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flyfishz
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It is time to get the 240 looking good. Some of you guys may remember I bought my 16 year old son a 89 240sx for his first car... The body is pretty much perfect, and the interior is a solid 8 out of 10... maybe even a 9... Car is all stock except for an Alpine MP3 and 4 Boston Acustics plus NISMO Mounts.

My son is going backpacking for 2 weeks in August. While he is gone I want to get the car looking good...

So I need some help from you experts to make sure I get the right goods...My son is a computer jock so the details and pictures of the car will be posted to his website when he sees the car at the end of August... If I use your idea you will get thx credit for recomending it on his web site.

Before you start in with a long debate and list of engine mods I am only considering intake and Exhaust at this time. The kid is only 16 and he is not ready to handle the power of a swap, turbo,nitrous....

Next summer if he makes it through the year with no tickets or wrecks ... I will do the swap / turbo you guys are always talking about. So hold off on the Motor mods for now...except intake and exhaust.

The car is silver blue with blue cloth interior and blue dash. Pretty much mint...89 fastback. I paid $50 for the car...I know ...great deal.... its a long story...

I need recomendations for mild silvia front end kit with a carbon fiber hood... Something that will work well with the intercooler next year. Ideally no side skirts but not out of the question if it looks clean...NO RICE looks... Suspension kit...Wheels and tires

Not going to do the brake swap now, but I would some ideas on how to get to a 5 bolt pattern at minimal $$$ so I will not have to buy new wheels next year

Thinking about a Candy midnight blue...but open to suggestions

Also what about shaving and taillight swaps and stuff like that?

What about some cool seats and other interior parts... Sparco, Bride... What do you guys think?

Alpine V12 amp and dual subs already coming...


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Quote »NO RICE looks[/quote] Quote »Also what about shaving and taillight swaps and stuff like that?[/quote]

Shaving is normally under the rice category...the taillight swaps are pretty rice too unless you go with the kouki tailights..

flyfishz
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Thanks for the info on the Rice Looks stuff...I am still figuring this stuff out.... I appreciate you not rippin me up over it....

OK no shaving....what about the antena? it is just sitting there...does anyone ever get rid of it or hide it or something?

flyfishz
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what are kouki tailights?

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Is the car a fastback or a coupe?

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those are koukis

flyfishz
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what are kouki lights?

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those look good..

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fastback

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I might be a freak, but I really like the look of a stock S13 with the exception of that ugly wheel gap that plagues all 240SX. You mentioned suspension...if you're getting some expensive body stuff, you don't want to be scraping your bumper all over town.

The KYB AGX (adjustable damping) shocks + Eibach Pro-Kit springs will give you a mild drop (advertised is 1.8" in front and 1.6" in the rear, but I believe its actually less than that...someone who has them on an S13 can confirm.)

Eibach also makes Sportlines and quite a few people like those, but IMO they lower the car too much. Anyway, Eibach makes quality products as does H&R. I've never heard anything bad about Eibach or H&R products.

Of course, depending on your budget you can get some coilovers with height AND damping adjustability. In that case, prices start around $1000 and climb from there.

As for interior stuff, Sparco makes some cool stuff. Sparco seats, steering wheel and aluminum pedals would make for one spiffy interior.

Shopping is fun when it's someone else's money. :)

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first off i would like to say that this midnight blue color you mentioned sounds really good. since you will be eventually doing the motor next year i think you should do suspension and/or looks right now. i think a spring and shock combo would be really ideal for the car. a kouki wing as well as kouki tail lights would look pretty good on the car with a fresh paint job. do you really want to go with the silvia face? if not then i would say get a 180sx aero kit. thats all the ideas i have right now...my mind is all jumbles up right now.

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whos car is that brian? bryan?

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I think I read somewhere that you can use the brake system from a 300zx for a s13. Not positive on this however. For a car for your son, I would upgrade anything that can prevent him from getting into an accident. Trust me, I am young and I drive just like most young teens. brakes and shocks sounds like the first things you should upgrade to increase stopping ability. Also recaro seats with 3-way strap seat belts would help too. They are stylish and they help keep the driver in the seat very well. I highly recommend those things first.

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pcbootleger wrote:I think I read somewhere that you can use the brake system from a 300zx for a s13.


