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ishkabibble wrote:But this new revelation is amusing. Yep, that abstinence-only sexual education agenda pushed by the right works really well.
It would ... if people followed it.

But, human beings are, indeed, not perfect.
ishkabibble wrote:Z, the mono thing came from Bristol's schoolmates.
Okay. I realize that I over-reacted - too much reading of other stuff - so I have deleted my response.

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The rumor, which is unsubstantiated, is that Sarah is the grandmother and not the mother of the 4 month old child. It is all over the internet. The latest is that a news journalist in Alaska tried to investigate the story and found no evidence that the allegations are true, however, even that is being questioned. This is a rumor and not a fact. The better question is probably why did she lie in an attempt to cover up her improper discipline of a state official, and why didn't she mention that she had to use $500,000,000 of Alaskan funds to get the great deal she is credited with getting.

She also lied about the"bridge to nowhere" issue too. Google that if you want to., no wait, I'll do it for you...

Quoting Palin“I told Congress ‘thanks but no thanks’ on that Bridge to Nowhere,” she said in a speech on Friday after being introduced by Mr. McCain as his vice presidential pick.

But Ms. Palin’s history with the infamous bridge — and earmarks, which many critics call pork — is more complicated.

As the new mayor of tiny Wasilla, Alaska, in 2000, Ms. Palin initiated a tradition of making annual trips to Washington to ask for more earmarks from the state’s Congressional delegation, mainly Representative Don Young and Senator Ted Stevens, both Republicans.

“It was about being face-to-face with those who were actually writing the budget,” she told The Anchorage Daily News in 2006, boasting that she brought home more money for priorities like upgrades to the local sewer system.

She directed Wasilla to employ Washington lobbyists to press for federal money for the town, helping obtain more than $8 million in earmarks for projects ranging from waterworks to a shelter.

And she expressed support for the Bridge to Nowhere earmark as well. “I do support the infrastructure projects that are on tap here in the State of Alaska that our Congressional delegations worked hard for,” Ms. Palin said when asked about that bridge and another in an October 2006 television debate while campaigning for governor.

Later that month, when asked if she would continue state financing for the Gravina bridge and another proposed bridge project, she said yes. “I would like to see Alaska’s infrastructure projects built sooner rather than later,” she responded in a questionnaire from The Anchorage Daily News. “The window is now — while our Congressional delegation is in a strong position to assist.”

Is she confused or is she lying?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09....html


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If someone beats my sister, I'd try to get them fired too, even if I were not the state governor. Hell, our top manager got fired from work because the hot sales lady's husband found out they were having an affair and he called the boss.

As for her pork barrels, Mr. Obaba didn't try to get any for his state? Biden didn't?She said infrastructure, not Bridge to X island. There's always need for infrastructure. Especially in the frigid lands like the Alaska. Not a whole lot of business going on there to tax money out of people.

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rn79870 wrote:Is she confused or is she lying?
confused...lying takes intellect. This woman is probably the worst thing to happen to women in politics since the hoopskirt.

I'm just curious when we are gonna find out the name of this 'young man' who did the dirty in the land of the northern lights...lets hope hes not homeless like that guy in Massachusetts.

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

Bristol Palin is TEEN PREGNANT!!! FALCON PUNCH!!!!

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITI....html

This is too f**king funny. Sarah Palin is going to be the Spiro Agnew of the 21st century.

At any rate Greg, as for Clinton being a big fat liar, I condemned him at the time for that too, so it's not like we all give him a pass for it. I also happened to be an ultraconservative back in 1998 also (NRA, Heritage Foundation, etc).

At any rate, Democrat or Republican, I think we can all admit that Sarah Palin has NOT made the GOP look good since her appointment.

She gets booed at a rally, she mentions that she "hasn't really thought about Iraq", and now her daughter is scandalously "teen pregnant" despite her being a conservative Christian governor who advocates abstinence.

I'm not commenting on her ability to be VP, I'm just saying that from a PERCEPTION standpoint, I think that even the staunchest Republicans can agree that, well, the last 2-3 days could probably have gone better, lol.

Excuse me while I go laugh myself into a seizure.

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Apparently you don't read my posts much around here, including the one I posted in this thread at 9:59 this morning. I know all about this motherhood claim. I'd still like to see where Bristol was pregnant prior to this. My sister missed an entire year of high school with a case of mono she couldn't get over. That "pregnant paunch" that is being claimed as proof that Bristol was pregnant is carried by over half the girls in high schools all over the area here. My daughter in law has that paunch since she was in junior high. Guess what? She's never been pregnant.

I don't need a lecture on the "Bridge to Nowhere" either. Read the threads. I've been very critical of her and things she claims credit for. Based on things I've pulled from Alaskan sources dating back to 2005.

