Ls1 Swap on S14

[SR20Essex]

Well anything with the LS1 is going to be a beast and I respect the LS1. But if I'm not a true automotive enthusiasts for hating this idea then so be it. I'm a true 240 enthusiasts. To me nothing nothing beats the sound of 7000 rpm with the turbo spooling. Even an LS1.

The LS-7 Redlines at 7k and has a power band much like a Turbo'd SR motor (on a larger scale 427ci). I hear you about the sound though, I love that GT28R going nuts at 6-7k, snapping my head back and pushing me further into the seat just feathering the gas, but that is preference.

The LS-7 (C6 Zo6 Corvette) is like an explosion that hurts when you step on it. I’m not into the sound but the power is definitely good.

[240wootie]

yeah, its got a hemi

[superDorifto]

I know that is just your opinion and I only have mine....But the way that i see it is that muscle cars are pretty much useless besides the great motors....the 240 and other nuimble imports have everything else set besides huge power (compared to the v8's from the factory)....Why not make a hybrid and have the best of both worlds...Besides who cares HOW the thing makes powerm hp is hp regardless of the gadgets used to do so...and how great would it be to have a 240 that would not hjust own the autoX meets, but the drag strip and some full sized track work as well (mullet be damned)

i agree completely, but i will go one step further...ive been growing my hair out for a little over a year, and i have a bet going with some friends at work, so if i do get this project done in the near future i may have to get a slight trim and rock the mullet for this swap..."life's a garden, dig it"

[OriginalWheelman]

I have to say I don't like the idea of the swap, but only becuase I have lost all faith in GM. I plan to go VK56 on my S14 if I keep it. :-D But that will have to wait for the settlement.

In the meanitme, I'll stick with RBs.

[superDorifto]

i looked into RB's, but i really couldnt get past the idea of not being able to easiler purchase a nessecary item, like a starter...without spending an arm and a leg.

[OriginalWheelman]

Find a rebuilder. They're the ones that make all the parts for the stores. Do you think they call Nissan for the parts? No way. They measure all the parts and determin the "best" parts to use in the rebuild. I've got a good rebuilder near me and he does all my custom starters, alternators, w/e for $40 flat. I even get to pick my alternator output!

[kclo4]

LS1 is going to be 150ish lbs lighter than any RB. SR20 is the only motor that would be lighter I think(that would be reasnoble to put in the car).

[superDorifto]

honestly any kind of swap could be cool. it all depends on how clean the swap is...a geo metro 3 cylinder with twin charging could be cool (kindof)...its all about the attention to detail, and a common goal of increasing the overall performance of the car. Hell, id even like to see a 240 with an electric motor swapped in...guess im just a fan of changing things in general

[k6kicker]

I srill find it ironic that the s-car has become one the most common cars to swap a motor in when even in stock form is still a metric f*ck-ton of fun to blast around in....much akin to a miata in that speed and fun are not directly porportional (but in certain cituations can be)...example....my mother drives a mid 90's towncar thats about as reliable as say...oh...the stock market...i typically leave one of my cars back in the garage over at her house (i live in an apaartment ~80 miles away) whenever she has to drive the Z32 to work she complains about the clutch, the ride....ect and basiclly says its a chore to move about in while when she drives the S14, she goes on and on about how i should look for one for her and how fun it is around town and how she just zips right around...certainly a case of apples to oranges (heavily modded versus basiclly stock) but you get my point here

[k6kicker]

I too like cars. Fords and Nissans mostly. I plan on doing a 2000 mustang project. I'm sure if i had an ls1 in my garage i'de put it in the 240 but don't.

how about an aluminum block Ford Racing 302 in a 240...maybe with a blower sitting on top....*drool*

[OriginalWheelman]

Why does anyone throgh weight into the equation? What is 150, or even 300 more lbs if it gives you a 300% HP increase? The S13 is not weiught balanced anyway 53/47. So you fix it in your coilovers. You can do that with any weight difference. Learn how to set your suspension up.

