G35 Sedan vs Mustang GT

[rn79870]

It's not really about what kind of car you drive that makes you fast, it's about who has the least amount of respect for a dollar bill that makes the car you drive fast.

I have absolutely no respect for a dollar bill...bring on the snake!

Okkkkaaaaaayyyyyy. Here is what they look like from the front (you'll see the back soon nuf.)

[MFL28]

Yes. The g would beat the stang. I bake stangs daily. But the stang can be modified for much less and cost much less to begin with. There is nothing wrong with a mustang. It's a pretty cheap v8, that has an aftermarket that rivals honda civics.

You Bake stangs daily? You are full of it man, I'm sorry. You've got a few boltons on a 260 horse, 260 torque 03 sedan and you bake stangs? Please. Maybe 95-98 Stangs. Nothing personal, but I would run all over your 03 sedan. My buddies 06 sedan did nothing but take a very quick backseat to me. Because I wasn't at the strip and I don't have documentation for it, noone here is going to buy it, but I went back and forth with this guy and it was very apparent to both of us who had the faster car. Now if you had said you can run WITH stangs I might somewhat believe it..but you BAKE them in THAT G35? Come on.

[SVTCOBRA]

You Bake stangs daily? You are full of it man, I'm sorry. You've got a few boltons on a 260 horse, 260 torque 03 sedan and you bake stangs? Please. Maybe 95-98 Stangs. Nothing personal, but I would run all over your 03 sedan. My buddies 06 sedan did nothing but take a very quick backseat to me. Because I wasn't at the strip and I don't have documentation for it, noone here is going to buy it, but I went back and forth with this guy and it was very apparent to both of us who had the faster car. Now if you had said you can run WITH stangs I might somewhat believe it..but you BAKE them in THAT G35? Come on.

Well, he does have quite a few mods, so he may very well be 'baking' most of the GT's he's come across.

GT's 99 thru 04 had 260 HP w/3.27 gears around 3317 lbs, 05 went to 300 HP w/3.55 gears 3483 lbs

96-98 had around 225 hp 2.73 gears

[goneracin]

Just remember, there is ALWAYS someone faster.....and he's probably driving a MUSTANG!!!

Couldn't of said it better!

You Bake stangs daily? You are full of it man, I'm sorry. You've got a few boltons on a 260 horse, 260 torque 03 sedan and you bake stangs? Please. Maybe 95-98 Stangs. Nothing personal, but I would run all over your 03 sedan. My buddies 06 sedan did nothing but take a very quick backseat to me. Because I wasn't at the strip and I don't have documentation for it, no one here is going to buy it, but I went back and forth with this guy and it was very apparent to both of us who had the faster car. Now if you had said you can run WITH stangs I might somewhat believe it..but you BAKE them in THAT G35? Come on.

Why are you always the victim and everyone else is full of it? Maybe he did, maybe you did, but there is always someone faster. Who are you to say?

P.S my mustangs and my G are all faster than your car. And furthermore, there are plenty of people way faster than my cars. Its an endless cycle.

Have any pics of your ride?

[MFL28]

No I'm not the victim and I don't think everyone is full of it. I just think he is. Nothing against him, I'm sure he's a nice guy. I just don't think he's "baking" Mustangs with his setup. The only true way is to go to the track, as it has been said. But usually you can get a pretty good idea of the outcome based on the cars involved. 95-98 GT's..DOGS..completely useless cars in this racing arena unless extensively modified. HP..yes it's important, but it's not even measurable. HP is simply a calculation based off of torque measurements. As carrol shelby says, horsepower sells cars, torque wins races. An 03 G35 sedan, while a great piece of engineering, and superb HP from 3.5L, simply is at a disadvantage with a roughly 45-50 torque deficit. Yea it Peaks with HP comparable to a mustang, but across the RPM range it cannot put the HP to the wheels that a stang can because of the torque deficit. That is why I simply cannot see him baking 99-04 GT's. With his mods, I can see him running neck and neck with a stock GT, maybe inching out some here and there. But "baking".... just does not add up.

