Ls1 Swap on S14

[the_momo]

if we think about this logically, the lightest modern era vette (mostly composite mind you) is still 3500 lbs with an aluminum motor. ls1 s13 is around 2800. handle equally well, and lose 700 lbs and have cheap insurance, hell why not.

[JustinStrife]

if we think about this logically, the lightest modern era vette (mostly composite mind you) is still 3500 lbs with an aluminum motor. ls1 s13 is around 2800. handle equally well, and lose 700 lbs and have cheap insurance, hell why not.

Wrong. My 2001 C5 weighs in just over 3200lbs with an automatic and the coupe option. A 2001 C5 Z06 weighs in just over 3100lbs. They're not as heavy as you think. Fiberglass FTW.

A mustang or camaro weighs 3500lbs. As does a Supra, 300zx, 3000GT(non VR4), Skyline, etc.

And the yuppy who cries about the 'value' of a 240sx.... Man you're as ignorant as any ricer I've ever met. Good job!

It's a freaking car. It's a freaking econo sport compact car. They're a dime a dozen everywhere you look. They're the honda civic of RWD! They aren't special. They aren't the flagship of Nissan like the Skyline and Z's. They're the bottom of the barrel RWD model that Nissan put out in the 80's and 90's. The rest of us are just trying to make them BETTER than Nissan gave us out of the factory. Whether it's SBC's, LS/LT1's, RB's, VG's, SR's, KA's, CA's, etc, we're making these cars into something superior than stock. And that, is what performance enthusiasts should all be able to agree on.

[S14toRPS13]

They're crappy econo boxes to you, yet you want to go and dump a load of cash into one. Who's the confused one here. Mustangs and Camaros are a dime a dozen, yet you won't complain when one of those guys whine about an import engine into their precious American muscle. Then, it'd be considered "rice".

Since when was wanting to go fast with the intended power plants "rice". Then all those chevy guys and ford guys are all "rice" for wanting to stick with their chevy and ford motors. Or should I call them "potatoes".

[Dookie]

get over the whole import and domestic thing. its old and all it does is NOTHING. get over the whole 240 enthusiasts thing. it all comes down to CARS. if you were a "TRUE 240 ENTHUSIAST" then you'd stick with a KA. cause it certainly isnt a 180sx or a silvia. silvia/180sx drivers in japan stick with the SR cause its STOCK! i guess you havent see the f20 silvias or the rotary silvias.

Well put marshun, I remember when I didnt very much like you, but then again, I was retarded back in the day.

if we think about this logically, the lightest modern era vette (mostly composite mind you) is still 3500 lbs with an aluminum motor. ls1 s13 is around 2800. handle equally well, and lose 700 lbs and have cheap insurance, hell why not.

EXFVCKINGACTLY! To all you people who swear that an SR/KA is the only engine to go in an S-chassis need to punch yourselves in the sack. Hell, you all forgot about the greatest 4-cylinder nissan engine that went into an Silvia anyway - the FJ20ET.Yall can stay loving your SR's while that guy with the LS1 S-chassis leaves you in the dust

[kanecain]

Quote »=It's a freaking car. It's a freaking econo sport compact car. They're a dime a dozen everywhere you look. They're the honda civic of RWD! They aren't special. They aren't the flagship of Nissan like the Skyline and Z's. They're the bottom of the barrel RWD model that Nissan put out in the 80's and 90's. The rest of us are just trying to make them BETTER than Nissan gave us out of the factory. Whether it's SBC's, LS/LT1's, RB's, VG's, SR's, KA's, CA's, etc, we're making these cars into something superior than stock. And that, is what performance enthusiasts should all be able to agree on. [/quote]Extremely sad to hear, but true.

[JustinStrife]

They're crappy econo boxes to you, yet you want to go and dump a load of cash into one. Who's the confused one here. Mustangs and Camaros are a dime a dozen, yet you won't complain when one of those guys whine about an import engine into their precious American muscle. Then, it'd be considered "rice".

Since when was wanting to go fast with the intended power plants "rice". Then all those chevy guys and ford guys are all "rice" for wanting to stick with their chevy and ford motors. Or should I call them "potatoes".

Camaro/Mustang weight > 240sx weightCAmaro/Mustang cornering < 240sx corneringCamaro/Mustang styling < 240sx stylingCamaro/Mustang Power> 240sx Power240sx styling + 240sx cornering + 240sx weight + Camaro/Mustang Power = Teh Win.

Easy formulas. I'm sure even you can figure it out. Right? Maybe? Am I giving you too much credit?

And I don't complain about guys putting RB26's into mustangs or camaros. That's a hell of a swap conversion and I gotta give props to someone who's crazy enough to do it.

