Ls1 Swap on S14

[TheOne]

I am not a nissan fanboy, I am not a muscle car fanboy, I am not an american car fanboy, I am a racer and I desire power, torque, and a proper handling car. If I can get that by making a half asian step child then **** yeah, you bet your *** I am going to own some people on the track with one.

exactly what i am, i don't care if its got other companies stuff in there(which is pretty much every damn modded car there is, its not all nissan, even nissan didn't make all the parts for the STOCK 240sx)

and when did i say i liked GM and all that blablabla about GM? i like their LSx series of engines? yes i totally do, its a good solid engine that could probably outperform and even outlast the VQ or the RB at the same power level, and still be able to beat it.(this is in a 240sx), also why do you think i still have a 240sx? i could've gone with an old mustang or camaro for almost the same price, even would cost less to get it fast if not faster, but i don't want to, cause i like my nissan 240sx, also why do you think i am even planning on turbocharging my ka? because i like the engine.

true car enthusiasts don't just like 1 car company and its things, true car enthusiasts are about racing, performance, and getting the most out of a car their car, even if it means using other engines and the likes, also those same people give respect where respect is due.

also i know this is a nissan forum, duh......am just giving my opinion to those who think swapping over manufacturer engines cept for nissan's into our cars.

[r390]

Is this the nico club or an ls1 forum? I understand your anguish slash anger typeb20 I to you.

[OriginalWheelman]

I think there is a lot of anger in this thread.

I prefer RBs simply for the reliability and over all bulletproofness every I6 motor seems to have. I just love them. If V8s turn your screw, fine V8. Hell why not a 13b? 4AG? 2JZ? Boss 302? 351M? 427 Colbrajet? Power it with a damn leaf blower for all I care.

[dfw240_EE]

WAY off topic (does it matter anymore in this thread?), but OriginalWheelman, the image in your signature is hypnotic.

[hannibal]

Like k6kicker said, the 240 is a great chassis in search of some more power. Its great to have options. You could use a JDM tyte CA, SR, or RB. Or go for a V8.

The sound of a V8 has always been music to my ears. And any real enthusiast knows the LS1 is a very well done motor. Vettes may be big bulky cars, but the motor is world class.

I still like the idea of using a VH/VK, but if it turns out to be too costly for the resulting performance, the LS1 is an awesome 'second' choice.

And doesnt want to drive a torquey, V8 powered, 2800lb coupe?

[OriginalWheelman]

the LS1 is a very well done motor

Well it certainly took Chevy long enough to improve on the 350.

[kclo4]

I don't care how many cylinders it has as long as it's light, affordable and has **** tons of power, but amen to the point.

The S14 is a great handling chassis, no reason not to build it over other cars. The RX7's would be great too, but I already have one of these.

I love how all these people keep whining about how this is a nissan forum and that we shouldn't be talking about putting a *gasp* american motor in the car. Those folks are going to be the fun ones to hammer by. They might even be more fun to mess with than the rednecks in f-bodies, but with them I can yell something like "what’s the matter, you can't keep up with your own motor?"

Haha, either way cars aren't worth getting butt hurt over. These cars are just tools to have fun with. Folks can pick their weapon, I'll pick mine, then we can have some good old fashioned gun fights.

And doesnt want to drive a torquey, V8 powered, 2800lb coupe?

[sr20goofus]

seems alot of people on here are very close minded to the idea of this swap. The people doing the swap are looking for an overall better performaing and more reliable car wheather it be for motorsports or for fun.

Fact: *the LS1 fully dressed with transmission is lighter then fully dressed KA with transmission*KA has a strong block, but there is a reason u never see these engines in any kind of racing*LS1 has been provin in racing over and over again*Reliability and aftermarket support is incredible for teh LS1*KA's aftermarket support compared to teh LS1 is non existant.

i have 2 240's, one i track regularly and plan to compete with in teh SE-R SRX soon enough and yes i have an SR with mild JDM bling. my other 240 is a daily driver that i have nothign but trouble with. I enjoy my Nissan's i knwo them and how to fix them, btu i dont love them and HAVE to have them. I would swap any engien into my cars if i knew it would last and had great power. Some of you guys are too die hard for the JDM stuff, just realize that the LS1 is a great piece of machinery, and overall will outlast and outperform the KA in any situation. I for one just like driving my cars, i dont care what name is on the front of my car or on top of my valve cover, its all meaning less if your car keeps breaking down while the other guy gets to keep on going...

woudl you all be throwing this much of a fit if i wanted to put a BMW M3 engine in my car? OR rotory 20b? or a GE turbine engine? or a Hybusa 1300cc engine? who cares.........get over it...i know this is the nissan forum, but so far from all my years as a mechanic and an enthusiast, Nissan hasnt gotten that much right, why do you think you guys all swap suspension components, seats, stering wheels, engine parts/internals, wheels and even brakes? the more things you change...the less its a nissan anyways.

