Drop Out Of School = Lose Your License

[krimsonviper]

You, sir, are wrong.

Please correct me as this is what me and my coworkers show. But don't go to the point where you want me to add in the momentum of the exhaust gas and details like such. (I'll gladly add on a constant force due to air resistance but will not do a second order diff eq for high school.)

If you can't figure out that you are wrong, then you wouldn't understand the correction.

You, good sir, are wrong.

[MinisterofDOOM]

Power= Force*speed.

You've got the idea right, but the math wrong. Power is a RATE, which means over time. Power=work/time

Horsepower is a prime example of this. It was originally a measure of the amount of work a horse could do over time. Now it becomes calculable by measuring torque (work, force times distance [rpm]) over by time (since RPM is both distance and time, 5252 stands in as the time constant to correct).

Also remember that speed and velocity are not interchangeable terms. Velocity includes direction. Speed does not. Steering your car left but maintaining speed is still a a change in velocity (acceleration).

Work is force times velocity.
Power is work done over time.

[bigbadberry3]

Power= Force*speed.

You've got the idea right, but the math wrong. Power is a RATE, which means over time. Power=work/time

Horsepower is a prime example of this. It was originally a measure of the amount of work a horse could do over time. Now it becomes calculable by measuring torque (work, force times distance [rpm]) over by time (since RPM is both distance and time, 5252 stands in as the time constant to correct).

Also remember that speed and velocity are not interchangeable terms. Velocity includes direction. Speed does not. Steering your car left but maintaining speed is still a a change in velocity (acceleration).

Work is force times velocity.
Power is work done over time.

Work= Power divided by time, no argument there.

However, if you follow the mathematical proof, you will clearly see that the required power is Force times velocity (remember velocity is itself a rate of change with respect to time.)

Yes I know the difference between velocity and speed very well. When in a car though your speedometer is not a velocity indicator so I used the term one would more inclined to see. I frequently have to correct my students as one is a vector and one is a scalar.

[bigbadberry3]

If you can't figure out that you are wrong, then you wouldn't understand the correction.

You, good sir, are wrong.

Please sir, enlighten me as I do have a BA in physics.

[krimsonviper]

If you can't figure out that you are wrong, then you wouldn't understand the correction.

You, good sir, are wrong.

Please sir, enlighten me as I do have a BA in physics.

If you don't believe me, then please, prove me wrong. You obviously won't believe me even if I do show you your error, so I think it would be best if we cut the chase and have you show me why you think I am wrong.

[bigbadberry3]

If you don't believe me, then please, prove me wrong. You obviously won't believe me even if I do show you your error, so I think it would be best if we cut the chase and have you show me why you think I am wrong.

I already did a mathematical proof. Prove it otherwise or it stands.

[krimsonviper]

If you don't believe me, then please, prove me wrong. You obviously won't believe me even if I do show you your error, so I think it would be best if we cut the chase and have you show me why you think I am wrong.

I already did a mathematical proof. Prove it otherwise or it stands.

And I told you that you're wrong. In fact, this entire thread has proven that you're wrong, and you are still sitting there saying we are wrong. Until you prove us wrong, which all you've done is divert us from our points and given us a new points,

You're wrong!

One more thing, anyone can say they have a bachelors in some sort of education. Prove it, let me see your paperwork.

[bigbadberry3]

Troll is good troll.

[krimsonviper]

Glad you've finally seen where I'm going, and why YOU'RE STILLWRONG!!!

u mad?

[bigbadberry3]

I'm more confused now than ever. Just cause you're trolling doesn't mean I'm wrong and you're right. It just means you're a troll.

I still don't see where I wet wrong mathematically and give me a second to get my paperwork.

[Encryptshun]

If you can't figure out that you are wrong, then you wouldn't understand the correction.

You, good sir, are wrong.

Please sir, enlighten me as I do have a BA in physics.

Don't you mean "BS"?


Edit* Never mind, I guess you *can* get a BA in a science. Huh. That's counterintuitive.

[bigbadberry3]

No no, you're right it is a BS. I never really cared unless the degree makes people call you Doc.

[bigbadberry3]

[AZhitman]

Some of the best drivers in history haven't been incredibly smart, or well-educated.

This thread got off-track when someone erroneously assumed that elementary education is somehow relevant to driving skill.

While withholding licenses from dropouts sounds, on the surface, like a great idea, it's short-sighted and reactionary.

In fact, I'm filing it in the same folder as the whole "drug testing for welfare recipients" idea - Something that sounds brilliant until you really, really think about it (IBcoupe brought a great discussion in the Politics forum about it, and he totally changed my mind - which ain't easy to do).

[krimsonviper]

Still wrong.

[themadscientist]

I'm more confused now than ever.

First thing you've said that I can agree with.

John Travolta, you can't have a license. What, you have a pilot's license too? How did you get that when you obviously do not have a high school physics class to your credit?

[carloslebaron]

This thread is going too far...

For to start, until today, the regulations never require high school to drive a vehicle but only to pass the writing and practic driving test. That is what you need for safe driving of a vehicle, the knowledge of the traffic rules, that's all.

After all, in order to drive a motor vehicle. no one needs to know that an equation is a rare subspecies of the horse, that Cairo is the capital of Lybia, and that Benjamin Franklin is the author of the Magna carta...Sheessss! Wake up people!!!

[Dattebayo]

In fact, I'm filing it in the same folder as the whole "drug testing for welfare recipients" idea - Something that sounds brilliant until you really, really think about it (IBcoupe brought a great discussion in the Politics forum about it, and he totally changed my mind - which ain't easy to do).