[kclo4]

You have never autocrossed, or put your car on a road course if you think balance and overall weight do not matter. Hell, even in drag racing where more $$$ and more power = faster, having a car with messed up weight balance is going to be harder to launch.

Where did you pull this 53/47 ratio from anyway? If it wasn't from when you last got your car corner balanced then it means nothing. My S14 with me and about 1/3 tank gas was at %56.3/%43.7

You CANNOT change the weight bias of a car with coilovers, only by moving mass in the car. You can only change cross weights.

The point of this story is the LS1 will give equal or less total mass, and even possibly move the mass to a more desirable bias AND provide %300 more power. An RB will only provide hte power, and doesn't even have the power potential and local parts availability that the LS1 has. Also remember, area under the curve...

Why does anyone throgh weight into the equation? What is 150, or even 300 more lbs if it gives you a 300% HP increase? The S13 is not weiught balanced anyway 53/47. So you fix it in your coilovers. You can do that with any weight difference. Learn how to set your suspension up.

[superDorifto]

its been said before, but the sbc basically created the aftermarket...with the LS1 or any other domestic V8, more power is simply a cam and other similarly simple bolt on away. Do the nissan V8s have this type of aftermarket support? Does the RB? 500hp is attainable without opening up the bottom end, +1 for the LS1

[dfw240_EE]

The LS-7 Redlines at 7k and has a power band much like a Turbo'd SR motor (on a larger scale 427ci). I hear you about the sound though, I love that GT28R going nuts at 6-7k, snapping my head back and pushing me further into the seat just feathering the gas, but that is preference.

The LS-7 (C6 Zo6 Corvette) is like an explosion that hurts when you step on it. I’m not into the sound but the power is definitely good.

Yeah, what do you expect from a motor that goes in a ~$65,000 sports car?

[KRUZNBY]

As an owner of a Chevelle and a 240, this seems like the best of both worlds for me. I had to take a double take when I watched the video as well.

[typeb20]

It really makes me sad being a nissan tech when I stumble upon a thread like this one. Why even drive a nissan ( or import) if your so adamant on v8's? If you like v8s get a ****ing domestic already. Nissan ( or any other asian import) has never been about brute power. Its about all around performance. I hate to see threads like this. American influence has already done its damage to the 350z and many other new asian imports. Thats why you see the % made in japan! Your american cars are now being built in mexico. America builds junk! They have no idea what sells. Why the hell do you think the big 3 are in such big trouble? If you talk to a true RX-7 enthusiast, the ls1 cast a shadow of great shame over their car. The ls1 in the rx7 could not even compete with the likes of a RE Amemiya 7. You take those two cars to the track, and the Ls1 would get raped! Pushrods are a dinosaur technology. Muscle cars are dead. Over head cam offers superior valve placement. Do you rednecks even know what kind of engineering goes into a car? I dont think you have a clue. Swapping in a v8 disturbs the overall balance of the car. Do you think a 50/50 weight distrubution is good in any car? at any condition? If you are getting upset reading this, then you are a redneck. Rednecks should stick to pushrods and their junk. Muscle cars are dead. To all those planning to swap in a v8, do us true enthusiats a favor and sell your car! I could go on and on but its useless, some inbreeds just dont get the point.

[S14toRPS13]

Thankyou....I was starting to feel alone here. This is NICO, "we take our nissans seriously" Not "we take our GM's seriously" To the true Nissan enthusiasts!!!!
Modified by S14toRPS13 at 1:07 PM 7/30/2006

[TheOne]

