Got a new car! And sadly, its not in the Nissan Family...a competitor*

[pfarmer]

Ok... Update- if you guys care... I know this is a Gforum.Took delivery I the Tsx and evrything is cool:) lots smoother-with still very stiff sport suspension. Great on gas!-compared to my G.

But other than those remarks... The Acura Els surround sound is absolutely amazing*... Playing the same mp3 cd from my G... First impression: soooooo much clearer-clarity of sound is excellent compared to any car system I've heard-comparable to the harman kardon logic7. Loud enuff with 415watts. Really happy with this system- almost better than my 7.1surround Klipsch home theatre system-which is part of klipsch's reference series.

Just a note for comparison... Like I said- I do hope Infiniti does the switch from Bose to Bang&olufson (like audi has a few yrs ago) before my G lease is up.

Peace:)L

MP3s as a reference? Actually it really means little if they were to go to any other big name as it is simply a name in many cases, the car components provided by whoever..

Perry

[lucidd]

Klipsch Reference - "Reference" is a line of klipsch products- just to clarify...

Mp3-as reference, yes..224kbps or higher is a good standard- especially with today's dsp head units.. What else can be used? Waves format CDs are not any better than mp3. Also, I'd use Lps or sacd or DVD-a if the Bose in my g played any of that! Btw- the Acura els plays DVD-a.

Bigger name? Not bigger- better is the word... After all, Bose is the biggest- 4 billion in net sales last yr.. Harman kardon is less. Bose is overated. Go with any other brand and you'll get better sound. L

[zozoka1212]

The 2010 G plays DVD too. Also don't think the TSX is a competitor for the G. TL is somewhat but they made it so butt ugly I can't even look at it. Just my .02

[pfarmer]

Klipsch Reference - "Reference" is a line of klipsch products- just to clarify...

Mp3-as reference, yes..224kbps or higher is a good standard- especially with today's dsp head units.. What else can be used? Waves format CDs are not any better than mp3. Also, I'd use Lps or sacd or DVD-a if the Bose in my g played any of that! Btw- the Acura els plays DVD-a.

Bigger name? Not bigger- better is the word... After all, Bose is the biggest- 4 billion in net sales last yr.. Harman kardon is less. Bose is overated. Go with any other brand and you'll get better sound. L

The standard is to use a standard, not a compressed music disk of any type.

As far as the reference of Bose and or anything else, basically a marketing tool used to sell cars. A Harman Kardon, Bose, Infiniti, Klipsch, it really doesn't matter, the name is what is licensed, not necessarily the physical system in the vehicle.

Perry

[lucidd]

Yes, it may be true that our Bose systems have other - third party components in place... Like our systems may have clarion speakers (might be some other brand)... But it is still an educated guess that Bose tuned the system. So fine, Bose is a "bad" tuner... With that said- worse than others that were mentioned. L

[Sentientbydesign]

I'm really curious why reference formats, white vs. pink noise, or any of the other technical characteristics need to be compared or debated.

When it comes down to it, a technically "perfect" sound system can still sound horrible. What's important is if the sound is good to the listener.

Unfortunately, this will vary from person to person, but should be within a marketable margin.

[pfarmer]

Yes, it may be true that our Bose systems have other - third party components in place... Like our systems may have clarion speakers (might be some other brand)... But it is still an educated guess that Bose tuned the system. So fine, Bose is a "bad" tuner... With that said- worse than others that were mentioned. L

It is tuned to be accurate, the way tuning should be done. It is all marketing, nothing more.

Perry

[pfarmer]

I'm really curious why reference formats, white vs. pink noise, or any of the other technical characteristics need to be compared or debated.

When it comes down to it, a technically "perfect" sound system can still sound horrible. What's important is if the sound is good to the listener.

Unfortunately, this will vary from person to person, but should be within a marketable margin.

This is where the point about being able to make adjustments to the system falling short. The reason why a system that may be 'perfect' will sound bad to the listener is that it can't be made to sound like the listener expects it to. If one learns to really like a certain song on a particular system it will never be that 'perfect' on anything that can't duplicate it.

Tonight however Pink Floyd was playing on channel 46 and by golly it sounded 'perfect' compressed and all. As soon as I can get another 53 Plymouth the 'House of the Rising Sun' will sound 'perfect' again.

Perry
Modified by pfarmer at 11:04 AM 8/11/2009

[G37 Man]

after reading all of these comments,I feel much better about the Bose system in my G

Not that I felt anything wrong to begin with.

