blackieblack wrote:thats great that in your opinion its a reliable engine. idk one of my freinds or accuaintancesthat has a turbo charged engine and knows how to take care of it have problems. any engine , any car you dont take care of your going to have problems. my point was basically. if you want an ls1 setup. get a camaro. and its your car. do what ever you want. but think of the next time your hood is open cause your trying to showoff your setup to some fellow turners. you really belong with the muscle car scene. is your argument for your choice basically that you feel turbo charged is unreliable? then i really dont know what experience you have with turbo chargers. its a creative transplant. but its hardly something to dismiss practically good turbo intercooled engines for.
i never said turbocharged is unreliable. it just isnt AS reliable as an NA LSx. and for the SR or KA to have as much power as a LS1 the motors would have to be built and beat on harder thus making it more unreliable. of course i know about fully building the engine and blueprint and balancing and reflowing the head and all that. BUT with all that the wear and tear becomes even harsher and still would wear out faster than a stock LS1.
if you think that i'd belong with the muscle car then thats just your opinion which doesnt even matter. im just putting in my thoughts to this "debate".
i have built many turbo motors over in my time. lets just compare a well built turbo motor to a well built motor thats just rebuilt to stock specs but also balanced and blue printed. i have help build these for friends of mine. both motors would see the track once a week. its been 3 years and the turbo motor has had to be rebuilt once at around 160k (damn good to me) but the NA motor has over 300k miles on it now and still pulls like it did when we first dropped it in. now just think of it as an sr (turbo motor) vs the LS1 (NA motor stock spec'd)
turbo's dont always flow exactly the same all the time. they dont always maintain the same heat everytime. if you keep everything at a constant (NA) then it'd be more reliable cause the ecu would always know whats gonna happen. with a turbo motor the ecu will always adjust AFTER the change (air flow, heat) has already happened and that leaves room for some extra engine wear or it just blows the engine
yelnatsch517 wrote:
Not that it's not reliable, but adding a turbo just allows for more things to go wrong. Also getting a turboed 240 to 300rwhp would most likely cost more through maintenance and time, etc. Were you implying that an LS1 would not be as reliable as another engine, say a turboed sr? If indeed that is true then I will re-evaluate my opinion, but I have yet to see someone say that or know of anyone who has. As of now, my impression of an LS1 swap is almost drop in, few mods here and there and you got a 300rwhp car that is just a reliable as a stock 240, assuming the installs went smoothly. However, that is NOT what I think of any turboed car including those that are stock. 300k mile sti's and evos just do not sound realistic to me, but 300k mile 240's do exist.
Remember that I approach engine swaps in terms for daily driving. It is not to show off to people, take it to tracks and compete, etc, but daily driving only.
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the_momo wrote:well said. the ls1 can get you a 300whp car with no mods. most ls1's are rated from the factory higher than 300whp. oh, and for all the haters, if you really feel that strongly against someone putting in a domestic motor or whatever, maybe you should offer your own money to do what swap you feel is better. bottom line, no one can or should try to convinve someone against doing something that is a proven enhancement. the motor swap works as well as any i have seen, and fyi, all motors will break. ls1's make less heat than ANY turbo motor in the world. that is the absolute truth. turbos make heat, heat is the enemy of internal combustion longevity. end of story. do what makes you happy. if its pushrods, fine, if its turbos, fine. i personally choose both, but not at the same time.
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S14toRPS13 wrote:
No, thank God all the 240 owners I know aren't like you. They appreciate the true value of the car. I don't know about you, but the majority of Japanese drivers tend to stick to SR's. I sure don't see very many LS1 swaps coming from Japan. As for the RB's and VG motors. Atleast they're still in the same ballpark, but they wouldn't be my first choice. Hey like I said, if you guys want to do the LS1 swap. Go for it. I know it's something that'll never catch on with all the true 240 enthusiasts.
Hey Blackie, dont' bother explaining your reasons to these muscle car guys turned import. They won't ever understand.
get over the whole import and domestic thing. its old and all it does is NOTHING. get over the whole 240 enthusiasts thing. it all comes down to CARS.
if you were a "TRUE 240 ENTHUSIAST" then you'd stick with a KA. cause it certainly isnt a 180sx or a silvia. silvia/180sx drivers in japan stick with the SR cause its STOCK!
i guess you havent see the f20 silvias or the rotary silvias.
TheOne wrote:i personally choose the more efficient way of gettin power, handling and economy, if it takes an LSx series engine to do such, then i shall.
smart move
