EVO VIII or WRX STI

Post by **jEzTeR** » Sun Aug 31, 2003 4:14 pm

What do you think about the 2?

Just wanted to get some opinions from some people on the board abiout the two cars and which you would get if you had the choice.

I priced the EVO about 2K cheeper than the STI.

Post by **trpower7** » Sun Aug 31, 2003 4:14 pm

EVO, I think it has more of a sleeper feel, at least for the moment. Everyone knows a WRX is going to be fast, a lot of the less educated think "oh another pitiful little Lancer".

Website · Post by **TurboKA37** » Sun Aug 31, 2003 4:14 pm

id take the EVO. ive always liked the styling better, they are cheaper, the performance is so identicle it would be determined by the driver skill. plus the STI doesnt even come with a stereo system

Post by **PalmerWMD** » Sun Aug 31, 2003 4:14 pm

The STi has an extra 25% of displacement...making it a lower stressed engine that could eitehr a) Up the boost for more power then tehre is bigger powerdifferece between the 2 or b) leave same and expect greater longevity.

Fred...

Post by **240sxwanttobe** » Sun Aug 31, 2003 4:14 pm

the WRX would be chosen by me,cuz its a car that u cant forget when u ride in it....its so fast even in stock,that noone will ever rev when they pull up next to you cuz its just a waste of time..even when a porsche tries to it fails by .2 seconds in the quarter mile....so the wrx all the way!!!!!!!!!!!:icesangel

Post by **OneFastStanza** » Sun Aug 31, 2003 4:14 pm

I personally like the EVO more mostly cause it has not been proven that the STi is worth 2K more than the EVO IMHO. Theh EVO is plenty fast and handles like a beast but I have yet to see a Sti out on the AutoX course either so...

Post by **UncleBen** » Sun Aug 31, 2003 4:14 pm

For me this is a very tough choice. I love both cars. Sometimes I like the styling of the STi better, sometimes the Evo. But, right now I'm feeling the STi. No reason really, I just love it.

Post by **JESTER** » Sun Aug 31, 2003 4:14 pm

No choice for me. WRX STi I like the evo and all, but it is not a Subaru.

I put a certain quality level with the Subaru. But, I read in car and driver that the STi didn't have an audio system!?!?!

Post by **jEzTeR** » Sun Aug 31, 2003 4:14 pm

You can add the audio system at an extra charge,but who want to listen to music with that bad azz motor sound.LOL

The #'s that I have seen with the STI are low 13's Stock.I have herd (and believe the person that I herd from) about a stock EVO pulling down a 12.8.The last article that I read said that in a streat race the STI pulled hard on the EVO.(streat race + mag article = bad information)I drove both and the STI does seam more powerfull but who knows.

I am torn and with a price tag like this I need to be sure.I may wuss out and just get a 04 WRX and spend a little extra on some nice wheels and tires.

Post by **jEzTeR** » Sun Aug 31, 2003 4:14 pm

Here is a pic of them side by side.(My da/\/\n program wont resize for some reason,so I just croped it.LOL)

Post by **240SX=fun4me!** » Sun Aug 31, 2003 4:14 pm

Jezter, the reason why the STI is slower than the EVO is cuz of the gearbox. The STI has 6 gears which means an extra shift inbetween that the Lancer doesnt have, or so i have heard.

Personally, I loved my previous Subaru Legacy*man did that byotch move!* and the handling was great, so I'd expect that Subaru would be overall a better car in quality as well as engine power. Sorry, I've driven in many cars, but when a 2.2 Legacy Wagon spanks a stock civic, thats something to believe in. =)

Post by **JESTER** » Sun Aug 31, 2003 4:14 pm

I drive my mothers legacy on occasion, and the last time I was getting ready to show a eclipse gs a thing or two. I know they are slow, but hey. I may end up with an older model Imprexa as my next car. The AWD is tempting.

The article I read (i think) was talking the evo getting points for handling, but STi for straight line. But every different mag has different numbers for them.

Post by **Rockenreno** » Sun Aug 31, 2003 4:14 pm

Really you can't go wrong either way, but I've always been an EVO fan

Post by **Slider** » Sun Aug 31, 2003 4:14 pm

Here's an article from SCC: http://www.sportcompactcarweb....ievo/Think what you want of it

For handling I would go with the Evo but for power STi. I also like the STi's looks better. It's all just your priorities. Altough I wouldn't mind an Evo with a Vishnu upgrade...mmmmm.

