Drop Out Of School = Lose Your License

[IBCoupe]

If the goverment pass the legislation of "no high school-no diver license-, then I'll hope this new law to be not retroactive, otherwise my uncle the firefighter can lose his driving privileges...and he is my preferred uncle, because he visits us very frequently and he is the one who teachs me a lot about science...

What's your first language?

[AZhitman]

Driving is a privilege that is purchased and kept by following the rules and maintaining order, not earned through schooling. This is America, damn it. Quit trying to make this China or whatnot.

Best Dave Post of 2011.

[flohtingPoint]

Lets say that, on rough estimate, 75% of America is filled with morons, leaving 25% for the average to genius level, so already the roads are clogged with idiots. It's probably safe to say that 90% of dropouts are in that moron level, probably border-lining on retarded, leaving 9.9% for dummy to average intelligence and .1% for people you'd actually trust to do anything that requires critical thinking. Getting rid of license privileges for folks that drop out will only effect a very tiny percentage of folks that you'd actually want out there and significantly reduce the number of monstrous dumbasses with their foot on something they could only refer to as the "crash pedal" (which is located right of the "cause traffic jam pedal").

Yes, I know a few people that dropped out of high school that could complete a crossword puzzle, but I also know someone with AIDS that got it via blood transfusion and some people that I served in the military with that had rich parents and didn't discriminate against gay people. My point? These are the exceptions, not the rule.

[themadscientist]

I'm doing it for America.

I would like to discuss this statement. It begs some questions.

1. Who are you to decide what is best for every child your pet legislation would impact?

2. Who are you to decide what is best for America?

3. Where is your data that suggests that this bill would keep more kids in school, and if so that they would obtain any real benefit from staying in a place they do not wish to be?

4. As an educator, don't you take the least pause from the fact that, number one, you have not corrected your hypothesis owing to lack of support which would be a tip of the hat to the scientific method, and two, that you claim to be motivated to help a populace that in its peer group here in this thread has made it quite clear does not agree with you.

This clearly points to this argument being specious and less about real solutions. It may have started that way, but when you began ignoring facts and underplaying the weakness of your position and clinging childlike to you initial idea despite evidence to the contrary it became more about your ego and defending it. That, sir, is not good. That, sir, renders you a dishonest agent. That makes your motivations suspect and your claim to, first, know what is best for America which would award any plan you support similar erroneous merit and, second, make your desires dangerous as they do not serve the common good, just yours.

You are not doing anything for America by supporting this legislation. You are doing it for yourself. That is a low ideal and files you along with every other dictator who claimed to know what was best despite any facts or any civic support. You're very much doing it to our children and I stand in your way, sir. You are misguided and blinded by your own vacuum chamber-grown disjointed idealism. That is not what this country was founded on, not how this country became great, and not what will preserve it into that unknown future.

I suggest the next time you are in the teachers' lounge you seek out a history teacher and have him explain these crucial points to you before you harm people under the auspices of doing "what is best for them."

[AZhitman]

My Dad dropped out of school to join the military. He's now an 82-year-old retired and decorated veteran.

Feel free to go revoke his license. I'll give you his address.

[themadscientist]

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[bigbadberry3]

I'm doing it for America.

I would like to discuss this statement. It begs some questions.

1. Who are you to decide what is best for every child your pet legislation would impact?

2. Who are you to decide what is best for America?

3. Where is your data that suggests that this bill would keep more kids in school, and if so that they would obtain any real benefit from staying in a place they do not wish to be?

4. As an educator, don't you take the least pause from the fact that, number one, you have not corrected your hypothesis owing to lack of support which would be a tip of the hat to the scientific method, and two, that you claim to be motivated to help a populace that in its peer group here in this thread has made it quite clear does not agree with you.

This clearly points to this argument being specious and less about real solutions. It may have started that way, but when you began ignoring facts and underplaying the weakness of your position and clinging childlike to you initial idea despite evidence to the contrary it became more about your ego and defending it. That, sir, is not good. That, sir, renders you a dishonest agent. That makes your motivations suspect and your claim to, first, know what is best for America which would award any plan you support similar erroneous merit and, second, make your desires dangerous as they do not serve the common good, just yours.

You are not doing anything for America by supporting this legislation. You are doing it for yourself. That is a low ideal and files you along with every other dictator who claimed to know what was best despite any facts or any civic support. You're very much doing it to our children and I stand in your way, sir. You are misguided and blinded by your own vacuum chamber-grown disjointed idealism. That is not what this country was founded on, not how this country became great, and not what will preserve it into that unknown future.

