Help me pick a T3 for Drag racing

[GODCHSR]

Good luck getting your 240sx to lift on launch.

Not expecting that. Just building anti-squat.

[GODCHSR]

Like I said, I cut 1.6's and I HAVE SOFT SUSPENSION. That's fact...no need to argue anything on my end. We're talking about eeking every last bit of performance out here. Which is a conversation that I don't even fit in

ok

[GODCHSR]

Camaros new IRS coilovers:Pfadt Camaro Coil Overs with Drag front springs will keep the back end tight not allowing it to squat thus keeping your alignment where it needs to be and the tire contact patch as large as possible

... I know making a comment about "googles searches" and "copy and paste" is somewhat of an insult but the reality is I don't have the first hand experience and I am relying on other people who are succesful. There is no way I could convince the hardcore drag tuners and 1 shop owner I know who even got me thinking about this, to come in here and engage in a pissing match. So if I had something new to offer you I would but even teachers use text books. There's nothing wrong with me grabbing relevant and easy to obtain information.

I am sure Ivan, Titan and AMS would be dying knowing you posted their name in association with the idea that squat is what they believe in... or something.?.?.?

WD if you're that good on soft springs, then you'd be even better on a proper suspension tune. This is not a debate and I am done discussing it in particular because I started out saying I was not interested in an argument. I was simply correcting the wrong assertions made others about tuning.

It is not about 'me' being right... it's not even about 'me' telling others they are wrong. It's merely defending the truth. Humility is the key to the knowledge of truth but those with stubborn pride will die in a bed of lies.

[WDRacing]

I'm not really debating anything brosef. I know that a properly tuned suspension is better then something that's just soft enough to assist with loading the tires enough to help me go fwd instead of spinning.

I usually cut between a 1.6 and a 1.9 with drag radials. So long as I'm under 2.0 I think I'm doing well.

My main thing is I can't afford to do the suspension correctly at this point in time. Hell I'd love to do a solid rear conversion with traction bars. That would open the door for gear combos and actual aftermarket support...lol.

An open mind is the key to enlightenment. Humility isn't really my thing

[GODCHSR]

I'm not really debating anything brosef. I know that a properly tuned suspension is better then something that's just soft enough to assist with loading the tires enough to help me go fwd instead of spinning.

I usually cut between a 1.6 and a 1.9 with drag radials. So long as I'm under 2.0 I think I'm doing well.

My main thing is I can't afford to do the suspension correctly at this point in time. Hell I'd love to do a solid rear conversion with traction bars. That would open the door for gear combos and actual aftermarket support...lol.

An open mind is the key to enlightenment. Humility isn't really my thing

I'm new to the humility thing.. lol

I hope to God I can get below 2.0 I won't have any suspension issues (imo, haha) but for me it's gonna be a learning process and tuning it right.

Since I'll be doing a 2 Step launch.

Well tomorrow I get the rest of the good stuff ordered! SPL diff and subframe bushings and Megan arms.

On Thursday the clutch/flywheel will be done and I'll do some driving around and come back and tell you how hard it is to drive a stage 5 unsprung clutch! lol

[visser003]

Squat is not bad, it has been used in drag for MANY years. Anti-squat is a relatively new idea and has been found to slightly outperform the previous squat setups.

That being said, you are making it seem like a world of difference and the fact is it only will slightly outperform a properly setup squat.

Anti-squat, though, is extremely hard to setup correctly to gain more benefit compared to squatting.Your not a professional with a team of engineers, if you want the max performance you should go with a softer rear.

[GODCHSR]

Squat is not bad, it has been used in drag for MANY years. Anti-squat is a relatively new idea and has been found to slightly outperform the previous squat setups.

That being said, you are making it seem like a world of difference and the fact is it only will slightly outperform a properly setup squat.

Anti-squat, though, is extremely hard to setup correctly to gain more benefit compared to squatting.Your not a professional with a team of engineers, if you want the max performance you should go with a softer rear.

The only reason I said anything about anti-squat was because it was said that my stiff coilover springs wouldn't be good for drag. That's the ONLY reason I said anything.

Seriously is wrong with you people... you're making something of what it shouldn't be. Anti-squat is better than squat. PERIOD. None of you and I mean NONE of you can prove otherwise.