[pfarmer]

after reading all of these comments,I feel much better about the Bose system in my G

Not that I felt anything wrong to begin with.

You should! It sounds fairly good even if it is simply a licensed name placed on a set of components.

Perry

[lucidd]

"What's important is if the sound is good to the listener.

Unfortunately, this will vary from person to person, but should be within a marketable margin."

Well... this has been bose marketing credo since its inception. Although I do agree that sound is quite subjective - especially when each person "hears" differently... bose has taken advantage of this idea - to sell crap to unsuspecting consumer for years.

Just do some research - a simple google search and filter out the BS bose hyper-marketing and the bose bashing... and you'll get some profound facts about their products. -they don't publish specifications of wattage, freq response etc-on any of their lines of speakers- reason: because of the above: sound is subjective... and should not be judged from their specs - but using listening practice. Lets pick on their HT systems for a sec - and I promise to get back on topic...Soo... This is fine - subjective listener experience to judge sound... but - notice the fact that their systems have its own dedicated area of display* --- notice that in all BestBuys. Listen to their system - sounds good right?- well yeah, they are using their *mastered* demo sound disc - with all speakers 2feet from you - sounds good - yeah untill you bring them home and play your own music. Anyways - they are placed away alone in their own area because they do NOT want you to do a comparison to other systems... all other speakers are put together in a room - for listening / comparison purposes.- Note their price point too <overpriced.Then - note that they have major flaws in their newest HT [acoustimass/lifestyle] systems - note: they do not use tweeters. Tweeters do not exist.-period. system only consist of 2inch "woofers" -that cannot produce the lower mids - so the "bass module" is used to help the 2" mids. -lol- seriously - the bass -"subwoofer" to produce the lower mids as well as the lower bass??? talk about cutting corners! - to top that off - this bass module consists of 3 speakers: 5.5" woofers --- when is the last time you've seen any system use 5.5" woofers in a box [low density partical board] to produce bass?? - other than your little $50 computer speakers? --- ... common - this is a system that is marketed as being the best lol - and tops out at $4000 usd.It's a joke...

So back to the G's system... Just some facts:The 2007 G's and up have the studio on wheels Bose:2 tweeters up front2 3" mids3 10" subs2 6.5" mids in rear doors.

Sounds ok on paper.But looking closer: - the rear 6.5" speakers produce little sound that gets to the driver. Leaving the the 3" drivers to produce mids... which is fine - but the lower mids are still missing. - so they decided to use the 10" woofers to produce some of this lacking lower mids + the bass. Sounds familiar? - what a joke.

Anyone notice the messy sounds? - male vocals may sound decent... but turn the system up - and notice that the "s" sounds are too loud - there is too much tweeter - the 3" mids are too small and produce too much higher freq. -SO WHEN the system is turned up, it MAKES the voices have a LISP<<<!.Am I the only one that notices???Furthermore, the tweeters in this system are cheap. Simple, cheap, ... it is unable to produce the high frequencies - so sounds like the crash cymbals and high hats sound like crap. ... -makes these instuments too sharp sounding : which HURTS the ears... hurts and causes listening fatigue::::::: ANYONE FIND THE SAME? And as for the mids: - using 10" woofers to produce the lower mids [high crossover] is just dumb. - cuttting corners of sound. ... .. the 10" subs only can do so much to help the tiny 3" mids. Therefore, muddy mids.

OK... I must be the only one.I know that I'm on a enthusiast forum but I just call it like it is. Not scared to say that my G [I still have one for 1.5yrs-lease] has a s***ty sound system.And that there are MANY MANY better ones avail. I'll say it again...take challenge... go listen to one of your cds in one of the competitor's system. Compare is the only way to know how bad this one is. L

[pfarmer]

"What's important is if the sound is good to the listener.

Unfortunately, this will vary from person to person, but should be within a marketable margin."

Well... this has been bose marketing credo since its inception. Although I do agree that sound is quite subjective - especially when each person "hears" differently... bose has taken advantage of this idea - to sell crap to unsuspecting consumer for years.

Just do some research - a simple google search and filter out the BS bose hyper-marketing and the bose bashing... and you'll get some profound facts about their products. -they don't publish specifications of wattage, freq response etc-on any of their lines of speakers- reason: because of the above: sound is subjective... and should not be judged from their specs - but using listening practice.

