HOLY SH*T HONDA S2000R Read this and drool
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Onizuka
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ok im going to get drunk and watch fireworks, you have your opinions and i obviously cant change them. Your 240 might not be a sports car but mine is by my own very high standerds. Its just sad that dont have apprecieation for a good thing, i dont think you should be into cars, it doesnt seem to be the hobby you (for obvious reasons).
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nlzmo400r
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8924osx, the cars u mentioned are supercars, not sportscars, i would most defintely call a 35oZ a sports car, however i would call a pagani zonda a supercar without a doubt, and ti me, in a totally different class than a 35oZ or skyline, its just simply not fail to compare a 35k 35oZ to a 35ok Pagani Zonda, not to metnion the motors, 2.6 vs 7.3, straight 6 vs v12, 55ohp vs 3oohp
not all hondas are sports cars. i would consider the s2000 and the nsx a sports car. civics are sport compacts and preludes and integras are sumwhere between sport compacts and sports cars. just becase of the fact that they are front wheel drive. a 240sx is defined as a sports car but i think it would be sportier with a beefier motor and more power. and also u cannot compare a nsx to a skyline because of the simple fact that nsx is na and the skyline uses twin turbo. totally different things to compare. if u want to compare a skyline to something then compare it to a mitsubishi 3000gt or a toyota supra because of the 6 cylinder turbo deal. ad as far is this goes i think this thread is about done. no sense in having a honda forum in a nico forum. totally different leagues if u catch my drift. i wud still rather own a nissan tha a honda but it is only because of the fact that hondas are too popular and i want something different. possibly after i get my s14 i might buy a 97 gsr and do a jdm conversion. yes u heard that right. also ive seen hondas do 7 second quarter miles. of course they are dragsters but yet to see a nissan go there. not hating nissan, just making a point. besides ive written too much already and most of u people are thickheaded so no point to it. period.
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Nameless EJ6
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I've seen this same hoax with the S2200.
hehe.. I'll believe it when I see it.
The Inline 6's weight would ruin the design for the car. If you know how the S2000 is designed, you'd know what I mean. I don't see how they could pull it off without changing some things on the body.
This would be alot of competition for the NSX sales too. It's bogus..
hehe.. I'll believe it when I see it.
The Inline 6's weight would ruin the design for the car. If you know how the S2000 is designed, you'd know what I mean. I don't see how they could pull it off without changing some things on the body.
This would be alot of competition for the NSX sales too. It's bogus..
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nlzmo400r
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:werd nsx sales pretty much suck, but as far as comparing the skyline to the nsx, that is a totally fair comparo if u ask me, i dont see how its unfare just because the skyline has twin turbo's, hell the old f4o only had a 3.o liter twin turbo v8, but i wouldnt hesitate to compare it to other 'wierd' supercars, such as the xj22o, which has a twin turbo v6, the only reason i can see an nsx being in a 'higher' league than the skyline (not performance wise) but price wise, in japan (since we have to go through the whole importation thing) i would say 1ook compared to under 6ok is a quite a bit difference
89240 WTF are you talking about? OOOAAAHHHH nothing?? ok i though so.
This thread pisses me off.
Why everyone always hate on hondas. The boxter IS a sports car Don't hate cause you can't afford one. Its nice. All you guys sound like the average mustang guy thinkin' he has the baddest car on the road. Check this out a turbo B16 in a CRX will SMOKE a turbo ka20 you guys should really come back to reality and realize that the 240 isn't the best at anything... I own one and it's fun but if you are gonna say hondas suck because they don't make the most hp or porches suck because they only have a flat 6 blah blah blah... noone here makes more HP/L than a F1 Car. Noone runs as fast as a Top Fuel Dragster... Noone corners like a... umm F1 Car.
Oah and DON"T POST ANYTHING that isn't acurate that just makes the boards muddy and makes people who don't know learn the wrong crap.
This thread pisses me off.
Why everyone always hate on hondas. The boxter IS a sports car Don't hate cause you can't afford one. Its nice. All you guys sound like the average mustang guy thinkin' he has the baddest car on the road. Check this out a turbo B16 in a CRX will SMOKE a turbo ka20 you guys should really come back to reality and realize that the 240 isn't the best at anything... I own one and it's fun but if you are gonna say hondas suck because they don't make the most hp or porches suck because they only have a flat 6 blah blah blah... noone here makes more HP/L than a F1 Car. Noone runs as fast as a Top Fuel Dragster... Noone corners like a... umm F1 Car.
Oah and DON"T POST ANYTHING that isn't acurate that just makes the boards muddy and makes people who don't know learn the wrong crap.
If i could afford a boxter I would NOT buy one , I think they are the crappiest car porsche made aside from that Datsun POS .... and furthermore I was only stating that Honda was NOT and is NOT a sports car! and I also stated that the 240 is NOT a sports car! and I also said that the only reason any of these cars get fast is by turbo ... read before you throw a temper tantrum..
i agree with the boxster part. why buy a boxster when u could buy a 350z with the same money and have extra cash for mods? and a for hondas, they are not sports car except the s2000 and the nsx. take my word for it. as for nissan a 240sx is not a sports car and neither is a sentra ser. the only true sports cars are silvias, skylines, and Zs. any car that is front wheel drive is definately not a sports car.