Different? Yes. Expensive? YesCheap Horsepower? Probably notWhat I would do? Probably not as it doesn't fit into my cost/performance equation.Kickass worthy of respect? Absofukinlutely.

Edit: And I didn't call them 'crappy' econo boxes. I called them sport compact econo cars. Big difference.
Modified by JustinStrife at 7:51 PM 9/11/2006

[S14toRPS13]

Dang, this threads gone on waaaay too long and this back and forth crap is getting no where. All I hear is about the power output, reliability and superiority of the LS1. You all know where I stand. So where are the numbers? I'm not talking about no one off fully built drag car. I'm talking about a LS1 240 on street tires doing the 1/4 mile, track time, and drifting.

Chances are the most of you won't be able to control the amount of torque that the LS1 is pushing out with the tire size on your S-Chassis anyways. Which equates into useless power for your daily driven 240sx. Who knows maybe a bunch of you with your LS1 s-chassis will prove me wrong.

[murda-c]

So you buy wider wheels, which you'd do if you had more power anyway...it's not like wide wheels are a bad thing.

[JustinStrife]

Dang, this threads gone on waaaay too long and this back and forth crap is getting no where. All I hear is about the power output, reliability and superiority of the LS1. You all know where I stand. So where are the numbers? I'm not talking about no one off fully built drag car. I'm talking about a LS1 240 on street tires doing the 1/4 mile, track time, and drifting.

Chances are the most of you won't be able to control the amount of torque that the LS1 is pushing out with the tire size on your S-Chassis anyways. Which equates into useless power for your daily driven 240sx. Who knows maybe a bunch of you with your LS1 s-chassis will prove me wrong.

torquecentral.com

Check out the 240's and RX7's with the LT1 and LS1 powerplants in there. Smog legal low to mid 12's in the 1/4 mile, cars with non-modded motors. You could spend a weekend on that forum. Enjoy.

[Dookie]

Dang, this threads gone on waaaay too long and this back and forth crap is getting no where. All I hear is about the power output, reliability and superiority of the LS1. You all know where I stand. So where are the numbers? I'm not talking about no one off fully built drag car. I'm talking about a LS1 240 on street tires doing the 1/4 mile, track time, and drifting.

Mike Peter's Supercharged LS1 drifting. Sure the SC doesnt make it stock, but who cares, its only got a 4psi pulley. Other than that, the LS1 is stock.His car can also do a U-turn on a 2 lane road.Nutty steering angle Mike made the move to Flordia, he came down to the track in Louisiana, that car is a beast. Unless he had slicks, he cant hook up until 4th at least.

[~4N~]

Mike Peter's Supercharged LS1 drifting. Sure the SC doesnt make it stock, but who cares, its only got a 4psi pulley. Other than that, the LS1 is stock.His car can also do a U-turn on a 2 lane road.Nutty steering angle Mike made the move to Flordia, he came down to the track in Louisiana, that car is a beast. Unless he had slicks, he cant hook up until 4th at least.

That car is amazing! I wonder how sensitive the steering is though, it'd be kind of scary to turn sharply and keep going straight.

[EazyBreazy]

i wanna know what he did to his steering rack. details please

[Dookie]

i wanna know what he did to his steering rack. details please

Not exactly the safest thing to do unless its a track car, so im not going to tell, but Ill give you a hint, its pretty easy to do.

[EazyBreazy]

cant do it to my car, but its something i might need to know, i'm gonna look into building an s13 or s13 based car for dirt oval when i get home. i figure it'll keep up with the 4 cyd mustangs and whatnot in the beater class

if you have aim im me at sdwyzs14

[jdmfreak]

wow...great read! humor, village idiots, and information all in one thread? what more could I ask for? as Heffer from rocko's modern life would say, "That was a hoot!"

[blackieblack]

look. i really dont understand the reasoning or decision making behind choosing this setup for your car. last time i checked reliability depends on how well you take care of your car/engine. it seems what you guys r saying is this. turbo engines wich (i think everyone knows) generate higher levels of heat, heat kills engines. as far as ecu problems. that wouldnt happen on an sr if its bone stock. maybe if you turned the the boost up and didnt tune the ecu. ls1's are known to knock if you beat on them. if you want an daily driver. keep your ka. if your 240 isnt a daily driver. ls1 is garbage. so dont put that in it. if it was lt1. that would be different. you guys start showing numbers on a built motor, any built motor is gonna kick a$$. everyone who says they want an ls1 swap is either cheap. or ahd a bad experience with turbos. my suggestion. get an SR or CA. and build it slowly. and make sure you dont beat the **** out of it before it can handle the abuse. and if you do dont blame it on the engine. blame it on ur poor ability to know what the hell your doing. and i am a car enthusiast but first and firstly im a nissan enthusiast. ill stay nissan . u all can go super ultra hybrid ls.
Modified by blackieblack at 2:05 AM 9/12/2006

[kanecain]

Check out the 240's and RX7's with the LT1 and LS1 powerplants in there. Smog legal low to mid 12's in the 1/4 mile, cars with non-modded motors. You could spend a weekend on that forum. Enjoy.