So back to the G's system... Just some facts:The 2007 G's and up have the studio on wheels Bose:2 tweeters up front2 3" mids3 10" subs2 6.5" mids in rear doors.

Am I the only one that notices???

OK... I must be the only one.

I noticed right off that in a few areas you are incorrect. It doesn't hurt to get your facts straight. For example they do publish the wattage of their speakers on their website:

201s for example are 120 watts, 301s are 150 watts.

And these are just two of their speakers. Looking at many if not all others give similar results. You will see frequency, wattage, and so on.

For example their MB4 gives a listing of:

Frequency Range40Hz to 300Hz ±3dBSensitivity187dB-SPL @ 1W, 1m (pink noise)Maximum Acoustic Output2110dB-SPL, @ 1m (pink noise)DispersionOmnidirectional at all frequenciesbelow 200HzLong-Term Power Handling3200W continuousImpedance8Ω nominalMechanical SpecificationsDimensions:18.1"D x 10.2"W x 26.7"H(46 cm x 25.9 cm x 67.8 cm)Weight: 45 lb (20 kg)

Some notes:

1Band-limited pink noise is applied to the MB4 speaker and amplified to a level at the loudspeakerterminals corresponding to 1 Watt as referenced to the nominal impedance. The average soundpressure level (dB-SPL) is measured at 1 meter from the speaker in an anechoic environment.2Band-limited pink noise is applied to the MB4 speaker and amplified to a level at the loudspeakerterminals corresponding to the long-term rated power handling of the speaker. The average soundpressure level (dB-SPL) is measured at 1 meter from the speaker in an anechoic environment.3Band-limited noise, meeting the IEC Standard #268-5 is applied to the MB4 speaker and amplifiedto a level at the loudspeaker terminals corresponding to the power handling of the loudspeaker. Theloudspeaker must show no visible damage or measurable loss of performance after 100 hours ofcontinuous testing.

While I really don't care if someone doesn't like the sound, but what I do care about is accuracy in statements as much as accuracy in sound reproduction.

It still comes down to what it comes down to for any car manufacturer, the use of the name Bose, Infinity, Harmon Kardon. Radio Shack, it doesn't matter, it is just the use of a name. As far as small diameter speakers go, smaller speakers do have certain advantages, it is what made the sweet sixteen so popular.

Perry

[lucidd]

Accuracy.Hope you do not correct grammar errors next.

I'll say that - I am accurate - precise - perhaps not so precise.

the MB4 example you have given is very impressive! Congrats! I never thought to look at their "PROFESSIONAL" series line to get specs. LOL... Let me be precise:BOSE DOES NOT GIVE SPECS [Like frequency response or wattage] on their consumer line of products [Like all their Lifestyle, Accoustimass, 3-2-1, Wave radio, VCS, Companion computer speakers etc... list goes on]. Even their flagship - 901 [consumer line] speaker has no published Wattage or Freq. response. ... and yes, their Lifestyle 48 system I mentioned before is a $4000 system... NO SPECS>Let me be precise:If you dig deep enough, you'll find the wattage and freq. response from outside of Bose: - like 3rd party reviews, forums etc... BUT I'm talking about Bose and their specs - they give on their own products. Let me be precise:I'm not saying that by them not giving specs... this means the speaker sounds bad. I'm saying that by them not giving specs: - Consumers cannot make an informed decision - using all resources including listening experience, price, specifications --and most of all, fair comparison to other available speakers models and brands.

Small speakers have limitations < bad lower freq response.Please be accurate and precise: - You're not being clear: what advantages do smaller dia speakers have other than what I've stated before: good mid-high freq response... but.... but bad lower freq. response?

Peace L

[AZhitman]

This thread is awesome, but makes my head hurt.

Bose in my 95 Q45 = awesome.Bose in my 03 G35 = fail.

[pfarmer]

Accuracy.Hope you do not correct grammar errors next.

I'll say that - I am accurate - precise - perhaps not so precise.

the MB4 example you have given is very impressive! Congrats! I never thought to look at their "PROFESSIONAL" series line to get specs. LOL... Let me be precise:BOSE DOES NOT GIVE SPECS [Like frequency response or wattage] on their consumer line of products [Like all their Lifestyle, Accoustimass, 3-2-1, Wave radio, VCS, Companion computer speakers etc... list goes on]. Even their flagship - 901 [consumer line] speaker has no published Wattage or Freq. response. ... and yes, their Lifestyle 48 system I mentioned before is a $4000 system... NO SPECS>Let me be precise:If you dig deep enough, you'll find the wattage and freq. response from outside of Bose: - like 3rd party reviews, forums etc... BUT I'm talking about Bose and their specs - they give on their own products. Let me be precise:I'm not saying that by them not giving specs... this means the speaker sounds bad. I'm saying that by them not giving specs: - Consumers cannot make an informed decision - using all resources including listening experience, price, specifications --and most of all, fair comparison to other available speakers models and brands.