So show me proof of your claim _____ or say nothing at all
Modified by GODCHSR at 6:50 PM 2/9/2010

[GODCHSR]

Put a soft spring on a scale and punch it... go ahead now.Put a stiff spring on a scale and punch it.. go ahead now.

Let me know which spring transfered more power from your fist to the ground.
Modified by GODCHSR at 6:48 PM 2/9/2010

[spank044]

Calm down pal. We were having a discussion about what we feel and think. You are the only one getting angry and upset by any of the comments posted. We are all in titled to our opinions without you needing to call names or make gay remarks. You need to learn how to accept a little opposition with some integrity, if you need to take a couple minute breather before you reply. I learned a long time ago it isn't worth getting mad over what someone types on a forum.

[GODCHSR]

Calm down pal. We were having a discussion about what we feel and think. You are the only one getting angry and upset by any of the comments posted. We are all in titled to our opinions without you needing to call names or make gay remarks. You need to learn how to accept a little opposition with some integrity, if you need to take a couple minute breather before you reply. I learned a long time ago it isn't worth getting mad over what someone types on a forum.

I'm sorry for saying unecessary things, I'll edit it.

Aside from that though... It's not like we are debating if Pizza or Tacos are better!?!?!?!? THAT would be an opinion. We're talking about something with evidence and proof.

2+2=4 and I can prove it.

I mean my simple example in punching a spring is more than enough evidence.

I could also stand you against a wall and in one hand have a 1lb tennis ball and in the other one a 1lb baseball: Spank, which one would you want me to throw at you?Of course the tennis ball because it wouldn't hurt as much. Why? The characteristics of the tennis ball absorb energy thus putting less power against the wall.

Despite the fact that both balls weigh the same amount; the "stiffer" one will hurt more because of it's ability to transfer energy from itself into your body.

The ability for the weight transfer of the front of the car to reach the TIRES is entirely dependant on the ability of the springs to "transfer" the energy THROUGH them, not absorb INTO them.

[Bernard]

So...

I SERIOUSLY just want to go automatic. If I had the money to bolt up a TH400 I'd be ALL over it. Sadly, I do not have the funds for that.

I wonder how much power the KA slushbox would hold if I had Precision Industries rebuild the converter? Any guesses? Assuming that the only time it would see nitrous or more boost then 10 psi would be on the track. Also, KA auto's are literally lying around everywhere. I could probably get 4-5 donated to the cause from just Nico members alone I have one just sitting in my yard under a tarp

I got an email from Goran at GZM in australia. They are a jatco specialist and he responded to me asking about either the 01 or 03 for my 600whp goal by say that the 01 might live at that level for a while but the 03 would be a better choice. They have the valve body for high powered versions of either trans as well as rebuild spec sheets for max duty setups. My 3n71 is strong enough but I want overdrive for highway driving

[WDRacing]

So show me proof of your claim _____ or say nothing at all

Really Stephen? I'm sorry man but there is always room for discussion about every topic. Time and again the guys reading this thread have stated that no-squat set ups have the potential to be SLIGHTLY better then a properly set up softer rear end. But the gain is minimal. Unless you're comparing stock suspension to the aftermarket one you'll be using, in which case that's a awful comparison.

The initial couple of posts after you mentioned getting the harder coil-overs were made because we had very little in the way of information. How were we to know your plans?

Coilovers are in.

Why didn't anyone tell me it would make such a HUGE difference! Holy CRAP! Seriously the thing barely has any give at all. It is TIGHT!!!!

I was showing some friends in my garage yesterday. I stood on the trunk and bounced my weight and it BARELY moved at all.

I am in awe.... going to the store was awesome too... IE:Normally I would have to get a slight swing from to right to 'throw' the car one way in order to compensate for the sway/energy being absorbed... NO more.. NO MORE! I can turn and hit the gas and the thing just slides! I mean seriously, it just freaking goes sideways!

Anyway, having a welded diff helps a ton I am sure, but for the record... coil-overs are THEE way to go.

I don't see anywhere in your initial post about the current subject where you state openly and clearly that you're aiming for a properly tuned no-squat set up. THAT would have been the time to explain your goals and why you're going with a harder set up compared to the usual softer suspension that relies heavily on squat to maintain traction. Perhaps you were trying to educate us, but you did so poorly and with an arrogant tone. The internet doesn't express emotion well.