I don't think this would be a great idea for a new(er) driver. People do fine with the stock calipers with nice new rotors (slotted for extra bling), performance pads, stainless brake lines and quality brake fluid.

Most people who have the Z brakes have said that it's pretty easy to lock 'em up. Others have also mentioned some extra pedal travel with the Z brake and stock master cylinder. I don't necessarily think this would be a good thing for someone who doesn't have a lot of driving experience.

Hell, there are plenty of people who do track and auto-x stuff with the stock calipers.

IMO, you can pursue brake upgrades as you get closer to swapping in a turbo or doing a KA-T...

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Here's a real easy solution:

Cll Alex (Southwest Autoworks), our newest advertiser. He's offered to beat anyone else's prices on all kinds of goods for the 240. He's fgot great deals on shocks, springs, rims, kits, etc... Probably make you a super smoking deal on a package deal.

p.s. How bout some props for a DAD hookin' up his kid's ride? Huh? That's right.

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AZhitman wrote:p.s. How bout some props for a DAD hookin' up his kid's ride? Huh? That's right.


Yeah, that does indeed kick ***! My first car was an '87 Ford Tempo. I had to practically push the pedal through the floor just to go up hill and maintain my speed. :)

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lessthanjakejohn - are you asking me who that car belongs to in the picture that you posted? if so, it belongs to Gary. sometimes we cxall him Compton...we were installing N1 duals on his car that day.

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Flyfishz can you be my dad too? plzzzzzzz....

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< Was also rocking the Tempo, that top speed of 100 even and it took all day to get there and you could see the gas gauge drop at that rate, I hated it with an unbridled passion

flyfishz
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OK... There is some good feed back here. Doing the suspension is an absolute in this phase. So I ned very specific recomendations. I am planning on going to a 17" wheel whith a low prof tire... I need a specific recomendations with a little explination on why... I was figuring about $1200 for shocks and springs...if there is a really good reason to spend more then I will throw the cash...This car is a daily driver back and forth to school with a little highway driving as well. Today he does not autox of drift... so a lower not too stiff ride would be good.

The info on the 300z Caliper is really good. That lock up info is very helpful. I think I will pass on the upgrade for a long a while... which brings me to painting the stock calipres...Is this going to look like crap? Think Dark Blue Candy paint with brighter blue stock calipers... Bad idea?

Intake Exhaust? No info on this yet? Anyone?

BadMoJo liked the stock s13... so do I ... But if I am gonna throw 4 to 5k at paint I need to be sure I am doing it right... What does the group say? Kit or no kit? IF I do a kit It need to be mild,

What about a small wing? Yes / NO?

SPARCO / Bride / MOMO Stock? how about the seats? And yes was planning on adding the harness Everybody agree that is a good idea?

Kaioshin1982---I can't be your dad...and you didn't give anyhelpful tips so I can't give you cash either But I admire you for asking!--- BadMo JO gets points for the Brake info---You got a Best Buy where you live? When all the buying happens in August you get $20.00 gift cert. If no BestBuy...pick a shop or a store or whatever...

So I still need more info, Based on above, Suspension? Paint the Calipers? Wing? Bodykit or tsya stock? Intake / Exhaust?

5 lugs or stay wth the 4?

How does the color sound to the rest of you? Midnight Blue Candy... maybe a little pearl in the mix...

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First off, let me say that you are the coolest for hooking up your son's ride. Second, I would probably upgrade the suspension as above mentioned and then the brakes. To top it off I would probably get some gunmetal rims with a polished lip, 18" sounds good. A mild body-kit would be awesome and a carbon fiber hood would go really well with that Midnight blue you were talking about. Once again props you are receiving from me.

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Again, if you go through Alex, you can do a mild drop and good shocks for WAY less than that. Plan on $450 for Eibachs and Tokico HP's. Rims/tires? Any bigger than 17" is overkill and will make tire buying a PITA. Stick with 17's, and there are TONS of good quality tires in the 245/45/17 range... IMO, these look real nice on a 240. You're looking at $1K here.

Harnesses aren't such a great idea. Here's why. Without a cage, there's nothing to mount them to. And trying to match mounting points to the existing hardware can be dangerous. Also, if your state has seat belt laws, use of a harness may not be sufficient. Finally, have you ever tried to drive with a full harness day in and day out? It's a hassle. Besides, they're not engineered for deceleration of the driver's weight like stock belts are, and can cause injury.