Post by **nlzmo400r** » Sun Aug 31, 2003 4:14 pm

240sxwanttobe wrote:the WRX would be chosen by me,cuz its a car that u cant forget when u ride in it....its so fast even in stock,that noone will ever rev when they pull up next to you cuz its just a waste of time..even when a porsche tries to it fails by .2 seconds in the quarter mile....so the wrx all the way!!!!!!!!!!!:icesangel

and you would forget you're driving an EVO8?!, and even if a porsche does pull up next to you, and decides he wants to run, that .2 seconds doesnt make a damn bit of difference on teh street, hell even on teh track, its all drive when teh difference is that minimal

Post by **nlzmo400r** » Sun Aug 31, 2003 4:14 pm

jEzTeR wrote:You can add the audio system at an extra charge,but who want to listen to music with that bad azz motor sound.LOL

The #'s that I have seen with the STI are low 13's Stock.I have herd (and believe the person that I herd from) about a stock EVO pulling down a 12.8.The last article that I read said that in a streat race the STI pulled hard on the EVO.(streat race + mag article = bad information)I drove both and the STI does seam more powerfull but who knows.

I am torn and with a price tag like this I need to be sure.I may wuss out and just get a 04 WRX and spend a little extra on some nice wheels and tires.

i must say i have my doubts about a 12.8 for a stock evo, the fastest ive seen was 13.3 in the 1/4, but i guess at the right altitude and temp, it could happen

Post by **nlzmo400r** » Sun Aug 31, 2003 4:14 pm

240SX=fun4me! wrote:Jezter, the reason why the STI is slower than the EVO is cuz of the gearbox. The STI has 6 gears which means an extra shift inbetween that the Lancer doesnt have, or so i have heard.

Personally, I loved my previous Subaru Legacy*man did that byotch move!* and the handling was great, so I'd expect that Subaru would be overall a better car in quality as well as engine power. Sorry, I've driven in many cars, but when a 2.2 Legacy Wagon spanks a stock civic, thats something to believe in. =)

actually in teh 1/4 the STi is quicker becuase of its gearbox, it takes one extra shift than the evo to 6o, so the evo is naturally faster to 6o, but in teh 1/4 the STi comes back because of its shorter gears, it stays in the power band longer

Post by **nlzmo400r** » Sun Aug 31, 2003 4:14 pm

ok, heres some numbers on both the cars, instead of all these opinions about which is faster, heres the truth:evo8: 13.53@ 1o1.86mph 5spd STi: 13.36@ 1o2.56mph 6spdmy personal opinion as to which id own, id get the STi, i want the displacement, its easier to play with more power down the line

Post by **K1LLA916K** » Sun Aug 31, 2003 4:14 pm

hmm i went down to the subaru dealer today n popped the hood of a sti. very nice. although i kinda dislike the bigazz hoodscoop and the position on the turbo, i would still take it. evos are very nice as well from what i have seen on the road. in my opinion, looks and price are better on the evo but if u wud rather take a manlier car then i would go subaru. besides, the 300 hp 300tq 2.5 liter is more appealing to me.

Post by **Bubba1** » Sun Aug 31, 2003 4:14 pm

long term ownership, I think the Sube might give you fewer problems based on the marque's overall reliability record. Research the reliability records of their lower models, Lancer vs WRX or 2.5rs. I can't imagine the STi and EVO will vary much from the rest of their product lines.

Performance and handling, too close to call. Both should be wonderful.

For use on the track. I think the EVO might be a little more fun as it's a little less refined, but both should be awesome.

For daily street use. Sube may have a slight adantage. EVO is a less compromising beast: no cruise control , not as many creature comforts as the Sube. You may not think the little things are important until you go on a long trip. Though the EVO's front Recaro's made a very good impression on me.

Looks: toss up. EVO has a bit sleeker nose, but the scoops-everywhere look, though aggressive, is not attractive to me, It's also surprisingly tall looking car. The Sube is very WRX like, except for that ugly tall hood scoop. So I think the Evo will stand out a little more. That may be good or bad depending on your view.

Price: more close than you think. Sube has more convenience stuff so you won't have to pay to get them added later to the EVO. I think price is too close to be an issue

Recommendation: If this was my primary haul the family around and long trip but also to have fun vehicle. I think I'd lean more toward the Sube. But if it's my local play vehicle, I might be drawn more to the EVO. Tough choice but I think you'd be happy with either.

Another thought is to spend $3000 more and get a G35. Attractive and fast.

Good luck

Post by **jEzTeR** » Sun Aug 31, 2003 4:14 pm

Rob I have a video of the EVO running 12.48 @ 111.48.I have 3 videos of it on the same day 5/30/03 all are in the 12's.This is the one that I was told about.I have not seen anything out of the STI on the track but I am asking around on a STI board.

I am not looking for a daily driver,just something with sick performance that I can play with.I like the auto X and the 1/4 and 1/8 track.

No one said anything about the DCCD on the STI.Do you think that it is just a toy that you would never use.The article in Import Tuner stated that it was a big help on the auto-x and some help on the dirt course but didn't do any good at the dragstrip.