[Minmey15]

No I'm not the victim and I don't think everyone is full of it. I just think he is. Nothing against him, I'm sure he's a nice guy. I just don't think he's "baking" Mustangs with his setup. The only true way is to go to the track, as it has been said. But usually you can get a pretty good idea of the outcome based on the cars involved. 95-98 GT's..DOGS..completely useless cars in this racing arena unless extensively modified. HP..yes it's important, but it's not even measurable. HP is simply a calculation based off of torque measurements. As carrol shelby says, horsepower sells cars, torque wins races. An 03 G35 sedan, while a great piece of engineering, and superb HP from 3.5L, simply is at a disadvantage with a roughly 45-50 torque deficit. Yea it Peaks with HP comparable to a mustang, but across the RPM range it cannot put the HP to the wheels that a stang can because of the torque deficit. That is why I simply cannot see him baking 99-04 GT's. With his mods, I can see him running neck and neck with a stock GT, maybe inching out some here and there. But "baking".... just does not add up.

Just for record, I do like Mustang. I like Corvette better, but I do like Mustang as well.

Do you really believe having torque would win races? Then GTO with Corvette engine would beat most of cars on the road then. Funny, but I thought GTO had slower time than S2000 with puny torque..

A friend of mine have 2000 Mustang GT. He has 03 Cobra motor. He's pushing around 500 RWHP. It's a sweet car! I think my V36 handles better though. And my V36 is stock!

[Sentientbydesign]

Just for record, I do like Mustang. I like Corvette better, but I do like Mustang as well.

Do you really believe having torque would win races? Then GTO with Corvette engine would beat most of cars on the road then. Funny, but I thought GTO had slower time than S2000 with puny torque..

A friend of mine have 2000 Mustang GT. He has 03 Cobra motor. He's pushing around 500 RWHP. It's a sweet car! I think my V36 handles better though. And my V36 is stock!

I used to bake the mid 90s stangs with my automatic I30 (190HP, probably 145 to the wheels).

I think the torque comment is reserved for vehicles that can handle it. If you have cryo axles and super wide slicks, then maybe the torque is worth the race, but if your clutch is slipping so you can begin to apply the torque, then it's too much and the other car will probably win.

All we have to do is get it through 1st, after than we can sit in the upper RPM power band all the way through 6th. There's no need to pull low end torque through every gear.

[MFL28]

An S2000 is faster than a GTO? What are you smoking, man? S2000 could probably dust a GTO in the twisties, but straight line, no way...even if the GTO is ugly and heavy.

You don't need cryo axles and super stickies to handle 310 ft lbs. I feather it a tad at 3K and I'm gone. No spinning here. That is really where the G is going to fall behind. But the torque comes into play beyond 1st gear. 2nd is still a short gear. I definitely noticed a good lunge ahead of the G35 right out of 2nd gear. Now you get into 3rd and 4th where you're in that gear for a much longer time, then yeah it's not really an advantage.

[G_whizz]

I say sell your stang... buy a G... and hang here with us on a regular basis..

FWIW ..To my knowledge... an S2000 will not smoke a GTO.

[SVTCOBRA]

I say sell your stang... buy a G... and hang here with us on a regular basis..

FWIW ..To my knowledge... an S2000 will not smoke a GTO.

yes yes, get a G!!!

Oh, post up pics of your stang before trading.

[goneracin]

How much you asking for it? I might be interested. I could always use another Mustang!

[gwoods]

yes yes, get a G!!!

Oh, post up pics of your stang before trading.

Join us

[nuclearcarnie]

Okkkkaaaaaayyyyyy. Here is what they look like from the front (you'll see the back soon nuf.)

Who lets these mustang yahoo's on the nissan forums anyway...?

Mustang

[nuclearcarnie]

Just remember, there is ALWAYS someone faster.....and he's probably driving a MUSTANG!!!

Ya...blowing oil smoke and pissed off that his girl just rode off with the guy in the G!

[SVTCOBRA]

Who lets these mustang yahoo's on the nissan forums anyway...?

Mustang

HEY!! I resemble that comment!! YAAAAHOOOOOO!!!!!

[goneracin]

Ya...blowing oil smoke and pissed off that his girl just rode off with the guy in the G!

That statement is downright false. Mine doesn't smoke, it drips out by the oil pan ever so slowly and I just leave my girl at home!LOL

[gwoods]

Ya...blowing oil smoke and pissed off that his girl just rode off with the guy in the G!

True story, when I had my Hemi ram I was at the track drag racing (on the motor no nitrous). A 96+ Cobra ends up as my last race of the night. When we move through the line and are next to race the guy in the Cobra kicks his girlfriend out. As she walks past my truck I lean out the window and yell "hey baby there is plenty of room for you in here" . The guy in the Cobra freaks out and starts yelling for her to get back in his #$%^&*( car I won at the tree

[goneracin]

Nice!LOL! Did she get in with you?