I suggest the next time you are in the teachers' lounge you seek out a history teacher and have him explain these crucial points to you before you harm people under the auspices of doing "what is best for them."

Lolz someone took that way too serious there. But since you want some discussion I'll more than respond.

1) I'm an educator, someone who goes to work everyday hoping and trying to improve the lives of the people I engage.

2) I am my own free person. I am allowed to make my own choices. You are the same. So to reiterate "Who are you to decide what is best for America?"

3) I have no data without any initial experiment, but if we give it a shot, maybe it works maybe it doesn't. Can't jump to the conclusion that this won't work.

4) What is wrong with having a difference of opinion and then debating.

Really? I concocted this entire idea just for me to make my job, my being, important? Aww you totally get me. Feel free to scream "you're wrong" because that is what makes America and will continue to make America great.

[bigbadberry3]

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[dre1507]

Dumb idea is, after all, dumb.

Dave says it best:

Driving is a privilege that is purchased and kept by following the rules and maintaining order, not earned through schooling.
This is America, damn it.

[BusyBadger]

Lolz someone took that way too serious there.

Typical response from someone that just got e-reamed hard enough to experience prolapse on the other end of the keyboard. More ironic that earlier in the thread you took the time to post this...

Power=Work/time, Work=Force*Distance

Substitute Force*Distance into the Power equation to get Power=Force*Distance/time

Distance divided by time is also know as Speed.

Substitute Speed for Distance/time in the power equation.

Power= Force*speed.

Force is actually the Net Force acting on the object. I'm going to keep it simple and say that the only force acting on the object is due to gravity (yes I'm omitting a lot of details but will discuss them if you want).

Substitute the force due to gravity on the object back into the Power equation.

Power=Mass*Gravity*Speed*sin(theta)

^The sin(theta) comes from the car being on a hill.

So I've forgotten my original point of this post but the power required to get up the hill is dependent on the speed of the vehicle, the angle of the hill, and the net force acting on the vehicles (which I have omitted some to make the math much simpler).

Or you can use energy which I will simplify that someone going up that hill needed to carry about a speed slightly greater than the square root of 2*gravity*height of the hill.

We do these types of real life problems in class very often. (Not while driving up a hill )

...then you pull a page out of Olbermann's tired playbook and post this...

Way to lead by example, kiddo.

[bigbadberry3]

The degree (physics for real) was posted in response to me be called out as not understanding/knowing basic physics after the proof.

[AZhitman]

I'm actually pretty surprised at BBB's position on this matter, considering what I've come to know of him over the years.

[flohtingPoint]

My Dad dropped out of school to join the military. He's now an 82-year-old retired and decorated veteran.

Feel free to go revoke his license. I'll give you his address.

Greg, being former military, you should know I have the utmost respect for veterans. My opinion is retroactive obviously, as America has changed massively since your pops was slamming lockers.

[Speedy7_7]

You can't be cereal. I don't care if kids learn my way, I only care that somehow they learn and benefit from their education somewhere somehow (outside of the classroom is fine with me which is why I like problem based/real life examples.)

You can't force a student to learn, similar to bringing a horse to a river but you can't make it drink. What I can do is encourage students to want to learn and show them the benefits of acquiring knowledge. If there is an extra stipulation that you can't drive unless you graduate, I'm fine with that because it may cause more students to be involved in the end.

I'm doing it for America.

I am a Cereal Killer, a box of Cinnamon Toast Crunch will not survive.

So you would rather force students to graduate than let them learn on their own? Where does this end? Will it become illegal to purchase a house if you don't go to college? Will the amount of money you can spend on said house be dependent on your level of education? Its a known fact that people with less schooling are more likely to go through bankruptcy or foreclosure.

If the government decides to combat the obesity crisis, with there be a weight limit for legal drivers. "I'm sorry sir, but at 5'9" and 250 lbs, you need to ride a bicycle more than you need to drive."

That is as absurd a proposition as tying the drivers license to formal schooling.

You like problem based real life examples that you write on a white board. "Look kids, stuff you've heard of! Learn it..... LEARN!"

"You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink...... But dammit, we'll keep trying, maybe if we take away its food......hmmmm"

[AZhitman]

^ Bam.