Seats? Well, personally I don't think there's a whole lot of improvement over the stck 240 seats... Pleanty supportive, and they don't look cheesy like some of the aftermarket crap out there.

Intake/Exhaust - If you're looking for hp improvement, don't believe the hype. Not much to be gained here. Whatever you pick up in better flow, you lose by sucking hot underhood air. A CAI system avoids this, but again, you're not gaining much. Sounds cool, looks cool. Exhaust isn't a bad idea - A Hotshot Header from Alex is $249 or so, and these guys can tell you what kind of muffler they like - I prefer a quieter sound, but they'll have more info on what your kid would prefer.

A wing/kit? Well, the general trend now is towards a cleaner, uncluttered look. There are several nice looking kits for the 240, but I've yet to see a wing that really looks good to the majority that sees it. The paint sounds nice, but keep in mind you'l drop big $$$ doing a color change, since you'll want them to shoot the door jambs, under the hood, inside the hatch, etc.

I'm an old Dad ike you, so I'm trying to point out the most bang for the buck - Fact of the matter is, he'll be stoked that he's geting a ride, and the greatest gift is to have a Dad that understands and shares his enjoyment of the automotive hobby.

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Ok I will call Alex for the stuff. I will be buying in the last week of July first week of August...

Pretty set on the 17" wheels so that is pretty nuch settled except 4 lug or going through the pain of getting 5 lug?

Any links to body kits?

As for the painting the Jambs and hood and such.... Gotta teach the boy early... if you are going to do something... do it right the first time... so hood, jambs, and trunk lid will all get sprayed.

Air / Exhaust not looking for a ton of power here... just a bit better motor sound... not really louder... just more of a tuned sound.

Everyone agree, no seats and harnesses? I was sort of looking forwaard to doing a little interior dress up...

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No real reason for a 5-lug conversion yet... Good call on the paint, a good lesson from a smart Dad.

Intake and exhaust are both a nice mod, and they'll score him some "cool" points - Just make sure he knows they're not adding 40 hp... :D

Interior... Hmmmm. I've always thought the coolest interior was a CLEAN stock look. Some of the 240 guys have removed the carpet panel on the doors and it looks real sharp... Hell, for around $700, contact Katzkin. They make a leather upholstery kit for the 240 that matches the factory stuff - that'd be my first choice! Katzkin makes all the kits for cars that didn't have leather from the factory, but the dealer adds it as an option - One of my Hondas had a kit from them and it was sweet!

There's a list of bodykit dealers for the 240 at the top of 240 General Chat forum.http://www.nissaninfiniticlub....17110

p.s. I live REAL close to BestBuy. :D

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I don't really have any suggestions other than what everyone else has said but...

Let me just say that he will absolutly love you for whatever you do...you are one hell of a cool dad, thumbs up to you. I wish my dad was into cars as much as I am. And being 17 doesn't help much, he'd probably freak if I even wanted an intake.

And jeez $50 for a car...that's awesome, too bad there's none around here for $50 or I could have one right now :)

-Jon-

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holy crap flyfishz will u adopt me?! i would be one happy kid if my dad hooked my car up for me..

i would say get some clean rims (like a 5 point rim, like a star)and lower the car.. and get him a radar detector, ether the passport 8500 (thats what i have, its awsome.. u can pick it up at best buy) or the valintine 1 (order off the internet really pricy)...

also i bought some GE (i think) head lights for my car, they just replace the bulbs, they are sealed beam.. they say they have a "blue Filter" its worth the money, its a cleaner light (not as yellow) and it shines light to the side of the road alot more then the stock bulbs... they are 16$ at discount auto parts..

also, get some 10MM spark plug wires.. they are about 50$ and they help a bit, it will make it run smoother.. and might as well get new spark plugs while your at it...

one more thing.. get front and rear strut bars.. get the cheap ones off ebay they work just fine and they dont cost too much.. about 80$ for both, front and rear...

thats all i can think of right now.. hope this helps..

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With the rims, I would say go 6point double spoked. Like a 6 point star, but with 2 little bars per point you know?But maybe also look in Konig rims, they make a nice looking universal or 2 that will fit on his 4lugs now and his 5lugs later...but you might as well go 5 lug now. Save some time.

KYB Shocks/StrutsTien HA Coilovers

APEX'i N1 Exhaust (single. dual is played and doesnt help any)

Headers - You are going to do a swap next year, don't waist the money for the whole 3 HP.

