company looking to grow into new markets...
you nor anyone else who has not touched these things, shoudl reserve judgement..
true they may not be as good as Tein of JIC, but they may very well do the job that people are expecting them to do for thousands less..
and like i said, once a distributor gains exclusive rights and puts an add in SCC and Super street these thigns will costs twice the price, and there will be no more concerns over quality or whatever..
i dont really feel like arguing, but since you dont sound like you have any education...
Quote »CAN'T SAY THEY ARE MUCH MORE THAN THE D2'S SINCE THERE IS NO HISTORY OF COMPARISON, THIS IS YOUR PERSONAL OPINION.[/quote]http://www.modacar.com/
go to honda, go to civic, suspension, scroll...
D2 coil overs for honda civics, $899, the ones that are a part of this group buy..
i tried to direct link but it wont work, the site is being updated or just finicky..
either way when you compare the Tein with the D2 you will find that there are a few lines of Tein that are right in the same price range as the D2's.
This supplier would be getting them right form D2 as well, and not through a couple distributors like they do Tein.
Quote »AGAIN, HYUNDAI AND KIA ARE NOT MY TOP PREFERENCES, AND I HAVE NOT SEEN THEM RELEASE A HIGH-END AUTOMOBILE YET.[/quote]who said anything about about KIA and hyundai???
and hyundai is growing anyways, all american car companys are not... Ford LOST MONEY on absolutely every single car in it's line up last year except for the F150...
American Cars are famous the world over for not being very high quality.
the jobs that are heading over to asia are not assembly positions but manufacture of material imputs. Many of the electrical and small components in cars are made by smaller company's owned by asian companies and situated in the southern parts of asia.
for example, my buddy is an installer at Future Shop, he was putting an auto starter in a brand new FORD Windstar and pulled out a stock relay that said NISSAN on it... and it was made in Korea.
i bet some american used to make those things before it was found that the job could be done equally as poorly in another country for less.
and these pieces still have to meet spec for sale in the US and Canada, i wasnt talking about the D2's, technically all aftermarket suspensions are illegal anyways.
Quote »I DID NOT SEE THAT IN THE GROUP BUY, BUT ONE WILL EXPECT SO.[/quote]i have personally done business with one of the guys heading up this group buy and he is top notch, he will be fillign warranty claims. i have been in contact with D2 myself.
they will be shipping out 8% of stock in addition to the total order to fill claims in a timely manner.
if the order was larger, they have expressed that they are willing to ship extra crates of every spring rate that they offer so that if any one who buys wishes to run different spring rate, they may do so without having to wait for the srpings to be shipped overseas.
these sound like reasonable offers, made by a company looking to grow into new markets...
you nor anyone else who has not touched these things, shoudl reserve judgement..
true they may not be as good as Tein of JIC, but they may very well do the job that people are expecting them to do for thousands less..
and like i said, once a distributor gains exclusive rights and puts an add in SCC and Super street these thigns will costs twice the price, and there will be no more concerns over quality or whatever..
the caps were just to differentiate from your post, don't get pissy about it.
and the fact that the coilover are selling for 899$ doesn't make them as good as tein. The mookeeh coilovers I was asking about initially retail for 900 dollars, and I doubt they are any good.
The reason hyundai and kia are growing is due to the low price of their cars, which they can mass produce due to low labor cost. Of course the average buyer is going to go for the best "bang for the buck". Another reason is their excellent warranty, which in my opinion should be in every car now adays. This warranty however is a marketing move to get rid of the stigma that has plaged hyundai about their reliability. I sure as hell think they are getting better and will probably compete with the japanese in a few years, but not yet. I never denied the companies' growth, just their quality.
Sure, I know american cars are known to be as unreliable machines, but this is mainly in their electrical/suspension/dynamics department. V8's are extremely sturdy, and will last more than a lifetime. Besides, quality has been improving over the last few years. I don't deny that taiwan/korea/china/etc... are getting better at building elec. components, but it was about damn time don't you think? And you have to realize, that technology is improving, and the manufacturing equipment, which comes from the states (or the mayor country of production) can build stuff with a higher degree of quality.
And you keep comparing teins to the d2s. Remember, the tein basics (which compare in price) are the lowest of the lines tein offers. They do not include camber plates, or many other features. However, the d2s have camber plates and 36way adjustability, putting them on par with the high end teins and jics in terms of functionability. Something that in my opinion is very hard to achieve w/o sacrificing reliability and build quality.
Like i'm saying, when a product becomes famous, and starts getting popular, many SE asian countries see the trend and start pirating these products, not caring about consumer satisfaction, but profit.