[Jacko3]

MFL28:

I love stangs. I also flog them daily with my G-35. Of course my G-35 coupe has a few modifications done to it. No stang so far has flogged me. One came close to it, and I suspect it had other additional modifications beyond the routine stang modifications, and the driver was very good/experienced. As I had earlier siad, I was surprised how easily a Mazda 6 Speed could flog a G-35 Coupe. I am still shaking my head till this day on that experience.

On take off, the stangs could easily edge out the G-35 if a bad driver is in the G-35 coupe. However, the game changes very rapidly on the high end, at higher gears, in favor of the G-35 coupe. Just my experience!

[Minmey15]

An S2000 is faster than a GTO? What are you smoking, man? S2000 could probably dust a GTO in the twisties, but straight line, no way...even if the GTO is ugly and heavy.

You don't need cryo axles and super stickies to handle 310 ft lbs. I feather it a tad at 3K and I'm gone. No spinning here. That is really where the G is going to fall behind. But the torque comes into play beyond 1st gear. 2nd is still a short gear. I definitely noticed a good lunge ahead of the G35 right out of 2nd gear. Now you get into 3rd and 4th where you're in that gear for a much longer time, then yeah it's not really an advantage.

Sorry. I just checked. S2000 does 1/4 miles in 14 seconds while GTO does it in 13.5ish. But GTO has 6.0 liter engine, and don't know the torque, but I'm sure it's over somewhere around 350 while S2000 is 2.2 with 160ish. If your torque theory is right, shouldn't there be more different? And if it's 0.5 second difference, it is a driver's race to me. Do you have any idea what reaction time means?

I had C5 Vette, and had about 300 ft lbs of torque, and I wouldn't say you need to feather anything. I was lauching at 5000, 6000 RPM. You just gotta adjust gas pedal to get traction. Mustang's traction isn't too great though. If you drive G35, then you would know what we mean by good traction. If you can't tell the difference, then I don't know what to say.

Also, you said you cannot beat 07 G35 with 6 speed manual, right? And why is that? I have 08 MT sedan, but mine only has 268 ft lbs of torque. If your theory is right, then you should be able to easily dust 07 and 08 6MT.

[gwoods]

Now you get into 3rd and 4th where you're in that gear for a much longer time, then yeah it's not really an advantage.

You know what your talking about.

So far the only Mustang I have lost to was the 2008 Bullitt. That thing is crazy fast it pulls 4th gear like it pulls 3rd. Probably has a lot to do with the 3.73 gears instead of 3.55. I bet in perfect weather/DA a bullitt could do a very low 13 second 1/4 mile.

Most Hemi rams come with 3.55 gears one of my best mods was 3.92's! A few guys did 4.10's and 4.56's but when you run a power adder with gears that tall you end up shifting into 4th before the end of the 1/4 mile and 4th is an overdrive with tiny tiny clutches. On the street a Hemi Ram with 4.56's wins alot of stop light races!

[gwoods]

Sorry. I just checked. S2000 does 1/4 miles in 14 seconds while GTO does it in 13.5ish. But GTO has 6.0 liter engine, and don't know the torque, but I'm sure it's over somewhere around 350 while S2000 is 2.2 with 160ish. If your torque theory is right, shouldn't there be more different? And if it's 0.5 second difference, it is a driver's race to me. Do you have any idea what reaction time means?

I had C5 Vette, and had about 300 ft lbs of torque, and I wouldn't say you need to feather anything. I was lauching at 5000, 6000 RPM. You just gotta adjust gas pedal to get traction. Mustang's traction isn't too great though. If you drive G35, then you would know what we mean by good traction. If you can't tell the difference, then I don't know what to say.

Also, you said you cannot beat 07 G35 with 6 speed manual, right? And why is that? I have 08 MT sedan, but mine only has 268 ft lbs of torque. If your theory is right, then you should be able to easily dust 07 and 08 6MT.

The 5.7 GTO is a 14 second car I beat them with my Ram a couple times. I've seen a 6.0 GTO loose at the track to a stock RT charger due to poor driving.

Reaction time is the reason street racing is pointless

[SVTCOBRA]

You know what your talking about.

