HOLY SH*T HONDA S2000R Read this and drool

[NISMOdrift240]

we already got it all cleared up, but thanks for your input nismodrift

HAHAHA... I guess thats what i get for my slow azz AOL. I swear all those posts werent there when i replied, really.

[nlzmo400r]

haha, i bet they werent, but yes, this thread did get some wierd and somtimes non correct info, but i believe we got it all sorted out

[forsaken]

as far as i know there are actually two 2.2l motors from Honda. The H22 and an F22 that i think was in some accords. And the H22 with ~220hp is actually originally out of the Japanese Prelude Type S, which then made its way into the Accord.

[SloMoe]

the A22 i belive is another one, at least i think thats whats in US 3rd gen accords.

There is no A22, the motor that was used in the 3rd gen accord was the b20 (2 liter) the 4th and 5th gen accords use an F22 series motor, 1st and 2nd gen uses the older es2 and es3 carbuerated engines.

i am unaware of any use of a 'b22', the only 2.2 liter that i know of that honda has made in recent years is the h22, the euro accord R got 216hp @ 72oorpm and 162.74ft lbs of tq at 67oorpm, which is very close to hte h22's power figures (assuming they added a lil power for the 'R' factor) , this motor is also 2156cc (2.2liters), and was a 4dr, which i never understood

This motor is also used in the JDM prelude type-s with the same power numbers

SO WHAT SI GOT THE 2.2L WITH 220HP. I KNOW ITS A B22. I THOUGHT IT WAS THE PRELUDE. OHH WELL I GOT THE CARS WRONG BUT I KNOW I GOT THE ENGINES RIGHT. THE CARS SUCK ANYWAY ITS THE POWERPLANT THAT I WANT.

The USDM prelude si actually has the 2.3 liter H23 (DOHC non-vtec) the USDM Prelude VTEC has the 200hp H22

Just my 2cents

[nlzmo400r]

i dont think there was a h23, im sure there was only the h22, which had 2oohp, as a matter of fact, i drove one yestderday, had no poewr until u hit vtec

[NiSilS14]

you people seem to know a lot more about hondas than i do. my friend has a B20 and wants to make it Vtec and he told me that he can fit a B18 Head on it. i said why not just get the whole B18 engine. but anyway is it possible to do that?

[nlzmo400r]

yea its possible, with boring of the head of course, hondas are easily modifiable, and all being 'B' series motors, tehy can make countless hybrids out of them

[TomsMR2]

hondas suck.. really.

its all about torque curves. theres so much fapping over the NSX, which also sucks. the z06 spanks the nsx is every way possbile, even in the infamous TwIsTiEzzzz.

toyota/dsm have been making 100hp/L motors with WAY broader curves before honda even had a b16a. hondas suck, and im not saying that because im some anti-honda nazi.. its because they actually suck.

sure, you can make them run 10's. drop enough money fixing everythign wrong with any engine and it'll run 10's. fast hondas are FAR from stock. strap a cheapass $1K turbo on your KA, and a 1K turbo on a b16a and see which is faster. hondas were never made to go fast. they were made to get great gas mileage thru technology and lightweight.

everyones now ****ting their pants because the RSX is getting like 250hp and 170tq at the wheels na.. oh wow! nissan/dsm/toyota 2.0L motors can break 300/300, usually on stock internals.

so honda can pull 100hp/L na.. everyone else has been making more hp/L and tq/L with broader curves since the 90's with turbos.

honda sucks and deserves no respect. its the geo metro of the compact car performance world.

[Onizuka]

the motor that was used in the 3rd gen accord was the b20 (2 liter)

errrrr, its the A20, not B20, and somebody already told me it was 2 liter like 10 posts ago.

[Megaseth]

^werd. the SR can handle around 400 on stock internals, and if im working this out right, thats 200hp per L. hmmm. and the RB, 800 on stockies, i think. plus an a$$ load of torque. and i dont think japan will be getting rid of the gentlemens agreement of "no car can make more than 280hp"

did anyone catch the little part in the article where the guy was talking about how its made, the body. balsa wood and composites!! hmm, something about a balsa wood car just scares me.

[Onizuka]

hondas suck.. really.

its all about torque curves. theres so much fapping over the NSX, which also sucks. the z06 spanks the nsx is every way possbile, even in the infamous TwIsTiEzzzz.

toyota/dsm have been making 100hp/L motors with WAY broader curves before honda even had a b16a. hondas suck, and im not saying that because im some anti-honda nazi.. its because they actually suck.

sure, you can make them run 10's. drop enough money fixing everythign wrong with any engine and it'll run 10's. fast hondas are FAR from stock. strap a cheapass $1K turbo on your KA, and a 1K turbo on a b16a and see which is faster. hondas were never made to go fast. they were made to get great gas mileage thru technology and lightweight.

everyones now ****ting their pants because the RSX is getting like 250hp and 170tq at the wheels na.. oh wow! nissan/dsm/toyota 2.0L motors can break 300/300, usually on stock internals.

so honda can pull 100hp/L na.. everyone else has been making more hp/L and tq/L with broader curves since the 90's with turbos.

honda sucks and deserves no respect. its the geo metro of the compact car performance world.