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I wasn't directing the post to you sr, instead, I was trying to make sure everyone was on the same page, and some didn't appear to be there.

CNN just announced that Sarah is going to be a grandmother in 4 months. The daughter is 5 months pregnant. Obama is not going to touch that issue. So if you do the math, she couldn't have been the mother of the 4 mth. old. Peyton place, AK. (sorry Hash, I see you beat me to this...)
Hash wrote:Excuse me while I go laugh myself into a seizure.
I've got the giggles too. Thank you Sarah.


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Resigned I see it coming. McCain is right now.

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This has to be the worst thread in the history of NICOclub.

It's so full of fail I can hardly read it.

Someone explain to me why this woman's family, pregnancies, and other personal details are on the forefront of concern. Last time we have personal scandal like this it was Bill Clinton, and he actually did something wrong. Palin has done nothing wrong. It's pretty sad that our country can't handle a female candidate w/out going straight to personal issues.

How is Palin's daughter an issue? Anyone else have kids? Do they always do what their taught, or do they have poor judgment now and then? Perhaps the work of being a governer has hurt her ability to keep an eye on her kids? How many people posting in this forum waited til marriage to have sex? If so, then I'll allow you to criticize her.

Bob, Your posts about Palin's governing are terribly mis-quoted. You're quickly losing your credibility on this forum by taking such a blind stance and abusing the context of quotes and facts.


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skylndrftr wrote:Given that they are basically cancelling the republican convention to try and help the current REPUBLICAN (reminder) president do his job properly...I think they should replace it with the Palin family on Jerry Springer...maybe we'll find out who the real father is to.

call me classless I don't care this dumb bimbo is just to funny.
In a thread full of stupid comments, this one wins the prize. Do I really need to explain why these comments are stupid? Because I will if you need me to.


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Eikon wrote:
In a thread full of stupid comments, this one wins the prize. Do I really need to explain why these comments are stupid? Because I will if you need me to.
Speak real slow and use small words.

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Troll much?
Not as much as you like to follow behind me sniffing for farts.

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Since many of the people here seem to think Obama is the second coming of you-know-who... Here's what he has to say about the whole topic. I expect this will now be a dead topic..
Obama wrote:"I have said before, and I will repeat again: People's families are off-limits," Obama said. "And people's children are especially off-limits. This shouldn't be part of our politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin's performance as a governor or her potential performance as a vice president. So I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories. You know my mother had me when she was 18, and how a family deals with issues and teenage children, that shouldn’t be a topic of our politics."

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ishkabibble wrote:I never knew mono could make you pregnant!
That's probably a tale that Bobs mom told him was the cause of his conception.

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rn79870 wrote:CNN just announced that Sarah is going to be a grandmother in 4 months. The daughter is 5 months pregnant. Obama is not going to touch that issue. So if you do the math, she couldn't have been the mother of the 4 mth. old. Peyton place, AK.
szhosain wrote:That site is doing nothing by posturing innuendo and borderline libel. It is not a guarantee of facts and the "logic" is pretty darn flawed. Classic low tactics that are beneath contempt, really.

Finally, if and when it is proven to be false, I will expect apologies. If not, I will apologize.
Well, Bob?

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Eikon wrote:Here's what he has to say about the whole topic. I expect this will now be a dead topic..
That scored him some points with me.

Well-said, Senator.

Amazing how that party of women's rights and personal privacy are picking up on this and running with it - Almost like they're the Far Right. Hmmmm...

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Eikon wrote:Palin has done nothing wrong.
This woman advocates abstinence instead of birth control and sex education and insists that it will be just as good at preventing teenage pregnancies. Apparently it isn't, because her UNDERAGE DAUGHTER is now "teen pregnant".

Her tack obviously doesn't work, it doesn't even work in her own family, it isn't the right policy, and this is the proof of it.
Eikon wrote:How is Palin's daughter an issue? Anyone else have kids? Do they always do what their taught, or do they have poor judgment now and then? Perhaps the work of being a governer has hurt her ability to keep an eye on her kids? How many people posting in this forum waited til marriage to have sex? If so, then I'll allow you to criticize her.
My wife, one of the female independent voters that Palin is trying to woo (the wife is much more socially conservative than I am), is absolutely disgusted with Palin's conduct as a mother. No woman with a newborn with down syndrome should be a governor, she needs to be home caring for that child. She's the model of what's wrong with American families, not what's right with them. Kids raising kids, two parents who are busier than they otherwise should be, not because they need the money but just because they have a sense of ambition that overrides their responsibility to their children, et cetera. (note, these are wifey's gripes, not mine, per se).