This thread so far is good for a laugh. No substantial info about the next S2000 though...
You people have gone back and forth about various Honda engines, some of the usual basic info.... and some serious guesswork/heresay/misinformation.
Here's the deal: the '04 S2000, available this fall, under whatever name they give it, will be sporting a 2.2liter 4cyl, same 240hp, with an as yet unspecified increase in torque. A lower redline, and a lower torque peak will meet slightly tweaked gear ratios to make better use of the new torque output. Ride quality will be upped with slightly softer suspension. Minimal exterior changes.
As it is, to get maximum hustle from the present car, you really do need to wind up the engine constantly, so these changes should make a big difference. If you've actually driven a current model car, you know first hand what I'm talking about.
I wouldn't post info if I didn't have documentation. Find this new Honda information on pg.36 of Car&Driver, August '03.The info is out there. You've got to want to find it, and I think this discussion has shown that some members would rather toss around b.s. than find the facts and report them to our NICO family. What gives?
You people have gone back and forth about various Honda engines, some of the usual basic info.... and some serious guesswork/heresay/misinformation.
Here's the deal: the '04 S2000, available this fall, under whatever name they give it, will be sporting a 2.2liter 4cyl, same 240hp, with an as yet unspecified increase in torque. A lower redline, and a lower torque peak will meet slightly tweaked gear ratios to make better use of the new torque output. Ride quality will be upped with slightly softer suspension. Minimal exterior changes.
As it is, to get maximum hustle from the present car, you really do need to wind up the engine constantly, so these changes should make a big difference. If you've actually driven a current model car, you know first hand what I'm talking about.
I wouldn't post info if I didn't have documentation. Find this new Honda information on pg.36 of Car&Driver, August '03.The info is out there. You've got to want to find it, and I think this discussion has shown that some members would rather toss around b.s. than find the facts and report them to our NICO family. What gives?
fine fine... then the only sports cars on the road are the Mazda Miata and the MG Midget... sorry i forgot. If you wanna define them like they are suposed to be. After all the S2k is too heavy and the Porche Carrera GT is mid engined... the definitaion of a sports car has changed sence the 60's guys get with the times....
and about the boxter. Sure is the suckiest thing porche makes but just becase it is the suckiest porche doens't mean it is not a great car. Come on guys the boxter isn't targeted at people who can't afford a weekend toy like that. See they make it for people who just want a porche. They also make if fast enough to eat almost all the sport compacts for lunch. Oah and it has 2 nce trunks and handles wonderfully.
Having the crappy porche isn't like having a bottom of the line toyota, nissan, or honda... you shouldn't really compare it to that....
and about the boxter. Sure is the suckiest thing porche makes but just becase it is the suckiest porche doens't mean it is not a great car. Come on guys the boxter isn't targeted at people who can't afford a weekend toy like that. See they make it for people who just want a porche. They also make if fast enough to eat almost all the sport compacts for lunch. Oah and it has 2 nce trunks and handles wonderfully.
Having the crappy porche isn't like having a bottom of the line toyota, nissan, or honda... you shouldn't really compare it to that....
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nlzmo400r
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you've got a point there, its still a porsche regardless, and the only reason why poeple think it sucks so bad is because when u look at the rest of porsche's lineup, well it does, however its much cheaper than the rest of the porsche's anyway, and as far as NO FWD car being a sports car, if it were 3o years ago, i would agree, but now, with ITRs running track times just as fast as silvias and such, id' say the tide is turning somewhat, however this is all opinion, i realize this, but it seems that some people on this site have a hard time believing anything is a sports car, basically those people sound like people 15 years ago saying if it doesnt have a v8, its not a sportscar
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jrc90240sx
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I like the S2000, i just dont fit in it, knees hit the dash.(damn you honda!!)
A new NSX is way over priced for its preformance, just like getting a Skyline in the USA, your not paying for its preformance.
I like the 240sx and the 300zx because i fit in them, being 6'6" cancels out alot of cars for me. Zo6 is the best alround preformance car avalible right know. Oh and in the new MotorTrend, it said GM was looking to display a concept car in Euro based on the Pontiac Solstic, and if it dose well they might build the Solstic. cant complain about 245 hp, rwd, and a curb wieght under 2700lbs.
A new NSX is way over priced for its preformance, just like getting a Skyline in the USA, your not paying for its preformance.
I like the 240sx and the 300zx because i fit in them, being 6'6" cancels out alot of cars for me. Zo6 is the best alround preformance car avalible right know. Oh and in the new MotorTrend, it said GM was looking to display a concept car in Euro based on the Pontiac Solstic, and if it dose well they might build the Solstic. cant complain about 245 hp, rwd, and a curb wieght under 2700lbs.
