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Wow it sounds like you're really going to go all out for him...that's so awesome!

The wheels he's probably looking at are probably 5 Zigen...I'm not big on wheels so I wouldn't know what to recommend here besides Volks, which are really nice but kind of pricey. HERE's a good site to get wheels...they have some pretty good prices on Rotas, which always look really nice on Hondas...although I on't know how they'd look or if they fit on a 240SX.

From what I've heard in the Honda community, Ground Control coilovers(sleeves) are really good. As for shocks to go with them..Koni Yellows, Tokico Illuminas, Bilsten, or KYB AGX(that's in the order that I'd put them from best to not-so-best...but they're all good). If you decide to go with a true coilover suspension then I'd say go with Tein.

For some projects that just you or you and him can do together go HERE...you'll have to sign up to see it but there's a lot of things that can be applied to any car there, not just integras.

For seats, if you don't want to get aftermarket seats or re-upholster the stock ones you can get the front seats from a S14(95+) 240sx and they bolt right in...the back seat will fir but you have to make some custom brackets for it.

Carbon fiber dash kit...sure I think that or an aluminum dash kit would look really sharp.

But listen to these guys they'll point you in a good direction and keep you away from the tacky stuff that's out there.

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What everyone is saying is there are 2-ways you can handle the suspension upgrade with the $1200 dollar budget. One being that you could go ahead and get a nice Coilover set, which would be near the $1200 range, which would be a spring with a threaded body shock/strut and possible adjustable dampening. Or .. Option 2 being a Good KYB AGX struts/shocks with an Eibach Pro Spring Set, which would probably be around the neighbot hood of 600 dollars, and take the 600 dollars saved and upgrade other suspension areas like Strut Tower Bars, Sway Bars, Bushings, etc.

Everyone has their own taste on Rims, personally I like the Voxx Scorze Rims or Also the Volfk Racing TE-37's in Bronze

I like the Two-tone Leather, but again all personal opinions, I like trying to blend the exterior theme/coloring into the Interior, and Katskins Leather Kits are very nice, as AZhitman suggested.

The advantage to Coilovers over a Spring/Strut setup is versatility. You can Adjust the Ride Height or Suspension Stiffness, to either drop the car all the way down, or put it back to stock height, some kits even are able to add 1" height ... or you can set the suspension to be very ridged or loose, depending on your likes. It all depends on what you want to finally accomplish.

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I'm not a fan of the carbon fiber dash kits...thats my opinion...The springs/shock thing, its probably the better way to go f you're just going for a daily driver set up.I still like my seat idea, but recovering them would suffice, I guess, your son might want seats in the long run so it would be best to get his ideas on that. I don't like the idea of spraying the dash either, alot of people don't like the blue interior, but I think it can work out well if the car is modded accordingly...

Here's a link to the Volks, and a few others, anything from Volk is going to be top notch.http://www.autosportz.com/rims_volk_racing.htm

I like the paint idea, it should be nice and deep and should fit the car well, but the pearl may be a bit too much.....dare I say...ricey, everyone has different opinions, though

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I'd go with these sparco torino 565 each.

this n1 dual 515$.or this greddy dd dual 550$

these 1595$or these

or the aforementioned teins

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oralthough not many have mentioned an lsd or vlsd, it's a great handling and power upgrade kaaz 730$ or you could get one off a 300zx n/a 1990 for much less than that. (plus it's vlsd (viscous)

these, although it may be overkill or some rotora or 300zx big brakes. (the brembos do require a 5 lug conversion since they are originally designed for a 300zx upgrade.

and I liked what sportcompactweb did with these wheels and tire combo they are 225/45ZR-17 Azenis Sport and Volk CE28 wheels. About 380$ wheel and 100 per tire.

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and these although they are really expensive at 2100. They are High intensity leds. Although you could do a sleepy eye and high intensity conversion w/o the rings for a fraction of the price.



and I like this wing don't know make or anything about it though. Your's is a hathchback right?

and for silvia front, I like the s15 and s14 strawberrys

minus the bomex aero kit

or of course it's an s14, you'd just use the front and hood on the s13 body

another shot of the tire

i also like these 1650$ (real pricey, I know) you can find all the lights at clearcorners.com

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OK here is where we are at so far

Springs shocks bushings ---BadMojo

10 MM plug wires---Masterman

Kouki Lights--- Doraeman

Recover seats in two tone leather-- Katzkin---AZHitman--- still need the link

NI dual exhaust---PGZX3

Brake boot--- Toki--- no shift boot--- car is still auto until swap next year

Midnight Blue Candy

No body kit--Need carbon fiber hood--want a good one... sugesstions? I assume quality can vary?