Anyway, ultimately, MY point wasn't that Palin has necessarily done anything WRONG, but just that her first 3 days as prospective VP could've gone much smoother for the GOP. I reiterate:

-Booed at GOP rally-Daughter is teen pregnant-"Hasn't really thought about Iraq"-Under investigation for "Troopergate"

I'm not even commenting on whether or not any of this is true or meaningful, I frankly don't even care, I'm just saying that even the staunchest of Republicans have to admit that the party would probably be suffering a little less embarrassment right now if the VP choice had been, say, Romney.

Three days ago, as so many of you have kindly pointed out, McCain and Obama were dead-even in polls representing the popular vote. Since Palin has been appointed however, THIS has happened:

http://www.gallup.com/poll/109....aspx

SIX POINTS.

The Dems had essentially zero "convention bounce" even though Obama's speech was regarded as one of the finest convention speeches in history. That was a LUCKY BREAK for the GOP, but now, thanks to Mrs. Palin, you guys are down by six points.

I would be MAD if I was a McCain supporter, honestly. I would be asking why he didn't go with Romney or Pawlenty. Aren't ANY of you GOP'ers at least a tiiiiny bit peeved at McCain for doing this? NONE of you feel like this might maybe, kinda, sorta was not the best idea?

No one is even the weensiest bit afraid that this might have a negative impact on McCain's prospects for the White House?

I mean, I get mad at Obama for shxt he does all the time, it's called honesty with oneself regarding your candidate, it's okay to admit it, lol. His whole "windfall profits tax" shxt pisses me off, for example, but no candidate is ever going to be perfect.


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Not as much as you like to follow behind me sniffing for farts.
Not so much farts as bull****.

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Eikon wrote:This has to be the worst thread in the history of NICOclub.

It's so full of fail I can hardly read it.

Someone explain to me why this woman's family, pregnancies, and other personal details are on the forefront of concern. Last time we have personal scandal like this it was Bill Clinton, and he actually did something wrong. Palin has done nothing wrong. It's pretty sad that our country can't handle a female candidate w/out going straight to personal issues.

How is Palin's daughter an issue? Anyone else have kids? Do they always do what their taught, or do they have poor judgment now and then? Perhaps the work of being a governer has hurt her ability to keep an eye on her kids? How many people posting in this forum waited til marriage to have sex? If so, then I'll allow you to criticize her.

Bob, Your posts about Palin's governing are terribly mis-quoted. You're quickly losing your credibility on this forum by taking such a blind stance and abusing the context of quotes and facts.
This is what happens when you preach morality, no sex education in schools, no contraception, anti abortion, anti gay, anti woman, etc and try to legislate those views into law and force it upon the entire population.

The right had a field day for years with Clinton/ Monica. This BTW was between two consenting adults.

What goes around comes around. I'm having trouble tearing myself away from my computer and TV as this has become really funny.Can't wait for the next episode of The Daily Show and Howard Sterns return from vacation.

I have no sympathy whatsoever for Palin. With so many skeletons in her closet she was a poor choice for McCain and the Republician Party.

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Hash, I disagree strongly with most of that post...

First of all, people's parenting styles are their own business. To claim "OMG abstinence education don't werk becuz teh Palin kid got prego" is retarded.

Second, you may as well say she should be home baking cookies "where she belongs". Having a special-needs kid shouldn't deprive the populace of her efforts and service. Take all the workers with special needs kids out of the workforce and we have a mess.

Third, your list of reiterations is not terribly relevant. Obama's choice got booed as well, but a shxt-ton of Hillarious supporters. Daughter's behavior is irrelevant... She's not the Prez, and her Iraq comment was way outta context, and "troopergate" is a fabricated non-issue... Perhaps you could read up on it. I posted about it days ago and why she did the right thing.

Romney had some issues that the dems would have picked up on as well - No one is immune and you know it.

Six points doesn't phase me, just like Camp Llama didn't panic when they lost a 9-point lead in Gallup's polling.

A very rare weak post from you, good friend.

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ishkabibble wrote:
Not so much farts as bull****.
I will have to take your word for it that my farts smell like bull****

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AZhitman wrote:BTW, lying to the American public about something in your private life was made OK by the last Democrat President, so I expect all you lefties to defend her right to lie. Go ahead.

Or, argue with me. Go ahead. Bring it.
Or you can expect those of us 'lefties' that criticized Clinton about his scandal to criticize her if she is lying as well...

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Mrs. Palin actually supports contraception:

http://dwb.adn.com/news/politi....html

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ishkabibble wrote:Mrs. Palin actually supports contraception:

http://dwb.adn.com/news/politi....html
I had not seen that. Thanks for the link!

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AZhitman wrote:Hash, I disagree strongly with most of that post...