Small speakers have limitations < bad lower freq response.Please be accurate and precise: - You're not being clear: what advantages do smaller dia speakers have other than what I've stated before: good mid-high freq response... but.... but bad lower freq. response?

Peace L

Acoustimass 16:Technical informationSpeaker driver complementCube speaker arrays and center front speaker: two 2.50" (6.35 cm) TwiddlerTM speakers!Powered Acoustimass module: Three 5.25" (13 cm) woofersSystem power ratingU.S./Canada:100-127V 50/60 Hz 400 W!Europe/Australia: 220-240V 50/60 Hz 400 WCompatibilityCompatible with A/V receivers and amplifiers rated from 10 to 200 watts per channel, !rated from 4 to 8 ohmsSpeaker weight/sizeEach cube speaker array and center front speaker: 2.4 lb (1.1 kg)!6.2"H x 3.1"W x 4.0"D !(15.7 cm x 7.8 cm x 10.2 cm)Acoustimass module: 45 lb (20.3 kg)!16.3"H x 8.1"W x 29.1"D !(41.4 cm x 20.6 cm x 73.9 cm)Packed system weightAcoustimass 16 Series II system: 72.5 lb (32.6 kg)!Acoustimass 15 Series III system: 75 lb (33.8 kg)

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Again this information is from their web site. There is a lot of other information regarding Bose speakers from various independent technical review sites using sophisticated test instruments.

There is one area of concern which is the same as I find with nearly everyone else and that is the specificiations don't really include the reference unit of measurement for watts.

In the case of smaller speakers there is an advantage of less distortion by the cone. Long throw speakers avoid this distortion but require very precise attention to the construction of various components including the 'spider'. A popular concept as is the case of the sweet sixteen is multiple smaller speakers often perform much better than a few larger speakers. Less cone distortion plus they tend to support each other by not having the same manufacturing flaws.

Small speakers can easily have the same frequency response (at least for humans) without the distortion inherit in much larger speakers. There are other factors that need to be overcome. Long throws attempt to overcome the volume of air that needs to be moved, but when it comes to dispersion that can become an issue for midrange.

Again it matters little about the name plate on a car's audio system since that is simply purchasing a name for marketing, what matters is how it responds and how it can be tailored to the environment. The biggest issue is one of the system nearly always being an 'all in one' solution. One part fails later on such as the older cd failures and what do you do with the rest? The same you would do with a hondai, replace with something else that just doesn't seem to fit perfectly.

Perry

[lucidd]

Ummm... actually, all other speaker companies give specific Wattage output -rms or max., along with freq responses etc. Unlike the useless info that bose gives - Just compare.

The following specs are from klipsch.com for their quintet HT system:.. And i assure you, Paradigm, Harman Kardon, Yamaha, and Klipsch, ---everyone gives similar spec info -AT LEAST INCLUDING FREQ. RESPONS AND WATTAGE

Specifications

FREQUENCY RESPONSE Satellite: 120Hz-23kHzCenter: 125Hz-23kHzPOWER HANDLING Satellite: 50 watts (200 watts peak) Center: 75 watts (300 watts peak)SENSITIVITY Satellite: [email protected] volts/1 meterCenter: [email protected] volts/1 meterNOMINAL IMPEDANCE 8 ohms compatibleCROSSOVER FREQUENCY Satellite: 2800Hz Center: 2700HzTWEETER One .75" (1.9 cm) neodymium magnet compression driverHIGH FREQUENCY HORN 90(d) x 40(d) Tractrix HornMIDRANGE One 3.5" (8.9 cm) magnetically shielded wooferENCLOSURE TYPE Bass-reflex via rear-firing portDIMENSIONS Satellite: 8.3" (21.1cm) H x 5" (12.7cm) W x 6.3" (16cm) D Center: 5" (12.7cm) H x 12" (30.5cm) W x 6" (15.2cm) DMOUNTING Satellite: Base swivels for on-wall mounting via keyholes Center: Threaded insertWEIGHT Satellite: 3.5 lbs (1.6 kg) Center: 5.5 lbs (2.5 kg)BUILT FROM 2005BUILT UNTIL 2009

[lucidd]

And as for the nameplate... I totally disagree. If a soundsystem's performance is bad - the nameplate takes blame.