Wheels remain undecided. The suggestions have been excellent! The picture of the Volks from Chingone look really good. thanks for the pics... I am not sure I am ready to go $2500 on this first set of wheels plus all the other stuff and paint... so what can we do as a lower cost upgrade with tires for about $1200 to $1500?

I think this is going to turn out great! thanks for all the help so far.

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how much are the tires you are going for? I bet the price of the wheels can be found for less, I just posted the first priced I found at google (380$/ each). What tires are you shooting for?

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or you could always go ebay and get an "imitation"http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors...06515

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5zigen makes some good wheels too. Check the prices here. You have to called since they have slashed prices down.http://www.mbautosport.com/pro...+List

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Also try this webpage,http://www.tirerack.com/upgrad...=1992

You can try different types of wheels on a "virtual car" to see how they'd look. Good prices don't hurt either.

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It's really cool that you're so willing to hook this car up for your son, and I hate to put a damper on all of this shopping around, but damn... dont you think maybe your kid should be doing this research and (even more importantly) paying for at least SOME of this stuff?

You said you wanted to teach him a lesson about doing things right the first time... I dont mean to offend you at all, but do you really think that having daddy pick the parts AND pay for them is the best way to teach your son about his first car? It's just me I guess, but if I was going to do this for my son, I'd want him to take a much more active role in finding what he wants, researching the pros + cons, and PAYING for the parts with hard-earned money.

I donno... it just strikes me the wrong way to see the parts most of us here work so hard for just GIVEN to somebody who, under such circumstances, probably wont be able to truly appreciate them.

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FIZNAT brings up a few interesting points. Particullarly with why am I paying for this... shouldn't he pay for it... Shouldn't he be picking all this stuff out ... Suprised the "why isn't he paying for it?" question hasn't come up earlier.

So let me take a stab at some of this...

One of the dumdest things I did when I was 16 was place my part time job as a busboy ahead of my other priorities -- Namely school-- I did this because my parents allowed me to in some ways and second cause I made good money that allowed me to fix up my bike and car. --- My son works 3 afternoons a week as a math assistant, makes about $220 a month net. This covers his personal spending. I give him no spending money. Because I "limit" his income by not allowing him to work more during the school year so I offset this by "employing" him as a professional student. His job is to get good grades --- A = $300 B=$200 C=$0 D=-$200 + no computer access F=-$300 no computer access and a loss of all things pleasant in life...

Is this a bad idea? I don't think so. the results are there with 3.8 avaerage and a strong desire to change the world someday...

A lot of people would argue that buying your kid a car at all is a bad idea...whatever...I decided it was ok... I was initally going to buy a new Xterra. Started thinking about that... decided that was a bad idea and would send the wrong message to son. So I set a budget of $5000 to buy something safe but fun.

His car choice was a civic... ideally fully riced...so we started looking...While looking for the Civic he needed something to drive to school...15 miles each way... So I went to one of those places that takes in donated junkers for charities... I found a 95 Ford Crown Victoria Red with vinal roof...a beast... I figured that would do the trick... I was just about to close the deal when I spoted the dirtest 240sx ever seen. Without going into too much detail I got the car for $50.

After parking the car in the driveway the boy gets dropped off from the carpool... sees the car and says "cool...who car is that?" However Brandon 15year old car pool buddy jumps out of the Minivan and states this is the car of his dreams... This gets my son stoked and together we start researching the 240SX.

No more talk about a civic... he is hard core 240sx... But the car needs work and I am $4950 under budget... So lets fix the car up a bit.

We have talked alot about paint and wheels and swaps while we spent 2 full weeks cleaning the car. I would bet we took 5 lbs of dirt out of the inside of that car. All the cleaning uncovered a real diamond in the rough. Plus it has been fun to do together.

All the mods we are talking about have been generally discussed in the contex " wouldn't this be cool someday"...

I never shared the car budget # with my son so he does not realize there is technically a surplus.

I am thinking when he gets back from backpacking in New Mexico for two weeks he will be blown away and very pleased.

He paid for the Alpine MP3 as well as the Boston Acustics pretty much took all his cash.

I feel lucky to be in a position to get the car started. I haven't had a car to wrench on in a while and he had never even done an oil change... now he is talking about turbos and nitrous and and stuff and I think that is cool... a big departure from only thinking about computers...