Maybe it's not the case with these, maybe it is. That is why we pass judgement on an "unknown" product. Just like everyone else in these forums have passed judgement on upcoming turbokits, cars, and the like...
I understand that if I had bought a product that I thought was of good quality, and someone started criticizing it in a less then positive light, I too would feel the need to defend my purchase, and I feel that's exactly what you are doing here. I don't blame you, maybe you've made the purchase of the century, but maybe not...
and the fact that the coilover are selling for 899$ doesn't make them as good as tein. The mookeeh coilovers I was asking about initially retail for 900 dollars, and I doubt they are any good.
The reason hyundai and kia are growing is due to the low price of their cars, which they can mass produce due to low labor cost. Of course the average buyer is going to go for the best "bang for the buck". Another reason is their excellent warranty, which in my opinion should be in every car now adays. This warranty however is a marketing move to get rid of the stigma that has plaged hyundai about their reliability. I sure as hell think they are getting better and will probably compete with the japanese in a few years, but not yet. I never denied the companies' growth, just their quality.
Sure, I know american cars are known to be as unreliable machines, but this is mainly in their electrical/suspension/dynamics department. V8's are extremely sturdy, and will last more than a lifetime. Besides, quality has been improving over the last few years. I don't deny that taiwan/korea/china/etc... are getting better at building elec. components, but it was about damn time don't you think? And you have to realize, that technology is improving, and the manufacturing equipment, which comes from the states (or the mayor country of production) can build stuff with a higher degree of quality.
And you keep comparing teins to the d2s. Remember, the tein basics (which compare in price) are the lowest of the lines tein offers. They do not include camber plates, or many other features. However, the d2s have camber plates and 36way adjustability, putting them on par with the high end teins and jics in terms of functionability. Something that in my opinion is very hard to achieve w/o sacrificing reliability and build quality.
Like i'm saying, when a product becomes famous, and starts getting popular, many SE asian countries see the trend and start pirating these products, not caring about consumer satisfaction, but profit.
Maybe it's not the case with these, maybe it is. That is why we pass judgement on an "unknown" product. Just like everyone else in these forums have passed judgement on upcoming turbokits, cars, and the like...
I understand that if I had bought a product that I thought was of good quality, and someone started criticizing it in a less then positive light, I too would feel the need to defend my purchase, and I feel that's exactly what you are doing here. I don't blame you, maybe you've made the purchase of the century, but maybe not...
I'm not going to start tp tell the story of my friend and his Kia Crapia. The sephia is a total Mazda pirate job as are most of the Kia line. they may have someone make a purdy body for it but most of the driveline and supension is mazda knock-offs. He has a Miata engine in his car after the kia's one couldn't hold any oil. It's amazing how it fit just perfectly.
Taiwan is OWNED by china and only the finest crap comes from china.
If it's to good to be true it prolly is.
Taiwan is OWNED by china and only the finest crap comes from china.
If it's to good to be true it prolly is.
Just like to clarify something for your guys, well, not about the original topic but something about Political issue.
Well, Taiwan has never been OWNED BY China, at least Current Chinese Government or so called People Republic of China, PERIOD!
Current chinese government keep claiming that Taiwan is part of china is totally a false statement, because chinese government has Never Owned or officially ruled any piece of land in Taiwan since 1949. FYI, communists took over Mainland China in 1949. The same year, former chinese government retreated from China then started up a new government in Taiwan. They actually took over the control from Japanese governemnt since 1945. ( Taiwan was part of Japan between 1895-1945 as Ching lost the war to Japan in late 19th Century then gave away the Taiwan to Japan.
I am originally from Taiwan and grew up in there, Guess what I spent damn two years in Malitary service because I had to do my duty to DEFEND Taiwan from CHINA's attack !!Yes, Chinese government has been our enemy!
In addition, Chinese government is basically a communist !!However, Taiwan has been a democartic country.Somehow, the fact that most of countries in this world accpet that Taiwan is part of China is simply all the well-developed countries want to share chinese BIG MARKET!! Well, they are too big to ingore........It's kind of sad as a Taiwanese since current chinese govenment would do anything to threaten Taiwan unless We surrender.
BTW, FYI some might think that Taiwan would eventually be taken over by China just like Hong Kong, well that would not be the case as there was a treaty signed bewteen British Governemnt and Ching Dynasty more than hundred years ago. It's besically a leasing treaty between two countries. As far Taiwan, there is no such treaty existing between any party and Chinese governement. Well, most of people may not know that economy power of Taiwan is within Top 20 around the world. The average GDP is close to 20,000 US dollar which is more than 10 times than Chinese average !! Not saying most of electronic related products made in China were actually Taiwanese Owned Companies as labor there is Dirt Cheap.