Whoever it may be --- in this case, Bose, they shuold not be putting their name on crappy stuff - after all, they do advertise themselves as "Best".... if they are not, then the advertising is false.

L

[pfarmer]

And as for the nameplate... I totally disagree. If a soundsystem's performance is bad - the nameplate takes blame.

Whoever it may be --- in this case, Bose, they shuold not be putting their name on crappy stuff - after all, they do advertise themselves as "Best".... if they are not, then the advertising is false.

L

First off it is not bad, in fact gets good reviews, as good if not better than the majority of other car sound systems. Bose is the number one seller of audio equipment in front of Sony. Everyone advertises as 'Best'. As far as the name plate goes, I think Bose may only be on one of the components in an externally viewed location.

Bose as well as many others make a large amount of their revenue by lending their names out. As long as Bose is one of the leaders they will continue to bring in this cash flow. In your case, who suffered, Bose or Infiniti? You already hate Bose, now you hate Infiniti.

Rather than purchasing an inferior car I would op to fix whatever shortcoming a sound system may have. In this case the head unit would be a problem as it would be on many new cars. On the other hand the rest is relatively easy. Sever the connections to the Bose amp and install either a set of op amp balance to unbalanced convertors or an amp that has op amp based balance to unbalanced built in inputs (avoiding typical inductor based inputs). Now route 3 pairs of replacement wires to each door to replace factory speaker wires. Remove the factory based sub from the rear deck and install a trunk mouted recirc fan. Install new sub wires and wire in either a 5 channel amp minimum or better yet 4 4 channel amps with processors and one sub amp. Install new speakers and you have an upgraded system.

Perry

[pfarmer]

Ummm... actually, all other speaker companies give specific Wattage output -rms or max., along with freq responses etc. Unlike the useless info that bose gives - Just compare.

The following specs are from klipsch.com for their quintet HT system:.. And i assure you, Paradigm, Harman Kardon, Yamaha, and Klipsch, ---everyone gives similar spec info -AT LEAST INCLUDING FREQ. RESPONS AND WATTAGE

Specifications

FREQUENCY RESPONSE Satellite: 120Hz-23kHzCenter: 125Hz-23kHzPOWER HANDLING Satellite: 50 watts (200 watts peak) Center: 75 watts (300 watts peak)

Note in this example the frequency response seems to be missing the key component of how flat it is. The power handling doesn't give the rms rating and maybe not even the peak or peak to peak ratings, rather seems to refer to transient or some phony number. If rms then the peak would be 50 x 1.414 (70.7) , double for peak to peak (141.4). The reason why you don't use a 600 voltmeter to measure 480.

In short the above numbers in your example may as well not be published.

Perry

[lucidd]

what? The specs are missing how flat it is?? Not sure what you are refering to... Sounds like giberish. Ok- then the Bose specs give how flat it is? Or gives peak to peak or rms ratings? Ok- at least it gives the freq response with +-db. Bose gives none. But bode gives it for your mb4 example... Y the difference for the consumer line accoustimass system??? Something smells fishy.

The first numberof wattage refers to continuous power handling. The second is peak- which refers to the short bursts of peak power the speaker can handle. Simple. No bs specs. Not happy with the example- refer to paradigm.com- gives detailed specs on all lime of products.

[lucidd]

and for the record, I do not hate Infiniti. Bose on the other hand- I do.... As for Infiniti- all I'm saying is that it lacks because they went with an inferior brand of sound. There are better. Hate to burst your bubble- but there is better.And remember, I still have my G- and enjoy the other aspects of the vehicle.

Let's put it this way... You may never know what's out there untill you've heard the competition. I've had my G for longer than you have- so the tiresome sound of the Bose system will catch up to u... And one day, you may be listening to your friend's bmw logic7 system and say- hey!sounds soo good;D LOL - as an Infiniti owner, surely you can admit better is better (unlike bmw owners)?