It really makes me sad being a nissan tech when I stumble upon a thread like this one. Why even drive a nissan ( or import) if your so adamant on v8's? If you like v8s get a ****ing domestic already. Nissan ( or any other asian import) has never been about brute power. Its about all around performance. I hate to see threads like this. American influence has already done its damage to the 350z and many other new asian imports. Thats why you see the % made in japan! Your american cars are now being built in mexico. America builds junk! They have no idea what sells. Why the hell do you think the big 3 are in such big trouble? If you talk to a true RX-7 enthusiast, the ls1 cast a shadow of great shame over their car. The ls1 in the rx7 could not even compete with the likes of a RE Amemiya 7. You take those two cars to the track, and the Ls1 would get raped! Pushrods are a dinosaur technology. Muscle cars are dead. Over head cam offers superior valve placement. Do you rednecks even know what kind of engineering goes into a car? I dont think you have a clue. Swapping in a v8 disturbs the overall balance of the car. Do you think a 50/50 weight distrubution is good in any car? at any condition? If you are getting upset reading this, then you are a redneck. Rednecks should stick to pushrods and their junk. Muscle cars are dead. To all those planning to swap in a v8, do us true enthusiats a favor and sell your car! I could go on and on but its useless, some inbreeds just dont get the point.

once again, if pushrods are dynosaur tech, then overhead cams are...geebuz the start of earth.

the big 3 may be going down, but the LSx series of engines are quite a lot more efficient than most nissan engines, just look at the fact that the LS1 makes more power than a RB26DETT, and it gets a lot better gas mileage than it, even being 2x its size, oh and it weights less too!.

this ain't about being a redneck or muscle car or anything like that, this is about being a TRUE enthusiast and wanting all around performance, any engine can do it, some make it easier to than others.(and cheaper too)

[S14toRPS13]

the big 3 may be going down, but the LSx series of engines are quite a lot more efficient than most nissan engines, just look at the fact that the LS1 makes more power than a RB26DETT, and it gets a lot better gas mileage than it, even being 2x its size, oh and it weights less too!.

Once again, I thought this was a Nissan forum.... Most of you sound like you got more love for GM's than Nissans

[typeb20]

If you want to do it cheap, then get a dodge omni and get rid of your 240. Your giving the nissan brand such a bad name. Dont get me started on efficiency, you obviously dont know a thing about engines. Nissan produces higher quality engines than gm has or ever will. The VQ is the only engine to be on the Wards 10 best list 12 years running! Why the hell do you think everyone whent away from pushrods? Your sure as **** not going to get all around performance from an ls1 in your 240. A true enthusiast knows its not about being cheap or getting the biggest engine. Man, just think about it. An rb26 vs ls1 on the track (not dragstrip, even thow there are countless skylines in the rh9 club on street tires) would get raped. Your 240 is not a drag car! Get a domestic already, seriously. Let the muscle car die with what ever sort of dignity it has left. GM tried to revive the camaro, and now thats cancelled, thank god, nobody wants one. The big 3 can't compete with the imports, never will. Its only a matter of time before toyota is number one in the states. Man please, you have no idea what your doing to the True enthusiasts. I dont think your type will ever comprehend it . Why do I even try and explain it to you? It's meaningless.

[typeb20]

By the way, Carol Shelby was an idiot. I bet you have a poster of him on your wall and you dream of muscle cars, mullets and nascar. And at night when you throw your legs up onto your makeshift coffee table thats held up my a spare big block, and your wife is screaming at you to get off your lazy *** and find a job, your like durpi-ty durp durp, dare takin er jobs!

[murda-c]

When i own nissan stock, i'll care about having all nissan parts in my car.

Nissan doesn't make alot of the parts in your car. Unless you have nissan wheels , tires, seats, turbo, pistons, rods...everything down to your shift knob, you can't say you're this so-called "true nissan enthusiast"

the stock 240sx motor is a pos, and an rb25 is heavy.

Since apparently 50/50 weight distribution is bad (even though an ls1 wouldn't even give you that) why do two of the best handling cars i've driven, the s2000 and the miata, both have it?

Why does the new skyline have a 52/48 weight distribution, which is nearer to 50/50 than an ls1 swapped 240sx?

saying you're not going to put a good engine in your car because is non-nissan is stupid, unless every single part in your car is OEM.

I really can't think of a reason why this ls1 is a bad motor other than "it's got pushrods" which won't really matter since you can get one with 400 hp na, which means good throttle response and good torque.