Intake. Again. The Swap. Pretty inexpensive though.

Brakes - do it, Brembo rotors and calipers. If you want to be super hot find a way to do 4 wheel disk brakes.

Get his dash cleaned up, possibly sprayed.

A nice shift and ebrake boot set cost under $100, good little thing.

That should be good until the swap. :D

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I think that what you might want to do is kinda, on the down low, listen to your son and see what he'd like to do to it, like rims, etc...use him as an info source as well as all of us.

BTW, if you want some one-on-one info, might be a little easier if you can talk in real time, just hit me up on ICQ, or AIM

ICQ-68267520AIM-xerography11

I'd really like to talk to you, I like doing this kinda of stuff, I'll be in heaven when I own a shop, I love talking one on one with someone trying to figure out what's best for the situation, I live for this stuff :D

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here's my suggestions, do a Silvia front end conversion, stick with the stock bumpers, do the kouki tail lights, have the factory wing removed and the holes welded, it'll prolong the life of the hatch, and repaint the car a nice normal glossy dark blue, anything overly flashy will catch 'flak' about beind rice. For the Carbon Fiber hood, I suggest getting as close to OEM as possible and if you do the Silvia conversion, remember to use a JDM Carbon Fiber hood.Wheels, since you're saving by not going overboard on the body, go overboard and get your son some Volk TE37s in 17s with the aforementioned tire size and some high quality wheel locks, he will thank you later. Brakes, upgraded brembo rotors all the way around with some nice new pads will make a WORLD of a difference and still be reasonable for a younger driverSuspension, coil overs would be AWSOME and they're within your original budget but the KYB AGX Shocks and the Eibach Pro Kit set up will leave you with money left over for strut tower braces and upgraded bushings if you choose to go that route, which would be REALLY cool.

you mentioned seats, I know the other guys said to avoid it because the stock seats are great, and its true, the stock seats are awsome, but you're trying to make your kids day here, right? I suggest a Sparco Torino 2 in dark blue for both front seats and reupholster the rear seats and door inserts to match, the interior would be about as perfect as it could get, and with the stereo set up you're talking about adding your son would be in heaven.

For intake, I have the Injen Cold air, if you go that route advise your son to avoid high water at all costs, it cost the last owner of my car an engine, and in the long run, his car. But if he's responsible, which it sounds like if you're doing all this for him, it would be well worth it.

For exhaust, the Apexi N1 Duals have NOTHING but good reviews from everyone here so I would suggest going with that, and a Hotshot header and high flow cat would take that to the next level, and really round out the package.

I've been helping car clubs and friends build award winning show cars and the most beautiful street cars for years.....people have come to refer to their moments of inspiration as 'a mike moment' within a few local crews, you can contact me on AIM at Flyinsol0 MSN at [email protected] or email me at the same, I love helping people make their cars look the best possible.

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Ok great feed back.

There has been mention of Coilovers and KYB and spring setups ... I am getting a bit confused So what are we doing, Coliovers or the other setup? I am not nessesarily looking to make this the autoXer of the year, but I am not afraid to toss the cash if you guys really think this is the way to. Regardless, all bushings will be replaced...

I want the car lower with a smooth sporty but not too ridged ride.

Send me some links on the wheels if you can The kid has a few ideas and a brochure he looks at from time to time...OK all the time... but the wheels look a bit cheap to me....I think they are ZEGEN (sp?) or some thing like that... Riveted around the edge.. that I like but the wheels are only like $125 each... I think he may be looking at these because he thinking he has to pay for them

TOKI is talking about getting the Dash sprayed... Any ideas on that? The Dash in the car is blue and in new condition... me and the boy have talked a little about color change on the interior plastics but based on that plus everything else it almost seems like I should be looking for a different car... Panels will be swaped out cause the carpet is ugly but that was about all I was thinking. Plus the front and rear seats.

There was a recomendation earlier about recovering the stock seats front and rear with leather... that sounded pretty cool, what do you guys think? May a two tone job to match the paint?

Really need help on that coilver stuff...If new springs and shocks get it done I will save the cash and go that way...

Pretty set on the color... at this point Midnight Blue Candy--- Lots of clear maybe a touch of pearl

Would it be ok to put one of those carbon fiber dash kits in?


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