So a long way to explaining what we are doing and why I feel good about it... And yes we do argue about all the same dumb stuff I argued about with my dad when I was 16, but I have a lot more possitive stuff going on with my son than my dad did with me and someday I think he will have some great memories

Will he appreciate all of it? Yeah I think he will...as much as if he paid for it all? Well---maybe, maybe not...but I prevent him from earning the money to do even the most simple mods...so I will get him started. If he kills it school next year he will almost earn enough to buy a swap...and he will set himself up to get into a killer college if that is his choice... but at least he will have the choice.

So in a nutshell...This is how I have justified this to myself....Plus It is a lot of fun for me too...

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Quote »So I set a budget of $5000 to buy something safe but fun.

His car choice was a civic[/quote]Haha that' EXACTLY me 1.5 years ago..only I ended up with an Integra.

Only my dad's view was different in that if it was under $5k then that was it...no surplus to do whatever I wanted with the extra.

It's also really cool that you reward him for getting good grades(I must say that's a very hefty amount reward $ :) ) I have a 3.5 and failed French(damn french :( ) and my dad can't seem to notice and get pissed about anything but the French grade...even though I did awesome in all my other classes.

If my dad had been anywhere near as enthusiastic and willing to help as you are towards your son then I know for sure we'd be a whole lot closer than we are...but it's not all relating to me getting a car and I don't want to get into it.

So coming from a 17 year old you are doing something that myself and many people getting their first cars can't help but envy...I hope you have an idea of exactly how cool it is that you are willing to do all this and are even enthusiastic about doing it.

-Jon-

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Thanks Jon The integra doesn't sound that bad... look at it this way... coulda been a Ford Crown Victoria!

What is with the French? Are you French? Are you planning on living in France?---Pick a language you might use someday. My son is taking his third year of Japanese. He is actually pretty good at it. But he is want's to live in Japan for few years after school ... maybe work in the tech industry over there...

Point is if the French is blowing your GPA I bet it is because you don't like it or do not see a future use for it...just a thought.

Watch for PIcs of the car in late August with mabe a current PIC in a day or so...

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I think you are doing a great thing fixing up this car for/with your son. Kinda makes me wanna fast-forward and be a dad...wait a minute, I'm baby-sitting the siblings this week so that completely nullifies all parental nostalgic feelings.

Sorry for the rambling, BTW http://www.katzkin.com is the link you need.

Nick

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Quote »What is with the French? Are you French? Are you planning on living in France?[/quote]Yeah I realized how stupid it was to take French...I had my reasons at the time, but I'd rather not say why because I may offend some people. And I did drop it...the teacher tried to get me to take 3rd year but I said "if I didn't pass 2nd year then why would I take 3rd year...NO!"

Anyways..looking forward to seeing some pics :)

-Jon-

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I want to take japanese, but alas, my college is crappy and don't offer it.

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flyfishz wrote:OK here is where we are at so far

Springs shocks bushings ---BadMojo


Unless your stock bushings are oozing disgusting goo, you might want to hold off on those. There was a thread about this in the Suspension forum, but there really aren't a lot of choices for bushings on the 240SX right now.

1) Whiteline Bushings (polyurethane, Australian company with an excellent reputation but a bit pricey)

2) Energy Suspension (good price and popular with other import folks, but don't make a kit *yet* for S13's, AFAIK)

3) NISMO (made of derlin, stiffer than poly and even more expensive than the Whiteline ones...probably overkill for your application. Those that have them say they are mighty stiff.).

Personally, I (along with others) am hoping that Energy Suspension or some other company will notice the growing popularity of the 240SX and begin producing more products for it (including bushings).

I've been very tempted to get some Whiteline bushings, but a full set can be very expensive. You could always just replace the bushings where necessary for now.

If you get KYB AGX Shocks ($370 shipped) + Eibach Pro-Kit or H&R Sport springs (~ $220) you'll have a very nice street set-up and free up some $$$ to use elsewhere on your project.

You might also consider replacing your front upper strut mounts if the car has a lot of miles on it. You probably won't know the condition of the mounts until you get them off. KYB makes replacements that are far cheaper than the OE ones for ~ $60 a piece (front only).

Strut Tower Bars are another fairly inexpensive suspension upgrade, and they look cool too.

Here a picture of some STB's (http://www.modacar.com/product...ASTB/) --note that I have no idea if the store I linked to is reputable, they just happen to have pictures of the bars. Personally, I think the Cusco ones look pretty beefy and aren't *too* expensive. Some folks swear by these things, others just like the looks. It certainly can't hurt, and I think they do look pretty good.