But by all means, but a heavier, less powerful engine in your car because it's got nissan stamped on it, that's the beauty of custom work, you don't really have to give a **** what other people think.

[murda-c]

By the way, Carol Shelby was an idiot. I bet you have a poster of him on your wall and you dream of muscle cars, mullets and nascar. And at night when you throw your legs up onto your makeshift coffee table thats held up my a spare big block, and your wife is screaming at you to get off your lazy *** and find a job, your like durpi-ty durp durp, dare takin er jobs!

that was pathetic...why do you care so much about people putting more powerful less expensive more reliable and easier to service engines in their car?

do you own nissan stock?

[typeb20]

I guess with a name like murda-c, i better watch out. I see from the vast array of mods you are quite knowledgeable about the automotive realm. The weight distribution is defferant from car to car. Do you know why the 350z does not have a perfect weight distribution? I must be speaking to a back yard mechanic. I'm done.

[murda-c]

Do you know why the 240sx does not have perfect weight distribution?

or do you have any other method of arguing beside ad hominem and smileys?

And what vast array of mods do you see? if you're talking about the mods listed under my name, why don't you go look at every other person with a post count near mine, then go practice some simple logic..

[dfw240_EE]

By the way, Carol Shelby was an idiot. I bet you have a poster of him on your wall and you dream of muscle cars, mullets and nascar. And at night when you throw your legs up onto your makeshift coffee table thats held up my a spare big block, and your wife is screaming at you to get off your lazy *** and find a job, your like durpi-ty durp durp, dare takin er jobs!

OK, while I do understand where you are coming from on the "don't mix car companies", I must object. You are being very tasteless and hostile about the matter.

While Chrysler/Ford/GM are struggling, they still manage to get a few things right, and the LS series is something they got right. Considering the size and power of the engine, for it to get comparable mileage to the 350Z (Corvette with LS1: 18/27, 350Z: 19/25; source edmunds.com) is indeed impressive. I think credit should be given where it is due.

[k6kicker]

Theres a fine line between being an enthusiast and a fanboi....

[574-240sx]

I have been watching the LS1 tech thread for the last week. I have access to a T56 trans and I have had megasquirt in sitting my basement ready to go on my next KA-T. I'm having second thoughts after seeing reading the LS1tech thread.

[kclo4]

Either put up come constructive input on the debate or shut up. You seem to ask a lot of question in a manner that implies you know the answer, but you sure don't back up any of it with facts. Show me some personal lap times, pro series lap times, physics models, anything, show me anything that can prove that an LS1 powered 240 would be slower than a SR or RB powered one with equally skilled drivers.

Fact, the LS1 makes more power stock and weighs less than Any RB series motor.Fact, the LS1 has better parts availability.Fact, the LS1 has better power potential with stock bottom end.Fact, the LS1 weighs less than a KA, though the T56 does weigh more than the KA 5 speed.

Fact, depending on how the installation is done a better weigh bias can be achieved with the LS1 than an RB.

I am not saying the nissan motors are bad, they are pretty sweet, I will either have a SR20 or LS1 depending on funds and such, they both seem like great motors.The Z06 is one of the only american cars that I even like, I hate most american cars. I wouldn't consider pretty much any other american motor to put in my 240.

I am not a nissan fanboy, I am not a muscle car fanboy, I am not an american car fanboy, I am a racer and I desire power, torque, and a proper handling car. If I can get that by making a half asian step child then **** yeah, you bet your *** I am going to own some people on the track with one.

I guess with a name like murda-c, i better watch out. I see from the vast array of mods you are quite knowledgeable about the automotive realm. The weight distribution is defferant from car to car. Do you know why the 350z does not have a perfect weight distribution? I must be speaking to a back yard mechanic. I'm done.

[superDorifto]

a freakin men!...i worked all day today, and havent checked on this thread till now (around 1230 am) and all i see is negative pushrod bashing, domestic hating, jdm tyte fanboys offering a lot of hostility and no real hard evidence as to why the LS1 doesnt belong in a 240...till i read your post that is