:withstup

yeah so a $500 CRX and a $2000 B16 motor swap wouldnt beat any thing, its so slow in the 1/4mile and turns for crap :rolleyes

and nissan/toyota/mitsubishi N/A 2.0 liters make so much more power than honda N/A 2.0 liters (read: sarcasm)

PS, i saw a cool azz Geo Storm in SCC, AWD turbo 1.6 liter. Dont hate, appreciate.

[AznRide]

you people seem to know a lot more about hondas than i do. my friend has a B20 and wants to make it Vtec and he told me that he can fit a B18 Head on it. i said why not just get the whole B18 engine. but anyway is it possible to do that?

yea its possible, with boring of the head of course, hondas are easily modifiable, and all being 'B' series motors, tehy can make countless hybrids out of them

Actually, B20 is nothing but another B16 or a b18. My friend has a b20 block, with the Vtec of a B16. They are bolt on. The oil hole is already been templated, so it's a piece of cake. The reason people wants the b20 because of it's tq. It has the MOST tq in the B series engine. Know why? Cause it was orignated from the SUV, which requires TQ. A stock B20 in a civic ran 14.5-15 all day.

[SloMoe]

i dont think there was a h23, im sure there was only the h22, which had 2oohp, as a matter of fact, i drove one yestderday, had no poewr until u hit vtec

The H23a came in the 92-96 preludes the USDM h23 (DOHC non-vtec) had 160hp crank horsepower and the JDM H23 had 200HP the USDM H22a (DOHC Vtec) has 200HP

[nlzmo400r]

The H23a came in the 92-96 preludes the USDM h23 (DOHC non-vtec) had 160hp crank horsepower and the JDM H23 had 200HP the USDM H22a (DOHC Vtec) has 200HP

ooo, so i was wrong, thanks for the correct info, sorry for the false information guys, and i know about the b2o's torque, because it comes out of a crv, but i didnt know the b16 head would 'bolt on' to the b2o block, and why would honda make the h23 with no vtec for usdm with 16ohp and 2oohp for japanese (did they get a vtec head?)

[89240sx]

why do we even care what honda has?

[nlzmo400r]

i still like honda, i woulndt neccesarily buy one, but i like them and respect them for what they are, i drove an o1 prelude yesterday, it was quick as hell once u hit vtec, but until then, the power seemed way to lackluster for me, no tq, but if honda makes a motor with substantial torque in a compact car, for a decent price, i would def consider buying one

[89240sx]

blah blah blah ...who cares ... they are still slow no matter what and my point was ... why are we wasting NICO space on a Honda discussion?

you can say that this honda is fast ... well you even stated it has a turbo! ...

it just gets old everybody gabbing on and on about Honda on a Nissan forum

[nlzmo400r]

im still a die hard nissan fan :ylsuper

[Onizuka]

blah blah blah ...who cares ... they are still slow no matter what and my point was ... why are we wasting NICO space on a Honda discussion?

No offense but that is the same elitest attitude that tends to make boards suck, and by suck i mean suck azz.....

the S2000 is a very hot car, it looks way better than any 240 i have seen stock (the s14a is about even) and it will kick the sht out of most people's cars on this forum in stock form, how can you not give respect to that?

[89240sx]

I give respect to real sports cars... and no i dont mean the 240sx

honda deserves no sports car respect...

anyway i figure if you want to go on and on about honda then do it on a honda forum

[Megaseth]

My neighbor has a pretty nice Honda Mower. its a real beast when the VTEC kicks in. i was thinking of doing a LS swap and maybe a turbo so i can mow the lawn in like sub 12 second times.

[89240sx]

:ylsuper

[nlzmo400r]

well i give honda respect, nsx, s2ooo, i dont know what those should be called if they are not called sports cars, the nsx/s2ooo are no less of sports car then GT-R/35oZ respectively

[89240sx]

the nsx doesnt even push 300hp! and its a v6

its hardly a sports car... no offence

[nlzmo400r]

yes but its not always the engine to look at, the nsx is one of the most well balanced cars ever built, and you dont need crazy powre to make it a sports car, like i, one of the best suspensoins ever built, is teh GTR not a sports car??! its got about 3oohp our of a straight 6, hell look at the lotus elise, 197hp and will run rings around cars with much more power,

[89240sx]

here are some sports car specs:

