Is Sarah Palin the mother?

[rn79870]

There is always controversy when an election is on the horizon, and that controversy is not limited to any one party. After surfing the web, I came across this article that claims Sarah is not the mother of the 4 month old child she claims as hers. Whether she is the mother or not is her business, not anyone else's, however if she is lying about it, it needs to be known.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/...80223

Link is to the article along with the pictures of Sarah in her 5th, 6th and 7th month of pregnancy. After looking at the pictures, what do you think?

[Jager]

I think its gonna go nowhere good for either party.

democrats are gonna look like idiots if they try to push it and republicans are gonna be ticked sarah wasnt vetted more deeply if its true.

but I imagine this has a 50-60% chance of ebing a non story as both sides just clamp down and dont discuss it.

for the record, my ex girlfriend had belly fat that looked just like the daughters, abet she was 21. you'd be amazed at how many people swore she was pregnant, even though she cannot conceive.

[telcoman]

There is always controversy when an election is on the horizon, and that controversy is not limited to any one party. After surfing the web, I came across this article that claims Sarah is not the mother of the 4 month old child she claims as hers. Whether she is the mother or not is her business, not anyone else's, however if she is lying about it, it needs to be known.

http://www.dailykos.com/story/...80223

Link is to the article along with the pictures of Sarah in her 5th, 6th and 7th month of pregnancy. After looking at the pictures, what do you think?

I'm not surprised. Some of the comments are very interesting.

(1+ / 0-)Recommended by:hideinplainsight affecting young women, especially in fundamentalist communities, it is not my own dignity I need to be worried about. This is a candidate who seeks to impose not only criminalizing abortion, but criminalizing birth control. That this woman is the mother of daughters and has boldly said that she would force her daughter to carry the child of a rape or incestuous child abuse, irrespective of the daughter's feelings, developement, age, or readiness to take on the responsibility of parenthood, is more damaging to the dignity of women, children, and the spiritual meaning of relationship, of conception and male female relationships than anything I can think of.

Imagine a woman telling a minor that not only has been sexually violated, but inseminated against her will, that she cannot practice birth control and must carry the child to term. That would be like being raped yet again: state-enforced pregnancy. THAT is what Ms. Palin advocates.

by Septima on Sun Aug 31, 2008 at 12:39

If it is in fact true it will destroy her and McCain just like Craig, Edwards & Spitzer was brought down along with a long list of other holier than thou politicians

http://www.dailykos.com/story/...30092

Telcoman
Modified by telcoman at 2:44 PM 8/31/2008

[szh]

Unreal.

Now you are stooping to the worst kind of rumor-mongering that we can bring to attack any woman running for office. Is this the Democratic way? Classic!

Do you guys really feel that linking or quoting this hate site was necessary?

I just lost any vestige of respect I had for you all ... you are not objective at all.

And I now discount everything you all say or believe in!

Z

[Jager]

z was that pointed toward me? if so i must protest.

[szh]

z was that pointed toward me? if so i must protest.

No, to the OP and telcoman.

Linking to rumor-mongering, hate sites can easily lead to problems ... do you want to see the ones on Obama?

Z

[telcoman]

No, to the OP and telcoman.

Linking to rumor-mongering, hate sites can easily lead to problems ... do you want to see the ones on Obama?

Z

Sure why not.

A lot on Obama such as his being a Muslim have been disproved.

Aren't we in the land of the free and home of the brave?

BTW, I do respect the opinions and positions of those on the right. I try to understand them but I can't.

Telcoman

[rn79870]

Unreal.

Now you are stooping to the worst kind of rumor-mongering that we can bring to attack any woman running for office. Is this the Democratic way? Classic!

Do you guys really feel that linking or quoting this hate site was necessary?

I just lost any vestige of respect I had for you all ... you are not objective at all.

And I now discount everything you all say or believe in!

Z

So Z shall we ignore everything except rosy sweet stuff? It's on the internet. It's documented with photographs, and it is logically presented with fact and circumstance. I agree that whether or not she really was pregnant is immaterial and her personal business, however, if she stands up and lies to the public, we need to know. We both know that if the dems lied to the American public about whether or not they had sex with a consenting adult, the reps would scream. Turn about is fair play. Did she lie or not, that is the question here, nothing more.