I need a car that is something special not that the G35 is not but it is to much of a production car.No to mention the pricing that I got on the coupe w/ 6-speed and Brembos was more that 3K more.I also have my heart set on a turbo car.

Post by **UncleBen** » Sun Aug 31, 2003 4:14 pm

Dane, if you are seriously considering getting one of these cars and dont want to make mistake on which one to buy, drive them even more. I know you've driven them both, but go drive them even more. Go stare at them for hours, looking at *every* detail of the cars. Make sure you know these cars inside and out before you decide to buy either one. Make sure you know what you are getting, performance wise and quality wise. We all know they both look great, perform great speed wise and handling wise, and would probably be a great investment, so basically, it comes down to what *you* think is a better car. Which one has a better financing rate? Which one has a better warranty offer? etc etc. Dane, if anything go over Mayhem_j30' house and see if he will let you drive *his* evo, because his is already broken in, so you, if he lets you, could probably drive it alot harder than a brand new one from the dealership. Then, drive Bud's WRX, and then just imagine even more gadgets and more speed and power. Drive them hard and long

Maybe that would help your decision, I dont know.

Post by **nlzmo400r** » Sun Aug 31, 2003 4:14 pm

good points ben, and bubba def made many very true points about these cars, and Dane i understand your want for a more balls to the wall type car than a G35, not to mention the price difference, and man, 12.48!!!!?? thats more than a second faster than what every magazine came up with, thats awesome, what kind of temps was this in, cause taht guy can drive!! are u sure its BONE STOCK? i mean, im just amazed at the time difference , one whole second is a lot to make up, maybe dfferent tires or somthing? Cause we have a guy down here with a red evo8, and he up'd the boost, got an act clutch and full exhaust and h'e running 12.4s

Post by **tinted** » Sun Aug 31, 2003 4:14 pm

Post by **nlzmo400r** » Sun Aug 31, 2003 4:14 pm

he sounds pretty set on a turbo car, and i know dane isnt a big fan of the rotary, not to mention the rx8 isnt really that fast, i mentioned it earlier and he didnt seem too intrigued by it

Post by **PalmerWMD** » Sun Aug 31, 2003 4:14 pm

Remember, with AWD, hard launches are , well hard..on the car that is..

All those number in the mid 13's are accomplished with launches only a sports caer magazine would do.

More realistic numbers achieved by more mainstream magazines are in the ver hi 13's and low 14's for both with the evo a bit slower (mid `14's)A well swapped S13 or S14 has some real chances of beating them especially the Evo in the quarter mile.

Fred..

Post by **tinted** » Sun Aug 31, 2003 4:14 pm

nlzmo400r wrote:he sounds pretty set on a turbo car, and i know dane isnt a big fan of the rotary, not to mention the rx8 isnt really that fast, i mentioned it earlier and he didnt seem too intrigued by it

uh turbo it then :pface

I was refering to the first post though: What would you get?

I think this rotary will be badass. And its a little more economical than a RX7 (fourseats and NA). Also at 27,200 It will be quite affordable in 2-3 years (hopefully)

Post by **jEzTeR** » Sun Aug 31, 2003 4:14 pm

My take on the RX-8.I'm not a big fan of the look of the thing to start with.I do like the door setup and the back seat.The rotary is not a bad motor but it lacks torque.I love torque.When I sold my Big Block Vette the torque is what I missed the most.I am also not to big on Mazda.Not that the RX-8 is not a good car just not for me.

Ben,I will keep thinking and looking and reading till I finally decide what to get.I dont need to abuse Chris or Buds car to know though.LOL I know both care pretty well.

What are some of the opinions on the drive shafts and differential on both cars?

Post by **nlzmo400r** » Sun Aug 31, 2003 4:14 pm

well differentials, the STi has 3 and the evo8 has 2, and actually i hear the drive shaft on both cars are amazingly strong and are made to endure the torture the owners will almost defintely give them, but again, if i had to guess, the STi would be able to take more power/abuse

Post by **nlzmo400r** » Sun Aug 31, 2003 4:14 pm

PalmerWMD wrote:Remember, with AWD, hard launches are , well hard..on the car that is..

All those number in the mid 13's are accomplished with launches only a sports caer magazine would do.

More realistic numbers achieved by more mainstream magazines are in the ver hi 13's and low 14's for both with the evo a bit slower (mid `14's)A well swapped S13 or S14 has some real chances of beating them especially the Evo in the quarter mile.

Fred..

very good points, a friend of mine has a red evo8 (actually his 2nd one, he wrecked his black one

) and when it was stock he was hitting 14.1s in the 1/4 without killing the clutch, another friend of mine has a 35oZ, and stock for stock, unless he launched the evo at 6k or higher, the 35oZ would get him, and everytop end race they've had, the 35oZ takes it as well, thats one thing i like about the 35oZ, you dont have to abuse it AS MUCH to get all the power from her

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