Engine No. of cylinders 10 Displacement 5.7 liters Maximum power (SAE) 605 hp @ 8,000 rpm Maximum torque 435 lb-ft @ 5,750 rpm Maximum engine speed (revs) 8,400 rpm Compression ratio 12.0 : 1 Transmission Layout Rear-wheel drive Gearbox Six-speed manual Clutch Two-plate ceramic dry clutch (Porsche Ceramic Composite Clutch) Limited-slip differential Multi-plate with locking under power and on overrun Running Gear Front suspension Double wishbones with inboard spring-and-damper units Rear suspension Double wishbones with inboard spring-and-damper units Steering Power-assisted rack-and-pinion steering Brake Porsche Ceramic Composite Brake (PCCB) with 14.96 in (380-mm) ceramic discs internally vented and cross-drilled, six-piston monobloc aluminium fixed calipers front and rear Traction control/ABS Traction control with ABD and ASR; ABS 5.7 (four-channel system) Wheels Front: 19 x 9.5Rear: 20 x 12.5 Tires Front: 265/35 ZR 19Rear: 335/30 ZR 20 Weights Unladen weight (DIN) 3,042 lbs (1,380 kg) Performance Top track speed 205 mph (330 km/h) 0-60 mph 3.8 secs 0-62 mph 3.9 secs 0-124 mph 9.9 secs 50-75 mph 4.0 secs (in fifth gear) Quarter mile 11.4 secs Fuel economy Not available at time of publishing Dimensions Length 181.61 in (4,613 mm) Width 75.63 in (1,921 mm) Height 45.91 in (1,166 mm) Wheelbase 107.48 in (2,730 mm) Luggage compartment volume (VDA) 2.2 cu ft (63 liters)72 liters non US markets Tank capacity (refill volume) 24 US gallons (92 liters) Engine Water-cooled, naturally-aspirated V10 with 68-degree angle and four valve heads; engine mid-mounted with longitudinal layout Specific output: 105.5 hp (SAE) per liter Dry-sump lubrication with nine-fold oil pickup for optimum performance under all load conditions Titanium connecting rods for smoother and more immediate engine response VarioCam® variable valve control on intake camshafts Electronic engine management (2x Motronic ME7.1.1) Aluminium twin-flow resonance intake manifold On-board diagnostics for monitoring the emission control system Stereo lambda control Transmission Rear-wheel drive Six-speed manual gearbox; transverse layout with transmission oil cooler Limited-slip differential with locking under power and on overrun Two-plate ceramic dry clutch: Porsche Ceramic Composite Clutch (PCCC) Chassis Double wishbones with pushrod actuated spring-and-damper units on front and rear axle Power-assisted rack-and-pinion steering Forged magnesium wheels with high-speed Michelin tires (front: 19 x 9.5 with 265/35 ZR 19, rear: 20 x 12.5 with 335/30 ZR 20), central locking system and tire pressure monitoring Body Open-top two-seater layout with two-piece detachable hardtop in carbon fiber Carbon-fiber chassis (consisting of monocoque, windscreen surround and supplemental safety system) Carbon-fiber carrier for engine, gearbox and rear suspension with a honeycomb core Engine carrier bolted to rear of monocoque as second fully stressed member Frameless doors in carbon fiber with integrated side-impact protection Front/rear lids, rear side panels and sill panels in carbon fiber Front and rear aprons in plastic Automatically extending rear wing Underbody panelling with rear diffuser Electrical systems Remote central locking Electric windows with door-seal protection Power release lids Electrically adjusted mirrors with internal heating Single-blade windscreen wiper Safety Porsche Ceramic Composite Brake (PCCB) with 14.96 inches (380-mm) ceramic discs internally vented and cross-drilled, six-piston monobloc aluminium fixed calipers front and rear Traction control with ABD and ASR; ABS 5.7 (four channel system) Driver and passenger airbags, side airbags Bi-xenon lighting system with halogen auxiliary lights and integrated headlight cleaning system LED tail-light technology Anti-theft protection system with infrared interior surveillance Electronic engine immobilizer Comfort Bucket seats in leather with a carbon fiber and Kevlar shell Center console with magnesium surround and raised gear lever Aluminium gear lever with laminated wood gearshift knob Five-piece travel set

[Onizuka]

the nsx doesnt even push 300hp! and its a v6

its hardly a sports car... no offence

I guess the skylnie GT-R is hardly a sports car too then, only has 280 hp and is only a 6 cylinder!! no offense...

[89240sx]

it is hardly a sports car.

[Onizuka]

why do you even own a 240sx then? Go buy a tubby camaro or something and drive in a strait line or something.....

[89240sx]

not all fast cars just drive in a straight line.... thats just a defense you have when somebody calls out your car for what it is.....

you think a porsche just drives in a straight line?