I would enjoy driving an LS1 powered Miata or 240SX, but If there was one car that I wouldn't drive, that would be the RX-7. That car just plain loses it's soul when the rotary is removed. Doesn't matter if it's an LS1, SR20DET, or any other engine. The RX-7 was born and built around the rotary. No question about it. It would be like removing the engine out of a C6 Z06, and replacing it with a KA.

[Dookie]

I would enjoy driving an LS1 powered Miata or 240SX, but If there was one car that I wouldn't drive, that would be the RX-7. That car just plain loses it's soul when the rotary is removed. Doesn't matter if it's an LS1, SR20DET, or any other engine. The RX-7 was born and built around the rotary. No question about it. It would be like removing the engine out of a C6 Z06, and replacing it with a KA.

Youre right, the terrible quality of the interior goes directly with the terrible reliability of a rotary engine.But on a serious note, an LS1 belongs more in an RX-7 than a 240 because theyre actually suppose to be fast. Theres a thread on the RX-7 club with a guy who curb weighted his car after the swap and it was actually better than stock.The kits for LS1's into RX-7's position the engine to where it doesnt affect weight balance at all

[superDorifto]

were talking about reliablity in trems of hp and total longevity of the motor. the second you start to modify any engine, its life expectancy begins to shorten. no matter how well it is cared for, a motor producing more hp thn stock is prone to more failures, most can ba atributed to extra heat. so...

KA=140 hp stockSR=180 hp stockLS1=300-350 stock

that means with no modifications and routine maintinance, i can enjoy power levels that require more boost and ancillary equipment in the smaller motors...so, no its not all in "how you drive it" its about "how you build it" and "how you take care of it"

[murda-c]

ls1 is garbage. so dont put that in it. if it was lt1. that would be different. you guys start showing numbers on a built motor, any built motor is gonna kick a$$. everyone who says they want an ls1 swap is either cheap. or ahd a bad experience with turbos. my suggestion. get an SR or CA. and build it slowly. and make sure you dont beat the **** out of it before it can handle the abuse. and if you do dont blame it on the engine. blame it on ur poor ability to know what the hell your doing. and i am a car enthusiast but first and firstly im a nissan enthusiast. ill stay nissan . u all can go super ultra hybrid ls.

Modified by blackieblack at 2:05 AM 9/12/2006

you say Ls1's is cheap and unreliable, but then you say that the reliability of a motor depends on how well you maintain it?

just a tiny tiny contradiciton there

[the_momo]

geez, its like trying to force feed a kid a pile of dog poo. everyone has their own opinion. leave it at that. if numbers speak, let them. we are all beating a dead horse here. we like what we like, and those that have mechanically better choices will stand out. simple as that. every cool motor that ever was has been successfully been put into the s chassis, simply cause they are cheap and effective. arguing the point of cost and reliability is irrevelant unless we look at all new figures, in which case the fc rx7 wins. cheaper than a 240 new. unless its an 89 sohc pile. a crate ls1 new will set you back 5k and more for a trans. not much else. a new (where you could fine one i dont know) sr20 would probably be the same. less power for the same price. i drive a turbo car every day of the week through traffic and it makes more than 300whp and is totally reliable. none of these points are actually feasably rational. we all like what we like. if you like a car but not its motor, then change it. people can talk smack all day long, but in the end the faster car wins. thats a definitive truth, not an opinion.

[S14toRPS13]

everyone has their own opinion. people can talk smack all day long, but in the end the faster car wins. thats a definitive truth, not an opinion.

Can't argue with that.

[Xeen]

Wow! this place is right next to me....I was going to go KA-T....Ohh well

Nathan

[superDorifto]

Can't argue with that.

and somehow, bench racing without the person in front of you and a couple of beers between you just isnt as much fun...

[marshun]

I'll get over it as soon as all those guys in their 40's and 50's get over it.

idunno who you've talked to but you shouldnt talk with guys like that. i now many guys that are old and theyre actually helping me get a LS1 for cheap.

Well put marshun, I remember when I didnt very much like you, but then again, I was retarded back in the day.