[pfarmer]

what? The specs are missing how flat it is?? Not sure what you are refering to... Sounds like giberish. Ok- then the Bose specs give how flat it is? Or gives peak to peak or rms ratings? Ok- at least it gives the freq response with +-db. Bose gives none. But bode gives it for your mb4 example... Y the difference for the consumer line accoustimass system??? Something smells fishy.

The first numberof wattage refers to continuous power handling. The second is peak- which refers to the short bursts of peak power the speaker can handle. Simple. No bs specs. Not happy with the example- refer to paradigm.com- gives detailed specs on all lime of products.

Where is the +-db in your stated frequency response over the stated range?

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FREQUENCY RESPONSE Satellite: 120Hz-23kHzCenter: 125Hz-23kHzPOWER HANDLING Satellite: 50 watts (200 watts peak) Center: 75 watts (300 watts peak)SENSITIVITY Satellite: [email protected] volts/1 meterCenter: [email protected] volts/1 meter

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Like I stated continuous means nothing unless you are referencing rms and the peak means nothing without a time weighed factor along with rms, peak, or peak to peak. The numbers may as well not be presented.

Oh, as far as Best Buy, was there today in Olytown. All the major manufactures were given their own slots, Bose had the smallest slot.

Perry

[lucidd]

oops... was looking at this one:

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[lucidd]

All from the original sites of manufacturer. - also the last listing is Harman Kardon's HTIB system - similar to bose HTIB.

Anyways... Bose HTIB's like the $4000 lifestyle48 systems --- by obligation, if a store is an authorized dealer, they cannot place the demo unit with other systems. --- it is a requirement.NO other manufacturer does this for their speakers.

Best Buy may have their other HTIB's displayed by itself because it is their perogative to do so... sorta like what they want to do is what they can do. But with their Bose systems - they must have at least one demo unit with the "demo" button -which BOSe made specifically for their Lifestyle system-POP [Point of purchase display]. It is a must -that they have one of these demos ... quite innovative display unit actually - VERY GOOD MARKETING... -bOSE has the best marketing and spends the most $$ to market their products vs. any other speaker manufacturer.

Furthermore - the smaller the display, the more cost effective their marketing - because if they make it a MUST for authorized dealers to have these units, might as well make it small. So it is small because boSe made it so.... --- and guess what, .... those silly twiddler cubes as speakers are NOT very efficient "loudspeakers" --- ... so the smaller the display, THE LOUDER THEY SEEM... like i said, the speakers are placed 2feet away from the listener -.. so the listener is surrounded by 5 of the twiddlers and 3feet away from the "bass module" ---LOL ... not a very good similation - theres no room that small, and noone's gonna put their speakers that close to themselves in any home.LMFAO!@... ... furtherfurthermore, with speakers that close to you... and with the "demo" -locked to their MASTERED soundtrack for demo --- of course the system sounds good -under these strict controlled rules.Great POP display , great marketing , -marketing = fooling the fools to spending way too much$$ for cheap paper drivers with a head unit with a hard drive -and doesnt even play bluray discs.

... Bose, great marketing. Product no so good.... I don't care how much of the G's studio on Wheels system is actually their components. DOESNT MATTER. THEY HAVE THEIR BADGE ON IT, THEY TUNED IT, MARKET IT, THEY SOLD IT TO INFINITI, THEY TAKE THE CREDIT OR BLAME - IF IT SOUNDS GOOD THEY ARE CONGRATULATED ON A JOB WELL DONE... IF IT SOUNDS BAD, THEY TAKE THE BLAME FOR MAKING A s***TY PRODUCT - especially when they marketed this studio on wheels as a "great" product.

Peace,L

[lucidd]

Ok... The G is a great car... we can agree. That's why I got one originally.There is better. But is balanced with great power, great engine sound, very sporty ride -esp if you have the sport pack [07 G sedan], AWESOME BANG FOR BUCK, ergonomic cockpit, cool styling inside and out... list goes on and on... OH and the stick is very short throw!@

cons... : The clutch is hard to actuate properly - but I got use to it, the clutch makes clunky sounds at neutral and idle, NOT so great on gas, ride is not very comfortable -but its a tradeoff when you want great handling... etc.... ....OH and let's not forget the Bs bose system.

