Borg Cube vs The Death Star

[dasoupdude]

Discuss.

Defend your position vigorously.

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[MinisterofDOOM]

Death star. Not even a fair match. The cube wouldn't even stand a chance against a super star destroyer.

[Ghostdrifter88]

Death star. Not even a fair match. The cube wouldn't even stand a chance against a super star destroyer.

i agree, 100%Death Star all the way

[Dattebayo]

I think the Death Star is physically much larger than the Cube, so it's not really a contest.

But you failed to mention whether this was the first or second Death Star. By the pic, I assume first...

If it was the second, I'd say the Borg would have no shot period because of the shield generator. But the size really throws things off because they got no force.

[93coupe]

I have no idea what either of these were. I was coming in with hopes of a Borg Warner turbo Cube and some crazy Starion.

[Dittoz7]

Doesn't The DeathStar Have Giant Frekin' Lazor Beams?

[dasoupdude]

I know nothing of star trek and the borg, but don't they have teleporters(?) where they can materialize themselves on board the death star?

I feel sorry for the sucker that finds himself in Palpatine's throne room.

[f1seb]

Looking for some specs on the 2.

Size

Death Star II = 900km

Borg Cube = 3km

Death Star II had a crew of almost half a million combatants, while the Cube some sources say 150k and others say 650k drones....(whatever that means)

The only thing that the Cube had which is cool is that the hull of the ship was regenerative.

And we all know that the Borg can adjust to the firepower of a weapon incrementally. But I guess that one big giant blast from the Death Star would make a quick job of the Borg and they wouldn't have a 2nd chance to adjust as they would be turned to space dust.

Winner = Death Star II

[Dattebayo]

I know nothing of star trek and the borg, but don't they have teleporters(?) where they can materialize themselves on board the death star?

They also have those viral machines that convert others into Borg.

[MinisterofDOOM]

I know nothing of star trek and the borg, but don't they have teleporters(?) where they can materialize themselves on board the death star?

They do. They can also adapt to energy weapons at a very fast rate, so blasters wouldn't be much use for long. But one shot from the deathstar would finish off a cube completely. Of course, if Borg were on the deathstar when the cube was destroyed, they could trying and set up a base there. In First Contact, borg beamed to the Enterprise as it destroyed their sphere and began taking over the enterprise and its crew.

Even if they did manage to get a foothold on the death star, though, the difference in numbers would be pretty insurmountable. Plus, at that point it'd be more like Borg vs Empire, not cube vs death star.

[Dittoz7]

Bunch Of Half Naked Wannbe Robots Working On Broken Sh*t, On A Broke Looking As5 Cube.

[Dattebayo]

Quit using my bandwidth dingus!

[Dittoz7]

Dingus, I've Heard Their Common This Time Of Year.

:p

[BusyBadger]

Borg Cube. Size matters not.

What does matter in this geeky debate is speed. Death Star...laser = speed of light. Everything in the "Star Trek Universe" travels at faster than the speed of light, ie warp speed. The Cube can and would fly faster than the weapons on the Death Star. The Borg (or any other ship of the line) from Trek would simply outrun anything that round Star Wars jalopy would throw at it.

Then there's the extremely limited angle of attack the Death Star has to attack from to consider, the Borg could approach from any angle other than the one the "super laser" faces and the Death Star is helpless.

That shield everyone is mentioning...useless. The Borg adapted to the shields of the Enterprise and cut through them, even taking a core sample of sorts from the hull.

And we're just talking about the Borg here. I'd have prefered to see something along the lines of the Romulans or Klingons with their cloaking devices on roaming about just using their shields as a ram plate on patrolling fighters with the squadron commanders aboard the Death Star wondering why the flight bay is so empty and no one is reporting back.

Resistance is futile.

I have to go now and mow the lawn and clean up the basement (my room) before Mom and Dad get back home.

[MinisterofDOOM]

Ships from both universes can travel at faster than light speeds. But neither of them use it for anything but long distance travel. You don't use warp or transwarp in combat unless you're pursuing someone else going that fast. For fighting a stationary object, warp is useless. It's not like you have time to react to a laser canon firing and warp out of the way.

The cube's weapons would be like mosquitos to the death star. It'd take ages of constant damage to inflict damage worthy of notice.

Doesn't matter how technologically advanced the cube is: it's still an ant attacking an elephant. The Elephant can endure for a long time and only has to get lucky once.