[szh]

So Z shall we ignore everything except rosy sweet stuff? It's on the internet. It's documented with photographs, and it is logically presented with fact and circumstance. I agree that whether or not she really was pregnant is immaterial and her personal business, however, if she stands up and lies to the public, we need to know. We both know that if the dems lied to the American public about whether or not they had sex with a consenting adult, the reps would scream. Turn about is fair play. Did she lie or not, that is the question here, nothing more.

That site is doing nothing by posturing innuendo and borderline libel. It is not a guarantee of facts and the "logic" is pretty darn flawed. Classic low tactics that are beneath contempt, really.

Finally, if and when it is proven to be false, I will expect apologies. If not, I will apologize.

Z

[telcoman]

So Z shall we ignore everything except rosy sweet stuff? It's on the internet. It's documented with photographs, and it is logically presented with fact and circumstance. I agree that whether or not she really was pregnant is immaterial and her personal business, however, if she stands up and lies to the public, we need to know. We both know that if the dems lied to the American public about whether or not they had sex with a consenting adult, the reps would scream. Turn about is fair play. Did she lie or not, that is the question here, nothing more.

Wasn't the big issue with President Clinton was his saying "I did not have sex with that woman"

If Sarah's daughter did in fact have a baby, she should have been following President Clinton's example and had oral sex. Oh wait, no contraception! I think her mom wouldn't approve that either.

How about that. Teenagers in Alaska having sex. Sex education, probably not

Telcoman

[szh]

Wasn't the big issue with President Clinton was his saying "I did not have sex with that woman"

If Sarah's daughter did in fact have a baby, she should have been following President Clinton's example and had oral sex. Oh wait, no contraception! I think her mom wouldn't approve that either.

How about that. Teenagers in Alaska having sex. Sex education, probably not

So, you think the story is true already, huhn? And, indeed, playing connect-a-dot to Clinton's acts in the Presidency ... how sad!

What if you are wrong? Will you find some other way to rationalize and justify this kind of contemptible attack?

Z

[szh]

Come to think of it, I think I now want you guys to push this contemptible story even harder.

It is going to come crashing down around your ears.

The Democrats are really getting scared of the McCain Palin ticket now!

Z

[hannibal]

I'm not clicking that link. This is some ridiculous stuff. Photos of her pregnacy? WTF?

I really dont know squat about Palin. ANd its a shame these are the things people are reading about her. How is that gonna help someone choose a candidate?

[themadscientist]

I will not get upset about such a tasteless jab at Mrs. Palin. I expect this sort of thing from the left and while it is callous and redefines scum politics, please do continue. Continue because the more you guys scratch for any gossip the more you expose your boundless ethical void and true colors for America to see. Is it any wonder Michael Moore is "your guy". I am enjoying the violent thrashing as your hopes to put the sham, the pretender Obama in the oval sink in a bog of your own BS.

RN, your credibility is shot as you parrot any talking point the left espouses, Tel, well he is a constant, no shock there. I find comfort in knowing I can always depend on him to define the periphery of the lunatic fringe.

[rn79870]

Come to think of it, I think I now want you guys to push this contemptible story even harder.

It is going to come crashing down around your ears.

The Democrats are really getting scared of the McCain Palin ticket now!

Z

It's a valid, well documented article with photographic evidence that clearly calls into question whether or not she was actually pregnant. Again, whether or not she was is her private business, however, if she has already started lying to the American public, then we need to be aware of that. If you'd take a little impartial look you might see why there is such a question.

I can assure you that the democrats are as happy about Palin's selection as the Republicans are.

[audtatious]

Democrats are running scared no matter what they try to say. The MSM is in on it too as when Palin was announced MSNBC actually had "How many houses does Palin add to the Republican ticket?" listed. She had not been announce for more than a couple of minutes before the press started on her. Then you have Alan Colmes who throws up comments on his site effectively stating that Palin was responsible for the birth of a Down's baby by not taking pre-natal vitamins and then he went on some rant accusing her of having to get married because she was pregnant.

Way to go Democraps. You've already pissed off a bunch of Hillary supporters and I hope you keep this crap up.

[themadscientist]

What if she had a miscarriage and lied to keep her children from knowing? If her private life is her business as you offer than follow through and show a little class. I don't care one way or the other, I don't think it is proper to go after a public figure's children. I would similarly expect nothing to touch Obama's children, they are not combatants in this. Libs have no ethics though and will do absolutely anything to forward their agenda.Keep going guys, the country is watching and your activities are are the negative ads McCain needs. Obama's wife is off limits but Palin's 4 year old is fair game? I see. The equation on that logic must fill up a blackboard like a quantum theory.

