Learned'd 3 - The Legend Continues - NSFW

[Encryptshun]

Chad, you never answered my question above...

The one about how insurance would help fix the problem? I'm not sure it would, now that we've sortof bounced the concept around. I was approaching it as adding a market-driven cost of ownership with financial repercussions and rewards solely dependant the owner's proven level of responsibility. Easiest analog seemed to be automotive insurance -- make good decisions and your cost goes down, make bad decisions and you cost goes up. At the end of the day it is the responsibility of the CITIZENS (in this case, firearms owners/dealers), not the government, to ensure that firearms don't end up in the hands of criminals. Pressing accountability on that side seems to be a more direct solution than after-the-fact punishment of people who use guns to commit crimes. That's not a preventative measure, it's punitive.

I'm open to any other suggestions, seriously. The problem is that one side wants almost limitless and unregulated access to firearms and the other extreme wants none. As usual for this era, what's missing from the discussion is the moderate, IMPLEMENTABLE, solutions to the problem.

Prescription drugs aren't needed. Just saying.

Tell that to my worms...

I gave you the solution to your worm issue like DAYS ago...

[93coupe]

Adam, I was watching Maury Povich years ago and there was a guy that tried to kill himself by drinking Drano. It disintegrated his esophagus. He lived but doctors connected his stomach to what was left of his throat. He couldn't swallow. After he chewed, he had to run his hands along where his throat used to be to push food down. It was interesting.

I wouldn't choose Drano.

[AppleBonker]

The one about how insurance would help fix the problem? I'm not sure it would, now that we've sortof bounced the concept around. I was approaching it as adding a market-driven cost of ownership with financial repercussions and rewards solely dependant the owner's proven level of responsibility.

Got it. Unfortunately, the biggest financial reward would be gained by those who chose to not pay liability insurance (which would be illegal). I like where you're headed, but I already see what the criminals would do to circumvent the regulations. Also, you really can't prevent thieves from getting your stuff. If they want it bad enough, they'll get it.

I wouldn't choose Drano.

That definitely wasn't on the possible solution list. And I'm not planning on adding it.

I will agree with you that this society has become overly drug-dependent. But I don't believe that all problems can be easily resolved without prescription drugs. Many can, but definitely not all.

[MellowZ32]

morning gents.

[Encryptshun]

Criminals will ALWAYS find ways to circumvent the law. It's the nature of criminal activity.

The problem isn't the law, it's the CULTURE. Look at any country anti-gun pundits point to as an example of "see, they don't have this problem" -- it's not becuase of the law, it's because of the culture. They don't have the same history that we do. They for the most part, didn't become independent by using guns. They don't have the romanticised "cowboy" mythology like we do here. We have more corporations making mass-produced and custom-spec weapons than the rest of the world combined. Sure, Germany, France, Russia and Israel all make guns, but it's not such a predominant factor in their economy. Our country was BUILT around weapons big and small -- it's hard to overcome all that "the best defense is a good offense" stuff because it's been ground into our heads for the better part of the last century. It's almost genetic knowledge now.

[93coupe]

It's ridiculous how many people abuse prescription drugs, how many people take the wrong drug, take it too often/wrong dosage, how many doctors prescribe the wrong drug (as you know). People are too quick to run to the doctor and grab whatever they can to toss in their body because they think it is the quick fix. Eat right, exercise, don't smoke, die when you die. So many people don't even know what they're putting in their bodies.

[93coupe]

Sup Jay,

I got this for you

[AppleBonker]

Ok, I see where you're at. Unfortunately, I don't see a way to undo the mentality that currently exists. Eradicate all the morons in the world?

[MellowZ32]

mmm mMC-12

[Encryptshun]

My culture comments above are also applicable to the usage of prescription and illegal drugs. Our country is the land of plenty, the land of freedom, the land where you are only limited by your own self-imposed restrictions. That carries with it a "I'll do it because I can" philosophy which results in people making impulsive or selfish decisions, putting themselves and others at risk. Guns, drugs, fast food, gas-guzzling cars, it's all part of the same internalized ideology.

[AppleBonker]

Eat right, exercise, don't smoke

Exactly my point. That ^ didn't help me in the least. And I worked on the correction myself for about three weeks before going to the doctor. And I don't think it's an issue with the doctor making the wrong call. It honestly goes back to a societal problem, IMO. He made the safe call, and I don't know that I can fault him for that. Now he's waiting for more test results before altering anything. With how litigious we are as a country, the docs have to make the safest bet to cover their own asses. I find it completely ludicrous, but I doubt that'll change any time soon.

[AppleBonker]

My culture comments above are also applicable to the usage of prescription and illegal drugs. Our country is the land of plenty, the land of freedom, the land where you are only limited by your own self-imposed restrictions. That carries with it a "I'll do it because I can" philosophy which results in people making impulsive or selfish decisions, putting themselves and others at risk. Guns, drugs, fast food, gas-guzzling cars, it's all part of the same internalized ideology.

The problem is that there are those of us who DON'T abuse these things and get pulled down with those who do. As I said, eradicate the morons and a lot of these issues would be resolved...