[Dattebayo]

Ships from both universes can travel at faster than light speeds. But neither of them use it for anything but long distance travel. You don't use warp or transwarp in combat unless you're pursuing someone else going that fast. For fighting a stationary object, warp is useless.

What about the Picard maneuver?

[MinisterofDOOM]

That was pre-emptively to confuse, though, not reactively to avoid.

But yeah, I guess if you make passes at faster than light speed, you'd be pretty hard to hit. I don't think impossible, though...as your angle of trajectory versus the death star steepens, the laser bolts will have a slower than light object to fire at (a train can pass you at 80 mph but you can still hit it with a rock if you're facing broadside).

[Rob.Vegan]

Size matters not.

Sure, whatever you say there chief.

Never been a Star Trek fan. Have watched all of one episode (maybe).So I say Death Star

[Dattebayo]

Transwarp has nothing to do with light speed. Quit confusing the issue.

The only way to bring down the death star is from inside, and you've got to admit there is a chance of the Borg being able to exploit that weakness since that's one of their primary battle tactics... They also have no problem with abandoning some of their own to the cause.

And if that doesn't work they could try plan B, to assimilate. But then as you said, it's "Borg vs. Empire" then...

[MinisterofDOOM]

Transwarp has nothing to do with light speed. Quit confusing the issue.

I don't think you can fire at a non-transwarp object from transwarp. Transwarp is like "hyperspace"...you'd be on a different "level" of space from your target.

[Dattebayo]

Picard maneuver was done at warp, not transwarp.

Fixed.

But It's not like you can just appear where you want to in Transwarp. The conduits are fixed in advance because they were constructed, not a natural phenomenon.

lol at the ninja edit...

[93coupe]

I think that the resister actuators on the cube will be far inferior to the star's flux capacitor plasma storage unit. None of this matters though. It all depends on which one is running the SR. Just saying...

[MinisterofDOOM]

I ninja-edit a lot. Trying to say what I mean more clearly.

Not all transwarp is based on conduits, though. The Federation's experiments didn't involve them (and also didn't work). But other species can exceed warp 10 without using conduits.

[BusyBadger]

It's not like you have time to react to a laser canon firing and warp out of the way.

Not exactly, but this singular tactic is close enough to cite - Picard Manuever. There's just a huge technological disparity and Star Wars just happens to be on the lower tech end. The sensors and ingress/egrees speeds available in the Trek universe alone really make this outcome very one-sided and obvious to all but the most strident fanboys.

Example: The Trek ships are scanning objects parsecs (3 ly) away and the Imperials can't even tell that the Millenium Falcon is stuck to them like a tick on dog.

The cube's weapons would be like mosquitos to the death star. It'd take ages of constant damage to inflict damage worthy of notice.

Actually, the Borg don't even need to use the weapons on the Cube. Just transport a few clones through the DS shields and start assimilating stormtroopers. Sure the Borg would lose a few (say three or four) clones before they adapted to the blasters wielded by the troopers but they don't care - they're relentless. It'd be over without the Borg firing any shots. A Borg Death Star, now that's a thought.

Doesn't matter how technologically advanced the cube is: it's still an ant attacking an elephant. The Elephant can endure for a long time and only has to get lucky once.

Funny you say this, that's just what the Imperials thought in the first Star Wars movie and look how well that turned out for them.

Oh yeah, it happened again the the third, it was just a bigger ant.

Maybe the Borg just need to assault the Death Star with a shuttlecraft.

[Dattebayo]

Not exactly, but this singular tactic is close enough to cite - Picard Manuever.

The fail is strong with this one...

[BusyBadger]

The fail is strong with this one...

Get back to us when you understand the intricacies of transwarp drive.

In any case I mentioned the Picard Manuever for sensor comparissons, not as a viable Borg tactic. Like we both said, the DS is something to take down from the inside out.

All these ninja edits are making it hard to keep track of who said what when.

[MinisterofDOOM]

Maybe the Borg just need to assault the Death Star with a shuttlecraft.

There you go. Get in through the armor and you're good. But that's not death star vs borg cube, it's death star vs shuttlecraft. If you want to start throwing other craft into the mix, the Death Star was designed to house star destroyers and tie fighter squadrons. As I said before: the cube isn't even a match for a super star destroyer. Get a fleet of them on it and they're boned.

[raremotive]

For the amount of energy/time that the death star has to charge up. The borg wins.

[numbnuts240]

[MinisterofDOOM]

Let's be clear here: I won. So yeah.