First of all, people's parenting styles are their own business. To claim "OMG abstinence education don't werk becuz teh Palin kid got prego" is retarded.

Second, you may as well say she should be home baking cookies "where she belongs". Having a special-needs kid shouldn't deprive the populace of her efforts and service. Take all the workers with special needs kids out of the workforce and we have a mess.
As I said, I was quoting my wife's personal opinions on the matter. She just thought it was a little much for *anyone* to be back at work within 2 days of giving birth to a special needs child. I don't really feel strongly about the issue of either the down syndrome kid or the teen pregnancy (other than that the latter looks bad, at least to a good portion of the population, and I stand by that).
AZhitman wrote:Third, your list of reiterations is not terribly relevant. Obama's choice got booed as well, but a shxt-ton of Hillarious supporters. Daughter's behavior is irrelevant... She's not the Prez, and her Iraq comment was way outta context, and "troopergate" is a fabricated non-issue... Perhaps you could read up on it. I posted about it days ago and why she did the right thing.
Daughters behavior is NOT irrelevant. I know it's not a *real* material issue, but in elections, unfortunately, PERCEPTION MATTERS. It WILL be a turn-off to certain voters, even if it wouldn't necessarily be a turn-off to you or I.

What *was* the context of the Iraq comment? I wouldn't be surprised if it was out of context, but again, it isn't the reality that matters, it's the perception. In the SHORT TERM (i.e. over past 3 days), this comment has had a negative impact on how she and thus the ticket is percieved, however slight.

I agree that Troopergate is probably bull-caca, but it just seems like "one more negative thing", and that's probably how it comes off to certain voters as well. Again, it's all about perception. I'm not making any arguments as to the long-term viability of Palin as a pick, I'm just saying that over the last three days, it seems like a lot, even if it's bull, and it's probably not doing the GOP any favors.
AZhitman wrote:Romney had some issues that the dems would have picked up on as well - No one is immune and you know it.
Romney was vetted, effectively, by the primary process and thus he would've had fewer surprises, as would any other major figure (Lieberman) who had been through a national campaign of any kind. That doesn't, by it's own virtue, make him a better pick, but I doubt McCain would've lost 6 points over the weekend if he'd gone with Romney, he'd likely still be even-Steven.
AZhitman wrote:Six points doesn't phase me, just like Camp Llama didn't panic when they lost a 9-point lead in Gallup's polling.
I admit that six points at this stage in the game doesn't mean much (if anything) to the final result, but what it DOES mean, indisputably, is that Sarah Palin has had a negative impact, at least in the here and now, on how McCain's ticket is being perceived by the public. Nothing else happened since those two polls were taken, and so it must be inferred that McCain lost six points BECAUSE OF SARAH PALIN. I'm open to other suggestions, but I don't see any plausible ones.
AZhitman wrote:A very rare weak post from you, good friend.
For the reasons above, I disagree.

AGAIN, I want to reiterate that my point here is not to tear apart your VP pick. My point is that all this crap that's going on with Palin, everything that makes her controversial (stuff I mentioned above, her inexperience taken together with McCain's age, her relative obscurity) isn't necessarily an asset. Ultimately elections are 100% about perception, and it is inarguable that somewhere out there, to at least SOME PEOPLE, she is not a positive addition to the ticket. This is obviously the case, as McCain lost six points (which he may well regain, but stay with me) over the weekend when nothing else happened, so it's attributable to her.

Now, your response could be "those people are wrong, screw them", but ultimately you DO care what they think, or at least you should, as those are the crossover/independent voters that will determine the fate of your candidate in November.


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It seems obama agrees with me, at least he says he does.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITI....html
Barrack Obama wrote:"Let me be as clear as possible," Obama said. "I think people's families are off-limits, and people's children are especially off-limits. This shouldn't be part of our politics. It has no relevance to Gov. Palin's performance as governor or her potential performance as a vice president."

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And that's what a good politician would say, but between us girls, it's as funny as it gets. If choosing Palin is an example of McCain's good judgment, then he certainly has no room to talk about anyone else. McCain handed the dems an early Christmas gift, ribbon and all. I think he secretly wants to lose.

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What I find funny is that the left thinks it's real news. The tabloid party in action. "Hey I wonder if she wears victoria secret underwear, holy crap send Blitzer to the convention with a shoe cam!"

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telco the reason clinton had a scandal at all was because he committed a felony in the process.

if he didn't lie under oath, then the storm would have passed and that would have been it. however the felonious lying under oath is why he should have been prosecuted. the president is held to the same standards we are.

Sarah wasnt under oath and she didnt lie, so whats the connection?

sorry telco more hot air as usual.

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All those little old ladies in the bible belt will have an opinion on this and will undoubtedly vote their conscious.

Sarah has more baggage than freight train.


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