[rn79870]

The story is now spreading throughout the internet with new facts being added as they come out.http://news.spreadit.org/brist...-baby/

According to Alaskans media outlets Sarah Palin never looked pregnant, and Bristol Palin was taken out of Anchorage high school for 5 months during her mother’s pregnancy for a prolonged case of mono. Too add fuel the speculation the Alaska Department of State has now taken down all the photos of Sarah Palin and her family from their website.

And more comments.http://andrewsullivan.theatlan....html

A feminist view...Palin did not tell anyone outside of her family about her pregnancy until she was 8 months pregnant and even at 8 months, she did not resemble a woman with child; as Palin is a very slim and slender woman, a pregnancy would have been abundantly apparent. Alaskan media did comment on this, yet their speculations went no further.

Months before Palin’s birth announcement, Bristol Palin, 16, became ill with mononucleosis (mono) and had to leave school. Mono typically lasts between 2 weeks and 3 months and that is if it is a particularly horrendous and threatening case, but Bristol was out of school for 5 to 8 months, ironically this took place at the same time Sarah Palin was pregnant with Trig.http://menstrualpoetry.com/pregnant

I foresee this issue making the news as soon as the convention and the hurricane passes.

[audtatious]

Dems are just mad. If indeed she was preggers before they were married they feel she probably should have had an abortion just as they are probably upset that she didn't abort the last downs baby. It's all her fault for being a Conservative which means she's a bible-thumper.

[themadscientist]

Obama is sad that she was "punished by the baby".

Even if it bears out I do not judge such a potential scenario wrong so it remains a non-issue. I guess she could have taken Obama's advice and put a coat hanger up her cooch and yanked it out.

[rn79870]

Dems are not upset about her selection, not at all.

[themadscientist]

Their fitful scrambling says otherwise. Ignore the words watch the actions. You haven't addressed the precedent RN; can we start vetting Obama's paternity of his kids? Maybe Michelle had an affair? It seems to be relevant to you guys.

If the child is actually Palin's daughter's then what you are proposing is to destroy this young woman for your political ends. Are you ok with that? Wait, what am I saying, of course you are! You draw a line at party borders, most of us draw a line at general concepts of right and wrong, consistency.

[OriginalWheelman]

Ok I read the article. It's based on speculation, and hearsay.

hen early Friday morning at 4:00am, Sarah began leaking amniotic fluid. Instead of checking into a hospital, she instead made a call to her doctor, and delivered the keynote speech.

Why the hell would she fake being pregnant, fake a problem with the pregnancy, and then not do anything about the problem? Does that make sense? However, I know a lot of Christians that leave these things "up to God". How are we supposed to know if she received treatment in Dallas? For all we know, a doctor came and took care of the problem before she left. I love how the author assumes they have ALL the information.

The inherent need to absolutely have Trig delivered in a remote and possibly ill-equipped facility for premature deliveries,

What happened to a woman's right to choose? Does that only apply to whether or not to have the baby? Not where she chooses to have it? Wouldn't you be more comfortable having your doctor deliver your child? Furthermore, if the child was born in Texas, it would have made things complicated for him. My little brother was born in Florida to New Yorker parents, and the paperwork is a mess anytime he tries to do things at the state level, as he must put down that he is not a native New Yorker, despite living here for all but 3 months of his life. When he needed a duplicate birth certificate, it too months to get it by mail form Broward General.

The photo's of her daughter "being pregnant" are ridiculous. They state that she is pregnant by the way the fat is on her stomach? Um.. my wife has almost the same stomach and I'm sure she isn't pregnant. As for "Her chest is puffed out, a sign that she is contracting her stomach muscles", gee maybe because she thinks she looks fat! Taking 5 to 8 months off of school, and thereby reducing your activity level will cause you to gain some weight. I know that a woman's breast get larger with pregnancy. It's common knowledge. If she is pregnant, why didn't they get bigger? Furthermore, if you look at her younger sister she has almost the same build and the same belly fat. Is she pregnant too?

We simply ask that she be forthright, honest, and not waste our time with such juvenile games that anyone with eyes can see as fabrication.

I would ask the writer not to assume their speculation as truth, and grant us the same courtesy.

[themadscientist]

Dude, I hope your wife never reads that. You will be having your mail forwarded to the couch!