I could go on and on but wouldn't keep going as it's too much to write.
Again, China does not own Taiwan. It's just they claim it all the time and most of people believe them. That's all.
Well, Taiwan has never been OWNED BY China, at least Current Chinese Government or so called People Republic of China, PERIOD!
Current chinese government keep claiming that Taiwan is part of china is totally a false statement, because chinese government has Never Owned or officially ruled any piece of land in Taiwan since 1949. FYI, communists took over Mainland China in 1949. The same year, former chinese government retreated from China then started up a new government in Taiwan. They actually took over the control from Japanese governemnt since 1945. ( Taiwan was part of Japan between 1895-1945 as Ching lost the war to Japan in late 19th Century then gave away the Taiwan to Japan.
I am originally from Taiwan and grew up in there, Guess what I spent damn two years in Malitary service because I had to do my duty to DEFEND Taiwan from CHINA's attack !!Yes, Chinese government has been our enemy!
In addition, Chinese government is basically a communist !!However, Taiwan has been a democartic country.Somehow, the fact that most of countries in this world accpet that Taiwan is part of China is simply all the well-developed countries want to share chinese BIG MARKET!! Well, they are too big to ingore........It's kind of sad as a Taiwanese since current chinese govenment would do anything to threaten Taiwan unless We surrender.
BTW, FYI some might think that Taiwan would eventually be taken over by China just like Hong Kong, well that would not be the case as there was a treaty signed bewteen British Governemnt and Ching Dynasty more than hundred years ago. It's besically a leasing treaty between two countries. As far Taiwan, there is no such treaty existing between any party and Chinese governement. Well, most of people may not know that economy power of Taiwan is within Top 20 around the world. The average GDP is close to 20,000 US dollar which is more than 10 times than Chinese average !! Not saying most of electronic related products made in China were actually Taiwanese Owned Companies as labor there is Dirt Cheap.
I could go on and on but wouldn't keep going as it's too much to write.
Again, China does not own Taiwan. It's just they claim it all the time and most of people believe them. That's all.
well, i had a chat with dave...from the legacy site...and this is what he had to say:
hiram987: u there?legacycentral: yeshiram987: hey, well just wondering about this particular companyhiram987: how have the co's performed in your opinion...?legacycentral: what?hiram987: the coilovers...I just emailed you legacycentral: i haven't used those in years, they were awfulhiram987: the d2s?legacycentral: yeshiram987: how were they awful in your opinion?legacycentral: springs were too short, the rebound and dampening was poor, it was an awful ridelegacycentral: and i blew at least two of themhiram987: I see, well I'm just glad I did not enter a groupbuy that so many ppl are going into... I was suspiscious from the beginning..legacycentral: group buy for the Subaru of Nissan?legacycentral: er, or Nissanhiram987: nissan..legacycentral: mehhiram987: from your experience, have you used other coilover brands...? how or to what did they compare, and what's the best coilover set you've had?legacycentral: Teinlegacycentral: i've had DMS 40s, didn't like themlegacycentral: the HA is the best coilover i've ever driven or been inhiram987: tein is best in your opinion or they compared to those?legacycentral: well, let's put it this way, there's a reason that something like %50 of the coilovers sold in Japan are TEINlegacycentral: they're goodlegacycentral: mine are over two years old and still work greathiram987: hehe...yeah my thoughts exactly..too bad they are an arm and a leg...hiram987: how long did the d2s last before they blew/started giving you problems?legacycentral: well, i had to mess with them to get them to fit right, then get better top mounts to make the bounce go away, then i just got fed up with the ride and ended up with the DMSlegacycentral: 9 monthslegacycentral: or sohiram987: ic...legacycentral: i can't say my experience with a low-production run of subaru coilovers will be the same as a much newer design three years laterhiram987: have you ever seen ppl buy used tein/jic/etc..(good) coilovers..and would you recommend it?legacycentral: i bought mine usedlegacycentral: and they're rebuildablehiram987: wow...and 2 years going strong....legacycentral: at least two yearslegacycentral: maybe threelegacycentral: actually, probably three or morelegacycentral: now that i think about ithiram987: I've seen several auctions/sales of used coilovers...but don't know how many miles/time of use is a good compromise...legacycentral: well, if the price is enough so that you can afford them, and they can be rebuilt later, then add that all up and compare it to a new setlegacycentral: i had to replace my spring collars when i got them, but that was pretty cheaphiram987: did you do the rebuilding yourself (have you done any) or took it/sent it to a shop?legacycentral: not yet, i need to get higher rate springslegacycentral: but they aren't leaking, and the ride is still fine, so i'm not going to worry about itlegacycentral: i have a place relatively local that is a TEIN dealerhiram987: that's good....well it's been good chatting to you and finding some info this way...perhaps i'll post this to warn some nissan users...legacycentral: good luck
his email is [email protected] and so is his yahoo messenger id..