...Overall very satisfied with the CAR.But IMHO, -my opinion, it is sacrilege -to put such a sound system in this great car. ... ... A great Japanese built and design car with enthusiasts in mind* --- BUT --- mixed with The Great Corporation -American- MARKETING machine: in this case BOSE. L

[rvolutn]

Guess I am just a little partial to Bose, I actually love the sound system in my G37. It's very clear and can get louder than I am comfortable with while driving. I know there are better aftermarket systems, but as I have a running debate with a friend over HD tv's, I can only see so clearly, and I can only hear so clearly. Beyond that, doesn't really matter. I have a Bose surround sound at home too which I truly love, some people don't like those either. Anyway, I'm sure you'll enjoy your Acura, great quality auto. Good Luck.

[pfarmer]

Guess I am just a little partial to Bose, I actually love the sound system in my G37. It's very clear and can get louder than I am comfortable with while driving. I know there are better aftermarket systems, but as I have a running debate with a friend over HD tv's, I can only see so clearly, and I can only hear so clearly. Beyond that, doesn't really matter. I have a Bose surround sound at home too which I truly love, some people don't like those either. Anyway, I'm sure you'll enjoy your Acura, great quality auto. Good Luck.

I would like to see where all this insider information about Best Buy comes from. but the fact still is so, the Bose branding for Infiniti is Infiniti selling cars, not Boses selling home theatre.

What is a greater sacrilege, putting a particular sound system in a particular car or some othe car manufacturer's drive train components in your car?

Perry

[pfarmer]

oops... was looking at this one:

OverviewSpecificationsSimilar ProductsSpecificationsFREQUENCY RESPONSE 92Hz-20kHz (+-)3dB POWER HANDLING 50 w continuous (200 w peak) or...Paradigm Cinema™ 220 Sensitivity - Room / Anechoic 93 dB / 90 dB Suitable AmplifierPower Range 15 - 110 watts Maximum Input Power† 85 watts or

Harman KardonSPECIFICATIONS: System Frequency Response (–6dB) : 25Hz – 20kHz Satellite Recommended Amplifier Power Range : 10 – 120 watts Center Channel Recommended Amplifier Power Range : 10 – 120 watts

Lets see -6 db, so it only drops in one direction............ In any case not a single one you just listed gives a figure for watts that can be defined per unit. This is actually one of the biggest marketing tricks that pretty much all speaker manufactures play with for marketing hype.

And it still doesn't matter, Bose simply farmed out their name to Infiniti for the purpose of Infiniti selling more autos. What does count is that fairly respected reviewers do like it and more than a few of the purchasers of the vehicles like it as well.

The rest seem to know that where it does fall short, it can easily be improved such as those who are using other sets of tweeters.

I would rather spend a few grand on bringing an audio system up to my expectations rather than speading a score of grands bringing the performance level of a car up to my expectations.

Now just where did Nissan get their electronic components for a certain vehicle in California? Or where did that chassis design come from for a certain compact? Or just maybe where did the entire SUV come from for Honda? Nothing is really what it seems to be.

Let me know how your pink noise test results for the new vehicle turn out measured with a spectrum analyzer.

Perry

[lucidd]

I would like to see where all this insider information about Best Buy comes from. but the fact still is so, the Bose branding for Infiniti is Infiniti selling cars, not Boses selling home theatre.

What is a greater sacrilege, putting a particular sound system in a particular car or some othe car manufacturer's drive train components in your car?

Perry

Insider info? - it's no secret what Bose does. - It's outsider info... apparent by what they do with their marketing and POP. It is just that some see thru the marketing and to the actual product.

"Greater sacrilege putting a a particular sound system in a particular car or some othe car manufacturer's drive train components in your car? " is your question??? UMMM... ummm... What are we discussing? - Why put unnecessary ?'s and statements in_ an already long thread? --- ok --- to answer your question... It depends on the quality and suitability of the third party product installed into "your car". Like an example is having Getrag [spelling] make the G's 6speed manual - and it works well...-JUST LIke in the latest 04?Toyota Supras* with the Getrag 6speed. Was a good transmission -as I heard. Praise from magazines like motor trend, c&d, r&t etc. Nothing wrong with that... and quite frankly, if the G came with a Getrag 6sp ... It would probably be better... instead of all the complaints from both customers and magazines about the actuation and noises.

So - sacrilege it is not - if the 3rd party product is a good one! ... In the case of Bose, like I said, is a bad one in my books = sacrilege.

[lucidd]

Let me know how your pink noise test results for the new vehicle turn out measured with a spectrum analyzer.

Perry

Sure... and Let me know how it goes when you get a chance to audition the competition's sound systems... ... Hope you do - cuz at the least, You'll see the differences. L