****Broadfield's New Interior Mods****

[Stripes]

So, how's it feel to be ride of the month?

congrats!

[Ghast]

Ahhhhh

I did not know there was a ride of the month section!

Where do we go to view that?!

Thanks in advance!

One Love,

Ghasty

[Broadfield]

http://www.nicoclub.com/ROTM/rotm-main.shtml

[Drakelee]

BE A UTIFUL!!! I wish I had that kind of time... super huge props

[Ghast]

http://www.nicoclub.com/ROTM/rotm-main.shtml

Whoa awesome!

Congratz bro!

[S13Joe]

I've always loved your car, congrats on your ROTM.

[Stripes]

Hey broadfield I was wondering, are you MECP certified?

[Broadfield]

Nope, I was 15 years ago. It's a joke and means nothing to me. I've seen plenty of installers that are MECP certified and couldn't install their way out of a paper bag. So it gives the customer a false sense of security. When in fact they should be worried that this MECP certified noob installer is going to mess up their $60k Benz.

[Stripes]

Hmmm... I'm looking to go to school for a certification and I found Mobile Technical Training in Jersey. Seemed like the closest thing to what I need in order to get in the line of work I want to do. What would you suggest I should do to get to where i need to be to work for a legit installation and fabrication business? It seems like you need to be certified to get your foot in the door with this stuff.

[Ghast]

I am no Mr.Manhattan but i think you should look into classes at your local community college. See if they have a Electrical class and take it. Then take the level 2 electrical.

I knew nothing about electricity in automotive let alone life.

I am only half way through the level one course and i can tell you every type of electricity (source) how it works, the theory behind it and a bunch of really cool stuff that actually makes you look at electrical bulls*** and not be as scared. (i am always scared to touch electrical stuff)

Books are great but when you have a teacher telling you how to do it while you do it and practice it. And you know the theory behind everything and the "Why" factor. Mix that all together with what you soak up from a book and you are good to go. You don't even have to fudge shizz up in order to learn anything.

Plus you are not paying out the a** for some "Special" school. 300 Bucks for the class, 100 for the book. Lots of hands on and make a few friends to hang with and practice fixing shizz together.

Oh and it does not matter how much electrical shizz i know. Mr.Manhattan will ALWAYS be the mastermind behind my s***.

One Love,

Ghasty

[Stripes]

I've thought of this, and I am going to keep my options open for the time being but I would like to start something very soon. I went to apply at a local shop that does custom interior work to get my foot in the door and they said I have to be certified. So I told myself if that's what I have to do then that's what I'm gonna do. After I did a little research, a MECP certification seemed to be what I needed..... apparently not?Ghast, are you going to get a certification for the class you are taking?

[Drakelee]

Stripes, call your local Vocational Technical school and talk to the electrical and or electronics teacher see if one of them offer the course or if they can point you in the right direction. The vo tech near me gave me a chance to learn a lot of s*** and made me decide to enroll in ITT Tech. I'll ask one of my instructors there and get back to you with a pm.

[Broadfield]

Hmmm... I'm looking to go to school for a certification and I found Mobile Technical Training in Jersey. Seemed like the closest thing to what I need in order to get in the line of work I want to do. What would you suggest I should do to get to where i need to be to work for a legit installation and fabrication business? It seems like you need to be certified to get your foot in the door with this stuff.

You have to remember that some people are just meant to do certain things. I never took classes for the stuff. I have never had an electrical/electronics class. Don't get me wrong, I have three Bachelors degrees in physics, computer science and mathematics. But those don't really apply to what I do for a living. I teach my new installers techniques etc. But some of them will NEVER be able to do highly difficult levels of fabrication no matter how much they try or how much I teach them. I truly believe that schooling is only a very, very small step to installing. It really needs to be hands on. It's kind of like trying to teach someone how to make love..... you just kind of have to figure it out on your own. And some are just better at it than others no matter how much they try.

If I hire a new installer that has no real experience, then I make sure they have a real good work ethic, like learning new things and have lots of common sense.

Now that doesn't mean getting MECP certified or going to Mobile Dynamics school is a total waste of time. Anything could help!

[zerepdivad]

Nope, I was 15 years ago. It's a joke and means nothing to me. I've seen plenty of installers that are MECP certified and couldn't install their way out of a paper bag. So it gives the customer a false sense of security. When in fact they should be worried that this MECP certified noob installer is going to mess up their $60k Benz.

That may be true but i've also personally witnessed guys who thought the same about certification drill screws through gas tanks, and pop airbags with drill batteries. Sure mecp certification probably wouldn't take away the fact of them being incompetent but i'm just saying. I'm sure you do great work as i've seen on here and i'm sure your customers are always happy.

I'm certified but only because it looks good on paper although i did get a bit more knowledge but it didn't make me a better installer by any means. As i do more and more installs then i become a better installer. I also believe that the 12 volt industry needs all the help it can get right now and eventually i'm sure MECP will be looked at the same way that ASE is. And that is a good thing but right now i think it is WAY too easy to obtain which is the reason many installers such as yourself look down upon it, and guys like me who are certified.

Nonetheless love the work you do and although i'm a hatch guy i really like your coupe.

[Broadfield]

You have to realize that I don't look down on installers for being MECP certified..... more power to them. However, I do look down on bad installers..... and some of them just happen to be certified. So that makes the whole certification process lose some credibility.