So...

1) KYB AGX2) H&R Sport or Eibach Prokit Springs3) KYB Upper Strut Mounts4) Bushings where needed...you can buy the Whiteline ones separately.5) Cusco Strut Tower Bars

With some good deals, you can probably sneak in between $1000-1200. That price would buy you some entry level coilovers, but you need to decide if you need the adjustability and stiffer ride that something like a Tein HA or JIC SF-1 provides.

http://www.eibach.comhttp://www.hrsprin ... -magic.com

As with anything else, if anyone thinks I'm full of ****, please feel free to chime in. :)

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I think you're full of it ;)...haha J/K. That's all some good suspension info

But, what about the shocks I recommended...Koni Yellows, Tokico Illuminas, and Bilsten?

-Jon-

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94teggy wrote:But, what about the shocks I recommended...Koni Yellows, Tokico Illuminas, and Bilsten?


I don't think Bilstein makes shocks for the 240SX. If they do, I've never seen them and they aren't listed on the website.

Unfortunately, Tokico doesn't make Illuminas for the 240SX. The only ones available from Tokico in the US are the Performance (blues), which aren't adjustable.

The Koni Sport shocks get good reviews, but the front shocks are inserts and not complete replacements (nothing wrong with that, per se) AND the rear shocks can only be adjusted *off* of the car.

It's too bad Tokico doesn't make Illuminas for our cars. It would be nice to have another good choice for inexpensive externally adjustable shocks.

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Ah ok...that sucks. I was just going on what I had heard were good from the Honda guys and not looking to see if they made them for 240's(duh).

I've heard Tokico Illumina's are awesome...too bad they don't make them for 240's :(

-Jon-

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Bo you guys think I can intsall the spinges and shocks on my own?

I recently replaced the motor and transmission mounts...It wasn't too hard... Do I need an alignment kit?

Eibach / KYB--- set up--- 2"drop

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Do you guys...

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Here are a few sites I have found for body kits:

http://www.booststore.com/1989_1993240s ... .c...0Kits

And as far as the 300zx brakes go, I have heard great things about them on the 240's. I drove my dad's 90 300zx before I got my 240sx and the breaks are great. They have NEVER locked up and they stop the car great.

For the intake I would go with Injen. That is what I have on my 89 240 and it looks great and is very easy to install.

For more performance and body parts I would recommend checking out these sites:

http://www.enjukuracing.comhttp://www.s ... 240sx.html (this site has a couple carbon fiber hoods to choose from as well as body kits and performance parts)

I still have stock exhaust on my car but a buddy of mine has the Apexi exhaust with the N1 muffler on his 90 240sx. It looks great and sounds awesome.

Hope I was some help to you

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Hey man that's really cool. I envy your son for the care you've put into finding what he wants and the value you place on spending time together. I wish my father and I had something like that.

I didnt mean to criticize too harshly, heh I'm sure most of that just came out of jealousy. I dont wanna judge you as a father or whatever... hell I'm only 20 years old -- just 4 years older than your son -- I dont know squat about being a father. I'm happy for you guys; do it together and enjoy yourselves.

That said, about the car:

Dont let your son become a ricer. haha for god's sake if you teach him anything about "wrenching around," make sure he knows the #1 creed of most of us here: PEFORMANCE BEFORE LOOKS! I know you wanna keep the car safe for your son, but think of the disaster that can be caused from an array of neon lights and badly designed stickers! You're on the right track here... upgrade the suspension (I reccomend shocks and springs over coilovers unless he's really going to be driving it hard [?] autocrossing or whatever), and then worry about the engine later. Just get it in tip top shape with him, and let him be proud of his car....

Good luck man, let us know how it all works out... and GET YOUR SON ON THIS BOARD, he has alot to learn!

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BaseBall---i-m racing was good for the hood. That looks like a keeper.

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Trying to get this sig to work

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this is the $50.00 89240SX we are working with...

http://www.omegacore.com/pics/car2.gif

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Oh man that car is gorgeous for only $50...I wish I could get a deal like that.

Anyways yes you can replace the springs and shocks by yourself. Go to autozone or your auto parts store and they should have tools for rent. Get a spring compressor(probably the macpherson strut type) and it's pretty self explanitory how to use it but jsut in case... HERE ya go. Once again that's an integra site I know but the process should be pretty much the same...plus it'll give you an idea of what's involved.

Good Luck,-Jon-


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