Learned'd 3 - The Legend Continues - NSFW

[Marenta]

Naw, my previous job didn't want me, so they moved me to the job that I was supposed to work in initially. It's better over here anyway.

[fiznowler]

morning all! I have a feeling it is going to be another long slow day.

[AppleBonker]

Herro, Chad!

[Encryptshun]

Morning, everybody!

Sheesh....Pezi....dude....

Dee....I'm glad? you got fired.....?

Someone said there would be hookahs.

[AppleBonker]

Chad, I saw this last night and laughed HARD.

Razi and Dan were just arguing over the velocity of a laden swallow.

But supposing two swallows...

[Encryptshun]

But is it an African swallow or a European swallow?

[AppleBonker]

The line that set the tone for that whole movie, IMO:

"are you suggesting coconuts migrate?"

It was early on, and while the dialogue before it was comical, it wasn't gut-busting-laughter comical. That line caught me completely off guard and I pretty much remained laughing for the rest of the movie.

[Encryptshun]

For me it was the two guys with the dead body when Arthur and the knights ride by.

Man 1: "Who's that, then?"
Man 2: "Dunno, must be a king."
Man 1: "Why?"
Man 2: "He hasn't got sh*t all over him."

[AppleBonker]

See, that was later in the movie though. The tone was set.

Don't get me wrong, there are hundreds of lines in that movie that make me lawl every time I hear them. The migrating coconuts one was just the part of the script that told me, "hey, this movie is going to be simply absurd".

And, in case you were wondering, this has quickly become one of my favorite tshirts in my collection:

[AppleBonker]

WTF?

[Encryptshun]

Why would you ever shoot a skunk?

[AppleBonker]

No, why would you ever shoot yourself in the face?

[Encryptshun]

Oh, yeah. That.

Edit* Unfortunately, growing up out in woop-woop, several members of our community perished by accidental self-inflicted gunshot wounds to the head. A few not so accidental, but most were a result of cleaning a weapon without removing the chambered round first.

Dumb is dumb, whether natural or chemically-induced.

[AppleBonker]

Those are the people we need to keep away from guns. I'm not a huge fan of gun laws, but it is sometimes necessary...

[dre1507]

oh they joys of skipping that gun education class. bet he wish he had attended.

[AppleBonker]

most were a result of cleaning a weapon without removing the chambered round first.

Gun manufacturers are helping on this front. My XDm doesn't need to be dry fired to strip it. Even if a round is chambered, you shouldn't have a negligent discharge whilst cleaning.

[Encryptshun]

I am in favor of mandatory driver's education and testing for obtaining and maintaining a driver's license, because in the wrong hands a vehicle can be a deadly weapon.

I am even more in favor of mandatory firearm operator's education and testing for obtaining and maintaining a gun-owner's permit, because in ANY hands a gun is a deadly weapon.

I also think that anyone who owns a firearm of any kind should be required by law to hold liability insurance.

[AppleBonker]

You had me up until the liability insurance. Any object can be a huge health risk. What about knives? Or sports equipment?

[MinisterofDOOM]

WTF?

Daniel McDaniels? LOL. I'd rather be known as "the guy who shot himself in the face by accident" than Daniel McDaniel any day.

[Encryptshun]

Go ahead and get me some statistics on sports equipment used as a murder weapon.

And you don't use a Glock to cut a steak.

[AppleBonker]

Bwahaha, I didn't even notice that. Pretty unfortunate. His parents must not like him.

Chad, ever read any Sam Harris books? Seems like something you might have covered at some point. They have piqued my interest, and I'm hoping to find someone who has read one or more than can give a legit review.

[AppleBonker]

Go ahead and get me some statistics on sports equipment used as a murder weapon.

Fine, people in possession of drugs? Or various other toxins? And that equipment causes far more injuries every year than guns. Better yet, should we all be required to have liability insurance to serve our friends alcohol at our houses? I don't need hard numbers to know for a fact that this is far more dangerous to society as a whole than firearms.

And you don't use a Glock to cut a steak.

I really want to do this, just to prove you wrong...

[Encryptshun]

I have not read Sam Harris, though a quick Google search on him has put him on my short list of new authors to check out this winter.

[AppleBonker]

He was on the Daily Show two nights ago maybe. First time an author has ever been on a talk show and made me want to read their book(s). This might be an iPad purchase later...

[AppleBonker]

And Chad, check out the Q/A with the author on amazon's page for his most recent book he was whoring the other night:

http://www.amazon.com/Moral-Landscape-S ... 696&sr=8-1

[Encryptshun]

Re: Sam Harris -- thanks for the tip. Quick Google search has piqued my interest. I will be reading some of his stuff.

My point with the insurance requirement is simply that if we don't want to force accountability for firearms posession, we need to use the free market. Auto insurance goes up or down depending on your risk level. Insurance for firearms could have that same structure -- encouraging responsible ownership and use via economic repercussions. Then you can let the market work to drive accountability and competition rather than the government just passing some broad-stroke mandates. You wanna own an AK? Sure...but your premium is going to be much higher because the likelihood you're going to misuse it is greater...also the liklihood that it will be stolen and used to commit a crime is greater. But if you have a "certified" gun safe that it's always locked up in, then you get a discount on your premium...that sort of thing.

This is just me spitballing a solution -- not elegant, of course. But I'd prefer incentivising responsible owners than punishing irresponsible ones.

[Marenta]

What an in-depth topic for this thread.

You know what sucks? The fact I demolished 2 salads for lunch. I just can't stop snacking, ever since I got pregnant. Ugh, I'm never full, it sucks!

[Encryptshun]

YOU ARE PREGNANT??????

[AppleBonker]

I hear what you're saying, but what will force the criminal (who intends to commit a crime) to pay this insurance? This really only punishes people who are law-abiding and have an accident occur. I feel the same way about shoveling my walkway at my house. If I do this and someone slips and falls, I am actually liable for their injury. I don't think this should be the case either. There are many mistakes in this life that will cause injury (be it physical or emotional) to others, but it is very hard to insure against all of them. In order to do this with guns, we must be first determining that the injury there is more harmful than any others. I would argue that there are emotional issues I can cause people to have that would be far more detrimental to society than just killing them. Since it is impractical (if not impossible) to insure against all of the world's problems, it seems very shady to me to pick and choose which liabilities to insure (and frankly, most are chosen because they are easy systems to design).

Final Sam Harris comment for today, just wanted to highlight what I thought was a brilliant answer from his Q/A:

What is the difference between there being no answers in practice and no answers in principle, and why is this distinction important in understanding the relationship between human knowledge and human values?

There are an infinite number of questions that we will never answer, but which clearly have answers. How many fish are there in the world’s oceans at this moment? We will never know. And yet, we know that this question, along with an infinite number of questions like it, have correct answers. We simply can’t get access to the data in any practical way.

There are many questions about human subjectivity—and about the experience of conscious creatures generally—that have this same structure. Which causes more human suffering, stealing or lying? Questions like this are not at all meaningless, in that they must have answers, but it could be hopeless to try to answer them with any precision. Still, once we admit that any discussion of human values must relate to a larger reality in which actual answers exist, we can then reject many answers as obviously wrong. If, in response to the question about the world’s fish, someone were to say, "There are exactly a thousand fish in the sea." We know that this person is not worth listening to. And many people who have strong opinions on moral questions have no more credibility than this. Anyone who thinks that gay marriage is the greatest problem of the 21st century, or that women should be forced to live in burqas, is not worth listening to on the subject of morality.

[AppleBonker]

YOU ARE PREGNANT??????