So far the only Mustang I have lost to was the 2008 Bullitt. That thing is crazy fast it pulls 4th gear like it pulls 3rd. Probably has a lot to do with the 3.73 gears instead of 3.55. I bet in perfect weather/DA a bullitt could do a very low 13 second 1/4 mile.

Most Hemi rams come with 3.55 gears one of my best mods was 3.92's! A few guys did 4.10's and 4.56's but when you run a power adder with gears that tall you end up shifting into 4th before the end of the 1/4 mile and 4th is an overdrive with tiny tiny clutches. On the street a Hemi Ram with 4.56's wins alot of stop light races!

most of the older stangs like mine came with 3.27 gears or worse. I believe only lately they went with 3.55s and same in the Mach & Bullit.

[SVTCOBRA]

Reaction time is the reason street racing is pointless

It can be dangerous too, unless you have a big S on your shirt like some of our posters of late.

[rn79870]

Who lets these mustang yahoo's on the nissan forums anyway...?

Mustang

They kicked us out of the Mustang forums because we had Gs. We had no other place to go. The nice thing about having 2 cars - You can drive them back to back and really do a nice comparison, instead of just guessing.

[MFL28]

You know what your talking about.

So far the only Mustang I have lost to was the 2008 Bullitt. That thing is crazy fast it pulls 4th gear like it pulls 3rd. Probably has a lot to do with the 3.73 gears instead of 3.55. I bet in perfect weather/DA a bullitt could do a very low 13 second 1/4 mile.

Most Hemi rams come with 3.55 gears one of my best mods was 3.92's! A few guys did 4.10's and 4.56's but when you run a power adder with gears that tall you end up shifting into 4th before the end of the 1/4 mile and 4th is an overdrive with tiny tiny clutches. On the street a Hemi Ram with 4.56's wins alot of stop light races!

I dont' know if you're being sarcastic and telling me I'm an idiot or you are really saying I know what I'm talking about. 4.56's..now that would be interesting!

[MFL28]

Sorry. I just checked. S2000 does 1/4 miles in 14 seconds while GTO does it in 13.5ish. But GTO has 6.0 liter engine, and don't know the torque, but I'm sure it's over somewhere around 350 while S2000 is 2.2 with 160ish. If your torque theory is right, shouldn't there be more different? And if it's 0.5 second difference, it is a driver's race to me. Do you have any idea what reaction time means?

I had C5 Vette, and had about 300 ft lbs of torque, and I wouldn't say you need to feather anything. I was lauching at 5000, 6000 RPM. You just gotta adjust gas pedal to get traction. Mustang's traction isn't too great though. If you drive G35, then you would know what we mean by good traction. If you can't tell the difference, then I don't know what to say.

Also, you said you cannot beat 07 G35 with 6 speed manual, right? And why is that? I have 08 MT sedan, but mine only has 268 ft lbs of torque. If your theory is right, then you should be able to easily dust 07 and 08 6MT.

Well...I never said it's whoever has more torque is the automatic winner. rewind back to the tractor comment someone made. A tractor has way way more torque than my mustang, but is it going to win in a race? No. A tractor is engineered to produce gobs of torque at low rpms to extend engine life. My torque comparison was between my stang and my friend's 06 sedan. If you remember, I determined our motors had approx the same peak HP, but he had a pretty good torque deficit, which is why I observed several times me pulling on him in 1st and 2nd. Your 08 would have 26 more HP than this guy's G35, plus you have a MT, which I think would be in your favor. Are you THAT much faster than my friend? No, I don't think so, but enough so that you would edge me out I believe, given the HP advantage.

do I think I have great traction in my stang? No, not especially great, but it is controllable. Is the G35 more efficient at getting the power to the pavement (stock for stock)? I don't doubt that. takes some money to get the stang where you can really rip it. drag radials, some 4.10's, trac loc, and some suspension upgrades. a stang is suddenly a pretty mean contendor with those mods.

[goneracin]

MFL28, what mods have you done to your car so far?(still waiting for pics too)

[MFL28]

ram air intake, catback, midpipe, pulleys, throttle body, short shifter.

[rn79870]

I dont' know if you're being sarcastic and telling me I'm an idiot or you are really saying I know what I'm talking about. 4.56's..now that would be interesting!

Jeff (Gwoods) isn't a sarcastic person. He's pretty much a shoot straight, call it as it is person. I'm sure he didn't mean anything against you by his comments, and he certainly wouldn't infer any of us were idiots.