[Encryptshun]

Eat right, exercise, don't smoke

With how litigious we are as a country, the docs have to make the safest bet to cover their own asses. I find it completely ludicrous, but I doubt that'll change any time soon.

You sir, win the internet smart guy award. F*CKING TRUTH

[93coupe]

Eat right, exercise, don't smoke

Exactly my point. That ^ didn't help me in the least.

...die when you die...

jk

http://altmedicine.about.com/cs/conditi ... asites.htm

Of course I say all this as I sit with, to my knowledge, relatively healthy intestines. I'm sure if I was s*** worms, I would be tossing whatever the doctor handed me down my throat.

[Encryptshun]

My culture comments above are also applicable to the usage of prescription and illegal drugs. Our country is the land of plenty, the land of freedom, the land where you are only limited by your own self-imposed restrictions. That carries with it a "I'll do it because I can" philosophy which results in people making impulsive or selfish decisions, putting themselves and others at risk. Guns, drugs, fast food, gas-guzzling cars, it's all part of the same internalized ideology.

The problem is that there are those of us who DON'T abuse these things and get pulled down with those who do. As I said, eradicate the morons and a lot of these issues would be resolved...

But of course we can't do that, because this is a free country. And I'm met many MANY extremists who are not morons by any stretch of the imagination. They are tons smarter than me, but they just believe in acting without restraint.

[AppleBonker]

That's why I want to be able to write my own prescriptions. Seriously. Then I'm liable for the problems they cause me. It should be like this. Then, if people want to abuse the fack out of drugs, it's their own funeral and their fault. Same goes for food or recreational drugs. Go as unhealthy as you want, but when you kick it you've only got yourself to blame.

I'm keeping my fingers crossed that the test results come back tomorrow. Then the doctor will be able to make the new safe call which should actually benefit me.

[AppleBonker]

But of course we can't do that, because this is a free country. And I'm met many MANY extremists who are not morons by any stretch of the imagination. They are tons smarter than me, but they just believe in acting without restraint.

Yeah, it was a joke. But honestly, extremists are morons. In fact, anyone who doesn't agree with me is a moron.


And Ry, you don't wanna smell my breath right now. I've been consuming garlic like it was granola bars. It's pretty gross.

[93coupe]

That's why I want to be able to write my own prescriptions. Seriously. Then I'm liable for the problems they cause me. It should be like this.

Then people would start pointing fingers at who gave you the privilege to write your prescriptions when s*** hits the fan and something terrible happens to you because you wrote the wrong one.

[AppleBonker]

And I'm laughing a bit at the rest of that list. 25 ounces of pumpkin seeds? Holy fack!

[AppleBonker]

That's why I want to be able to write my own prescriptions. Seriously. Then I'm liable for the problems they cause me. It should be like this.

Then people would start pointing fingers at who gave you the privilege to write your prescriptions when s*** hits the fan and something terrible happens to you because you wrote the wrong one.

Point all you want. That doesn't change anything. We need to get these lame lawsuits out of the country now and put an end to that thinking. If you write the wrong prescription for yourself, that's YOUR problem. If you go home and drink Drano tonight and it nearly kills you, again your problem. Don't blame society because you're a dumbass.

Edit: because in the interest of self-preservation, I'm not about to start taking any drugs unless I know what they do and how they may affect me. If no one else is that smart, they can suffer the consequences.

[93coupe]

And Ry, you don't wanna smell my breath right now. I've been consuming garlic like it was granola bars. It's pretty gross.

[93coupe]

We need to get these lame lawsuits out of the country now and put an end to that thinking. If you write the wrong prescription for yourself, that's YOUR problem. If you go home and drink Drano tonight and it nearly kills you, again your problem. Don't blame society because you're a dumbass.

Good luck with that.

[AppleBonker]

Not saying it would be easy. In fact, I know it'll never happen. But it would make the country a much more enjoyable place.

Honestly, we've gotten so advanced as a species that we are going against the laws of nature. Evolution has completely stalled. Everyone is too concerned about protecting everybody. We are no longer evolving into a more dominant species, but devolving in the sense that we focus too much on preserving the presence of the weaker individuals in the herd. Completely backwards from the way it should be.

[93coupe]

Side note, Nosferatu is one of my favorite horror movie characters.

Adam, I think what we need is Jim for president (only because his voice would be awesome for addresses) and a Learned'd cabinet.

The whole evolution stall thing- I can't really get into the details of it but I am breeding an army.

[AppleBonker]

I can't really get into the details of it but I am breeding an army.

If this doesn't involve a gallon jug, your spooge, a refrigerator and a large number of turkey basters I will be very sad.

[93coupe]

Don't give away my secrets, y0! It's really not easy to fill a milk jug.


I feel bad for that locker...

[AppleBonker]

Apparently this is a common idea. Google auto complete told me so:

[93coupe]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0cNQHXfdPU[/youtube]

[93coupe]

Nobody just bastes turkeys anymore?

[AppleBonker]

I dunno, but I'm about to start calling people "turkey baster babies". Much better ring to it than test tube baby.