I am fully ok with the possibility it is her daughter's baby. It is a non-issue that the dams hope hurts her. they are willing to drag her daughter into the swill that is politics which shows who they are and what they are about.

[OriginalWheelman]

Dude, I hope your wife never reads that. You will be having your mail forwarded to the couch!

I am fully ok with the possibility it is her daughter's baby. It is a non-issue that the dams hope hurts her. they are willing to drag her daughter into the swill that is politics which shows who they are and what they are about.

Sorry, but I don't lie to my wife. She asked me if she put on weight, I said yes. She knew I was brutally honest when we got together, and it is one of the things she always says she loves about me.

[rn79870]

Ok I read the article. It's based on speculation, and hearsay.

Of course it is. It's merely circumstantial evidence at best.

Why the hell would she fake being pregnant, fake a problem with the pregnancy, and then not do anything about the problem?

Coupled with the photographic evidence, so they say, the mother covered for her teen aged daughter. And lied to toe public about it. That's fine if she isn't in public office.

The photo's of her daughter "being pregnant" are ridiculous. They state that she is pregnant by the way the fat is on her stomach? Um.. my wife has almost the same stomach and I'm sure she isn't pregnant. As for "Her chest is puffed out, a sign that she is contracting her stomach muscles", gee maybe because she thinks she looks fat!

That wasn't the only thing, it was also the 5 to 8 months the daughter took off from school. (at the same time).

I would ask the writer not to assume their speculation as truth, and grant us the same courtesy.

And you're absolutely correct, it is unproven speculation. It is still in rumor form and too new for Palin to have commented on. We should give her every benefit until she speaks about this. (and she should to clear it up).

[szh]

Dems are not upset about her selection, not at all.

On the contrary, they are scrambling ... now very concerned about the outcome. Else, they would not stoop to such contemptible tactics.

Oh, wait a minute, it is the Democratic Party I am talking about ... yeah, they would stoop so low.

Z

[themadscientist]

Sorry, but I don't lie to my wife. She asked me if she put on weight, I said yes. She knew I was brutally honest when we got together, and it is one of the things she always says she loves about me.

Yeah, I am straight with my wife too. Glad to see other people with an honest relationship.

[Eikon]

I read the website and I can understand why someone might believe that nonsense based on the pictures and the one-sided "facts" presented.

But I don't believe it is true. Look at the pictures of Palin presented in that website... she is chubby compared to her normal pics.

Unless anyone here is a pre-natal doctor, go ahead and call me wrong, but I've seen pregnant women who look very pregnant right away, and those that hardly ever seem to show at all. The thinner the woman, the more likely it is that they will not show very much... contrary to what that website implies.

I don't think the pictures of her daughter are much proof that she was pregnant either. That just looks like belly fat. Different women carry fat in different places... some on the sides, some on the legs, some on the butt, some on the belly, and some all over. Neither of those pictures is proof of pregnancy.

It's really easy to point fingers on the net. It's really easy to make claims and back them up with pictures and "facts" that are only half-truths or fake, etc..

[OriginalWheelman]

Coupled with the photographic evidence, so they say, the mother covered for her teen aged daughter. And lied to toe public about it. That's fine if she isn't in public office.

I've seen women that don't look 9 months pregnant at 9 months, and I've seen women who look 9 months pregnant at 2 months. Without pictures of her other pregnancies it is impossible to tell from the photos. Furthermore, photos of her in clothes can't really tell the picture. Every outfit wears differently, and sometimes with the right outfit you can hide a belly that big.

That wasn't the only thing, it was also the 5 to 8 months the daughter took off from school. (at the same time).

Suspicious, yes. Condemning, no. I had a lung infection for 8 months, it kept jumping around between my sinuses and my lungs, finally ending with me having my tonsils removed at 26. Sometime sicknesses last a lot longer than normal. It all comes down to how strong the person's immune system is, and how strong the illness is. Oh, and it is common for a cold climate to extend an illness as it takes away from the efficiency of the immune system. I can't expect you to have known that living as far south as you do, but here in NY, it's common knowledge that illnesses last longer in winter.

And you're absolutely correct, it is unproven speculation. It is still in rumor form and too new for Palin to have commented on. We should give her every benefit until she speaks about this. (and she should to clear it up).

But if she denies it, will people believe her? OR will they call it "more dishonesty from the republicans".