We posted with limited info to go on. After you made your goal clear you'll notice that we did acknowledge that no-squat has the potential to be better. Potential being the key word there.

Here's a tip, if you want 2 way communication you can't tell people they are simply wrong and don't know what they are talking about. Especially when squat DOES work. Granted, like I already said, if set up correctly the no-squat launch has more potential then softer squat. But a softer suspension out back that allows for squat DOES assist with maintaining traction on launch, which you even acknowledged yourself in one of your posts. Just because one way has the potential to be better then another does NOT mean the other option is all of the sudden a bad choice.

Lets all calm down and remember that this is a discussion forum. People have different idea's and goals and they are all welcome here.

WD

[GODCHSR]

Really Stephen? I'm sorry man but there is always room for discussion about every topic.

Yes, room for discussion to find out the right answer. Squat is inferior on every level to an anti-squat (or better yet, rear lift) setup in every way on EVERY type of suspension.

Perhaps you were trying to educate us, but you did so poorly and with an arrogant tone. The internet doesn't express emotion well.

I agree... that my tone became arrogant but only after arguing an issue where the answer is tangible. If we were discussing pizza and tacos I would not be arrogant is saying Pizza is better, because I "think' it is.We are discussing simple and proven science... not scientific 'theories'. I don't care about opinions, I care about evidence. Show me the evidence.It's "me" that is arrogant, I myself did not create the law of physics... but the law of physics remains. So I will defend the truth and that is what I have stated.

If you believe I am wrong then show me proof.

We posted with limited info to go on. After you made your goal clear you'll notice that we did acknowledge that no-squat has the potential to be better. Potential being the key word there.

My intentions are to go from 0-fast as quick as possible. A stiff suspensionw ill make that happen more quickly.

Here's a tip, if you want 2 way communication you can't tell people they are simply wrong and don't know what they are talking about. Especially when squat DOES work.

Squat does work just like a crappy suspension "can" work when drifting but it doesn't mean you should.

Your advice about communication is true and I agree. but I can't not emphasize enough that I defended the truth against multiple rebuttles despite the fact that not ONE person presented any argument that contained sound logic.

If you think am wrong I dare you (or anyone) to call up one of the manufacturers of drag racing suspension and try and tell them your "theory". They will get frustrated at the level of arrogance that YOU (not specifically you but for the example) would have in trying to tell them that they are wrong! lol

Lets all calm down and remember that this is a discussion forum. People have different idea's and goals and they are all welcome here.

I agree but for the record people... I don't care about ideas and opinions unless we're in the exterior/interior styling thread. Then you can debate what wheels or sideskirts look better.

In HERE I only care about facts.

[WDRacing]

Just for the record, since we're talking about facts here, you're only going to gain a couple tenths on the launch IF you set it up correctly. Going stiff isn't then end all to fast times homie. One of the reasons you're getting a rebuttal is because you're acting as if you're going to shave off entire seconds when you simply aren't going to.

Best of luck to ya.

[GODCHSR]

Just for the record, since we're talking about facts here, you're only going to gain a couple tenths on the launch IF you set it up correctly. Going stiff isn't then end all to fast times homie. One of the reasons you're getting a rebuttal is because you're acting as if you're going to shave off entire seconds when you simply aren't going to.

Best of luck to ya.

Dude, this is really stupid... I never once acted like it was going to take full seconds off... but this is a drag race right??? I mean 10ths do make a major difference, right? People spends thousands of dollars to shave tenths... I AM TRYING TO BREAK A RECORD HERE!!!!!!!

WD I don't question you are a smart guy because you obviously have a good reputation and I trust that.Don't assume that my lack of reputation is a lack of knowledge. I said from the get go that I didn't want to get into a d!ck measuring contest, I just wanted to provide accurate information and I did provide it.

I have every tool at my disposal and no stone is being left unturned by me. That means serious amounts of humility... Which BTW is how I came into the knowledge of anti-squat/rear lift suspension. A 9 sec guru shop owner told me... I doubted him but HUMBLY said I would go research it. I did and he was right (via science and major developers of drag suspension tuning).

If any amount of humility had been expressed concerning this situation from the "squat squad" then you all would have eventually said, "Good info Godchsr!... I'm glad you're not like some newb idiot who just comes in here and runs his mouth."

Where's my props?