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jrc90240sx
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hmm well i guess u cud say a z06 is the best performance car for its price out there right now but i think a mustang cobra has better value with only a 15 horsepower difference for 15 thousand dollars if u know what i mean. and 89240sx yes hondas are slow but so are 240's. any car needs mods to be quicker and thats the fact for almost any car u buy unless its a muscle car or an exotic. ive seen quicker hondas then i have seen nissans on the street and on the tracks. i think many people on this forum arent open minded enough to accept facts since we base most information in opinionated statements. and well as for the sports car deal, i guess everyoe has their own envision of a sportscar but afterall there is a reason integras and preludes are called sport compacts rather than sports cars. it is aso the same reason why nissan maximas ae called sport sedans. i think a sports ar is defined by the way it was many years ago and that is the fact that a sports car should be rear wheel drive. recently we have started to accept all wheel drive vehicles in a similar category but have u ever wondered why no exotic sports car is ever front wheel drive. also i think a sports car is called a sports car because of its handling capabilities and speed is sumwhat substantial to a sports car but i think a sports car is defined more as a car than u can have fun in. something like a mazda miata or toyota mr2. a skyline and a mitsubishi 3000gt are definately sports cars. Zs and supras can fall in the same category but it seems that any V6 sports car made in japan was more of an answer to american muscle cars even though it came late. and well as for v8s, they arent called sports cars, they are called muscle cars an its pretty obvious why.
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jrc90240sx
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Well i was going to say something about the 03 Cobra in my frist post, but took it out so i didnt get **** for talking about Cobra. even though i fully respect all mustangs, alot of people hate them more then any other car. and yes your right, they are the best bang for the buck, considering with only 5k in upgrades gets you into the high 11s and pulling over 1lg. but the vo6 still seets right above it in my book.
geez this discussion has gotten really bad, so i figured i would throw in my 2 cents
89240sx, you say the nsx is bad because it has a v6 and makes under 300hp, well it makes 292hp, all that out of a V6 that ain't exactly big (3.2), i would like u to name me some more 3.2 engines that can do this, let's look at some comparisons , the 350z, 3.5 L 287 hp, next the NA supra 3.0 i6 220 hp, z4 is 3.0 I6 and 225 hp, so 292 hp is pretty damn good
so to be a "sports car" it has to have a V10? few cars fit this category
you can, can be fast in a honda without spending alot, the H22 out of a prelude will drop pretty easily into a civic 200hp in a 2200lb car, that's pretty quick
as for displacment per Litre 89240sx, you say that lots of other cars, have high Hp/L numbers, yes but they do this with forced induction, B18C puts out 200hp, thats 111hp/L, name any other regualr production NA engine that can equal this, and be readily available
don't get me wrong, i hate riced out hondas, or dumbazz civi drivers who think a muffler adds 20 hp, but i do respect that these some of these cars are fast stock, and can be made fast
hating on a car just because it's from a company, is flat out dumb, i'm sure a lot of people on these forums would hate thes2000R even if it was actually made, simply because it has an H on the hood,
it's bad, sometimes some of you begin to sound like mustang or F body owners, who hate all imports simply cause they are imports
respect a car, for it's speed, handling, looks, technology and overall performance, don't disrespect a car becasue of who made it
89240sx, you say the nsx is bad because it has a v6 and makes under 300hp, well it makes 292hp, all that out of a V6 that ain't exactly big (3.2), i would like u to name me some more 3.2 engines that can do this, let's look at some comparisons , the 350z, 3.5 L 287 hp, next the NA supra 3.0 i6 220 hp, z4 is 3.0 I6 and 225 hp, so 292 hp is pretty damn good
so to be a "sports car" it has to have a V10? few cars fit this category
you can, can be fast in a honda without spending alot, the H22 out of a prelude will drop pretty easily into a civic 200hp in a 2200lb car, that's pretty quick
as for displacment per Litre 89240sx, you say that lots of other cars, have high Hp/L numbers, yes but they do this with forced induction, B18C puts out 200hp, thats 111hp/L, name any other regualr production NA engine that can equal this, and be readily available
don't get me wrong, i hate riced out hondas, or dumbazz civi drivers who think a muffler adds 20 hp, but i do respect that these some of these cars are fast stock, and can be made fast
hating on a car just because it's from a company, is flat out dumb, i'm sure a lot of people on these forums would hate thes2000R even if it was actually made, simply because it has an H on the hood,
it's bad, sometimes some of you begin to sound like mustang or F body owners, who hate all imports simply cause they are imports
respect a car, for it's speed, handling, looks, technology and overall performance, don't disrespect a car becasue of who made it
yashin wrote:hating on a car just because it's from a company, is flat out dumb, i'm sure a lot of people on these forums would hate thes2000R even if it was actually made, simply because it has an H on the hood,
I for one would love the S2000R, especially because its got the H emblem. I mean once the basic premise of a design is settled upon(and what a concept it is, it is the perfect M roadster killer) the remaining challenge to a manufacturer is in the area of component design, assembly, quality control, etc. These are things Honda do very well.