[Dookie]

To anyone saying theyd rather keep a nissan engine in a nissan versus a more powerful engine from another auto manufacturer, I have a few words to say about thatWTF?Wow, Id rather a modded SR or KA that around the same power as a STOCK LS1. That way, my engine has a higher risk of blowing up thanks to the added stresses that the internals dont normally have on a stock application! Woot! Go all you "nissan enthusiasts!" Shame that LS1 powered s-chassis that pulls up next to you will destroy you. I dont very much like GM either, but I can tell you this. The Corvette, LSX series engines and the ecotec engines are the only things worth a damn to me. But the LSX series is probably one of the best cheap engine options for a 240 in my opinion.

[S14toRPS13]

This doesn't even come down to power output and timeslips anymore. Even "Ricers" can be fast. All you who wants the LS1 in your 240's are just as bad as those "Ricers". How 'bout you slap a corvette emblem on your 240 too.

[murda-c]

And anyone with an rb or an sr or a ca better but skyline, silvia, or 180sx on their car.

not that that's any less "rice"

Apparently wanting a fast car is now considered rice, the word rice is starting to lose it's meaning, to the point where i wouldn't even care if someone did call my car rice.

[superDorifto]

no, its not the same thing...ricers are generally uninformed highschool kids that throw their money into cheap parts for crappy cars, or follow the latest trend and dump their hard earned money into the bandwagon without thinking twice. im no chevy guy...i could give two craps about weather or not my nissan is OEM or not. I like the chassis, i like the look of the car, and i like the KA. but the LS1 is a valid alternative to all the other SR, RB, CA, etc swaps, period, that is what this thread is about. you can call me a ricer, or make fun of my pushrods, but the bottom line is that for less than the cost of a built KA i will...

1-improve the balance of the car2-nearly triple the stock KA hp3-gain arguably the best six speed available4-retain stock reliablity5-still get to keep the 240 i love so much.

and i can assure you that unless you are next to me as i pull away from a stoplight, you will never be able to tell what is powering my car...how does that equate to rice? to me, it equals one of the best sleeper combos available today...

[KRUZNBY]

Somehow I missed the parts list before.http://hinsonsupercars.com/partsMainS14.htm

[S14toRPS13]

and i can assure you that unless you are next to me as i pull away from a stoplight, you will never be able to tell what is powering my car...how does that equate to rice? to me, it equals one of the best sleeper combos available today...

yeah, when I hear that gurgling from your oh so tyte dual exhuasts. I'm sure, it'll sound a little bit different.

Well I guess we're all from different worlds and had different experiences. I'll never do a LS1 swap and you all wish you can do one. We can only wait to see where all this crazy car stuff goes to.

[Dookie]

This doesn't even come down to power output and timeslips anymore. Even "Ricers" can be fast. All you who wants the LS1 in your 240's are just as bad as those "Ricers". How 'bout you slap a corvette emblem on your 240 too.

Yes, I am a Ricer, I already know that My reason for wanting to go LS1, not being able to have traction until 4th gear. Hence this pic. SC'd LS1 stock internal. Badass car, this is the car with the hinson mounting kit as well.

[S14toRPS13]

I never said putting an LS1 into a 240 labels you as a "ricer". I said it's as bad as "ricers". Sad that people don't get it. Have some pride in what you drive instead of scavenging from the "enemy", yes I said it, the "enemy's" engine. "White pow......", i mean "240 POWER!" LOL

[aaronsnocker1]

I don't know why there is so much hostility over this subject but personally I don't see a problem with a lsx swap. If I could afford it I would do it but unfortunatly I am broke as a joke and won't be doing much to my car for a while. Why don't we all just take a chill pill and relax.

[superDorifto]

i do take pride in my car...i drive it to within an inch of its capabilities, regardless of what it is. just because i drive a nissan now, doesnt mean i need nissan flag in my bedroom, and a nissan tattoo, and nissan tumblers for my cool aid....a car is a car is a car, some are cooler thatn others, some will ALWAYS be classic, and some are pieces from the minute they leave the factory... so i guess im not a true nissan fan, im an automotive enthusiest. i really dont care what name is on the hood, only that the performance is there, ...im done, but i do respect your conviction. if i ever get this done feel free to flame all you want.

[TheOne]

Yes, I am a Ricer, I already know that My reason for wanting to go LS1, not being able to have traction until 4th gear. Hence this pic. SC'd LS1 stock internal. Badass car, this is the car with the hinson mounting kit as well.

you...rich...bastard!

sooo.....is it fun not having traction in 4th gear?

[S14toRPS13]

Some of us don't just look at these cars as a car. Sure to you it's just a great platform with good handling and balance. To others it's more than that and I find it to be a sacrilege to put in anything else that's not within the Nissan family into this car. A lot of us takes things like this seriously, but in the end ofcourse you're free to do as you please. I guess I'll stop at this. I got an early flight in the morning. I'm going going, back back to Cali Cali

[InlineS13]

Ls1's are bad *** motors. I know I'd love to have a twin turbo LS1 in my 240. Although, I'd rather put it into a different car. A buddy of mine has a brand new GTO with an LS2. And it's bad as ****. My brother thinks I'm retarded and he's working on getting a 2JZ for his 240. so, who cares? It's all about what you like.