Plain and simple: Just because an installer is certified, it doesn't automatically make him or her a good installer. Likewise, just because an installer isn't certified, it doesn't automatically make him or her a bad installer.

[zerepdivad]

You have to realize that I don't look down on installers for being MECP certified..... more power to them. However, I do look down on bad installers..... and some of them just happen to be certified. So that makes the whole certification process lose some credibility.

Yeah but there are also many non certified installers who are complete idiots and don't know an accessory wire from an ignition wire. so then wouldn't that give the certification process more credibility? haha i'm just rambling now. I've also seen completely incompetent MECP installers as well who did not even know how to use a multimeter, but i've also been to some shops where their opinion is that MECP is a joke and then i see them using t-taps on remote starts....

Plain and simple: Just because an installer is certified, it doesn't automatically make him or her a good installer. Likewise, just because an installer isn't certified, it doesn't automatically make him or her a bad installer.

I completely 100% agree with that statement.

[Broadfield]

You are missing the point. The whole point to any certification is to prove to a consumer that the person working on his/her vehicle ,TV, refrigerator etc. is qualified without question. MECP falls short in that respect.

[audtatious]

Similar to college grads knowing WTF they are talking about because they have a degree

[Broadfield]

Similar to college grads knowing WTF they are talking about because they have a degree

What the hell are you doing in here? Isn't it past your bedtime?

And yes, I completely agree

[audtatious]

I'm old and have weird sleep patterns

Shouldn't you be asleep so you can be bright-eyed and bushy-tailed tomorrow to work on cars?

BTW, did you ever receive that email I sent you months ago?

[Broadfield]

Yes, I did receive the email. This time of year I am just out of control busy at work. A lot of time I may work 30 days straight. So it may have to wait a little before I can do some write-ups. But I would definitely like to get that done.

[zerepdivad]

You are missing the point. The whole point to any certification is to prove to a consumer that the person working on his/her vehicle ,TV, refrigerator etc. is qualified without question. MECP falls short in that respect.

Well that can be applied to so many other things as well. Just because a cop has a badge doesn't make them a good person, just because someone graduated from college doesn't mean they're more qualified for a job in comparison to a guy who's been doing it for 10 years and is not a graduate, just because a tech is ase/mecp doesn't mean they're any better at their job than the techs at jimbos auto and tire who have been doing it for years, just because someone is A+ certified doesn't mean they know more about computers than the creepy bastard in his basement hacking websites, and just because a teacher fondles a little boy doesn't mean that all teachers are going to do the same and that the whole education system falls short in hiring qualified individuals.

You can't let a few bad seeds ruin the credibility for everyone.i don't even know where i'm going with this

[audtatious]

Yes, I did receive the email. This time of year I am just out of control busy at work. A lot of time I may work 30 days straight. So it may have to wait a little before I can do some write-ups. But I would definitely like to get that done.

Not a problem. Just giving you some additional NICOlove if you want to take advantage of it at some point

[playero_loko]

[QUOTE=Broadfield]

You really need to come up with something difficult for me to do. That will be cake! I'll polish the front plastic on the DCC also so it looks as good as mine.

[QUOTE]

Broadfield,

If i wanted to have this done to my DCC would you be able to tell me if you could do it, and how much you would charge me... i'd like to change the lighting on my DCC to red but im a bit electrically challenged. Can you pleae help... Let me know!

Thanks

[audtatious]

Toby, can you send me a hi-res image of this pic please?



Thanks

[Broadfield]

Well that can be applied to so many other things as well. Just because a cop has a badge doesn't make them a good person, just because someone graduated from college doesn't mean they're more qualified for a job in comparison to a guy who's been doing it for 10 years and is not a graduate, just because a tech is ase/mecp doesn't mean they're any better at their job than the techs at jimbos auto and tire who have been doing it for years, just because someone is A+ certified doesn't mean they know more about computers than the creepy bastard in his basement hacking websites, and just because a teacher fondles a little boy doesn't mean that all teachers are going to do the same and that the whole education system falls short in hiring qualified individuals.

You can't let a few bad seeds ruin the credibility for everyone.i don't even know where i'm going with this

You just proved my point! It's up to the consumer to figure out which shop has the good and bad installers..... and not rely on a shop solely because it has MECP certified installers. Parents shop around for good schools for their kids regardless of the teachers certification at one school compared to another. I think you think I am bashing on certification. I'm merely saying you can't blindly rely on it.

[Broadfield]

Toby, can you send me a hi-res image of this pic please?

Thanks

That's a really old pic before I even had the digital climate control swap. I can take an updated one for you!?! What do you need it for?

[audtatious]

Night shot for ROTM page

Don't question, just do it

[playero_loko]

You really need to come up with something difficult for me to do. That will be cake! I'll polish the front plastic on the DCC also so it looks as good as mine.

If i wanted to have this done to my DCC would you be able to tell me if you could do it, and how much you would charge me... i'd like to change the lighting on my DCC to red but im a bit electrically challenged. Can you pleae help... Let me know

[Broadfield]

Night shot for ROTM page

Don't question, just do it

Yeah I'll get one over to you this weekend. I'll have Kyle come over tonight or tomorrow and shoot a nice updated one. I took that one so it sucks.