Some of us didn't have to think so hard to make that leap tho. It just took someone with the will to explain it in a way you could relate to.

[Dattebayo]

Preventing dropouts from having licenses won't increase graduation rates. If you're not in school, you should be working and should be allowed to have a license like anyone else. Heck, it makes more sense logistically to prevent kids in school from having a license. At least they can ride the school bus.

What about the teenage mom who dropped out? She shouldn't be allowed to drive to babysitter and then to work? Yeah, make her ride the bus (if that's even an option). That'll teach her to stay in school.

I think this whole conversation is a conspiracy to help the bus system actually turn a profit. We have your number now, berry.

[bigbadberry3]

I think this whole conversation is a conspiracy to help the bus system actually turn a profit. We have your number now, berry.

Damnit.

[MinisterofDOOM]

I think this whole conversation is a conspiracy to help the bus system actually turn a profit.

Communism, HOV lanes, and fluoride in drinking water all came from the same evil minds.

[Dattebayo]

Even better, they're currcently building "pay as you go" HOV lanes in VA on I-495. They swear it will help traffic get by quicker... (after slowing it down for 4 years, that is)

[CA18DER]

Bigbadberry3 is basing his opinion from stereotyping.

How do you know that all drop-outs aren't educated in the study of physics, whether they learned it in school or in their spare time?

<<<<<<<<Highly educated person who dropped out after passing the first half of his senior year. I happen to love learning, just got tired of the forced system a few months shy of graduating. People tend to think that a piece of paper with a seal of approval on it means you are smarter than anyone that doesn't have one. Ironic when it comes to which of those people portray ignorance!

anyways... if anyone can breed, why can't anyone drive? Breeding has far more negative effects on the world than driving.

[adanguy]

That really doesn’t make much, or actually any sense to me. If you can afford your car and associated expenses and you are a safe driver, there’s no reason you should be denied the right to drive.

[Dattebayo]

Breeding has far more negative effects on the world than driving.

Wrong. Sometimes, bad driving is the cure for bad breeding.

[Speedy7_7]

Flat Black Ian dropped out of school. He's a mechanic, he's a damn good driver, he is one of the smartest people I know. Sometimes the public school/teenager day-care center isn't right for you. I made it through high school, just simply out of respect for my parents, but I swear to god I have learned more about everything I know outside of a classroom. I can see why Berry is arguing this so adamantly, this is his job, he is right in the middle of forcing kids to learn his way. I don't care what you say Berry, if you think this bill is a good idea then you don't give a damn about one of your students.

I will extrapolate because that was an inflammatory statement. I feel that you could not possibly care about your students if you feel that they need to be sitting in your class to have the right to drive a car. This is not about science, or english, or math. This is about freedom of choice, and though a teenager may not always make the right choice, you feel the need to force every teenager to follow along to the same repetitive drum beat as all the other button-pushing, T.V. addicted, pill addled, good for one thing zombies that fail to think outside of a classroom. You may have yourself convinced that you care about your students, but deep down, if they don't follow your script, their out.

[bigbadberry3]

Flat Black Ian dropped out of school. He's a mechanic, he's a damn good driver, he is one of the smartest people I know. Sometimes the public school/teenager day-care center isn't right for you. I made it through high school, just simply out of respect for my parents, but I swear to god I have learned more about everything I know outside of a classroom. I can see why Berry is arguing this so adamantly, this is his job, he is right in the middle of forcing kids to learn his way. I don't care what you say Berry, if you think this bill is a good idea then you don't give a damn about one of your students.

I will extrapolate because that was an inflammatory statement. I feel that you could not possibly care about your students if you feel that they need to be sitting in your class to have the right to drive a car. This is not about science, or english, or math. This is about freedom of choice, and though a teenager may not always make the right choice, you feel the need to force every teenager to follow along to the same repetitive drum beat as all the other button-pushing, T.V. addicted, pill addled, good for one thing zombies that fail to think outside of a classroom. You may have yourself convinced that you care about your students, but deep down, if they don't follow your script, their out.

You can't be cereal. I don't care if kids learn my way, I only care that somehow they learn and benefit from their education somewhere somehow (outside of the classroom is fine with me which is why I like problem based/real life examples.)

You can't force a student to learn, similar to bringing a horse to a river but you can't make it drink. What I can do is encourage students to want to learn and show them the benefits of acquiring knowledge. If there is an extra stipulation that you can't drive unless you graduate, I'm fine with that because it may cause more students to be involved in the end.

I'm doing it for America.

[Encryptshun]

If getting a driver's license is the reward for graduating from high school, the net result will be similar to what we already have: those who can and want to learn will do well in school and go on to do good things after school. Those who would otherwise drop out will simply coast along doing the bare minimum until they either reach the age of 18 and are required to leave or until their teachers pass them along out of pity and selfishness.

That latter group will still end up driving with the same level of absorbed knowledge (or maybe even less) than they would have if they'd dropped out. You can't force someone to learn. You can only penalize them when they don't.

[Dattebayo]

You can't force someone to learn. You can only penalize them when they don't.

Nothing has physically been taken away, so it's not penalizing them.

Driving is a privilege that is purchased and kept by following the rules and maintaining order, not earned through schooling.
This is America, damn it. Quit trying to make this China or whatnot.

[Encryptshun]

I think you took my comment out of context, Dave. I was only saying that someone who graduates from HS doesn't necessarily know any more than someone who doesn't, because you can't force someone to learn. Therefore it is invalid to assume that someone who graduates knows any more than someone who doesn't.