Colin Powell endorses Obama

[themadscientist]

And you think the dems will do better? A militant liberal legislative branch working hand in hand with a severe leftist president? Yeah, you need to construct an argument.

[Urabus GodofTraction]

Do you have any facts that show the Dems spend more than the Republicans? Since 1968, this has not been the case.

A rapid GIS came up with this graph:

Get a load of that SPIKE at the end... That's the result of a Congress with a very large Democrat majority...

[ishkabibble]

You consider a near 50/50 split in the Senate a "very large" majority? Interesting.

Here's my supporting data, which shows that Repub administrations spend considerably more than Dem administrations:

http://www.libertyunbound.com/....html

[ishkabibble]

List said attacks. We'll go tit-for-tat. Make your list, I'll make mine...

You'll make your list of what?

[smockers83]

If we're dividing up the derivative of that graph to determine who has spent more, clearly the Democrats as they have been in Congress much longer. Other than that, I don't think your graph is conclusive for the argument that I think you're trying to make here. What we really see in that graph is two trends. One trend from 1965-2000, then another trend from 2000-2008. That spike you mention for 2008 is on trend with the period 2000-2008. If we take the whole graph into consideration to try and establish a trend line, I would argue that about 2005 and on is above trend while GOP domination of the Congress during the 1990s and early 2000s is below trend.

[ishkabibble]

And you think the dems will do better? A militant liberal legislative branch working hand in hand with a severe leftist president? Yeah, you need to construct an argument.

Nope. But I do not feel that the Republicans need to be rewarded for their actions of the past 8 years. One of the most incompetent administrations ever, and the politicization of nearly the entire government? "More please!"

Oh, I am sooooo sorry for not having an argument as comprehensive as your troll youtube link.

[themadscientist]

It doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile, winning is winning.

[mcheddadi]

from my outsider perspective:

MEH!

USA is already doomed, recession is imminent. All hail japan as the new GOD

soon we will read "made in USA" under every thing in the world

[themadscientist]

You realize japan's economy is shaky as hell right? We have gone through three prime minisiters in rapid sucession, not good.

[Urabus GodofTraction]

If we're dividing up the derivative of that graph to determine who has spent more, clearly the Democrats as they have been in Congress much longer. Other than that, I don't think your graph is conclusive for the argument that I think you're trying to make here. What we really see in that graph is two trends. One trend from 1965-2000, then another trend from 2000-2008. That spike you mention for 2008 is on trend with the period 2000-2008. If we take the whole graph into consideration to try and establish a trend line, I would argue that about 2005 and on is above trend while GOP domination of the Congress during the 1990s and early 2000s is below trend.

I know, I know it's a terribly sketchy graph and I put almost no effort into it. I'm damn busy trying to polish off this paper on Israeli foreign security policies.

[szh]

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com....aspx

Hmmm ... my opinion of Powell's dropped some more.

First, he was misled into giving his infamous WMD speech to the UN ...

And, now, he is being misled again ... by the other side this time.

Oh, well. I guess I should just be glad he decided to stay out of politics himself.

Z

[Jesda]

Its a big plus for Obama, as it should win over a few undecided voters.

So does Zbigniew Brzezinski as he spoke on Morning Joe this morning

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21...77773

He speaks just as well as Colin Powell

Telcoman

Pretty words!

[HashiriyaS14]

Get a load of that SPIKE at the end... That's the result of a Congress with a very large Democrat majority...

Actually, a big chunk of that is probably the result of the combined effect of the wars and the economic bailout. It doesn't necessarily have much to do with the fact that there's a Democratic majority. Hell, the bailout was proposed by a GOP President, lol.

Both parties spend money, I've never observed that either party is better at cutting spending than the other. It's just a matter of how they pay for it. Dems pay for it with taxes, GOP pays for it with supply-side economics (or, rather, claims to, lol). If you buy into the latter you're probably a Republican, if you don't then you're probably a Democrat.

How much money Congress is spending has a lot more to do with the circumstances of the time than it does with the party in control.

[smockers83]

That spike is something to be looked at a little more closely. I would like to ask why your graph is flat (slope = 0) right when the Dems take control? If there were actually data there, it wouldn't look like a spike for 2008.