(btw I bought solid motor mounts today.)

[GODCHSR]

Pilot bearing replacedFlywheel installed.

Clutch/PP is going in now

[1991ls13]

just get this turbo and call it a day

[spank044]

I AM TRYING TO BREAK A RECORD HERE!!!!!!!

What record?

[trackslut240]

This record... this thread is getting interesting by the day... cant wait to see the results .... its 10.99 or bust... GOOD LUCK TO both of you GODCHSR and WD!!!where the heck is summer....

Sweet!

The tuning all takin care of. I already bought the AEM EMS, just need injectors and new turbo.

I'm shooting for 450rwhp and high tens... 10.99 at least. yikes... lol

[GODCHSR]

Thanks Slut! hahaha That's awesome to say legitimately.

10.99 or bust on a stock block.

IIRC correctly 11.03 was what I had found a few months ago to be the fastest time.

If I can't do it, then I can't do it. If that's the case I'll probably build my spare block and make a 10 second Daily Driver.

BUT I am not thinking like that right now.Right now even milli-second matters... wheels, interior, suspension, tuning, weight... I am going to start with everything and quickly make it lighter and lighter until I am maxed out... then I start turning up the boost 1psi at a time until the thing explodes.

I am not joking even a little bit. Every run from beginning to end will be recorded on my Sony HD cam. I probably won't 'post' my initial runs since they'll have bad 60' foot times and look a bit newbish. but they'll be great for creating a play by play locker room review.

[GODCHSR]

just get this turbo and call it a day

I've already got the turbo. HX35

Need to install it of course! lol but I'm not in a huge hurry since the tracks won't be open for maybe 2 more months and most of those would likely be rainy days anyway.

[WDRacing]

Just install nitrous and only use it if you can't bust into the 10's. Have it activate in 3rd for a 100shot. THAT's 10's or bust

100 should net half a second

[GODCHSR]

True but an extra 100 shot on top of the 400+ HP worth of boost... that's over 500 HP give or take.Maybe 2 passes out of that! hahaha

I mean all the tuning in world can't necessarily keep a rod from bending or bearings from spinning out. lol

I agree though... it would be fun

[GODCHSR]

You know what...If come late Spring I haven't been able to get past 11.5 with a good 60' time, weight reduction and safe amounts of boost... I will buy NitrousOxide.

I'm thinking I should be pushing around 25psi? Maybe more?

[visser003]

Just install nitrous and only use it if you can't bust into the 10's. Have it activate in 3rd for a 100shot. THAT's 10's or bust

100 should net half a second

100shot of nitrous is going to blow your stock motor. Please take a video of the pass if you to spray...I am entertained by exploding motors.

[GODCHSR]

100shot of nitrous is going to blow your stock motor. Please take a video of the pass if you to spray...I am entertained by exploding motors.

Well stock with 25psi of boost perhaps! hehehe100shot on a stock motor (low boost) and tuned properly won't hurt anything

[GODCHSR]

Checked out the clutch today and it's not as grabby as I thought it would be.... hmmm

The pedal sits low to the floor and only takes a small amount of pressure to release the clutch, then the 1-2 inches of release the clutch engages. When it does engage it doesn't really do it harsh either. It is extremely streetable from my experience for 30 seconds this morning. All I did was back it out the garage and back in.

Not saying it's 'wrong' but it feels wrong since from my past experience a racing clutch has been that the pedal was hard to push and jerky on contact.

[WDRacing]

I thought the exact same thing about the SPEC 6 puck I bought a few years ago. Felt just like stock really. It held 20 psi from a T4 though...no idea what power I was making but it was well over 350 I'm sure of that. When boost came on if I wasn't pointed straight I was soon going the opposite direction

[GODCHSR]

Awesome! Thanks again WD!Tomorrow I should have the shifter put back in and I'm gonna try and drive it to work unless we get more snow. The roads are clear now but any moisture out and I'm taking the Jeep.

BTW all the Megan suspension arms came in the other day. They are pretty stout and fully adjustable so I'm stoked about that too

[GODCHSR]

Suspension feels really good.

Not sure what the big deal about the clutch is though.?.?.? It doesn't feel unstreetable at all. The point of contact is very small compared to stocks but truthfully unless you are reatrded I don't see why this would be considered a non-streetable clutch.Maybe because of longevity???