[OriginalWheelman]

I was reading some of the new posts and I realized something. This happened with Jaguars in the 70s. People would swap out thier Jaguar V12s and such in favor of a Chevy 350. Back then it was done for the same reasons, ease of finding parts, cheaper to improve. But when this happend it angered a lot of Jaguar die hards. The thing I've noticed is NO ONE CARES ANYMORE. In ten, 20, 50 years no one will give a thought to how sacreligous it was to cave up a 240. Time to quote the Mentor again, "As much as we love these cars, they are all just machines."

[SimpleEnigma]

So besides 40ci and 50hp,anyone know the differences between the LS1 and LS2 engine?

Is the LS2 just a bored/stoked LS1?

I am a fan of keeping the motor within the Nissan family, but there is just something irresistably tempting/sexy about a 6-Speed 345hp NA V8 powered 240sx, especially since it is lighter, stronger, and cheaper to build than a fully built KA.

I dont care what other people think, there is NOTHING rice about that. I would DARE you to call the guys that built the Rat Rods back in the 50's rice. They took any motor they could get a hold of and dropped it into their ride and came up with some of the coolest street rods ever built.
Modified by SimpleEnigma at 10:45 AM 8/1/2006

[hannibal]

i do take pride in my car...i drive it to within an inch of its capabilities, regardless of what it is. just because i drive a nissan now, doesnt mean i need nissan flag in my bedroom, and a nissan tattoo, and nissan tumblers for my cool aid....a car is a car is a car, some are cooler thatn others, some will ALWAYS be classic, and some are pieces from the minute they leave the factory... so i guess im not a true nissan fan, im an automotive enthusiest. i really dont care what name is on the hood, only that the performance is there, ...im done, but i do respect your conviction. if i ever get this done feel free to flame all you want.

I dont think you can call yourself a Nissan fan unless youre a car enthusiast first. Everything else is blindly following the crowd. How can you say Nissans are great if you know nothing about the car sitting next to you. I bought a S14 for 3 reasons: RWD, IRS, and cheap. The missing factor is power and whether you add that missing piece with a I4, V6, V8, or 13B, youre making a good car even better.

Ls1's are bad *** motors. I know I'd love to have a twin turbo LS1 in my 240. Although, I'd rather put it into a different car. A buddy of mine has a brand new GTO with an LS2. And it's bad as ****. My brother thinks I'm retarded and he's working on getting a 2JZ for his 240. so, who cares? It's all about what you like.

By any chance, is Ben your brother? I've bought few parts from him. He mentioned working on a 2JZ. He's cool as hell in my book!

[ILikeMy240sx]

I care not to read everything thats been posted on this thread because I can get the jist of it by looking at some of the posts on this page alone. It's probably some noobz bishing and moaning about why would any one put a LS1 in a 240 yada yada domestic sux blah blah.

LS1 is a great motor I dont care what you "import fanatics" say... It has HUUUGE aftermarket support, great potential for stupid power. What's not to like? Just because its from GM?

I dont care if an engine is made by GM, Nissan, Honda, Africa, Shanghai, whatever... If it has specs like LS1, its a great motor.

If I had the time and money to do my car again, Id prob put a LS1 in there.

you tokyo drift noobz... tsk tsk

[fijianrocket]

I havent looked at this thread since I have been busy for the last couple of days.

WOW! Some of the stuff thats being said is awesome and some of it total bull sh@t! I think everybody thats not in favor of the ls1 swap should tryit once so that they can have an opinion about it. As for me Im going for it! IF i dontlike it I'll pull it out! You only live once! Oh yeah besides what if the LS1 was a nissan product. Would the die hard fans use them then. Badge loyalty is a stupid and misguided attempt at being an enthusiast. Each vehicle and engine has unique components that make it good or bad in my book. Show me any car that is the so called best car in the world and Im sure I can you its short comings. It is only when you combine the best parts that the whole beomes better.

Thats more philosophy from the master! But really these are some good thoughts.

[2FourTee]

Badge loyalty is a stupid and misguided attempt at being an enthusiast. Each vehicle and engine has unique components that make it good or bad in my book. Show me any car that is the so called best car in the world and Im sure I can you its short comings. It is only when you combine the best parts that the whole beomes better.

[yelnatsch517]

I think the fight now is between "CAR enthusiasts" and "NISSAN enthusiasts." I think I lean toward more of the former because any "enthusiast" with a brand label imho should be considered a fanboi. People on these forums like nissans because they recognize it to be an excellent car manufacturer not just because it's import or its "nissan." They have their logistical reasons. Fanboi's are close-minded ignorants who base their loyalty soley on preference. What is boils down to is this:

If the LSx engines were considered NISSAN would it change your opinion of the swap? If it does, you are a fanboi. It is that simple. True car enthusiast only strive for what's best and in some cases it means confiding with the "enemy."

[Dookie]

you...rich...bastard!

sooo.....is it fun not having traction in 4th gear?

Hahaha, thats not my car, its my friend Mike's, and he seems to have plenty of fun in it

[yelnatsch517]

Anyway, I read through most of the posts if not all (might have missed a few here or there), but I didn't see any actual cost figures. How much would a complete LS1 conversion cost just so I could put it into perspective in comparison to other swaps and turbo KA's.