[CakeDaddy]

Smart move by Colin Powell. McCain was dead in the water prior to this news, but now................ he has officially sunk. Rush and Hannity will say otherwise, but.... it's all wishful thinking at this point.

You'll see more mindless rhetoric from Palin/McCain up until Nov 4th, but it will be at a lost cause. The same ole Bill Ayers, Jerimiah Wright, Joe Plumber, etc..... yada yada yada will continue to spew from their mouths. People are feed up with these tactics.
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[HashiriyaS14]

You'll see more mindless rhetoric from Palin/McCain up until Nov 4th, but it will be at a lost cause. The same ole Bill Ayers, Jerimiah Wright, Joe Plumber, etc..... yada yada yada will continue spew from their mouths. People are feed up with these tactics.

Yeah, that pretty much sums it up.

The vast majority of American voters don't care about this "character issue" stuff right now, whether it's legitimate or not (I'll leave that up to each person to decide for themselves).

McCain needs a game-changer, and unfortunately for him he's run out of time to create one. His only hope is that somehow one is created for him, like some massive foreign policy debacle.

Of course, with the Powell endorsement, McCain's "monopoly" on foreign policy cred has been slightly undermined.

[CakeDaddy]

The vast majority of American voters don't care about this "character issue" stuff right now, whether it's legitimate or not

Exactly, if I'm at a bar and you tell me that the lady in the short red skirt with hi-heels is promiscuous and loose and she associates with other promiscuous and loose young women...... I might buy her a drink and contribute to her campaign. .

I’m clowning around, but you made a good point. thx

[96Qowner]

We know Obama worked for Ayers and ACORN up until 2002 ...

Do we even know when he first met Powell?

[HashiriyaS14]

We know Obama worked for Ayers and ACORN up until 2002 ...

Do we even know when he first met Powell?

That's great, keep talking about Ayers, ACORN, Wright, and whatever else. No one cares.

Obama and Ayers served together on a board and Ayers most likely did use some of his influence in Chicago politics to introduce Obama to certain people.

The bottom line is that unless someone can produce credible evidence that Obama supports the idea of bombing federal buildings or personally engaged in voting fraud, no one's going to care. Associations ultimately don't matter, only personal involvement matters. He could be golfing buddies with Dennis Kozlowski.....NO ONE CARES.

The McCain campaign has quite obviously realized that reliance on this drivel isn't winning them any votes. They've almost completely stopped talking about it, not preferring to chat about socialism and plumbers and such. Next week it'll be something else.

[Jesda]

It isn't "drivel". If you decided to hang out with ex-nazis who worked at concentration camps you can be damn sure I'd call you out on it, especially if you were running for president.

It would be a large issue in any other election year. The economy makes it less relevant to voters.

[telcoman]

It isn't "drivel". If you decided to hang out with ex-nazis who worked at concentration camps you can be damn sure I'd call you out on it, especially if you were running for president.

It would be a large issue in any other election year. The economy makes it less relevant to voters.

Will you be joining Michele Bachmann in hunting for Un American members of congress?

http://www.startribune.com/pol...7DiUs

Telcoman

[Jesda]

Will you be joining Michele Bachmann in hunting for Un American members of congress?

http://www.startribune.com/pol...7DiUs

Telcoman

No. Why?

You know, I've offered you numerous opportunities for meaningful debate, but you're hell-bent on playing team politics like a rabid hockey fan instead of speaking like a sane person.

You're so lost in your angry agenda that you can't see colors anymore, just black and white.

[96Qowner]

That's great, keep talking about Ayers, ACORN, Wright, and whatever else. No one cares.

And I consider that to be absolutely amazing. Obama supporters don't care, don't know, don't want to know. I find that illuminating.

Obama and Ayers served together on a board and Ayers most likely did use some of his influence in Chicago politics to introduce Obama to certain people.

Unlike most Obama supporters, you know it was far more than that. Ayers raised the money for the Chicago Annenburg Challenge and created the several entities that received the funding. Obama was Chairman and dutifully distributed the funding to Ayers' shadow groups - pure unadulterated graft and fraud. There was absolutely NO effect on the schools. Ayers' groups got $160 million from the CAC under Obama.