EXFVCKINGACTLY! To all you people who swear that an SR/KA is the only engine to go in an S-chassis need to punch yourselves in the sack. Hell, you all forgot about the greatest 4-cylinder nissan engine that went into an Silvia anyway - the FJ20ET.Yall can stay loving your SR's while that guy with the LS1 S-chassis leaves you in the dust

haha its all good. the only thing i DONT like about forums is the ignorance. im all for a good debate. just leave the "WELL A TRUE ENTHUSIAST...." bull**** out. thats like sayin "well god said its bad". bet we all go out and **** someone at some point :P

i came back to this forum just trying to look up information and i found this thread.

[sr20goofus]

[Quote/]haha its all good. the only thing i DONT like about forums is the ignorance. im all for a good debate. just leave the "WELL A TRUE ENTHUSIAST...." bull**** out. thats like sayin "well god said its bad". bet we all go out and **** someone at some point :P

i came back to this forum just trying to look up information and i found this thread.[/QUOTE]

thats the best comaprison i have seen yet.....so many people on here are so close minded and think its bastardly to put anywith out the Nissan Gods approval under the hood, think outside the box guys, reliable power just might not have that beloved Nissan badge on it......

i track an S13 with an SR for over 2 years now, ive owned 4 240sx's, so i understand the being an enthusiast, but not being so closeminded towards change....

[hannibal]

^ please fix your sig. We dont have PM's and your V mount link points to the wrong place...

[Shift_Alabama]

This is going to keep going on...and on...and on...and on The saddest thing about all this is that nobody is going to leave here satisfied that they proved their point. This is going to go on indefinitely until five years from now the thread will finally get locked and everyone will realize that they have gained absolutely nothing. The import vs. domestic debate has been going on ever since foreign cars began competing with American cars for supremacy in this country and it is never going to go away. You can argue about bastardizing Nissans and putting an LS1 in it or god knows what else but in the end if someone doesn't believe you are right, you're not gonna make them see otherwise. So for me...... Anyways, my two cents...

[JustinStrife]

I would enjoy driving an LS1 powered Miata or 240SX, but If there was one car that I wouldn't drive, that would be the RX-7. That car just plain loses it's soul when the rotary is removed. Doesn't matter if it's an LS1, SR20DET, or any other engine. The RX-7 was born and built around the rotary. No question about it. It would be like removing the engine out of a C6 Z06, and replacing it with a KA.

Wow... Can you be, ANY more ignorant? Is it possible? Does a car have a soul? Does a rock have a soul? Pretty deep stuff man. I'm REALLY curious to know your philisophical beliefs here. Care to enlighten us all with your Buddha like ways?

Have you driven an LS1 powered Rx-7? Have you ridden in one? Have you even TALKED to a guy who owns one? Are your emotions getting you so teary eyed, that you can't see a tree from a desert?

When a motor keeps perfect 50/50 weight balance, provides more than 100 ft/tq and 100 more hp than the motor it replaces, gives you double the gas mileage, will outdo the rotary in EVERYTHING but Revs and how fast it burns fuel, how is that ripping the soul out of the car?

I'd say it was giving the car some freaking balls! Making the car into what it SHOULD have been from the factory. If the factory was so brilliant, there'd be no need to put an SR in our KA powered 240's. There'd be no need to turn up the boost on the SR's and CA's. There'd be no need to put suspension mods on the car. There'd be no need to go to a better exhaust system. A better stereo system. Better wheels and tires combo.

Why don't you keep your 240sx BONE STOCK because OMG THAT'S HOW NISSAN INTENDED IT! and the rest of us will rape you with our modded cars.

Oh and find a person who'd rather have an LT1 in their car over an LS1. Anybody who can afford to do either one, will go with the LS1 EVERYTIME. It is the motor of choice for non rotary swaps in Rx-7's. Hands down. It may not be financially viable for most people dropping V8's in FB's and FC's, but it's their motor of choice.

Man I wish some of you would ****ing read up on other **** before you would act like you knew ANYTHING about it. Get out of your little nico/zilvia hole every once in awhile, and see WTF else is out there. You JUST might learn something intelligent. Maybe. If it's possible.

[yelnatsch517]

I think what it comes down to is people who are against the LS1 think it is not reliable as a turboed SR. I don't know if that is in fact true, but I doubt it very much. Can anyone provide statistical data backing either side? From a theoretical standpoint, the SR falls quite short simply because of the turbo. Any additional stress on any engine compromises its reliability. If the LS1 does indeed have reliability issues to that degree then I say the debate goes in favor of the SR, otherwise, the LS1 is the clear winner because besides reliability, the LS1 is superior in every other category important in an engine swap, cost, peformance, and support.

So guys, this debate heads to its final showdown.

Which engine is more reliable, a stock LS1 or an SR boosted to produce 300rwhp? Whicever you choose is the engine of choice, end of discussion.