hiram987: u there?legacycentral: yeshiram987: hey, well just wondering about this particular companyhiram987: how have the co's performed in your opinion...?legacycentral: what?hiram987: the coilovers...I just emailed you legacycentral: i haven't used those in years, they were awfulhiram987: the d2s?legacycentral: yeshiram987: how were they awful in your opinion?legacycentral: springs were too short, the rebound and dampening was poor, it was an awful ridelegacycentral: and i blew at least two of themhiram987: I see, well I'm just glad I did not enter a groupbuy that so many ppl are going into... I was suspiscious from the beginning..legacycentral: group buy for the Subaru of Nissan?legacycentral: er, or Nissanhiram987: nissan..legacycentral: mehhiram987: from your experience, have you used other coilover brands...? how or to what did they compare, and what's the best coilover set you've had?legacycentral: Teinlegacycentral: i've had DMS 40s, didn't like themlegacycentral: the HA is the best coilover i've ever driven or been inhiram987: tein is best in your opinion or they compared to those?legacycentral: well, let's put it this way, there's a reason that something like %50 of the coilovers sold in Japan are TEINlegacycentral: they're goodlegacycentral: mine are over two years old and still work greathiram987: hehe...yeah my thoughts exactly..too bad they are an arm and a leg...hiram987: how long did the d2s last before they blew/started giving you problems?legacycentral: well, i had to mess with them to get them to fit right, then get better top mounts to make the bounce go away, then i just got fed up with the ride and ended up with the DMSlegacycentral: 9 monthslegacycentral: or sohiram987: ic...legacycentral: i can't say my experience with a low-production run of subaru coilovers will be the same as a much newer design three years laterhiram987: have you ever seen ppl buy used tein/jic/etc..(good) coilovers..and would you recommend it?legacycentral: i bought mine usedlegacycentral: and they're rebuildablehiram987: wow...and 2 years going strong....legacycentral: at least two yearslegacycentral: maybe threelegacycentral: actually, probably three or morelegacycentral: now that i think about ithiram987: I've seen several auctions/sales of used coilovers...but don't know how many miles/time of use is a good compromise...legacycentral: well, if the price is enough so that you can afford them, and they can be rebuilt later, then add that all up and compare it to a new setlegacycentral: i had to replace my spring collars when i got them, but that was pretty cheaphiram987: did you do the rebuilding yourself (have you done any) or took it/sent it to a shop?legacycentral: not yet, i need to get higher rate springslegacycentral: but they aren't leaking, and the ride is still fine, so i'm not going to worry about itlegacycentral: i have a place relatively local that is a TEIN dealerhiram987: that's good....well it's been good chatting to you and finding some info this way...perhaps i'll post this to warn some nissan users...legacycentral: good luck
his email is [email protected] and so is his yahoo messenger id..
The spring rates were still higher than stock. The Suspension design of the two models is essentialy the same. The legacy just rides 2" higher than the Imprezza. My friend has a Forester and put Tein FLEX's from a WRX on it. It sits about 3" lower than stock. handles 10x better and the teins bolted right in.
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Nismo_Freak
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Nismo_Freak
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Well I have a set on the way to me. I know 2 people with them who have had em for some times and are VERY happy with them. S14 rates are 7/5 and they CAN be rebuilt for $30 a peice through Mookeeh in California. ANyhow for $800 with Tein camber plates up front, the fact that they have lower perches to adjust from (not affecting dampening adjustments) and not only are they rebuildable but they can be interchanged with other parts as its standard spring sizes.
I will do a little review of them after I receive them and put them on.
I will do a little review of them after I receive them and put them on.
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Onizuka
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I know alot of the earlier threads are old, but....
Isnt it funny that everyone thinks everything out of taiwan is crap when just 15 or 20 years ago everyone thought everyhting out of japan was crap? Now people look towards japan for the best in quality, and I believe that Taiwan is not far behind in acheiving this kind of reputation.
Isnt it funny that everyone thinks everything out of taiwan is crap when just 15 or 20 years ago everyone thought everyhting out of japan was crap? Now people look towards japan for the best in quality, and I believe that Taiwan is not far behind in acheiving this kind of reputation.
D-Spec Tuner wrote:I know alot of the earlier threads are old, but....
Isnt it funny that everyone thinks everything out of taiwan is crap when just 15 or 20 years ago everyone thought everyhting out of japan was crap? Now people look towards japan for the best in quality, and I believe that Taiwan is not far behind in acheiving this kind of reputation.
Preach on brotha.