The bottom line is that unless someone can produce credible evidence that Obama supports the idea of bombing federal buildings or personally engaged in voting fraud, no one's going to care. Associations ultimately don't matter, only personal involvement matters. He could be golfing buddies with Dennis Kozlowski.....NO ONE CARES.

Unfortunately, you're right. Obama came from a truly ugly past and no one cares.

So, do we know exactly when Obama first met Powell? That's not an "association" is it? If it was, it wouldn't matter, right? If Obama's people aren't folks like Ayers and Wright and Massoud, then just who are they?

For a man who wants to be President, we sure don't know much about where he came from. But yeah, who cares, right?

[ishkabibble]

I would like to ask why your graph is flat (slope = 0) right when the Dems take control? If there were actually data there, it wouldn't look like a spike for 2008.

No "true" budget got passed, and spending levels remained at the previous year's. Known as a "continuing resolution".

[telcoman]

And I consider that to be absolutely amazing. Obama supporters don't care, don't know, don't want to know. I find that illuminating.

Unlike most Obama supporters, you know it was far more than that. Ayers raised the money for the Chicago Annenburg Challenge and created the several entities that received the funding. Obama was Chairman and dutifully distributed the funding to Ayers' shadow groups - pure unadulterated graft and fraud. There was absolutely NO effect on the schools. Ayers' groups got $160 million from the CAC under Obama.

Unfortunately, you're right. Obama came from a truly ugly past and no one cares.

So, do we know exactly when Obama first met Powell? That's not an "association" is it? If it was, it wouldn't matter, right? If Obama's people aren't folks like Ayers and Wright and Massoud, then just who are they?

For a man who wants to be President, we sure don't know much about where he came from. But yeah, who cares, right?

Obama has been fully vetted over the past two years and has answered many times over his relationship with both Ayres and Wright.

Colin Powell answered your question on Meet the Press last Sunday.

The only person that refuses to meet the press is Palin.This is driving many voters to Obama.McCains numbers are dropping daily and the longer he stays on his present course he will not attract any more votes than the ones that continue to support him like yourself.

Telcoman

[ishkabibble]

Palin gets high ratings on SNL, though! Much more important than a candid discussion about her views.

[CakeDaddy]

And I consider that to be absolutely amazing. Obama supporters don't care, don't know, don't want to know. I find that illuminating.

It isn't relevant! McCain's wife was a pain pil abuser, right? Now one cares. It was barely mentioned! Keating 5, right! No one really cares… it was barely mentioned. For them to continue to mention Ayers, J Wright, Joe Plumber, etc…. It's old and doesn't matter. Move on! This McCain campaign has run out of material. When your campaign is repeatedly using a plumbers story to convince voters…… YOU ARE OUT OF IDEAS!

[Jesda]

McCain isn't new to the scene. All of his old scandals and issues, like Cindy's pills, divorcing his sick wife, Keating 5, etc, have all come up in 2000 and in his reelection campaigns for US Senate.

Obama is fresh meat, so its all new.

[audtatious]

It isn't relevant!

To you it's not. To me I find it shocking that someone with such little time in office and with such radical associations is actually close to being our President. If it were the other way around, the Democratic election staff and media would have crushed the Republican candidate into the ground.

Don't fool yourself. There are tons of unanswered questions about Obama and anyone asking them are blocked. Hell, look what they have done to "Joe the Plumber" for asking questions in his own yard in which Obama staff did not like the answer given, they swarmed all over the guy like locusts and tried to bury him. Look at something simple like providing a birth certificate in which it's a simple task to shut people up but they refuse for some reason.

I have a feeling, because of blind-eyed worshipers of Obama, that we may find out the truth a bit too late.

[HashiriyaS14]

It isn't "drivel". If you decided to hang out with ex-nazis who worked at concentration camps you can be damn sure I'd call you out on it, especially if you were running for president.

It would be a large issue in any other election year. The economy makes it less relevant to voters.

I'll agree that his having associated with Ayers was an awful political decision, it definitely looks bad, but I don't think it means that we can credibly believe that Obama supports bombing federal buildings. If he doesn't, I don't think anyone cares. Almost everyone has associations that they wish they didn't have, but that doesn't mean that everyone is out there personally doing or endorsing evil.

As for all the stuff 96Q wrote about Obama "funneling money", no, I have not heard about that. I'd appreciate a credible link for that information.